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With the Wizard's permission, I'm starting this thread to report on the updates I do to my site, Easy Vegas.

The first update is that I just switched to the new name. It used to be VegasClick (and before that VegasReference), but now that we have dot-vegas domain names, I picked up easy.vegas, the first domain I'm truly happy with, nearly 20 years after I first launched the site.

I'm running a poll on the site for readers to choose which of the two logo designs they like better.

Other updates:

* Two new Vegas Strip maps

* New article: How much do dealers make?

* Cheapest buffets added to the Cheap Eats page
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August 18th, 2019 at 5:25:18 AM permalink
Great info.

I have never taken the bus from the airport, but will consider it next time.

A couple of constructive comments:

On your paragraph about the Airport Shuttle to the Strip, I would mention that this can take a long time, because the boothlings will always tell you the next shuttle is leaving in 5-10 minutes ( but can be 20 - 30 ), AND if you are the last drop-off, plan on another 25 - 30 minutes above and beyond the drive time to the Strip.

Also, on the CHEAPEST BUFFET's section:

- We usually do the CZR 24 hour Buffet pass once per trip.

- Late Dinner, then Breakfast, then snack or just skip lunch, then Early Dinner. So that's $ 20 or $ 15 per meal, depending. Unfortunately, all of the CZR buffets are just so-so. The 24 hour pass does NOT include the fancy buffet at Caesars.

- I think it is up to $ 60 now for weekdays, including tax.
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August 18th, 2019 at 7:59:43 AM permalink
airport shuttle is slow and for peons. Those arriving on it are not even permitted to use the Venitian's main entrance.
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* Cheapest buffets added to the Cheap Eats page



Good stuff here. For the tourist / strip visitor, the grocery stores should probably only be considered for someone with a car. Head northwest to the Smith's on Charleston and Rancho, that's where all the medical buildings are and the Goodman's live nearby and have been there on occasion. Far nicer than Sahara and Maryland. Wal-Mart is nearby for anything else.

For cheapest buffets, don't even consider the strip. Orleans or Palace Station are going to be cheaper, even with a round trip Uber / Lyft ride. Plus they have plenty of +99% (and even +100%) video poker and low limit 3-2 blackjack that can easily be a player advantage with points and or a small spread. Palms is a great price for breakfast and ok for lunch. Basic strategy for any buffet is always go at the end of breakfast or lunch. Some places use "buffet protection" where they close for a period before the price increase, have to check ahead. Westgate has become quite a bit more expensive recently, but one of the most liberal with discounts. For all-you-can-eat-and-drink, pretty sure Main Street Station is always king.

The one time my parents stayed on the strip my dad paid $5 for a coffee one morning. After that he went across the bridge and paid 60-cents at McDonald's with his senior discount. So I always suggest checking them out first. In-N-Out on the southside, under $6 for a double-double and Diet Coke. A lot of cheap / regular priced places (Subway, In-N-Out, Westgate, Gold Coast) are easy walks in the cooler months, just not very scenic and might get hit with a raw sewage smell.

Love the idea of just eating trash that you find. But room service left-overs means you might have to spend +$100 on a hotel room. Probably better to just go to the dumpsters and have a much better selection without having to pay anything. Or just eat more during a buffet visit and there will be no need to look for edible garbage.
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August 18th, 2019 at 10:43:58 AM permalink
In the past, casinos have been known to hand out free or discount buffet coupons outside of GA meetings.
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August 18th, 2019 at 10:45:17 AM permalink
If you get real desperate, the City of Las Vegas and the taxpayers of Clark county offer free room and board, as a last resort.
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August 18th, 2019 at 11:08:47 AM permalink
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If you get real desperate, the City of Las Vegas and the taxpayers of Clark county offer free room and board, as a last resort.

breakfast is three in the morning;you need money on your card to eat commissary or face violence in the general mess. its not fun see the aforementioned obituary thread for some pretty gruesome details.
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August 19th, 2019 at 5:20:22 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Great info. I have never taken the bus from the airport, but will consider it next time.

