New video poker calculator: just take a photo
I can't post links, hopefully a mod can edit this for me later - it's videopokeranalyzer.com/
Would love your thoughts and feedback! I'm beta launching it today. It supports all the five-credit games (e.g. JoB, Bonus Poker, Deuces Wild) and two extra credit games (Ultimate X and Super Times Pay - I'm working on adding more).
Thanks so much!
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Quote: emmbreilHi folks! I created a video poker calculator that uses your phone's camera instead of manual inputs. Take a photo of any VP hand and within 2-3 seconds the tool will tell you the machine's RTP and the best cards to hold. If you've ever asked yourself "hmm I'm not sure what the best hold is here" or want to quickly analyze a machine's paytable, you'll get a lot out of this.
I can't post links, hopefully a mod can edit this for me later - it's VideoPokerAnalyzer(.)com
Would love your thoughts and feedback! I'm beta launching it today. It supports all the five-credit games (e.g. JoB, Bonus Poker, Deuces Wild) and two extra credit games (Ultimate X and Super Times Pay - I'm working on adding more).
Thanks so much!
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A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: emmbreilHi folks! I created a video poker calculator that uses your phone's camera instead of manual inputs. Take a photo of any VP hand and within 2-3 seconds the tool will tell you the machine's RTP and the best cards to hold. If you've ever asked yourself "hmm I'm not sure what the best hold is here" or want to quickly analyze a machine's paytable, you'll get a lot out of this.
I can't post links, hopefully a mod can edit this for me later - it's VideoPokerAnalyzer(.)com
Would love your thoughts and feedback! I'm beta launching it today. It supports all the five-credit games (e.g. JoB, Bonus Poker, Deuces Wild) and two extra credit games (Ultimate X and Super Times Pay - I'm working on adding more).
Thanks so much!
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A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
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Definitely illegal in Nevada.
Also, is the website the final product, or do you intend to create an actuall iOS and/or Android app for it? Having to take a picture, then download it to a website, is a lot of steps for someone sitting at a VP machine.
If you want to try it yourself but aren't near a casino, there's a button on the homepage that simulates a demo hand, and you can also try taking a photo of a YouTube video online to test it. I'd love to hear everybody's experience with it!Quote: RealizeGamingLove this concept and I'm curious to see it in action. Does anyone have any feedback after using it?
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This is a great question and something I explored a ton before building this thing! Ultimately, the language used in NRS 465.075 states that electronic devices are banned if they're used to gain an advantage over the casino. I (and the lawyer I consulted) would argue that this tool functions identically to having a blackjack strategy card at the table, which casinos allow and often provide for players. You're not taking advantage or winning one over on the casino, all this tool does is allow you to make the best play within the constraints the casino themselves have established.Quote: SOOPOO
A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
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What casinos are trying to prevent with this law (which was written over two decades ago) are card counting machines and people plugging a device/USB into a machine to hack it in some capacity (both of which would allow you to beat the casino/win more than what is expected/gain an advantage). If a machine has a 98% RTP, all this tool does is allow you to meet that RTP. You never exceed the RTP they set and you're working within the constraints they've set, so you're not taking advantage.
In practice, it also functions identically to a manual video poker calculator, or video poker website like Wizard of Odds, if somebody had pulled those sites up while in the middle of a hand (which happens constantly but nobody has been prosecuted for). I just can't imagine a jury finding anybody guilty of a crime here.
Yes! I tested it on a bunch of different card designs. It might fail if you take a photo of some obscure online casino nobody has ever heard of, but in-person it should work without issue.Quote: ThatDonGuyHas this been tested on different styles of cards? Or am I overthinking this and the style used by, say, Game King is pretty much a standard?
Also, is the website the final product, or do you intend to create an actuall iOS and/or Android app for it? Having to take a picture, then download it to a website, is a lot of steps for someone sitting at a VP machine.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean re: a lot of steps? Right now a website is actually less friction than an app! The current process is: visit the website > take a photo using the button provided > get results (total of 5~ seconds). An app would actually be more steps/more friction as you have to download and then open it on each use (I am working on an iOS app though!).
I appreciate you, thank you!Quote: WizardThis is a great idea. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already. I just made the link live.
