AN AP NIGHTMARE

Quote: darkoz

Well they better hurry up. Been six years for me

Six years is nothing. There's a casino
surveillance guy who wrote a book
a few years ago. He said casinos are
very non proactive at going after
AP plays they don't know about. But
once they find out it's batten down
the hatches. This play has an exp date,
they all do. The biggest mistake all
shady players make is thinking
what they're doing will never end.

Even starting a thread like this is
a pretty goofy idea. I didn't even
know what players card play was,
and now I do. How many others did
you get wised up with this thread.

Here's a thread I started in 2011 about
wising up chumps. How many casino
floor chumps have you wised up with
this thread. Only takes a couple. Loose
lips sink ships.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/6638-wising-up-chumps/#post94493

Quote: EvenBob

Six years is nothing. There's a casino
surveillance guy who wrote a book
a few years ago. He said casinos are
very non proactive at going after
AP plays they don't know about. But
once they find out it's batten down
the hatches. This play has an exp date,
they all do. The biggest mistake all
shady players make is thinking
what they're doing will never end.

Even starting a thread like this is
a pretty goofy idea. I didn't even
know what players card play was,
and now I do. How many others did
you get wised up with this thread.

Here's a thread I started in 2011 about
wising up chumps. How many casino
floor chumps have you wised up with
this thread. Only takes a couple. Loose
lips sink ships.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/6638-wising-up-chumps/#post94493

You still dont understand how the players card play works

Your suggestion that it is one step above using a lightwand pretty much says it

As for longevity show me any position in any field where someone is guaranteed not to lose their employment.

Quote: darkoz

You still dont understand how the players card play works

Your suggestion that it is one step above using a lightwand pretty much says it

As for longevity show me any position in any field where someone is guaranteed not to lose their employment.

Tenured Professors

Quote: mcallister3200

Can’t believe I looked it up, don’t know how to quote from another thread. Nathan’s “tell a secret in here” thread, page two. “Most feared secretive and well known.” And humble too:)

FWIW, in the other thread, hit Quote. Copy the post, including the quote marks. Cancel that post. Cone to this thread. Hit Reply or Quote. Paste in what you copied. Done.

Quote: Wizard

I'll let that go, since he didn't say who is retarded. However, if he stated a certain group of people, like Trump/Clinton voters, were retarded, then he would be.

but wait.....Clinton voters are retarded.

Quote: mcallister3200

Can’t believe I looked it up, don’t know how to quote from another thread. Nathan’s “tell a secret in here” thread, page two. “Most feared secretive and well known.” And humble too:)

Lol I remember that post now

Even then you should be able to see the joke of telling a secret to the world

Aside from qualifying for that thread my team is just most feared

Alright guys im about to do the next part for the 2nd time. Hopefully I dont hit the wrong button this time

After being floored by the news of my daughter's fiance and his unsavory past I discussed this info with my son and current girlfriend. Both agreed it was almost certain he had committed the robbery.

The main problem was going to be convincing my daughter of this. Every time I spoke to her she told her fiance everything that was said. I needed her separated from him.

I called her mother as they were at her house.

I explained I needed her in the room on her moms phone and why. Her mother was concerned, called her in and told her I was on the phone.

"Yes, Dad?"

"Listen. Dont get upset or hang up. I have some news for you. Your fiance is on parole for robbery in the 2nd degree."

I heard my daughter exhale heavily but not a surprise tone but rather exasperated. "Dad, I know about that. I dont know how you found out but I know. He told me when we met. He's done his time. He has been going dutifully to his parole officer. He never misses a date and they check up on him every 3 days. He is about to get married. His life is turned around. Why would he mess that up? This shouldn't be an issue."

"What?" I half screamed. "You are dating a guy who is a convicted robber and now my house has been robbed and you dont see an issue?"

"Dad, he didnt do it. I know who did it. Why are you not looking at your girlfriend. You refuse too and she is taking advantage of you"

"Because when you get robbed you dont look at the person who has never done any crimes and never done anything to you first, you look at the guy with the history of such crimes. Thats just logic."

"And this is why I didnt tell you, Dad. I knew you wouldn't accept him if you knew. Any time there is something like this, he would always be your first suspect. That's not fair to him."

"NOT FAIR TO HIM! I JUST GOT ROBBED," I screamed.

"Goodbye, Dad."

The phone clicked off. I instantly redialed. Her mom picked up and I could hear loud shouts from the other room.

Her mom telegraphed my request. "She is not coming to the phone. She's screaming at her fiance that you are trying to separate them and all types of stuff."