Glad you liked it! BTW, my strip maps are the only ones that show the buses from the airport.


Quote: JohnnyQ

On your paragraph about the Airport Shuttle to the Strip, I would mention that this can take a long time, because the boothlings will always tell you the next shuttle is leaving in 5-10 minutes ( but can be 20 - 30 ), AND if you are the last drop-off, plan on another 25 - 30 minutes above and beyond the drive time to the Strip.

Good point, thank you, I added that.


Quote: JohnnyQ

Also, on the CHEAPEST BUFFET's section: We usually do the CZR 24 hour Buffet pass once per trip.

Thank you, I'd meant to include that, but forgot. Great catch. I added it.


Quote: TomG

Good stuff here. For the tourist / strip visitor, the grocery stores should probably only be considered for someone with a car.

Bus ride is as short as 11 minutes and travel times for each bus are listed.


Quote: TomG

For cheapest buffets, don't even consider the strip. Orleans or Palace Station are going to be cheaper...

Okay, I added a column for near-strip buffets, good suggestion, thanks.
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August 19th, 2019 at 5:38:56 PM permalink
I like the article on what dealers get paid, especially the advice on tipping. What are your thoughts on tipping the cocktail waitress? Many here feel that $1 per drink is sufficient, yet that was the going rate 25 years ago and I feel cheap doing it.

Of course, as your dealer chart shows, it depends on where you are. One time I was at the Morongo casino near Palm Springs and tipped the waitress $1 for a water on her tray. (No booze on the casino floor there which allows 18 year olds to gamble.) She was so grateful that I wondered if anyone in that pace had ever given her a gratuity before.
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August 19th, 2019 at 6:32:59 PM permalink
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What are your thoughts on tipping the cocktail waitress?

https://Easy.Vegas/vegas/tipping-guide

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She was so grateful that I wondered if anyone in that pace had ever given her a gratuity before.

Once at the Western when I tried to tip a blackjack dealer, she didn't know what I was doing.
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August 19th, 2019 at 6:42:35 PM permalink
I think your website would be better off concentrating on values, risks and returns, avoidance of unnecessary expenses, etc. but I see no reason for you to include anything that is shameful and disgraceful such as the utterly absurd $20.00 check-in 'trick' that probably gets you the same room you would have received anyway without paying it. Riding buses or shopping at thrift stores seems a strange focus but I'm not going to say that all bus passengers are filthy degenerates, its just a mode of transportation that is socially frowned upon.
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August 19th, 2019 at 6:56:14 PM permalink
Not all content applies to everybody. Some people will never play video poker, should I not cover it? Some people aren't looking for bargains, should I omit bargain-related tips? You just take what applies to you and skip what doesn't. Same for a newspaper. People who will never ride the bus simply skip those tips. Those who are on a super-budget (as I was 20 years ago when I started the site) might appreciate them.

The $20 front desk tip is real and it works. I've used it successfully myself, and there's a whole website devoted to it where users report their success, which I link to.

As for riding the bus being socially frowned-up, the always jam-packed Deuce buses might beg to differ.
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August 19th, 2019 at 8:19:19 PM permalink
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Love the idea of just eating trash that you find. But room service left-overs means you might have to spend +$100 on a hotel room. Probably better to just go to the dumpsters and have a much better selection without having to pay anything. Or just eat more during a buffet visit and there will be no need to look for edible garbage.



As someone who knows you both, you two should meet. If you go dumpster diving, I would love to come along.
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As someone who knows you both, you two should meet. If you go dumpster diving, I would love to come along.



I want to see video of that. There
are places that have dumpster
clubs, where they go on routes
and fill their vans with bread
and pastries and all kinds of
expired stuff. This could be you:

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August 19th, 2019 at 9:54:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As someone who knows you both, you two should meet. If you go dumpster diving, I would love to come along.