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This is a great question and something I explored a ton before building this thing! Ultimately, the language used in NRS 465.075 states that electronic devices are banned if they're used to gain an advantage over the casino. I (and the lawyer I consulted) would argue that this tool functions identically to having a blackjack strategy card at the table, which casinos allow and often provide for players. You're not taking advantage or winning one over on the casino, all this tool does is allow you to make the best play within the constraints the casino themselves have established.
What casinos are trying to prevent with this law (which was written over two decades ago) are card counting machines and people plugging a device/USB into a machine to hack it in some capacity (both of which would allow you to beat the casino/win more than what is expected/gain an advantage). If a machine has a 98% RTP, all this tool does is allow you to meet that RTP. You never exceed the RTP they set and you're working within the constraints they've set, so you're not taking advantage.
I am not a lawyer but I am really really not sure about this.
465.075§3 says it's not allowed to have an electronic device that "Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game" and 465.075§4 says it's not allowed to have an electronic device that "Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game".
Also there are very rare VP machines still existing with over 100% RTP (but with extremely complex strategies) - if your website is allowed (I don't think it is), these games could cease to exist :( But that might occur anyways lol.
I really admire what you've done (even though the website design looks very AI-coded) - I had the thought of making a tool like this for table games (to help dealers advise players - as sometimes they ask what to do especially in blackjack) but I believe that casinos wouldn't want this and that it would be illegal to use without permission.. There is already some software that tells casinos how good players are at Video Poker to prevent comp-maxxing, but maybe you can switch sides and make a better software ;)
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Right now a website is actually less friction than an app! The current process is: visit the website > take a photo using the button provided > get results (total of 5~ seconds). An app would actually be more steps/more friction as you have to download and then open it on each use (I am working on an iOS app though!).
I agree completely and this is why I refuse to make apps, only websites. Well, I guess the advantage of applications is that you can use them offline, but I doubt that a casino would have no cellular connection. It's annoying to deal with multiple programming languages, various operating systems, and constantly-updating app store policies. Websites are easier, especially since cross-browser compatibility issues have gone down a lot since the demise of Internet Explorer (I am young but as a teenager I had to spend almost two weeks at work figuring out how to make a website display correctly in IE).
Quote: acesideI’ve tested this tool in a casino. First of all, it works. Second, it is still much slower than a human. It takes about five seconds for my iPhone to generate a strategic decision. Third, I used the tool to play about 30 video poker hands but lost my bankroll of $10. I think an iPhone app should response faster.
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Thank you so much for trying it out!! Ultimately VP is still a -EV game so I can't guarantee you'll make any money lol. I'm sorry and I hope you'll use it again!
I wasn't expecting people to use it for every hand! My initial thought was you'd use it a couple times a night to check if a paytable is fair or for the hands that you're undecided on (e.g common mistakes like how you're supposed to drop two pair if one of the pairs is aces on a Double Bonus game, or an Ultimate X hand where you might want to reach for a flush as the EV for the next hand is much higher, or just wanting to know the math between holding nothing versus keeping an inside straight draw when playing Deuces Wild - I hate this last one!!!).
This is great feedback, knowing people might want to use it more frequently (an app + improving loading times is on my plate!). Thanks again for trying it out. I owe you a beer next time you're in Vegas.
Quote: acesideI used the tool to play about 30 video poker hands but lost my bankroll of $10
Venmo request him for $10 😂
I'm dying lol, glad we were playing quarters and not dollars 😂Quote: harrisVenmo request him for $10 😂Quote: acesideI used the tool to play about 30 video poker hands but lost my bankroll of $10
Quote: emmbreilThis is a great question and something I explored a ton before building this thing! Ultimately, the language used in NRS 465.075 states that electronic devices are banned if they're used to gain an advantage over the casino. I (and the lawyer I consulted) would argue that this tool functions identically to having a blackjack strategy card at the table, which casinos allow and often provide for players. You're not taking advantage or winning one over on the casino, all this tool does is allow you to make the best play within the constraints the casino themselves have established.Quote: SOOPOO
A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
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What casinos are trying to prevent with this law (which was written over two decades ago) are card counting machines and people plugging a device/USB into a machine to hack it in some capacity (both of which would allow you to beat the casino/win more than what is expected/gain an advantage). If a machine has a 98% RTP, all this tool does is allow you to meet that RTP. You never exceed the RTP they set and you're working within the constraints they've set, so you're not taking advantage.
In practice, it also functions identically to a manual video poker calculator, or video poker website like Wizard of Odds, if somebody had pulled those sites up while in the middle of a hand (which happens constantly but nobody has been prosecuted for). I just can't imagine a jury finding anybody guilty of a crime here.