"Tell her to come to the phone. Please."

She must have placed the phone on the bed because I heard her in the distance saying, "come talk to your father. He just got robbed. You are being very disrespectful by not even talking to him."

More unintelligible shouts and her mother picked up the phone. "She wont come. They're packing their bags and leaving."

"Do not let them leave. That guy is dangerous."

"I will try but not sure how."

I listened anxiously until suddenly there was quiet. Her mother came to the phone.

"They're gone. Sorry. I told her to at least leave the grandkids but she took them too. She said everyone wants her marriage not to happen and she wont be coming back."

There was nothing I could do except maybe call and text her to speak to me. Of course her phone rang until voicemail picked up and she ignored my texts. She just wasn't going to speak with me.

I paced the room anxiously hoping against hope she would see reason and call when the phone suddenly rang. It was my ex-girlfriend.

I apprised her of the situation. My ex-girlfriend said, "that girl is in love. She is not gonna listen to you."

"I have to make her listen to reason."

"Now just playing devil's advocate here. What if you are wrong? You might lose your daughter over this. You dont really have any evidence."

"Yes, its circumstantial but too many things at once for me to be wrong. The lie detector test he waffled on and his criminal record for robbery and a willingness to go rob my girlfriend. Dont you see its him."

"I agree everything seems to be pointing more and more to him. You just need to be sure," she cautioned.

"This amount of circumstantial evidence has put men behind bars before. Look I would love some smoking gun to fall from the heavens but you know that never happens."

After our conversation I thought about where this whole situation could go. My daughter was on fhe move but still had a schedule to follow. She would be reaching out to certain people for pickups and gambling.

This guy was going to follow her every move. He wanted more money. He didnt have enough. He probably never would. He would take until the well was dry.

I needed to turn off the faucet.

I stared at my cellphone for ten long minutes.

Then I prepared a blanket text to all the team members I knew would or were most likely to have contact with my daughter and wrote the words I never imagined I would be writing.

THERE IS TO BE NO CONTACT WITH MY DAUGHTER FOR ANY REASON OR ANY BUSINESS CONDUCTED WITH HER AT THIS TIME...until further notice.

I stared at the words for 30 seconds and then hit the send button

While the events are terrible, it really does make for a great read. Looking forward to hearing more!

Quote: MaxPen

Tenured Professors

Generally yes, unless you watch child porn on an airplane. A former co-worker of mine was working with this guy when it happened. Doh.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/04/utah-man-avoids-jail-time-for-viewing-child-porn-on-boston-bound-flight/

Quote: darkoz

You still dont understand how the players card play works

Wanna bet? I know lots of people here,
2 of them explained it to me in detail.

Quote: darkoz

Your suggestion that it is one step above using a lightwand pretty much says it

That's my opinion of where this move
belongs on my rating system. I have
very little respect for crappy moves
like this, no matter how much they
bring in. It's right up there with
stuffing an extra pound of fried shrimp
in your pockets or purse at an all
you can eat restaurant.

Quote: darkoz

As for longevity show me any position in any field where someone is guaranteed not to lose their employment.

There are lots of them. It's not possible to
get fired from most gov't jobs unless
you kill somebody or just quit going
into work. It's comical that you think
this is 'employment'.

Picking up your entire life and moving after being accused of theft.

Another reaction that only a guilty person would take.

I still think there is a twist coming.

Quote: darkoz

Well guys I just spent 20 minutes writing the next part, hit the wrong button and lost it all.

Crap!

Gimme a fee hours to cool down

Do us a favor, for those of us who are in the know: just keep hitting the wrong button.

But let's assume this story is true (some of us have our doubts)...

Blabbed to others, unnecessarily, about where money and such was stashed.

Was then horrified, naively, to find out there was a robbery.

Has not/did not notify police of aforementioned robbery (for reasons that are understandable) yet won't say why a private investigator wasn't hired and prefers to become his own private dick to investigate on his own (oh, the hubris!).

And now, this AP gig has driven a wedge between father and daughter who may or may not be on speaking terms based off a mistake from the leader of this whole crew.

Like I suggested: spare us the futile attempt at creative writing and get your house in order instead (i.e. hit that "CANCEL" button again!).

This critique should not be taken as overly rude or negative as a thick skin must have been developed by now in that AP line of work.

The jealousy in this thread is palpable. Just ignore it and dust yourself off and move on as usual Darkoz.