I'm game. I'll put this on my list for next time I'm in Vegas.

BTW, I used to list dumpster diving as one of the tips at the end of the Cheap Eats page but I got so much flak for it that I removed it b/c it wasn't worth the hassle, especially because none of my readers unfamiliar with dumpster diving would try it, and those familiar with it don't need to hear the tip from me.

For those not in the know, dumpster diving does *not* mean salvaging food that's literally touching trash, at least for most divers. At the bagel shop I used to hit, they'd throw away a big, tied-up garbage bag full of day-old bagels with *nothing else* in the bag. At the small grocery store I used to hit, they'd set two banana boxes full of produce in the dumpster, with the contents not mingling with trash at all. The boxes were a combination of dent & scratch (the majority), rotten produce (very small amount), and some pieces that were absolutely perfect, had no idea why they threw it away.

There's a group called Food Not Bombs with chapters worldwide which dumpster-dives safe food, then prepares it and serves it to the homeless. Their idea is that it's crazy that we throw away so much good food when there are so many people who don't have enough.

When my wife first moved here we got some bagels together, so I could show her about my exploits.

At the co-op I used to live in near the university, it was always someone's job (and sometimes mine) to go get the bagels from the bagel shop. I actually realized I could go a little earlier and grab the bag from the worker *before* he put it in the dumpster. Did the same thing eventually at the grocery store for the produce. So, that's more like "dumpster intercepting". Wizard, would you be disappointed if that's the method I used when you went along?
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August 19th, 2019 at 11:55:31 PM permalink
Linq, Harrah's, and Casino Royale are completely out of order on the map.

And tip the worst paid dealers $2 an hour vs. the best paid dealers $11/hour?!?!?! And Orleans dealers really only make $30k? I hope not! And tip on service quality PERIOD, imo. An awesome dealer at the pinny pinching Orleans deserves as much tip money (or more) as a dealer at the Wynn, imo!

I would love Crystal Math to weigh in on this.
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August 20th, 2019 at 12:51:52 AM permalink
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Linq, Harrah's, and Casino Royale are completely out of order on the map.

They were, on *one* of the maps, not "the" map. I fixed it. Thank you for very much pointing it out.

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And tip the worst paid dealers $2 an hour vs. the best paid dealers $11/hour?!?!?!

It baffles me why people constantly ascribe to me statements that I never made. Of course I never said this.

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And Orleans dealers really only make $30k? I hope not!

I actually meant to say Gold Coast. I just fixed it, but I doubt there's much difference between the two. When I was at Gold Coast a few months ago I was the only one tipping at my tables. I don't have hard data for most of the casinos but based on the data I do have (which I cited), I think the generalizations for the various casino classes are fairly accurate. If anyone has more or better data, I'm all ears.

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And tip on service quality PERIOD, imo. An awesome dealer at the pinny pinching Orleans deserves as much tip money (or more) as a dealer at the Wynn, imo!

I hope you're not suggesting I said otherwise. What I actually said is pretty much exactly what you said.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:27:40 AM permalink
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The one time my parents stayed on the strip my dad paid $5 for a coffee one morning. After that he went across the bridge and paid 60-cents at McDonald's with his senior discount.

It is the same way virtually everywhere. A bottle of water costs a fortune in the room but is free in the casino and usually overpriced in the deli area. Coffee is free in the casino but if you are not yet fully awake that "free" coffee can be expensive. Early morning pastry service in the casino used to take place, I don't know if it still does. Left overs from it usually go to the EDR.