If you can show that people do bring up something like the Wizard's online calculator while playing, then you have a case for selective prosecution. Other than that, you are pushing it legally.
Quote: emmbreilQuote: ThatDonGuyAlso, is the website the final product, or do you intend to create an actuall iOS and/or Android app for it? Having to take a picture, then download it to a website, is a lot of steps for someone sitting at a VP machine.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean re: a lot of steps? Right now a website is actually less friction than an app! The current process is: visit the website > take a photo using the button provided > get results (total of 5~ seconds). An app would actually be more steps/more friction as you have to download and then open it on each use (I am working on an iOS app though!).
Did I misunderstand how it works? I didn't realize you could take the photo directly from the website, which I assume would be open on your phone.
Yes! Visit the site and use it to take a photo of a machine or a YT video of somebody playing, you'll see how it works instantly. There's a 'example' button on the website too which uploads an image for you.Quote: ThatDonGuy
Did I misunderstand how it works? I didn't realize you could take the photo directly from the website, which I assume would be open on your phone.
Quote: emmbreilQuote: acesideI’ve tested this tool in a casino. First of all, it works. Second, it is still much slower than a human. It takes about five seconds for my iPhone to generate a strategic decision. Third, I used the tool to play about 30 video poker hands but lost my bankroll of $10. I think an iPhone app should response faster.
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Thank you so much for trying it out!! Ultimately VP is still a -EV game so I can't guarantee you'll make any money lol. I'm sorry and I hope you'll use it again!
I wasn't expecting people to use it for every hand! My initial thought was you'd use it a couple times a night to check if a paytable is fair or for the hands that you're undecided on (e.g common mistakes like how you're supposed to drop two pair if one of the pairs is aces on a Double Bonus game, or an Ultimate X hand where you might want to reach for a flush as the EV for the next hand is much higher, or just wanting to know the math between holding nothing versus keeping an inside straight draw when playing Deuces Wild - I hate this last one!!!).
This is great feedback, knowing people might want to use it more frequently (an app + improving loading times is on my plate!). Thanks again for trying it out. I owe you a beer next time you're in Vegas.
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I recently tried this tool again. There is something I do not understand in this particular situation, see attached picture.
The #1 pick instruction is “Hold pair of 4s and draw to improve,” which has the highest EV value; however, I do not see any difference to the #3 pick instruction “Hold pair of 4s,” which has a lower EV value. Please help explain.
This could definitely be clearer, as you don't see that additional information unless you tap on the row. I'll work on how this is displayed for an update later this week, but the calculation is correct! Thank you for the feedback!
#1 option is “hold pair of 4s”
#2 option is “hold 4 to a straight”
#3 option is “hold pair of 4s plus one”
Quote: acesideI’ve tested this tool in a casino. First of all, it works. Second, it is still much slower than a human. It takes about five seconds for my iPhone to generate a strategic decision. Third, I used the tool to play about 30 video poker hands but lost my bankroll of $10. I think an iPhone app should respond faster.
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Can I ask why? Using this is clearly a felony. Did you just not think that they would go after you since you were betting so small? I certainly wouldn't risk jail time to test a webpage.
Quote: SkinnyTonyCan I ask why? Using this is clearly a felony. Did you just not think that they would go after you since you were betting so small? I certainly wouldn't risk jail time to test a webpage.
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I also think that anyone sharp enough to defend themselves in case of a kerfuffle doesn't want the hassle and expense.
The tool is probably handy for playthrough online.
The biggest issue in my mind is more that looking up a paper strategy cheat sheet, or a similar document file on a phone, is much faster for someone who has played more than a few hundred hands on a particular variety. If using this app forces you to stop and reduces your losses just by virtue of taking time to aim the photo and get it to calculate the correct hold, then that may be fine for you. For someone who is trying to achieve a certain hands played goal for a session or trip, this is just going to slow down getting to that point, and using a paper cheat sheet takes less than a second, maybe two when trying to confirm something on a key hand.
Quote: harrisIf anyone knows of an actual real-life example of someone getting arrested for looking at video poker strategy online please let me know. I doubt a casino would trespass someone for that unless it was on one of those super-rare 100%+ machines. I get the vibe that VP payouts are getting increasingly bad for the player so it doesn't even matter that much from the casino's perspective.