#TeamDarkOz

Darkoz, the fact that your future son in law told your daughter the truth about his criminal past and going to prison for six years for Robbery on his own a long time ago before you found out about is a GOOD thing. A great thing. It's even better that he's been keeping up with his Parole meetings. Had he told her AFTER you found out about it, that would have been beyond horrible. The fact that he's willing to risk going back to prison by breaking in your current girlfriend's house to check if she is the one who robbed you and rob her right back and get you your stuff back if she is the one who did it proves that he is desperate to get you to trust and love him. He's about to marry your daughter! He loves her! Why would he want to steal from his Fiance's FATHER! He even said he agrees to take the lie detector test just to appease you. If I had a $500 million dollar winning Powerball ticket, do you think I'd rob a bank for $50,000? No, I wouldn't. I'd risk going to prison, losing the $50,000, AND the $500 million dollar ticket. Your daughter is the 500 million ticket in your future son in law's eyes. The stuff that was stolen from you is the $50,000 in this case. I really doubt that your future son in law is the robber.

The lesson here is that people are fallable, be it darkoz for making his operation more public than it should have been, the fact that his daughter fell in love with a convicted robber, or that fiance, with everything looking good for him, decides that the temptation of stealing trumps the life that he could lead on the straight path.

We all make decisions in our life that defy logic.

Quote: boymimbo

The lesson here is that people are fallable, be it darkoz for making his operation more public than it should have been, the fact that his daughter fell in love with a convicted robber, or that fiance, with everything looking good for him, decides that the temptation of stealing trumps the life that he could lead on the straight path.

We all make decisions in our life that defy logic.

Read my above post on why I think he is NOT the robber. I honestly think it's her EX. My opinion may be unpopular, but her EX boyfriend seems much more shadier than the ex convict former Robber.

Quote: Nathan

Read my above post on why I think he is NOT the robber. I honestly think it's her EX. My opinion may be unpopular, but her EX boyfriend seems much more shadier than the ex convict former Robber.

We only get to see the breadcrumbs that DarkOz wants us to see.

I think his girlfriend and his daughter’s fiancé are already married. The name of the movie is “Ocean’s One and a Half.”

Quote: CrystalMath

We only get to see the breadcrumbs that DarkOz wants us to see.

I think his girlfriend and his daughter’s fiancé are already married. The name of the movie is “Ocean’s One and a Half.”

Wow, I love this brilliant guess. DarkOz's girlfriend was stated to be much younger than him, so it fits,

And let's take it one step further. In order to secretly keep tabs on DarkOZ, surely his much-younger girlfriend would have joined the WOV forum in order to read his posts, right? Perhaps, as cover, she poses as a lottery numbers player from Florida?

< head exploding >

I am Spartacus.

Quote: gordonm888

Wow, I love this brilliant guess. DarkOz's girlfriend was stated to be much younger than him, so it fits,

And let's take it one step further. In order to secretly keep tabs on DarkOZ, surely his much-younger girlfriend would have joined the WOV forum in order to read his posts, right? Perhaps, as cover, she poses as a lottery numbers player from Florida?

< head exploding >

ty otkryl moy sekret! Bozhe moy, vy vzorvali moye prikrytiye! moy paren' poteryayet vse doveriye ko mne! O.O ya prosto shuchu ;)

This is going to be a double post. Was going to split it but well I have a few surprises in this one.

Through the next 2-3 hours I was fielding phone calls non-stop. That text message had naturally sent shockwaves through the team. Everyone pretty much knew my daughter and were expressing disbelief.

Team members were also calling to discuss taking trips for replacement cards. Many were going to change their pins just to be on the safe side which was fine by me. Everyone was working out their schedules.

And no one had heard from my daughter. She was not at any of her friends houses. I was concerned she would make the wrong choices due to the Svengali-like hold this man had over her.

She had been pushing for the robbery of my girlfriend. That meant she could be persuaded by her fiance theoretically into something stupid! Something criminal! Something she might not be able to simply walk away from.

Of course, I still didnt have any smoking gun evidence that it was her fiance and I was quite certain it would not appear. As I told my ex-girlfriend smoking guns dont just fall from the heavens. But I knew it was him. There was no doubt in my mind!

My mind uneasy my son tried to persuade me to eat. It had been nearly 36 hours since I had any sustenance. We went to a decent chicken spot and I ordered a leg and thigh for myself. I wasnt eating much and my son admitted maybe this was the only way to get me to lose weight.

Then his phone rang and after a moment my son said he needed to take it outside. The restaurant was too noisy.