Some people simply need coffee to drag themselves out of bed even absent time zone changes. After a morning wake-up slurp they can navigate a pedestrian overpass or an early morning casino foray. It was eons ago but I remember this young obviously well-off woman who had just left the casino to go to bed for the night and could not believe the housekeeper whose response to her question was "it's 7:00am". Anyone that chronologically disoriented can be really dangerous to their wallets.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:55:19 AM permalink
I'm trying to figure out if playing the Passline for $15 at a full craps table is equivalent to playing at a full $25 Blackjack table.
At the comps table https://easy.vegas/gambling/comps it says in 50 hours of play I'll lose $317 at craps (21 units) and get comps worth $188 (at the strip normal rate of 33%) so I'll have a net loss of $129. At $25 BJ with 0.48% HA I'll lose $312 (12.5 units) but get comped $217 for a net loss of $95. I changed the HA to 0.50% for an 8 deck shoe instead of a 6 deck shoe and lost a half a unit.

I probably still need a 25 unit buy-in with an option to double my money if I win 10 hands ahead.
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:49:41 AM permalink
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The $20 front desk tip is real and it works. I've used it successfully myself, and there's a whole website devoted to it where users report their success, which I link to.

Has anyone ever done a controlled experiment versus someone just asking for an upgrade given the same circumstances? Until that's done I don't know how you or anyone can claim this works any better than just asking for an upgrade. If it works 1 in 10 times, then would you consider that working?

I'm not sure if I linked to it in the thread discussing this, but I was skeptical so I did some searching and came across an Insider who is explaining why this it doesn't work any better than just simply asking for an upgrade. They explain exactly how, when, and why upgrades happen. They explained simply asking will get you the same results as tipping $20.

Obviously, giving $20 to some corrupt casino employee will help sometimes. I'm wondering if this would be considered employee theft assuming management has a policy against it?
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August 20th, 2019 at 5:31:32 AM permalink
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Has anyone ever done a controlled experiment versus someone just asking for an upgrade given the same circumstances? Until that's done I don't know how you or anyone can claim this works any better than just asking for an upgrade. If it works 1 in 10 times, then would you consider that working?

I'm not sure if I linked to it in the thread discussing this, but I was skeptical so I did some searching and came across an Insider who is explaining why this it doesn't work any better than just simply asking for an upgrade. They explain exactly how, when, and why upgrades happen. They explained simply asking will get you the same results as tipping $20.

Obviously, giving $20 to some corrupt casino employee will help sometimes. I'm wondering if this would be considered employee theft assuming management has a policy against it?

Employee theft is a bit heavy, I think. Policy or not, employee should not have accepted money in exchange of favor. Offering good service then got tipped is a different story in service industry.
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August 20th, 2019 at 5:38:37 AM permalink
In general, Gold Coast dealers are bad. I mainly play craps, in Gold Coast, some dealers appears to be having his/her first job. Even the Bac dealers are not good. But bad dealers are +EV though. Some dealers/floor attitude are bad. I mean bad. Comparing to another low end casino, Palace Station has a way better quality team of craps dealers. The floor works/looks/talks like casino floor. A lot of craps dealers are good enough to work at any fancy strip casinos in my opinion.
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August 20th, 2019 at 6:10:56 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

I'm trying to figure out if playing the Passline for $15 at a full craps table is equivalent to playing at a full $25 Blackjack table.
At the comps table https://easy.vegas/gambling/comps it says in . . . ..

i'ev never found those tables to hold true. I lose more money and I lose it faster.

HOWEVER, you should play a game whose rules you know and which you think would be enjoyable to you.
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August 20th, 2019 at 7:01:40 AM permalink
As far as the$20 tip goes, it has worked for me on several occasions.
Rio- arrived at 1130AM. No room ready, am told to check our bags with bellhop and check back after 2pm. I thank the guy and tip him $10. By the time we got to the bell hop, a room was ready.
Harrahs- my room was assigned with my key in hand when ,after a $20 tip, I was told the room wasn't ready so they were upgrading me to a suite with a balcony.
Laughlin- checked in with a room upgrade coupon. After $10 tip I was told to save the coupon for next time.
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August 20th, 2019 at 7:17:36 AM permalink
some people checking in have rooms booked under special offers and the desk clerk is limited to a predetermined block of rooms even if he takes the twenty.
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:56:50 AM permalink
Dumpster diving works because hardly
anybody does it, and we live in one
of the richest countries. If this was
happening in any Central American
country, there would be whole families
living around the dumpsters, like
they live at the dumps and landfills
in their country. Only in places like
America do we have so much that
we can throw away good food.
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:24:19 AM permalink
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Employee theft is a bit heavy, I think. Policy or not, employee should not have accepted money in exchange of favor. Offering good service then got tipped is a different story in service industry.