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A paper strategy is not a device. Strategy cards are allowed.
Pulling up a static strategy on a phone is probably a grey area but probably ok? I would prefer a printout but whatever.
Having a computer calculate the correct play is very clearly over the line. It's not the same as checking a static strategy chart. People have been arrested for using a computer to calculate strategy in real time (like, in blackjack). The fact that the game is different doesn't matter because the law applies to all games.
My fear would not be getting kicked out or trespassed. That's fine; I'd just leave. It would be getting arrested and going to jail. This very clearly violates the device law (which was quoted above; it's quite literally using a device to calculate a strategy).
Getting arrested for something that's -EV would be even worse, somehow. Though lots of progressive VP games return over 100% at times.
Do you have any articles or cases you can link? I wasn't able to find much aside from blackjack players being arrested after being trespassed and then returning to the property at a later date (which is a trespassing charge and not relating to devices/strategy).Quote: SkinnyTony
Having a computer calculate the correct play is very clearly over the line. It's not the same as checking a static strategy chart. People have been arrested for using a computer to calculate strategy in real time (like, in blackjack). The fact that the game is different doesn't matter because the law applies to all games.
My fear would not be getting kicked out or trespassed. That's fine; I'd just leave. It would be getting arrested and going to jail. This very clearly violates the device law (which was quoted above; it's quite literally using a device to calculate a strategy).
Getting arrested for something that's -EV would be even worse, somehow. Though lots of progressive VP games return over 100% at times.
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Quote: emmbreilHi Aceside! If you tap onto the 3rd option, you'll see that there's additional info shown that tells you that if you hold a pair of 4s AND either the 6, 5 or 7, your EV is 0.667x. You would never want to do this, but it is technically the third best option.
This could definitely be clearer, as you don't see that additional information unless you tap on the row. I'll work on how this is displayed for an update later this week, but the calculation is correct! Thank you for the feedback!
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Hey there,
Thanks for the great tool. I had a similar question. Hold 3 to a flush was suggested over two high cards on a hand I had. I've never seen a strategy even consider 3 to a flush. I tried to click on the link for more info but there was none.
Thanks
No sure how to post a screenshot but I just got keep AK suited over keep 4 to an inside straight if 3 high cards are high (TJKA in this case. Maybe ace isn't a high card in this case?)
Hey Calos! Depending on the game, paytable, and what you're holding, you'd be surprised what the actual odds/EV are for a hand now that you can see the percentages. e.g. what you're describing is common in Ultimate X as hitting a flush gives you a 12x multiplier, and/or maybe you were at a machine that had a paytable with a high flush payout. The algorithm is all math-based and updates in real-time based on the game, paytable, and hand. If you have a photo of the hand in question I can give you specifics.Quote: CalosMarcos
Hey there,
Thanks for the great tool. I had a similar question. Hold 3 to a flush was suggested over two high cards on a hand I had. I've never seen a strategy even consider 3 to a flush. I tried to click on the link for more info but there was none.
Thnaks
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For the second part of your question: right now there's no way to click to "learn more" about why a hand is recommended over another. I love the idea but not sure if it's something feasible to implement given how many variations of hands there are.
Thanks for using the app!
I'm playing 9/6 jacks or better. Your webpage says I found a great machine lol. At one point I forgot to switch back to jacks or better and the website caught it before I kept playing the wrong game. So far it's really slick, except for that 3 to a flush. That doesn't appear on any JoB strat tables.
I do have a photo, just don't know how to post it here.
Quote: WizardThis is a great idea. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already. I just made the link live.
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I wrote the same thing in 2009 on my first iPhone using Objective C. The problem was that it only worked on machines with an on-screen pay table and back in the 2000's a lot of video poker had the pay table on the slot glass. Worked for IGT bar machines but my pattern recognition wasn't good enough at the time for the other manufacturers poker games.
Yes, it was deemed illegal to use in Nevada so I never upgraded it or released it.