The chicken spot had glass doors and I watched as he spent some time animatedly making gestures on the phone. He kept looking at the phone then back to his ear and then at the phone again. It was obvious he was contemplating something

I sat and watched. And ate.

After about ten minutes he hung up the phone and rejoined me.

"That was Mom. I think you need to call her."

My heart was beating. My children's mom usually only called me if there was a problem with the kids. Of course in this situation it was different. Still I knew she wouldn't call me if she had nothing to add or say.

"Have you heard from them?" I quickly asked through the earpiece.

"No, not a word. But your daughter and fiance sure ran out of here as quickly as possible. They packed everything up and left... except for one thing."

"What?"

"Her fiance left his cell phone in the charger on the wall. And it isn't password protected. I just went through it. Im gonna send you all the incriminating stuff."

"Wow!" I stammered out.

Sometimes smoking guns do fall from the heavens!

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There was no discussion of a robbery. Nothing quite as dramatic as that inside the phone.

But there was enough!

Selfies of him playing with loads of cash! Having them spread out before him!

Here are a few so you guys can see for yourself.







There were texts of him sending my full address to at least 2 people.

He was close friends with someone who openly claimed to be a lock pick pro and thief

It appeared he was conversing with other women. There was one conversation where he described his location with my address and kind of blew off when asked what he was doing there. In other words he was being secretive with this other person about his relationship with my daughter

But the most incriminating text was the following:

Here read it for yourself. I'm tired of being called a liar.



I forwarded everything to my current and ex-girlfriend. They both were finally in agreement about something.

My ex-girlfriend put it succinctly. "ITS HIM! NO DOUBTS! He just admitted he is on the run and facing 2 years out finishing his sentence when they catch him. He needs the money to make his move. Is that all your money in the pictures?"

"Well, it sure as heck ain't his. Its not all of it but he had this accomplice so I didnt expect him to have it all."

"Hes gonna run, baby. Any day now!"

"Why hasnt he run yet, that's what I'm curious about?"

"Baby, you dont know where he is! He's already run. And he has your daughter and the kids."

"Crap," I said, running my hand through my hair nervously. I could imagine the worst. "He will suggest they leave town and start anew. He might confess he has the money and talk her into running with him.
They have money, the kids, each other. Maybe she will and maybe she wont. She wants to get married so bad who knows?"

"But she has to know about his parole violation. Then she will understand there isnt going to be any marriage. He is not showing up in City Hall with his ID and obtaining court documents while probation is hunting him."

"Well, she isnt accepting my calls. And I doubt she would listen if she did."

"You can't just do nothing! They got the grandkids! They are in danger! People get desperate when they are on the run especially after this whole incident. You have to send her the pics you sent me. Then she will see them without you having to call her."

That made sense. But I ran through the different scenarios and didn't enjoy what I envisioned.

"If I just send her the texts she might pack up with the kids and quietly leave but you and I both know her. I doubt that's what would happen. More likely she will confront him, start crying and then beating him. And with him on the run who knows how dangerous that situation could become."

"Then we need to confront her face to face," suggested my ex-girlfriend. "I will talk to her. I have been in her life since she was five. I'm like a mother who's not her mother. She will listen to me. All you need to do is figure out where she is."

"That I dont know but I'm pretty certain I know where she will be tonight and the weekend. The grandkids complained Harrahs pool was for adults only and the kids pool was closed for the winter a few weeks ago. I told her to book Ocean Resorts. The pool is open for kids. She paid in advance. Its not even comped. She was supposed to meet me there Sunday. With very few places to go and the room paid in advance I'm certain we can intercept them there."

"I'll let the babysitter know for tomorrow. We'll leave in the morning. You dont know what room she is going to be in."

"I know her name! They will call her room and if we are there I dont think she will refuse to come down."

"This dude is not going to let her out of his sight if he knows you are there. You think he might try something inside a casino?"

"Most likely not but who can tell with a cornered rat. People HAVE been murdered inside casinos."

"With all them cameras?" She asked.

"The murder is on camera. You're still dead."

I thought about a solution. "We need backup in case this goes sour. Her fiance is a big guy. Six foot six."

"I know. Call your former son-in-law. We need him"

After sending the pics and telling my former son-in-law our plan it was all I could do to rein him.

"WHAT ARE WAITING FOR TOMORROW FOR. WE SHOULD BE HEADING THERE NOW. I'M GONNA BEAT THE SHIT OUTTA THIS GUY!!!!"