So if a customer goes into a bar and orders a well drink(vodka on the rocks) and proceeds to slip the bartender a 20 spot and the bartender cracks out a bottle of DIVA gem and gives them a long pour. Is that not employee theft? Perhaps we should ask Boz what he thinks about that?

What if I slip a casino employee an extra 20 bucks to load me up with 500 free play when it should have been $20?

I don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stand on any moral high ground here I couldn't care less if people are raping the casinos. I encourage it.

If your website encourages people to bride Casino employees and encourage employee theft, I don't have a problem with that either. Once again, I encourage it. But, let's not water it down, it is employee theft assuming the casino has rules against it.
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:24:29 AM permalink
My biggest issue is deciding what I think a dealer should earn. Their education puts them on par with a $30k job, but if they can find a job that pays $60k, then good for them. Is $60k fair? I don't know, but I hope they retain only the best, most friendly dealers for that price. The natural order should eventually put the best dealers at the best casinos. I tip about $10 per hour, so I think I'm being fair enough.

For a cocktail waitress, I have no issue tipping $1 per drink, but do I think the job is worth $60k? I really don't think so, but I sure do appreciate free drinks.

What about the guy who calls up the cab? What's he worth? Does he get tipped out by cabbies? A valet gets $3 to run and get my car, so a guy who waves his finger is worth, what, $0.25? Now, if I could skip a 30 minute cab line, it's definitely worth $5.
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August 20th, 2019 at 11:29:00 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

As far as the$20 tip goes, it has worked for me on several occasions.
Rio- arrived at 1130AM. No room ready, am told to check our bags with bellhop and check back after 2pm. I thank the guy and tip him $10. By the time we got to the bell hop, a room was ready.
Harrahs- my room was assigned with my key in hand when ,after a $20 tip, I was told the room wasn't ready so they were upgrading me to a suite with a balcony.
Laughlin- checked in with a room upgrade coupon. After $10 tip I was told to save the coupon for next time.

coincidence, confirmation bias, who knows? This is not evidence that works.
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August 20th, 2019 at 12:01:19 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

My biggest issue is deciding what I think a dealer should earn. Their education puts them on par with a $30k job...

Yes, this is the burning question, isn't it? I do think dealers should earn more than jobs requiring a comparable amount of training because the working conditions are so poor. You're constantly breathing smoke and have to deal with a steady stream of rude and hostile customers. Most $30k/yr. jobs probably aren't nearly as stressful.

There's a spectrum of opinion on this, from people who object to tipping at all (this forum is filled with them), to those who tip generously. I'm in the middle. I believe in tipping, but tip less than the extra generous players.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:09:27 PM permalink
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Yes, this is the burning question, isn't it? I do think dealers should earn more than jobs requiring a comparable amount of training because the working conditions are so poor. You're constantly breathing smoke and have to deal with a steady stream of rude and hostile customers. Most $30k/yr. jobs probably aren't nearly as stressful.

There's a spectrum of opinion on this, from people who object to tipping at all (this forum is filled with them), to those who tip generously. I'm in the middle. I believe in tipping, but tip less than the extra generous players.



Some of those poor conditions have to be offset by the fact they get a 20 minute break every 80 minutes.

Thereís very few jobs at that level where you are never required to work more than an hour straight.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:11:20 PM permalink
A good addition would be tips on flying the cheapest from different cities by adding legs to gain the most miles.