Quote: emmbreilIf you want to try it yourself but aren't near a casino, there's a button on the homepage that simulates a demo hand, and you can also try taking a photo of a YouTube video online to test it. I'd love to hear everybody's experience with it!Quote: RealizeGamingLove this concept and I'm curious to see it in action. Does anyone have any feedback after using it?
link to original postThis is a great question and something I explored a ton before building this thing! Ultimately, the language used in NRS 465.075 states that electronic devices are banned if they're used to gain an advantage over the casino. I (and the lawyer I consulted) would argue that this tool functions identically to having a blackjack strategy card at the table, which casinos allow and often provide for players. You're not taking advantage or winning one over on the casino, all this tool does is allow you to make the best play within the constraints the casino themselves have established.Quote: SOOPOO
A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
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What casinos are trying to prevent with this law (which was written over two decades ago) are card counting machines and people plugging a device/USB into a machine to hack it in some capacity (both of which would allow you to beat the casino/win more than what is expected/gain an advantage). If a machine has a 98% RTP, all this tool does is allow you to meet that RTP. You never exceed the RTP they set and you're working within the constraints they've set, so you're not taking advantage.
In practice, it also functions identically to a manual video poker calculator, or video poker website like Wizard of Odds, if somebody had pulled those sites up while in the middle of a hand (which happens constantly but nobody has been prosecuted for). I just can't imagine a jury finding anybody guilty of a crime here.Yes! I tested it on a bunch of different card designs. It might fail if you take a photo of some obscure online casino nobody has ever heard of, but in-person it should work without issue.Quote: ThatDonGuyHas this been tested on different styles of cards? Or am I overthinking this and the style used by, say, Game King is pretty much a standard?
Also, is the website the final product, or do you intend to create an actuall iOS and/or Android app for it? Having to take a picture, then download it to a website, is a lot of steps for someone sitting at a VP machine.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean re: a lot of steps? Right now a website is actually less friction than an app! The current process is: visit the website > take a photo using the button provided > get results (total of 5~ seconds). An app would actually be more steps/more friction as you have to download and then open it on each use (I am working on an iOS app though!).I appreciate you, thank you!Quote: WizardThis is a great idea. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already. I just made the link live.
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Just so you know Nevada ruled that you can not use a blackjack strategy card on an electronic device. Basically, electronic devices that assist the player in improving are deemed against the rules.
Does your program work on Ultimate X video poker taking into consideration the different multipliers per hand? If so, I think that is a great feature. I would love to see how the different holds affected the variance based on the multipliers.
Keep the website, emb. Even if it's illegal I'll still be using it and if they give me a hard time about it, you and your lawyer will be there first to know
Quote: DRichQuote: emmbreilIf you want to try it yourself but aren't near a casino, there's a button on the homepage that simulates a demo hand, and you can also try taking a photo of a YouTube video online to test it. I'd love to hear everybody's experience with it!Quote: RealizeGamingLove this concept and I'm curious to see it in action. Does anyone have any feedback after using it?
link to original postThis is a great question and something I explored a ton before building this thing! Ultimately, the language used in NRS 465.075 states that electronic devices are banned if they're used to gain an advantage over the casino. I (and the lawyer I consulted) would argue that this tool functions identically to having a blackjack strategy card at the table, which casinos allow and often provide for players. You're not taking advantage or winning one over on the casino, all this tool does is allow you to make the best play within the constraints the casino themselves have established.Quote: SOOPOO
A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
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What casinos are trying to prevent with this law (which was written over two decades ago) are card counting machines and people plugging a device/USB into a machine to hack it in some capacity (both of which would allow you to beat the casino/win more than what is expected/gain an advantage). If a machine has a 98% RTP, all this tool does is allow you to meet that RTP. You never exceed the RTP they set and you're working within the constraints they've set, so you're not taking advantage.
In practice, it also functions identically to a manual video poker calculator, or video poker website like Wizard of Odds, if somebody had pulled those sites up while in the middle of a hand (which happens constantly but nobody has been prosecuted for). I just can't imagine a jury finding anybody guilty of a crime here.Yes! I tested it on a bunch of different card designs. It might fail if you take a photo of some obscure online casino nobody has ever heard of, but in-person it should work without issue.Quote: ThatDonGuyHas this been tested on different styles of cards? Or am I overthinking this and the style used by, say, Game King is pretty much a standard?
Also, is the website the final product, or do you intend to create an actuall iOS and/or Android app for it? Having to take a picture, then download it to a website, is a lot of steps for someone sitting at a VP machine.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean re: a lot of steps? Right now a website is actually less friction than an app! The current process is: visit the website > take a photo using the button provided > get results (total of 5~ seconds). An app would actually be more steps/more friction as you have to download and then open it on each use (I am working on an iOS app though!).I appreciate you, thank you!Quote: WizardThis is a great idea. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already. I just made the link live.
