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FleaStiff
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August 19th, 2019 at 6:42:35 PM permalink
I think your website would be better off concentrating on values, risks and returns, avoidance of unnecessary expenses, etc. but I see no reason for you to include anything that is shameful and disgraceful such as the utterly absurd $20.00 check-in 'trick' that probably gets you the same room you would have received anyway without paying it. Riding buses or shopping at thrift stores seems a strange focus but I'm not going to say that all bus passengers are filthy degenerates, its just a mode of transportation that is socially frowned upon.
MichaelBluejay
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August 19th, 2019 at 6:56:14 PM permalink
Not all content applies to everybody. Some people will never play video poker, should I not cover it? Some people aren't looking for bargains, should I omit bargain-related tips? You just take what applies to you and skip what doesn't. Same for a newspaper. People who will never ride the bus simply skip those tips. Those who are on a super-budget (as I was 20 years ago when I started the site) might appreciate them.

The $20 front desk tip is real and it works. I've used it successfully myself, and there's a whole website devoted to it where users report their success, which I link to.

As for riding the bus being socially frowned-up, the always jam-packed Deuce buses might beg to differ.
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August 19th, 2019 at 8:19:19 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

Love the idea of just eating trash that you find. But room service left-overs means you might have to spend +$100 on a hotel room. Probably better to just go to the dumpsters and have a much better selection without having to pay anything. Or just eat more during a buffet visit and there will be no need to look for edible garbage.



As someone who knows you both, you two should meet. If you go dumpster diving, I would love to come along.
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August 19th, 2019 at 8:51:51 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As someone who knows you both, you two should meet. If you go dumpster diving, I would love to come along.



I want to see video of that. There
are places that have dumpster
clubs, where they go on routes
and fill their vans with bread
and pastries and all kinds of
expired stuff. This could be you:

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MichaelBluejay
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August 19th, 2019 at 9:54:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As someone who knows you both, you two should meet. If you go dumpster diving, I would love to come along.

I'm game. I'll put this on my list for next time I'm in Vegas.

BTW, I used to list dumpster diving as one of the tips at the end of the Cheap Eats page but I got so much flak for it that I removed it b/c it wasn't worth the hassle, especially because none of my readers unfamiliar with dumpster diving would try it, and those familiar with it don't need to hear the tip from me.

For those not in the know, dumpster diving does *not* mean salvaging food that's literally touching trash, at least for most divers. At the bagel shop I used to hit, they'd throw away a big, tied-up garbage bag full of day-old bagels with *nothing else* in the bag. At the small grocery store I used to hit, they'd set two banana boxes full of produce in the dumpster, with the contents not mingling with trash at all. The boxes were a combination of dent & scratch (the majority), rotten produce (very small amount), and some pieces that were absolutely perfect, had no idea why they threw it away.

There's a group called Food Not Bombs with chapters worldwide which dumpster-dives safe food, then prepares it and serves it to the homeless. Their idea is that it's crazy that we throw away so much good food when there are so many people who don't have enough.

When my wife first moved here we got some bagels together, so I could show her about my exploits.

At the co-op I used to live in near the university, it was always someone's job (and sometimes mine) to go get the bagels from the bagel shop. I actually realized I could go a little earlier and grab the bag from the worker *before* he put it in the dumpster. Did the same thing eventually at the grocery store for the produce. So, that's more like "dumpster intercepting". Wizard, would you be disappointed if that's the method I used when you went along?
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August 19th, 2019 at 11:55:31 PM permalink
Linq, Harrah's, and Casino Royale are completely out of order on the map.

And tip the worst paid dealers $2 an hour vs. the best paid dealers $11/hour?!?!?! And Orleans dealers really only make $30k? I hope not! And tip on service quality PERIOD, imo. An awesome dealer at the pinny pinching Orleans deserves as much tip money (or more) as a dealer at the Wynn, imo!

I would love Crystal Math to weigh in on this.
MichaelBluejay
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August 20th, 2019 at 12:51:52 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Linq, Harrah's, and Casino Royale are completely out of order on the map.

They were, on *one* of the maps, not "the" map. I fixed it. Thank you for very much pointing it out.

Quote: tringlomane

And tip the worst paid dealers $2 an hour vs. the best paid dealers $11/hour?!?!?!

It baffles me why people constantly ascribe to me statements that I never made. Of course I never said this.

Quote: tringlomane

And Orleans dealers really only make $30k? I hope not!

I actually meant to say Gold Coast. I just fixed it, but I doubt there's much difference between the two. When I was at Gold Coast a few months ago I was the only one tipping at my tables. I don't have hard data for most of the casinos but based on the data I do have (which I cited), I think the generalizations for the various casino classes are fairly accurate. If anyone has more or better data, I'm all ears.

Quote: tringlomane

And tip on service quality PERIOD, imo. An awesome dealer at the pinny pinching Orleans deserves as much tip money (or more) as a dealer at the Wynn, imo!

I hope you're not suggesting I said otherwise. What I actually said is pretty much exactly what you said.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:27:40 AM permalink
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The one time my parents stayed on the strip my dad paid $5 for a coffee one morning. After that he went across the bridge and paid 60-cents at McDonald's with his senior discount.

It is the same way virtually everywhere. A bottle of water costs a fortune in the room but is free in the casino and usually overpriced in the deli area. Coffee is free in the casino but if you are not yet fully awake that "free" coffee can be expensive. Early morning pastry service in the casino used to take place, I don't know if it still does. Left overs from it usually go to the EDR.

Some people simply need coffee to drag themselves out of bed even absent time zone changes. After a morning wake-up slurp they can navigate a pedestrian overpass or an early morning casino foray. It was eons ago but I remember this young obviously well-off woman who had just left the casino to go to bed for the night and could not believe the housekeeper whose response to her question was "it's 7:00am". Anyone that chronologically disoriented can be really dangerous to their wallets.
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August 20th, 2019 at 1:55:19 AM permalink
I'm trying to figure out if playing the Passline for $15 at a full craps table is equivalent to playing at a full $25 Blackjack table.
At the comps table https://easy.vegas/gambling/comps it says in 50 hours of play I'll lose $317 at craps (21 units) and get comps worth $188 (at the strip normal rate of 33%) so I'll have a net loss of $129. At $25 BJ with 0.48% HA I'll lose $312 (12.5 units) but get comped $217 for a net loss of $95. I changed the HA to 0.50% for an 8 deck shoe instead of a 6 deck shoe and lost a half a unit.

I probably still need a 25 unit buy-in with an option to double my money if I win 10 hands ahead.
AxelWolf
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:49:41 AM permalink
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The $20 front desk tip is real and it works. I've used it successfully myself, and there's a whole website devoted to it where users report their success, which I link to.

Has anyone ever done a controlled experiment versus someone just asking for an upgrade given the same circumstances? Until that's done I don't know how you or anyone can claim this works any better than just asking for an upgrade. If it works 1 in 10 times, then would you consider that working?

I'm not sure if I linked to it in the thread discussing this, but I was skeptical so I did some searching and came across an Insider who is explaining why this it doesn't work any better than just simply asking for an upgrade. They explain exactly how, when, and why upgrades happen. They explained simply asking will get you the same results as tipping $20.

Obviously, giving $20 to some corrupt casino employee will help sometimes. I'm wondering if this would be considered employee theft assuming management has a policy against it?
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