An example is flying from PHL to LAS nonstop gives you 2176 award and status miles. But at times it is cheaper and you can earn more miles by flying PHL to MIA to DFW or PNX, then to LAS. While it adds time, you can save money and achieve preferred status quicker. For those with extra time, itís a huge AP opportunity on both ends, saving money and earning miles & status.

I am using AA as an example from Philadelphia but Iím sure this can be common from other East Coast cities and on other carriers. Stopping in CLT, ORD and LAX are also opportunities from PHL but usually do not gain many extra miles or are higher in price.

The key is to be flexible in your flight time and look everyday once you have a trip planned. Also do not sign in and clear cookies as the possibly is there that they track how many times you look at a certain flight, though that has not been proven.

Note I do not recommend leg skipping as you are risking losing miles earned and your airline status, along with getting your return trip canceled if you booked RT.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:16:26 PM permalink
There is a scene in Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood of hippies in bare feet dumpster diving. The reaction of the character seeing it was as if he saw it all the time.

Question for the older members -- Was this an actual thing in the 60's? If not, and sorry to ask a stupid question, but what did unemployed hippies eat?

I'd like to remind the forum of the new rule against making devise political statements, so be careful. Statements of fact only please.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:21:49 PM permalink
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There is a scene in Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood of hippies in bare feet dumpster diving. The reaction of the character seeing it was as if he saw it all the time.

Question for the older members -- Was this an actual thing in the 60's? If not, and sorry to ask a stupid question, but what did unemployed hippies eat?

I'd like to remind the forum of the new rule against making devise political statements, so be careful. Statements of fact only please.



Are all facts non divisive? How does one determine what is fact if they had to ask the question in the first place? This seems like a trap. I will pass.
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August 20th, 2019 at 2:00:28 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Question for the older members -- Was this an actual thing in the 60's?



There were no dumpsters like the
ones they have now in my area
in the 60's. I looked it up and
the things were invented by
the Dempster Brothers and called
the Dempster-Dumpster System.
There is actually a long and
interesting article on Wiki about
dumpster diving:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumpster_diving
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August 20th, 2019 at 2:32:43 PM permalink
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My biggest issue is deciding what I think a dealer should earn. Their education puts them on par with a $30k job, but if they can find a job that pays $60k, then good for them. Is $60k fair? I don't know, but I hope they retain only the best, most friendly dealers for that price. The natural order should eventually put the best dealers at the best casinos. I tip about $10 per hour, so I think I'm being fair enough.

For a cocktail waitress, I have no issue tipping $1 per drink, but do I think the job is worth $60k? I really don't think so, but I sure do appreciate free drinks.

What about the guy who calls up the cab? What's he worth? Does he get tipped out by cabbies? A valet gets $3 to run and get my car, so a guy who waves his finger is worth, what, $0.25? Now, if I could skip a 30 minute cab line, it's definitely worth $5.



I think resenting the fact that someone has some measure of good fortune because you don't feel they deserve it is probably the wrong mentality to have. On top of that, societies function best when there are a lot of good jobs. Good jobs are good. Dealers can buy cars, houses, dinners out, etc. and their money circulates through the economy. Their families are going to be more stable and their children will have better upbringings than if they were barely scraping by because that's what someone decided they "deserved."

Education doesn't really mean much and there is a lot of luck involved in who gets a good education to begin with, if you want to play the "deserve" game. Naturally, those of us who have a lot of education tend to equate education with merit, but that's BS.

Some people are just good at their jobs and bring value to the table (literally, in this case). Everybody from a good salesman to a professional athlete. Some people are good leaders. Some people are super organized. Some people just have a knack for certain jobs.
Dealing is a fairly difficult job technically and emotionally and some people are really good at it.
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August 20th, 2019 at 2:38:31 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Was this an actual thing in the 60's?