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Just so you know Nevada ruled that you can not use a blackjack strategy card on an electronic device. Basically, electronic devices that assist the player in improving are deemed against the rules.
Does your program work on Ultimate X video poker taking into consideration the different multipliers per hand? If so, I think that is a great feature. I would love to see how the different holds affected the variance based on the multipliers.
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I don't think this is true. You can sit at a blackjack table with the strategy card they sell at the casino, which is where they also sell video poker strategy cards.
9/6 is fabulous in today's age!Quote: CalosMarcosHey embeed,
I'm playing 9/6 jacks or better. Your webpage says I found a great machine lol. At one point I forgot to switch back to jacks or better and the website caught it before I kept playing the wrong game. So far it's really slick, except for that 3 to a flush. That doesn't appear on any JoB strat tables.
I do have a photo, just don't know how to post it here.
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There's an email you can send the photo to on the "Support" page on the site (the link in the bottom right hand corner). Send it over and I'll take a look!
It does! It supports all 5-coin games, as well as Ultimate X and Super Times Pay (more coming soon). For Ultimate X, the EV takes into account your both your current and expected multipliers (and shows you the breakdown of the calculation). The math for Ultimate X is actually pulled from an academic paper that the Wizard linked on his site (it's insanely complex): /pdf/ultimatex.pdfQuote: DRich
Does your program work on Ultimate X video poker taking into consideration the different multipliers per hand? If so, I think that is a great feature. I would love to see how the different holds affected the variance based on the multipliers.
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Quote: CalosMarcosQuote: DRichQuote: emmbreilIf you want to try it yourself but aren't near a casino, there's a button on the homepage that simulates a demo hand, and you can also try taking a photo of a YouTube video online to test it. I'd love to hear everybody's experience with it!Quote: RealizeGamingLove this concept and I'm curious to see it in action. Does anyone have any feedback after using it?
link to original postThis is a great question and something I explored a ton before building this thing! Ultimately, the language used in NRS 465.075 states that electronic devices are banned if they're used to gain an advantage over the casino. I (and the lawyer I consulted) would argue that this tool functions identically to having a blackjack strategy card at the table, which casinos allow and often provide for players. You're not taking advantage or winning one over on the casino, all this tool does is allow you to make the best play within the constraints the casino themselves have established.Quote: SOOPOO
A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
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What casinos are trying to prevent with this law (which was written over two decades ago) are card counting machines and people plugging a device/USB into a machine to hack it in some capacity (both of which would allow you to beat the casino/win more than what is expected/gain an advantage). If a machine has a 98% RTP, all this tool does is allow you to meet that RTP. You never exceed the RTP they set and you're working within the constraints they've set, so you're not taking advantage.
In practice, it also functions identically to a manual video poker calculator, or video poker website like Wizard of Odds, if somebody had pulled those sites up while in the middle of a hand (which happens constantly but nobody has been prosecuted for). I just can't imagine a jury finding anybody guilty of a crime here.Yes! I tested it on a bunch of different card designs. It might fail if you take a photo of some obscure online casino nobody has ever heard of, but in-person it should work without issue.Quote: ThatDonGuyHas this been tested on different styles of cards? Or am I overthinking this and the style used by, say, Game King is pretty much a standard?
Also, is the website the final product, or do you intend to create an actuall iOS and/or Android app for it? Having to take a picture, then download it to a website, is a lot of steps for someone sitting at a VP machine.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean re: a lot of steps? Right now a website is actually less friction than an app! The current process is: visit the website > take a photo using the button provided > get results (total of 5~ seconds). An app would actually be more steps/more friction as you have to download and then open it on each use (I am working on an iOS app though!).I appreciate you, thank you!Quote: WizardThis is a great idea. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already. I just made the link live.
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Just so you know Nevada ruled that you can not use a blackjack strategy card on an electronic device. Basically, electronic devices that assist the player in improving are deemed against the rules.
Does your program work on Ultimate X video poker taking into consideration the different multipliers per hand? If so, I think that is a great feature. I would love to see how the different holds affected the variance based on the multipliers.
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I don't think this is true. You can sit at a blackjack table with the strategy card they sell at the casino, which is where they also sell video poker strategy cards.
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Yes, you can use a physical card but not one on an electronic device.
