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speedycrap
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August 20th, 2019 at 5:31:32 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Has anyone ever done a controlled experiment versus someone just asking for an upgrade given the same circumstances? Until that's done I don't know how you or anyone can claim this works any better than just asking for an upgrade. If it works 1 in 10 times, then would you consider that working?

I'm not sure if I linked to it in the thread discussing this, but I was skeptical so I did some searching and came across an Insider who is explaining why this it doesn't work any better than just simply asking for an upgrade. They explain exactly how, when, and why upgrades happen. They explained simply asking will get you the same results as tipping $20.

Obviously, giving $20 to some corrupt casino employee will help sometimes. I'm wondering if this would be considered employee theft assuming management has a policy against it?

Employee theft is a bit heavy, I think. Policy or not, employee should not have accepted money in exchange of favor. Offering good service then got tipped is a different story in service industry.
speedycrap
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August 20th, 2019 at 5:38:37 AM permalink
In general, Gold Coast dealers are bad. I mainly play craps, in Gold Coast, some dealers appears to be having his/her first job. Even the Bac dealers are not good. But bad dealers are +EV though. Some dealers/floor attitude are bad. I mean bad. Comparing to another low end casino, Palace Station has a way better quality team of craps dealers. The floor works/looks/talks like casino floor. A lot of craps dealers are good enough to work at any fancy strip casinos in my opinion.
FleaStiff
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August 20th, 2019 at 6:10:56 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

I'm trying to figure out if playing the Passline for $15 at a full craps table is equivalent to playing at a full $25 Blackjack table.
At the comps table https://easy.vegas/gambling/comps it says in . . . ..

i'ev never found those tables to hold true. I lose more money and I lose it faster.

HOWEVER, you should play a game whose rules you know and which you think would be enjoyable to you.
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billryan
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August 20th, 2019 at 7:01:40 AM permalink
As far as the$20 tip goes, it has worked for me on several occasions.
Rio- arrived at 1130AM. No room ready, am told to check our bags with bellhop and check back after 2pm. I thank the guy and tip him $10. By the time we got to the bell hop, a room was ready.
Harrahs- my room was assigned with my key in hand when ,after a $20 tip, I was told the room wasn't ready so they were upgrading me to a suite with a balcony.
Laughlin- checked in with a room upgrade coupon. After $10 tip I was told to save the coupon for next time.
FleaStiff
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August 20th, 2019 at 7:17:36 AM permalink
some people checking in have rooms booked under special offers and the desk clerk is limited to a predetermined block of rooms even if he takes the twenty.
EvenBob
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:56:50 AM permalink
Dumpster diving works because hardly
anybody does it, and we live in one
of the richest countries. If this was
happening in any Central American
country, there would be whole families
living around the dumpsters, like
they live at the dumps and landfills
in their country. Only in places like
America do we have so much that
we can throw away good food.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
AxelWolf
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:24:19 AM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

Employee theft is a bit heavy, I think. Policy or not, employee should not have accepted money in exchange of favor. Offering good service then got tipped is a different story in service industry.

So if a customer goes into a bar and orders a well drink(vodka on the rocks) and proceeds to slip the bartender a 20 spot and the bartender cracks out a bottle of DIVA gem and gives them a long pour. Is that not employee theft? Perhaps we should ask Boz what he thinks about that?

What if I slip a casino employee an extra 20 bucks to load me up with 500 free play when it should have been $20?

I don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stand on any moral high ground here I couldn't care less if people are raping the casinos. I encourage it.

If your website encourages people to bride Casino employees and encourage employee theft, I don't have a problem with that either. Once again, I encourage it. But, let's not water it down, it is employee theft assuming the casino has rules against it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
CrystalMath
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:24:29 AM permalink
My biggest issue is deciding what I think a dealer should earn. Their education puts them on par with a $30k job, but if they can find a job that pays $60k, then good for them. Is $60k fair? I don't know, but I hope they retain only the best, most friendly dealers for that price. The natural order should eventually put the best dealers at the best casinos. I tip about $10 per hour, so I think I'm being fair enough.

For a cocktail waitress, I have no issue tipping $1 per drink, but do I think the job is worth $60k? I really don't think so, but I sure do appreciate free drinks.

What about the guy who calls up the cab? What's he worth? Does he get tipped out by cabbies? A valet gets $3 to run and get my car, so a guy who waves his finger is worth, what, $0.25? Now, if I could skip a 30 minute cab line, it's definitely worth $5.
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AxelWolf
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:29:00 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

As far as the$20 tip goes, it has worked for me on several occasions.
Rio- arrived at 1130AM. No room ready, am told to check our bags with bellhop and check back after 2pm. I thank the guy and tip him $10. By the time we got to the bell hop, a room was ready.
Harrahs- my room was assigned with my key in hand when ,after a $20 tip, I was told the room wasn't ready so they were upgrading me to a suite with a balcony.
Laughlin- checked in with a room upgrade coupon. After $10 tip I was told to save the coupon for next time.

coincidence, confirmation bias, who knows? This is not evidence that works.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MichaelBluejay
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August 20th, 2019 at 12:01:19 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

My biggest issue is deciding what I think a dealer should earn. Their education puts them on par with a $30k job...

Yes, this is the burning question, isn't it? I do think dealers should earn more than jobs requiring a comparable amount of training because the working conditions are so poor. You're constantly breathing smoke and have to deal with a steady stream of rude and hostile customers. Most $30k/yr. jobs probably aren't nearly as stressful.

There's a spectrum of opinion on this, from people who object to tipping at all (this forum is filled with them), to those who tip generously. I'm in the middle. I believe in tipping, but tip less than the extra generous players.

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