I explained this is a rescue operation not a revenge mission. And we didnt know what time they would be checking in tonight. Knowing my daughter it would be late. She had a bit of Vampire in her. Wake late stay up late.

With him calmed I called one more person. Might as well play this safe. One of my middle echelon boys was a big guy. Football player big!

Not only did he say he was coming he wanted to bring some other football player sized guys who he had recruited into the team. "Let me tell you they are real pissed this guy is messing with our money."

We settled on just him and my former son-in-law. I didn't want some bloodbath on my hands either. Their purpose was just protection. Seeing them should keep my daughter's fiance from doing something stupid.

When I informed my ex-girlfriend of who was joining us she was real invigorated. "Whooee! That guy aint trying shit with him in the room. He'll probably piss in his pants."

It was on. The rescue operation of my daughter and grandkids was set for the following morning.

Looks like there's a whole bill for every participant in this crazy tale. Seems hardly worth it😉

Instead of a helicopter I'm thinking you might need your own bus.

I've been silent. I think I was skeptical from the very beginning. But now that the criminal 'accidentally left his non-password protected phone' with 'incriminating pictures; I have moved over to the more likely BS than not.

I do enjoy reading this though.

Cliff notes please.

Quote: SOOPOO

I've been silent. I think I was skeptical from the very beginning. But now that the criminal 'accidentally left his non-password protected phone' with 'incriminating pictures; I have moved over to the more likely BS than not.

I do enjoy reading this though.

To be fair he is a criminal that has been caught before.

Quote: MaxPen

Looks like there's a whole bill for every participant in this crazy tale. Seems hardly worth it😉

Instead of a helicopter I'm thinking you might need your own bus.

As I said in the very first post it wasnt all my money stolen. Just what was in the safe

Its still a chunk of change

It was always the casino cards and that it was someone close to me that was the major concern

Quote: SOOPOO

I've been silent. I think I was skeptical from the very beginning. But now that the criminal 'accidentally left his non-password protected phone' with 'incriminating pictures; I have moved over to the more likely BS than not.

I do enjoy reading this though.

Lol. Physical proof provided means more likely BS.

I give up

Quote: AxelWolf

Cliff notes please.

DarkOz's daughter's fiancé is taking pics with about 20K and has the pics on an unlocked phone found by the daughters mother. DarkOz assembled a posse and is enroute to save his daughter and rescue his grandchildren. He really needs his own bus for his entourage. Hopefully, they don't have to stop for a snack on the way. The daughters fiancé has the snack bankroll.😉

Seems unlikely that DarkOz would falsify photos of cellphone messages. Naturally we can't be sure of the authenticity of anything on a chat forum, but there is no reason to be so discourteous to DarkOz.

I do wonder when daughter's fiance will realize he left his cellphone behind and hurry back to pick it up.

Quote: darkoz

Quote: MaxPen

Looks like there's a whole bill for every participant in this crazy tale. Seems hardly worth it😉

Instead of a helicopter I'm thinking you might need your own bus.

As I said in the very first post it wasnt all my money stolen. Just what was in the safe

Its still a chunk of change

It was always the casino cards and that it was someone close to me that was the major concern

I'm just having fun with your story. Please continue. Did someone tell you the life of an entertainment writer was easy?

Now I have a real problem. What self respecting gambler leaves a casino with older style $100 bills? Change those damn things for newer currency!

Quote: MaxPen

Quote: darkoz

Quote: MaxPen

Looks like there's a whole bill for every participant in this crazy tale. Seems hardly worth it😉

Instead of a helicopter I'm thinking you might need your own bus.

As I said in the very first post it wasnt all my money stolen. Just what was in the safe

Its still a chunk of change

It was always the casino cards and that it was someone close to me that was the major concern

I'm just having fun with your story. Please continue. Did someone tell you the life of an entertainment writer was easy?

You just wait till the next spring fling. Im gonna feed you the wrong answers to the Wizards quiz

(Which will be pretty easy since I probably wont know the correct answers)

Quote: SOOPOO

I've been silent. I think I was skeptical from the very beginning. But now that the criminal 'accidentally left his non-password protected phone' with 'incriminating pictures; I have moved over to the more likely BS than not.

I do enjoy reading this though.

Noticed that also. That was the clincher that this is all made up.

Quote: MaxPen

DarkOz's daughter's fiancé is taking pics with about 20K and has the pics on an unlocked phone found by the daughters mother. DarkOz assembled a posse and is enroute to save his daughter and rescue his grandchildren. He really needs his own bus for his entourage. Hopefully, they don't have to stop for a snack on the way. The daughters fiancé has the snack bankroll.😉

So... some guy who is on parole for this kind of stuff, a guy who just robbed someone.... is now taking pictures of the evidence(WHY????) And he doesn't even have a pass code on his phone? Sounds like a keeper.
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Let me guess, DarkOz will get back his crap and save the day?

