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Rigondeaux
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August 20th, 2019 at 3:26:10 PM permalink
Whatever they can. $60k/year seems quite reasonable to me though. A reasonable amount for someone to raise a family, particularly with a second income.

We discussed it a lot in the other thread, but tipping is a miracle work around. Tipping jobs pay better than similar jobs without tips. This seems to suggest that, when people perform jobs for us, we want them to be well compensated and don't mind paying for it. (Most of us.)

However, when jobs are salaried the market, the political system and the greed of SOME owners will tend to push wages as low as possible. If Luigi's pizza is $20 and Mario's pizza is $23 and they are the same, we'll pick Luigi's. Maybe Mario is paying his workers well and giving them insurance, but there's really no way for us to know that. And all kinds of complications come into play. So Mario goes out of business and Luigi survives, paying his workers poorly.

When we tip directly, most of us will choose for those who work for us to have a reasonably comfortable and happy lifestyle, rather than a desperate and difficult one. It simplifies the process. All we have to do is pay them. Bada bing bada boom.
MaxPen
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August 20th, 2019 at 3:33:56 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

Every employer picks caps, is that hubris? Every time you tip or donít tip, youíre making the same decision. As futile as you think it is, Iím sure youíve made this decision many times.


Servers are at best a casual encounter in your life. You do whatever you feel is right. To try and extrapolate your personal insignificant action into some sort of justified salary quota or cap requires a significant amount of hubris.
DRich
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:06:43 PM permalink
In Las Vegas high income tip earning jobs are one of the reasons the education system here is rated so low. So many kids are dropping out of high school because the tip earning jobs pay so much and don't require a HS diploma.

A 17 year old kid can easily get a job earning $40k-$50k valet parking cars in Las Vegas. If he stays in the business he will be making $60k-$70k in 10 years. I know, I have a step son in that position.
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:14:04 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There is a scene in Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood of hippies in bare feet dumpster diving. The reaction of the character seeing it was as if he saw it all the time.

Question for the older members -- Was this an actual thing in the 60's? If not, and sorry to ask a stupid question, but what did unemployed hippies eat?

I'd like to remind the forum of the new rule against making devise political statements, so be careful. Statements of fact only please.



Yes, it was an actual thing in the 60s. The hippies grew their own vegetables, picked up day old bread, asked for food that would otherwise be thrown out, dumpster dived the better restaurants and grocery stores, made tea out of nearly everything that would diffuse in hot water, painted designs on each other, sang on the corners with guitars for change, wove flowers into their hair and beards, tie-dyed cheap clothes, shopped at Goodwill and Salvation Army, lived in groups regardless of gender or marital status, and shared anything they had with anyone who seemed to need it more than them. Most of them didn't have jobs, but some ran or worked in head shops, record stores, fruit stands.

It was a pretty short period of time they were pure like that. I would guess 1967-1971 or so. Then it became different, more cynical, heavier drugs, more anti-Vietnam activism, a lot of predatory behavior. The movement was mostly dead by about 1974.
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EvenBob
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August 20th, 2019 at 4:40:03 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


Yes, it was an actual thing in the 60s. The hippies



We still have them, they just live
with their parents till their 30
instead of seeking each other
out. I always considered hippies
to be lazy bums and had zero
use for them because they
refused to get jobs.
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August 20th, 2019 at 7:18:01 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Okay, I added a column for near-strip buffets, good suggestion, thanks.

Well not a buffet, but we like the Sirloin Steak special at Ellis Island, and the breakfast Strip steak for breakfast.

Yes, EI is a 15 minute walk from the Strip. And on a hot day that's no fun. But a $ 2 bus ride gets you pretty close. The trick is to know when the next bus will come to minimize your wait time, and I think the Metro APP does that.

SO, would it be worth mentioning the bus APP ?

I like texting metro to get the next bus arrival time. BUT you need to know the BUS Stop ID #. Maybe you could list those for the ones that are close to the Strip on the East/West routes.

For example, there are probably some popular ones east and west of the Strip on Flamingo. That gets you out to Rio or Palms for $ 2 each way. People could try that from the comfort of their couch at home in Podunkville and see how easy it is. ( FYI: $ 5 for the 24 hour buss pass when you buy it going east/west ).
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MichaelBluejay
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August 20th, 2019 at 8:06:37 PM permalink
Thanks for the suggestions, JohnnyQ. I'll put getting the bus stop IDs and instructions for using on my To-Do list.
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August 20th, 2019 at 8:56:11 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Would you consider a bartender long pouring an expensive liquor for the price of cheap liquor after being tipped employee theft?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
billryan
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:22:33 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

In Las Vegas high income tip earning jobs are one of the reasons the education system here is rated so low. So many kids are dropping out of high school because the tip earning jobs pay so much and don't require a HS diploma.

A 17 year old kid can easily get a job earning $40k-$50k valet parking cars in Las Vegas. If he stays in the business he will be making $60k-$70k in 10 years. I know, I have a step son in that position.



One of my neighbors does something for the Clark County school system. We were talking one day and he told me about the drop out problem in Henderson. Between the boys leaving for casinos and girls leaving to dance.....
Contrast that with Bisbee where I have sixty plus applications for four part time jobs.
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August 20th, 2019 at 10:54:47 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

They were, on *one* of the maps, not "the" map. I fixed it. Thank you for very much pointing it out.

It baffles me why people constantly ascribe to me statements that I never made. Of course I never said this.

I actually meant to say Gold Coast. I just fixed it, but I doubt there's much difference between the two. When I was at Gold Coast a few months ago I was the only one tipping at my tables. I don't have hard data for most of the casinos but based on the data I do have (which I cited), I think the generalizations for the various casino classes are fairly accurate. If anyone has more or better data, I'm all ears.

I hope you're not suggesting I said otherwise. What I actually said is pretty much exactly what you said.



Ughhhhh...I apologize. I had a major reading comprehension fail. I read it as you suggested you should tip them based on what they actually make, not what you THINK they should make. So ignore the rest of my post other than the Linq, Harrah's, Casino Royale thing, which you already fixed.

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