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AZDuffman
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January 31st, 2021 at 12:40:34 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

No one should be forced to take the vaccine as long as they all stay away from others. And, if they happen to infect someone they should be held liable.

I wonder if he would be willing to wear a big sign saying, 'I refuse to take the vaccine' and let others deiced if they want him in their places of business or whatever.



"Held liable?" Why and how? If you get infected isn't it your fault for not wearing a mask and taking the vaccine?

Wear a sign? Should we have to ring a bell and yell "UNVACCINATED!" as well?
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January 31st, 2021 at 12:40:51 PM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Or go the opposite way and only do business with holders of a Vaccine Passport/Certificate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/yellow-card-vaccine-passport/2020/12/30/746c0558-40b7-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html



Insert late1930ís-1940ís comparison here...

I hope people get the vaccine of their own will. Iím not for an erosion of a persons right to medical privacy so that a few more people feel comfortable. To travel to another country or perhaps for employment sure, to live general day to day life within the borders f that.
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January 31st, 2021 at 12:44:17 PM permalink
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Quote: TumblingBones

Or go the opposite way and only do business with holders of a Vaccine Passport/Certificate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/yellow-card-vaccine-passport/2020/12/30/746c0558-40b7-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html



Insert late1930ís-1940ís comparison here...



For those who wonder how all that happened they are now living it.
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January 31st, 2021 at 2:00:14 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200



I hope people get the vaccine of their own will. Iím not for an erosion of a persons right to medical privacy so that a few more people feel comfortable. To travel to another country or perhaps for employment sure, to live general day to day life within the borders f that.



I would love to see most employers require a vaccine. If you don't want one that is fine, just find a place to work that doesn't require it.
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January 31st, 2021 at 3:49:38 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

"Held liable?" Why and how? If you get infected isn't it your fault for not wearing a mask and taking the vaccine?

Wear a sign? Should we have to ring a bell and yell "UNVACCINATED!" as well?



Are your posts obtuse on purpose?

YOU KNOW BY NOW that the concept of wearing a mask is to protect others from you, not to protect you from them!
YOU KNOW BY NOW that getting a vaccine does not confer 100% protection.

Given those two facts, your post MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!
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January 31st, 2021 at 3:55:05 PM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Just out of curiosity, as a medical professional would you support an enforced quarantine for somebody deemed a public health risk? Would refusing to be vaccinated for Covid constitute such a risk in your opinion?



That's a tough question. I'll give 3 examples.

1. You have a disease that is fatal 10% of the time and anyone within close contact has a 20% chance of getting it. Yes!
2.. You have a disease that is fatal .5% of the time and anyone in close contact has a 1% chance of getting it. No.
3. You have a disease that is fatal .1% of the time, and anyone in close contact has a .1% chance of getting it. Definitely no.

I think COVID-19 is close to "2" now, and will be closer to "3" after the population is (nearly) entirely vaccinated.
AxelWolf
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January 31st, 2021 at 4:14:43 PM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Or go the opposite way and only do business with holders of a Vaccine Passport/Certificate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/yellow-card-vaccine-passport/2020/12/30/746c0558-40b7-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

And that's fine, however if someone is walking around in public, I should have the information available to me so I can make my own decision to get far away from that person, or interact with them.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
mcallister3200
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January 31st, 2021 at 4:23:05 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: TumblingBones

Or go the opposite way and only do business with holders of a Vaccine Passport/Certificate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/yellow-card-vaccine-passport/2020/12/30/746c0558-40b7-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

And that's fine, however if someone is walking around in public, I should have the information available to me so I can make my own decision to get far away from that person, or interact with them.



You really believe that you should be able to have involuntary access to a portion of another citizens medical history information? This really is the event that erodes the concept of medical privacy isnít it.

For employment or to enter a private business, once the vaccine is available and EASILY ACCESSIBLE to EVERYONE, would be at least semi voluntary.
AZDuffman
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January 31st, 2021 at 4:28:18 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Are your posts obtuse on purpose?

YOU KNOW BY NOW that the concept of wearing a mask is to protect others from you, not to protect you from them!
YOU KNOW BY NOW that getting a vaccine does not confer 100% protection.

Given those two facts, your post MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!



Not being obtuse at all. Making a point. Worded in such a way as to make my point about some of the statements made by the pro-maskers on here. The wording about "yelling unmasked" should be a dead giveaway.

Meanwhile worked a great poker game last night. About 30 people, one woman working the party masked up but nobody else did.
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AxelWolf
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January 31st, 2021 at 4:37:57 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

"Held liable?" Why and how? If you get infected isn't it your fault for not wearing a mask and taking the vaccine?

Wear a sign? Should we have to ring a bell and yell "UNVACCINATED!" as well?

I do not know exactly how effective wearing a mask and social distancing is. If it's 20% effective then it's worth it.

Aside from that, it's been MORE THAN CLEAR EVERYONE NEEDS TO WEAR AMASK AND SOCIAL practice distancing. It's not working like it should, because there are people who won't follow the guidelines.

If everyone got vacinated, given some time, we would not have to wear maskes and social distance.

Yes, You should have to ring a bell and a siren along with wearing a neon sign. I believe I have the right to know if you are a possible super spreader.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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