Why does this all sound like some fancy way to show off that you have a little cash saved up from AP'ing? Gearing up for GWAE???

Quote: cmlotito

Now I have a real problem. What self respecting gambler leaves a casino with older style $100 bills? Change those damn things for newer currency!

Blame those damn redemption machines

I rarely go to the cashier's cage

Quote: AxelWolf

So... some guy who is on parole for this kind of stuff, a guy who just robbed someone.... is now taking pictures of the evidence(WHY????) And he doesn't even have a pass code on his phone? Sounds like a keeper.
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Let me guess, DarkOz will get back his crap and save the day?

Why does this all sound like some fancy way to show off that you have a little cash saved up from AP'ing? Gearing up for GWAE???

I refer back the warning somewhere on page 15 of this thread.

Quote: michael99000

Noticed that also.

The phones all but force to you make one when you set them up.

Quote: darkoz

I refer back the warning somewhere on page 15 of this thread.

Can you just quote it for me? I only remember the good stuff, like when people date trannys or whatever.

Quote: AxelWolf

The phones all but force to you make one when you set them up.

My last one forced me but I was surprised when my current one did not. It was optional.

Probably depends on the model

if you follow the news, you'd know these morons today brag about theirt crimes on facebook. The first thing the cops do with a suspect today, of a certain age, is check his facebook page. They'll even brag about murder. So, yeah, the dude taking pics is believable. Expected even. Discovered? Quite stroke of luck it seems. But the assertion at face value is quite believable to me.

Quote: CrystalMath

The name of the movie is

"Ocean's i"

Yeah it's pretty normal AFAIK for criminals and whatnot to show off on facebook, twitter, etc.

Something you gotta realize is that not everyone thinks through stuff properly. It's a totally different world and mentality. Instead of thinking stuff through properly and laying low, coming up with an actually good plan, etc. they're just gonna post pictures on their social media and be like, "Ya boy big triple T to the Tyrone home doggy be coming up on the come up with the G's, let's do illicit drugs and smoke the devil's romaine lettuce while showing off our toxic masculinity."


But if this story is true, that money prob all gone or much of it.

Assuming this isn't just a bunch of crap, your only viable option is to drop a dime on him.

Let the cops sort it out.

Or not.

Quote: RS

Yeah it's pretty normal AFAIK for criminals and whatnot to show off on facebook, twitter, etc.

Something you gotta realize is that not everyone thinks through stuff properly. It's a totally different world and mentality. Instead of thinking stuff through properly and laying low, coming up with an actually good plan, etc. they're just gonna post pictures on their social media and be like, "Ya boy big triple T to the Tyrone home doggy be coming up on the come up with the G's, let's do illicit drugs and smoke the devil's romaine lettuce while showing off our toxic masculinity."


But if this story is true, that money prob all gone or much of it.

Ya, I'm aware there are people like this. Certainly not the kind of person I would have doing anything for me, or let them know anything about me and what I do. If they are that dumb, you should be able to spot that after like 2 minutes.

I cant recall, but did DarkOZ say if he had a security system? I would think TMFSAPOTEC would have one, especially if you knew some chump like that was dating your daughter.

It sounds like his daughter is a real winner.

Quote: MrV

It sounds like his daughter is a real winner.

That's pretty uncalled for in my opinion.

Quote: MaxPen

That's pretty uncalled for in my opinion.

I’ve always thought of you as the moral compass of this forum...

Quote: MaxPen

That's pretty uncalled for in my opinion.

Really?

What, do you applaud her actions as described?

Besides, for whatever reason the OP decided to post all the personal details, obviously expecting both criticism and sympathy.

She seems to be a real ditz, not to mention a back-stabber.

Whatever, it's all just butterflies and lollipops.

Quote: MrV

Really?

What, do you applaud her actions as described?

Besides, for whatever reason the OP decided to post all the personal details, obviously expecting both criticism and sympathy.

She seems to be a real ditz, not to mention a back-stabber.

Whatever, it's all just butterflies and lollipops.

She's not a backstabber, she's just in love . And the fact that they took the kids with them when they ran off leads me to think that he fathered them or at least thinks of them as his own which is why he took them along. He didn't want to be without his kids/kid figures.