Yes. Dumpster diving and dumpster dwelling each existed but hippies generally were usually on welfare in at least one state and tended to eat fairly well.
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August 20th, 2019 at 3:03:38 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I think resenting the fact that someone has some measure of good fortune because you don't feel they deserve it is probably the wrong mentality to have. On top of that, societies function best when there are a lot of good jobs. Good jobs are good. Dealers can buy cars, houses, dinners out, etc. and their money circulates through the economy. Their families are going to be more stable and their children will have better upbringings than if they were barely scraping by because that's what someone decided they "deserved."

Education doesn't really mean much and there is a lot of luck involved in who gets a good education to begin with, if you want to play the "deserve" game. Naturally, those of us who have a lot of education tend to equate education with merit, but that's BS.

Some people are just good at their jobs and bring value to the table (literally, in this case). Everybody from a good salesman to a professional athlete. Some people are good leaders. Some people are super organized. Some people just have a knack for certain jobs.
Dealing is a fairly difficult job technically and emotionally and some people are really good at it.



Just to be clear, I donít resent anyone for good fortune and I realize it takes all sorts of people to make this world go round. I respect anyone who works and doesnít cheat on taxes or benefits. But, in the case of tipping, it is my responsibility to determine what that person should earn. If they didnít live on tips, Iím sure a lot of them would earn less because the corporation would believe they are only worth $X. How do they determine X? By the value that the person brings to the company and by how easily they can find a replacement.

How much do you think they should earn?
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August 20th, 2019 at 3:12:13 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath


How much do you think they should earn?



As much as they can get. It is a futile exercise of hubris to try and justify a cap.
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August 20th, 2019 at 3:21:22 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

As much as they can get. It is a futile exercise of hubris to try and justify a cap.


Every employer picks caps, is that hubris? Every time you tip or donít tip, youíre making the same decision. As futile as you think it is, Iím sure youíve made this decision many times.
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August 20th, 2019 at 3:26:10 PM permalink
Whatever they can. $60k/year seems quite reasonable to me though. A reasonable amount for someone to raise a family, particularly with a second income.

We discussed it a lot in the other thread, but tipping is a miracle work around. Tipping jobs pay better than similar jobs without tips. This seems to suggest that, when people perform jobs for us, we want them to be well compensated and don't mind paying for it. (Most of us.)

However, when jobs are salaried the market, the political system and the greed of SOME owners will tend to push wages as low as possible. If Luigi's pizza is $20 and Mario's pizza is $23 and they are the same, we'll pick Luigi's. Maybe Mario is paying his workers well and giving them insurance, but there's really no way for us to know that. And all kinds of complications come into play. So Mario goes out of business and Luigi survives, paying his workers poorly.

When we tip directly, most of us will choose for those who work for us to have a reasonably comfortable and happy lifestyle, rather than a desperate and difficult one. It simplifies the process. All we have to do is pay them. Bada bing bada boom.
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August 20th, 2019 at 3:33:56 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

Every employer picks caps, is that hubris? Every time you tip or donít tip, youíre making the same decision. As futile as you think it is, Iím sure youíve made this decision many times.


Servers are at best a casual encounter in your life. You do whatever you feel is right. To try and extrapolate your personal insignificant action into some sort of justified salary quota or cap requires a significant amount of hubris.
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:06:43 PM permalink
In Las Vegas high income tip earning jobs are one of the reasons the education system here is rated so low. So many kids are dropping out of high school because the tip earning jobs pay so much and don't require a HS diploma.

A 17 year old kid can easily get a job earning $40k-$50k valet parking cars in Las Vegas. If he stays in the business he will be making $60k-$70k in 10 years. I know, I have a step son in that position.
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:14:04 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There is a scene in Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood of hippies in bare feet dumpster diving. The reaction of the character seeing it was as if he saw it all the time.

Question for the older members -- Was this an actual thing in the 60's? If not, and sorry to ask a stupid question, but what did unemployed hippies eat?