There was just a case a few years ago in Nevada where a player playing video poker was arrested for looking up a strategy chart on their phone. It was not even interactive it was just looking at a picture of a strategy chart. I don't know how the case was resolved. I agree, it is ridiculous to not be allowed to look at a strategy chart. Using an interactive device to improve strategy is more complicated.
It is possible the rules in Nevada have changed in the last couple of years, but having worked in casino compliance with the Nevada Gaming Commission for many years it was definitely still illegal four years ago when I retired from that job.
Quote: DRichQuote: CalosMarcosQuote: DRichQuote: emmbreilIf you want to try it yourself but aren't near a casino, there's a button on the homepage that simulates a demo hand, and you can also try taking a photo of a YouTube video online to test it. I'd love to hear everybody's experience with it!Quote: RealizeGamingLove this concept and I'm curious to see it in action. Does anyone have any feedback after using it?
link to original postThis is a great question and something I explored a ton before building this thing! Ultimately, the language used in NRS 465.075 states that electronic devices are banned if they're used to gain an advantage over the casino. I (and the lawyer I consulted) would argue that this tool functions identically to having a blackjack strategy card at the table, which casinos allow and often provide for players. You're not taking advantage or winning one over on the casino, all this tool does is allow you to make the best play within the constraints the casino themselves have established.Quote: SOOPOO
A photo is a nice improvement from manual inputs. Am I correct to assume that this would be against the rules in all land based US casinos?
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What casinos are trying to prevent with this law (which was written over two decades ago) are card counting machines and people plugging a device/USB into a machine to hack it in some capacity (both of which would allow you to beat the casino/win more than what is expected/gain an advantage). If a machine has a 98% RTP, all this tool does is allow you to meet that RTP. You never exceed the RTP they set and you're working within the constraints they've set, so you're not taking advantage.
In practice, it also functions identically to a manual video poker calculator, or video poker website like Wizard of Odds, if somebody had pulled those sites up while in the middle of a hand (which happens constantly but nobody has been prosecuted for). I just can't imagine a jury finding anybody guilty of a crime here.Yes! I tested it on a bunch of different card designs. It might fail if you take a photo of some obscure online casino nobody has ever heard of, but in-person it should work without issue.Quote: ThatDonGuyHas this been tested on different styles of cards? Or am I overthinking this and the style used by, say, Game King is pretty much a standard?
Also, is the website the final product, or do you intend to create an actuall iOS and/or Android app for it? Having to take a picture, then download it to a website, is a lot of steps for someone sitting at a VP machine.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean re: a lot of steps? Right now a website is actually less friction than an app! The current process is: visit the website > take a photo using the button provided > get results (total of 5~ seconds). An app would actually be more steps/more friction as you have to download and then open it on each use (I am working on an iOS app though!).I appreciate you, thank you!Quote: WizardThis is a great idea. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already. I just made the link live.
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Just so you know Nevada ruled that you can not use a blackjack strategy card on an electronic device. Basically, electronic devices that assist the player in improving are deemed against the rules.
Does your program work on Ultimate X video poker taking into consideration the different multipliers per hand? If so, I think that is a great feature. I would love to see how the different holds affected the variance based on the multipliers.
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I don't think this is true. You can sit at a blackjack table with the strategy card they sell at the casino, which is where they also sell video poker strategy cards.
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Yes, you can use a physical card but not one on an electronic device.
There was just a case a few years ago in Nevada where a player playing video poker was arrested for looking up a strategy chart on their phone. It was not even interactive it was just looking at a picture of a strategy chart. I don't know how the case was resolved. I agree, it is ridiculous to not be allowed to look at a strategy chart. Using an interactive device to improve strategy is more complicated.
It is possible the rules in Nevada have changed in the last couple of years, but having worked in casino compliance with the Nevada Gaming Commission for many years it was definitely still illegal four years ago when I retired from that job.
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Oh I see what you're saying. No electronic "devices". So the basic VP strat card they sell at the gift shop is allowed, and you're allowed to take pictures of your royal flush to brag to your friends, but you can't do both of those things, lol. Makes perfect sense to me. I'll let you guys know when I get "caught" doing this, so everybody's on the same page.
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Yes, you can use a physical card but not one on an electronic device.
Everywhere? Two casinos have told me not to use my custom sheets for Down Under and Free Bet blackjack. Fortunately I have a good memory ;)
Are they breaking the rules? This was in California and Minnesota
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It is possible the rules in Nevada have changed in the last couple of years, but having worked in casino compliance with the Nevada Gaming Commission for many years it was definitely still illegal four years ago when I retired from that job.
