Health and Weight Loss
Quote: MaxPenWhatever it is, you should go get it checked ASAP. Just based on everything you have been saying, it is obvious that you may not be in the best of health currently. I would not blame the diet so much as past actions. Do not let this be an excuse to dampen your progress moving forward. In no time you will be healthy. Wishing you well.
I have had kidney stones in the past so I know the diet probably had nothing to do with it.
Btw I passed 2 stones and all seems well now.. for now. Amazing how you go from incredible pain to zero pain just like that. Although now I am tired as hell since I was up all night
I didn't know those bastards could build up so quickly.
I'd read up on that stuff regarding too much fructose on your cheat days.
I probably will too. I have no history of kidney stones but I'd like to keep it that way.
Quote: RigondeauxNice.
I didn't know those bastards could build up so quickly.
I'd read up on that stuff regarding too much fructose on your cheat days.
I probably will too. I have no history of kidney stones but I'd like to keep it that way.
someone told me that on keto you should buy lemons and suck the juice or put them in water everyday to help kidneys. I guess the citrite or something helps breakdown the protein.
Sorry to hear that you are having health issues. Hope you have a quick recovery. Did you seek medical advice this time? I've read about kidney issues from protein overdose and it sorts of makes sense that dramatically changing your fluid intake would mess up the kidneys. If you were doing seriously disruptive stuff to your body, such as the big fasting, sudden diet change, sudden fluid intake, then it would seem likely that the recent health issues are at least related. Can you get a consultation with a dietician as part of your health service plan? Excuse the ignorance, but it's the sort of service I just enrolled for at my local doctors practice, mostly to deal with my own bad living habits 😀 Dunno if you guys get 'free' preventative health advice as we do.Quote: GWAEsomeone told me that on keto you should buy lemons and suck the juice or put them in water everyday to help kidneys. I guess the citrite or something helps breakdown the protein.
I usually just buy lemon juice and lime juice, squirt it into a plastic cup and add bottled water.
The tap water here is dreadful. If I had a pet, I think it would be on bottled water as well.
I'm presently taking refuge in reminding myself that I am not gaining weight but I really do want to start losing it.
Hard to get off sugar. Remember when raisin bran had only the raisins as sugar? Now everything is dosed with sugar and usually under several different names. I had one of these prepared salads yesterday (3.00 less 1.00 off). Tiny little bowl of green stuff with a tray of various stuff on top, its own plastic fork and a tiny little round container of some sort of drippy stuff to moisten the green stuff. Supposedly its healthful.
I had a large can of tuna fish with a few dollops of mayonnaise and sufficient bread to eat the darned stuff, maybe eight slices. That was probably not quite as healthy, but there comes a time when the focus is not on health but on weight.
I recently moved to a new neighborhood and I keep telling myself that I'm going to the lower quality grocery store for their slightly lower prices but in reality I am avoiding the more upscale store a block away because they have a free scale there.
I've got to do dog-sitting duty soon and that means bending to feed, water, pet, etc. I really will hate to show up and let the owners see me still so obese that I can't bend at all. Health? No, I want weight loss. Trouble is that "will power" thing and "convenience food" thing.
Lol. Pass the screen wipes: I just spat beer all over my screen.Quote: FleaStiffI am avoiding the more upscale store a block away because they have a free scale there.
Convenience food is a 5h1t isn't it? We each have to find our own motivation and our own path, whether it's keto, weight watchers or just avoiding certain situations. Think of your quest as the ultimate advantage play: Better quality of life. Longer life. More self esteem. Maybe even more money in your pocket. What's the downside of eating better? Whatever you define as better?Quote:Trouble is that "will power" thing and "convenience food" thing.
You're welcome?
And forum members complain that my posts are worthless! At least the makers of Screen Wipes and bracket creators during March Madness will always enjoy my posts.Quote: OnceDearLol. Pass the screen wipes: I just spat beer all over my screen.
The upside is a bit vague and remote in time whereas the downside is more clearly defined and immediate. It is like that supermarket conversation I over heard several years ago. A woman who no longer had a husband or had any children living at home admitted she just ate prepared foods rather than cooking things that were fresh and healthy. Its the same concept in community medicine: addressing the diet of the poor or elderly will have tremendous financial savings in later years but since it is remote in time and remote in place its often a great obstacle. The medical programs for the elderly would greatly benefit by better dental hygiene for the elderly but few dentists want to give free care now just to save the taxpayers paying for a cardiac operation a decade or so later.Quote: OnceDearThink of your quest as the ultimate advantage play: Better quality of life. Longer life. More self esteem. Maybe even more money in your pocket. What's the downside of eating better? Whatever you define as better?
Quote: BTLWII've done 3,5,9,13 day fasts. I'd only recommend 3 day max now. That should be long enough for benefits of autophagy, insulin reduction, norephedrine increase etc...
Any longer and you'll spend every waking moment thinking about food and watching 12 hours of food videos on YouTube.
The great thing about carnivore is there is zero hunger but still weight loss. If you're hungry you eat.
This is something I cannot find a consensus on. For weighr loss and minor stuff short fasts are clearly all you need.
I've seen some say the real autophagy and disease prevention doesn't kick in for 3 days. Some say 7. Others say 24 hours.
Some say you can reap the full benefits with a fast mimicking diet, which sounds like child's play. You eat half calories one day, then basically 2 Avacado a day for 4 days.
Others say just salt and water.
I'm going to do at least a 5 day water fast with coffee and tea this year. Might as well.
Quote: GWAEI made an appointment with a nephrologist but nor until the 20th. Hopefully I dont have many issues until then. I have passed about 9 stones today and I currently have one that may be lodged in my urethra. Burns like hell, but at least it's not the same pain as when they were lodged in my ureter. Gonna be an interesting week in Atlantic city. I am sure the worst will happen and I will be in their er.
