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rxwine
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January 30th, 2021 at 2:08:44 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Iím pro mask and vaccine BUT, normalcy is never really coming back in the same way that privacy never really came back post 9-11.



Yeah it will.

New plan if there is a new virus outbreak.

Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
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January 30th, 2021 at 2:22:17 PM permalink
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I have a friend whose wife was given Thalidomide for cancer. Have you heard of that?


Lenalidomide is an
isomers are molecules with identical molecular formulas ó that is, same number of atoms of each element ó but distinct arrangements of atoms
of Thalidomide. It's marketed under the trade name Revlimid as a treatment for multiple myeloma. I've been on it for about 7 years now.

The stuff does a great job (hey, I'm still alive, right) but the FDA is incredibly paranoid about the stuff due to the linkage with Thalidomide. It's not something that you can get at your local CVS or Wahlgreens. Every month I have to check in with the drug company and acknowledge that I have not allowed any female who might become pregnant to come in contact with the stuff. You also get questioned on your sex life (you're not allowed to get somebody pregnant while on the drug). I heard about one guy who lost his pills while on vacation and it resulted in a full FDA investigation. He was warned that if he lost any pills a second time they would take him off the drug.

Bottom line is it's scary stuff unless you have certain types of cancer in which case it's the greatest thing since [fill in the blank].
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billryan
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January 30th, 2021 at 4:25:53 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

I have a friend whose wife was given Thalidomide for cancer. Have you heard of that?



Thalidomide has made a small comeback but isn't given to women who may become pregnant. I'm not sure how it is prescribed, but I saw it listed on an inventory a couple of years ago.
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January 30th, 2021 at 5:20:38 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Thalidomide has made a small comeback but isn't given to women who may become pregnant. I'm not sure how it is prescribed, but I saw it listed on an inventory a couple of years ago.

Indeed, it is a useful and effective anti cancer drug. Just VERY dangerous to pregnancy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
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January 30th, 2021 at 8:19:00 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Anyone who wants mine can have it.



Ditto here. Last vac I had was in first
grade for polio. They lined up the
school and popped us in the arm,
hurt like hell. A little red headed
girl in 3rd grade screamed and
fought and would not let them
do her arm, so they grabbed her
and lifted her skirt and pulled
down her undies and popped her
in her bare white butt in front
of the whole school. Most erotic
thing we'd ever seen up till then.
Last vac I ever had.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
AZDuffman
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January 31st, 2021 at 5:55:43 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

OF COURSE, everyone can and should make their own decision.

But unfortunately your decision effects me and others. If 50% think and choose as you do, the 50% getting the vaccine is useless. You probably need 75% to stop this virus. The vaccine is our way out, our way back to normalcy, so I am just hoping enough people get it right. :)



If you take it you are safe and I am not affecting you.
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teliot
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January 31st, 2021 at 6:50:03 AM permalink
I may have found a way to "skip the line." I signed up to volunteer for our Santa Barbara County Health department at their POD (point of delivery) vaccine clinics. This involves roughly one 8 hour shift as a volunteer per week, but in return I will get vaccinated as a medical frontline worker. Most likely I will be doing some sort of traffic/crowd control, since my medical training is zilch. My first shift is this Wednesday at the clinic in Santa Maria, and I was told I will be vaccinated on-site. We'll see.

My wife will be getting her second shot next week. She is a volunteer with the local "Visiting Nurse and Hospice" organization, so she is bedside with dying patients.
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January 31st, 2021 at 7:18:42 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

If you take it you are safe and I am not affecting you.

Perhaps not directly, but indirectly you do, if you and others who refused to get the vaccine end up spreading the virus to others who also refuse to be vaccinated, or the people who haven't had the chance to get it yet. It slows down herd immunity. You want the economy to open back up and the virus to go away, but you don't want to participate in doing what it takes to achieve that. You want others to be a guinea pig for you and take care of the problem. Regardless if you thought it was a problem in the first place, it doesn't matter, enough people think it is a problem and it's causing problems. It would be great if everyone who refuse the vaccine was solely responsible for any ill effects, but we know that's not the case, everyone pays the price.

I get it, you don't want to take a rushed vaccine, just in case, well, who the hell does? I'm pretty sure most people know the vaccines was rushed and they have it in the back of their minds there could be some potential problems, and yet, they're doing their part and brave enough to get it anyways. You might call them foolish, you might call them scared, you might call them sheep are any number of other things. But we're at war with the virus, and just like a normal war people going to battle for various different reasons, but in the end, those who did should all be considered Heroes, no matter what their reasons were in the first place.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:35:39 AM permalink
What's this world coming to. I can't find much - if anything - in what AxelWolf wrote above with which I disagree.

This is part of why I volunteered for the vaccine study a couple of months ago and got my shot of whatever it was. I figured that it potentially helps me (if I got the real vaccine and not placebo) and definitely helps science and the fight against the virus.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:39:53 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Perhaps not directly, but indirectly you do, if you and others who refused to get the vaccine end up spreading the virus to others who also refuse to be vaccinated, or the people who haven't had the chance to get it yet. It slows down herd immunity. You want the economy to open back up and the virus to go away, but you don't want to participate in doing what it takes to achieve that. You want others to be a guinea pig for you and take care of the problem. Regardless if you thought it was a problem in the first place, it doesn't matter, enough people think it is a problem and it's causing problems. It would be great if everyone who refuse the vaccine was solely responsible for any ill effects, but we know that's not the case, everyone pays the price.



If those of us who decline to get it are only "hurting" others who decline to get it then we are not bothering anyone else. I do not want others to be a "guinea pig" I want to reopen 100% and get herd immunity. Then we can wait for the next scare in 5 or so years, hopefully not doing the lockdown we have done this time.

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I get it, you don't want to take a rushed vaccine, just in case, well, who the hell does? I'm pretty sure most people know the vaccines was rushed and they have it in the back of their minds there could be some potential problems, and yet, they're doing their part and brave enough to get it anyways. You might call them foolish, you might call them scared, you might call them sheep are any number of other things. But we're at war with the virus, and just like a normal war people going to battle for various different reasons, but in the end, those who did should all be considered Heroes, no matter what their reasons were in the first place.



Honestly, I do not think the people trying to get to the front of the vaccine line think it was rushed. I do not think they think they are "doing their part" and I do not consider them "brave." I put them in two camps. Maybe three. The "third" are hospital and health workers, whom I will give a pass to. The first are those in such fear of "getting sick and dying" that they will do *anything* to reduce *any* risk. The second are conformists who will simply do whatever the government or anyone in charge tells them to do. They are the kind who like to pay a HOA to tell them how to keep their house.

You are not a "hero" if you died because of the virus. You are a hero when you do something heroic.
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