I'd like to remind the forum of the new rule against making devise political statements, so be careful. Statements of fact only please.



Yes, it was an actual thing in the 60s. The hippies grew their own vegetables, picked up day old bread, asked for food that would otherwise be thrown out, dumpster dived the better restaurants and grocery stores, made tea out of nearly everything that would diffuse in hot water, painted designs on each other, sang on the corners with guitars for change, wove flowers into their hair and beards, tie-dyed cheap clothes, shopped at Goodwill and Salvation Army, lived in groups regardless of gender or marital status, and shared anything they had with anyone who seemed to need it more than them. Most of them didn't have jobs, but some ran or worked in head shops, record stores, fruit stands.

It was a pretty short period of time they were pure like that. I would guess 1967-1971 or so. Then it became different, more cynical, heavier drugs, more anti-Vietnam activism, a lot of predatory behavior. The movement was mostly dead by about 1974.
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:40:03 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


Yes, it was an actual thing in the 60s. The hippies



We still have them, they just live
with their parents till their 30
instead of seeking each other
out. I always considered hippies
to be lazy bums and had zero
use for them because they
refused to get jobs.
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August 20th, 2019 at 7:18:01 PM permalink
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Okay, I added a column for near-strip buffets, good suggestion, thanks.

Well not a buffet, but we like the Sirloin Steak special at Ellis Island, and the breakfast Strip steak for breakfast.

Yes, EI is a 15 minute walk from the Strip. And on a hot day that's no fun. But a $ 2 bus ride gets you pretty close. The trick is to know when the next bus will come to minimize your wait time, and I think the Metro APP does that.

SO, would it be worth mentioning the bus APP ?

I like texting metro to get the next bus arrival time. BUT you need to know the BUS Stop ID #. Maybe you could list those for the ones that are close to the Strip on the East/West routes.

For example, there are probably some popular ones east and west of the Strip on Flamingo. That gets you out to Rio or Palms for $ 2 each way. People could try that from the comfort of their couch at home in Podunkville and see how easy it is. ( FYI: $ 5 for the 24 hour buss pass when you buy it going east/west ).
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August 20th, 2019 at 8:06:37 PM permalink
Thanks for the suggestions, JohnnyQ. I'll put getting the bus stop IDs and instructions for using on my To-Do list.
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August 20th, 2019 at 8:56:11 PM permalink
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Would you consider a bartender long pouring an expensive liquor for the price of cheap liquor after being tipped employee theft?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:22:33 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

In Las Vegas high income tip earning jobs are one of the reasons the education system here is rated so low. So many kids are dropping out of high school because the tip earning jobs pay so much and don't require a HS diploma.

A 17 year old kid can easily get a job earning $40k-$50k valet parking cars in Las Vegas. If he stays in the business he will be making $60k-$70k in 10 years. I know, I have a step son in that position.



One of my neighbors does something for the Clark County school system. We were talking one day and he told me about the drop out problem in Henderson. Between the boys leaving for casinos and girls leaving to dance.....
Contrast that with Bisbee where I have sixty plus applications for four part time jobs.
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:54:47 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

They were, on *one* of the maps, not "the" map. I fixed it. Thank you for very much pointing it out.

It baffles me why people constantly ascribe to me statements that I never made. Of course I never said this.

I actually meant to say Gold Coast. I just fixed it, but I doubt there's much difference between the two. When I was at Gold Coast a few months ago I was the only one tipping at my tables. I don't have hard data for most of the casinos but based on the data I do have (which I cited), I think the generalizations for the various casino classes are fairly accurate. If anyone has more or better data, I'm all ears.

I hope you're not suggesting I said otherwise. What I actually said is pretty much exactly what you said.



Ughhhhh...I apologize. I had a major reading comprehension fail. I read it as you suggested you should tip them based on what they actually make, not what you THINK they should make. So ignore the rest of my post other than the Linq, Harrah's, Casino Royale thing, which you already fixed.

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