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That sounds like a really interesting job. Do you have any cool stories of cases you worked on? If you’re allowed to discuss
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That sounds like a really interesting job. Do you have any cool stories of cases you worked on? If you’re allowed to discuss
Really what I did was not that interesting. Lots of paperwork and standing in front of the Nevada Regulators and Commission speaking very formally like the politicians on C-Span. It was very regulated where you had to address people by their proper titles
"I am David XXXXXX Director of Compliance representing XYZ Gaming Company license number 12345678, Esteemed chairman Blukowski, I would like to propose an amendment to NRS xx.xx.xx wherein we all agree that casino attendants can not leave their post to urinate without establishing a formal handover of responsibilities to another licensed agent as defined in NRS xx.xxx.xxxxxx." In my early years I would get nervous walking up to the podium and microphone knowing this was being videotaped or on TV. After the first few times it was just another job.
There is a term called "scofflaw" for people who defiantly and knowingly break a law.
2. If the Nevada Gaming Board has passed a rule, or (heaven help you) if the state legislature has passed a law then getting a lawyer will not help you to avoid adverse consequences for defying the rule/law. Because they are not violating a constitutional right of yours and given that they are duly constituted bodies that are permitted to pass laws and make rules. Its black and white and there is no argument for a lawyer to make in court for your willful defiance of a law or rule.
3. This new video poker calculator you are discussing is almost certainly not viable in a brick and mortar casino.
Quote: CalosMarcosHow come the other guy can post a screenshot? :(
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Quote: billryanCasinos don't have to let you use a strategy card at BJ. I've seen times when a pit boss asked that a card be removed from the table, and I've had numerous pit bosses inspect my homemade cards.
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Sounds like you need better casino. If you live near SoCal or Vegas, I'm happy to recommend.
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Sounds like you need better casino. If you live near SoCal or Vegas, I'm happy to recommend.
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It was in Vegas. El Cortez, Fremont, Vegas Club, Wild West. and the place on Boulder with the funky rules and great country fried steak.
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Sounds like you need better casino. If you live near SoCal or Vegas, I'm happy to recommend.
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It was in Vegas. El Cortez, Fremont, Vegas Club, Wild West. and the place on Boulder with the funky rules and great country fried steak.
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From best to worst (with 9/6 machines) South Point, Orleans, Ellis Island, Oyo are the ones I have photo albums full of video poker hands that I've recently taken pictures of to brag to my friends. There are plenty more, I'm sure. I've literally never been to a casino where anyone has even looked in my direction for having my cell phone out in front of a video poker machine like I do now. Pechanga if you're in SoCal is the only Indian casino worth stepping foot in but it's amazing. Bubble craps and $10 3:2 BJ if you're into that stuff as well.
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Sounds like you need better casino. If you live near SoCal or Vegas, I'm happy to recommend.
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It was in Vegas. El Cortez, Fremont, Vegas Club, Wild West. and the place on Boulder with the funky rules and great country fried steak.
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From best to worst (with 9/6 machines) South Point, Orleans, Ellis Island, Oyo are the ones I have photo albums full of video poker hands that I've recently taken pictures of to brag to my friends. There are plenty more, I'm sure. I've literally never been to a casino where anyone has even looked in my direction for having my cell phone out in front of a video poker machine like I do now. Pechanga if you're in SoCal is the only Indian casino worth stepping foot in but it's amazing. Bubble craps and $10 3:2 BJ if you're into that stuff as well.
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And they all encourage BJ strategy cards. I've given away a dozen to put bosses and dealers who hadn't memorized them or seen the cards yet. I always keep 2 or 3 on me.
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Sounds like you need better casino. If you live near SoCal or Vegas, I'm happy to recommend.
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It was in Vegas. El Cortez, Fremont, Vegas Club, Wild West. and the place on Boulder with the funky rules and great country fried steak.
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I assume you are referring to the Longhorn.
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Sounds like you need better casino. If you live near SoCal or Vegas, I'm happy to recommend.
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It was in Vegas. El Cortez, Fremont, Vegas Club, Wild West. and the place on Boulder with the funky rules and great country fried steak.
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I assume you are referring to the Longhorn.
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Yeah, I couldn't think of the name. The PB there worked at the Vegas Club before. After examing my sheet, He asked me not to keep it on the table.