Drink Cosmopolitans while in AC. Cranberry juice, lemon, vodka. Will help with the urine issue. Virgin Cosmo if you're not drinking alcohol.
Good luck. Hope it's not debilitating.
As ever, a very helpful post.Quote: beachbumbabsDrink Cosmopolitans while in AC. Cranberry juice, lemon, vodka. Will help with the urine issue. Virgin Cosmo if you're not drinking alcohol.
Quote: beachbumbabsDrink Cosmopolitans while in AC. Cranberry juice, lemon, vodka. Will help with the urine issue. Virgin Cosmo if you're not drinking alcohol.
I wish Babs was my doctor.
Quote: GWAEI made an appointment with a nephrologist but nor until the 20th. Hopefully I dont have many issues until then. I have passed about 9 stones today and I currently have one that may be lodged in my urethra. Burns like hell, but at least it's not the same pain as when they were lodged in my ureter. Gonna be an interesting week in Atlantic city. I am sure the worst will happen and I will be in their er.
Fortunately there’s an ER pretty much attached to Ceasars.
So can anyone tell me what the heck it is that gets so intensified in food storage cans? BPA?
See I know that a can of baked beans and tomato sauce will induce weight loss but for the life of me I can't see it as either the beans or the tomatoes doing the weight loss work, its got to be a contaminant or something, but I just can't locate an article I read a long time ago. (Ofcourse with my memory it just might have been yesterday).
LycopeneQuote: FleaStiffForgive me folks. I've tried to search my computer's hard drive which is no mean feat when I have to use these pudgy fingers to hit a screen with tiny little boxes. I've also tried to search my "biological hard drive" which I swear hasn't been working right for some time.
So can anyone tell me what the heck it is that gets so intensified in food storage cans? BPA?
See I know that a can of baked beans and tomato sauce will induce weight loss but for the life of me I can't see it as either the beans or the tomatoes doing the weight loss work, its got to be a contaminant or something, but I just can't locate an article I read a long time ago. (Ofcourse with my memory it just might have been yesterday).
article here
Not a nightmare. But I do feel underpowered and it's hard to work.
If I don't feel much better tomorrow I might switch over to a fast mimicking diet and try to do a couple days on avacados. Or just try to make 72 hours and eat normally.
I probably ate under 1200 calories the day before I started fasting. That's actually the first day of the 5 day mimicking diet.
Gonna do a light work out, consume a little salt, water and lemon and see how that feels.
Quote: GWAEWell while you are fasting I drank a few 6 packs of beer
It's a process of ups and downs but this seems like self destruction.
If you must get severely wrecked on vacation why choose the worst possible delivery mechanism for the alcohol?
Something else is going on with that.
Quote: GWAEWell while you are fasting I drank a few 6 packs of beer
I hope you are at least being beer smart:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/alcohol#beer
Quote: billryanAnyone know anything about these patches that put the body in a state of ketosis?
Sounds like a gimmick. Do you have a link? Never heard of such a thing.
Quote: DRichI hope you are at least being beer smart:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/alcohol#beer
A bottle of Corona Light has more carbs than a six pack of Michelob Ultra. Who'd have thunk?
Feel better. Though drinking it makes my stomach spring to life for a second and demand more.
I should hit 72 hours by about 8. Its now 2:00. Smooth sailing. Then, all I have to do is get to bed time for another 6 or 7 hours free.
5 days seems quite possible.
Mainly, I just miss the enjoyment of eating.
Serious question.. Were you joking, or have you 'postponed' the Keto diet?Quote: GWAEWell while you are fasting I drank a few 6 packs of beer
Hope the health issues are resolved.
Quote: RigondeauxNever heard of any patch.
It's a process of ups and downs but this seems like self destruction.
If you must get severely wrecked on vacation why choose the worst possible delivery mechanism for the alcohol?
Something else is going on with that.
One of the reasons I am in AC this week is for a conference. We had a reception last night and I could drink beer or wine so I chose beer. To be fair though it was Coors light so it was basically water. I had maybe 8 over the course of 3 hours.
Quote: OnceDearSerious question.. Were you joking, or have you 'postponed' the Keto diet?
Hope the health issues are resolved.
It has been the plan since keto started that this week was going to be bad. Part of my conference is going to a dinner and breakfast every day.
I have felt good all week so hopefully I am over those damn stones.
Well, I'm glad the stones are history.Quote: GWAEIt has been the plan since keto started that this week was going to be bad. Part of my conference is going to a dinner and breakfast every day.
I have felt good all week so hopefully I am over those damn stones.
It will be interesting to read the weight gain damage (if any) from this conference. You were doing so well.
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Quote: OnceDearWell, I'm glad the stones are history.
It will be interesting to read the weight gain damage (if any) from this conference. You were doing so well.
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I will be interested as well. We will be home on Sunday morning. We need to do grocery shopping so Sunday will be a little bad as well but no pop or anything. I will be full force keto again on Monday. I dont plan on weighing myself until Wednesday morning. I want to give myself 2 days to get rid of some water weight since I know that will be an issue based on the foods I ate.
Quote:Seidelmann and colleagues poured over the medical histories of nearly 15,500 men and women who were 45-64 when they enrolled -- between 1987 and 1889 -- in a health survey spread across four locations in the United States.
Participants filled out detailed questionnaires about their dietary habits -- what foods, how much, how often, etc.
Over a 25-year follow up period, more than 6,000 of the men and women died.
People who got 50-55 percent of their calories from carbohydrates outlived those with very low-carb diets, on average, by four years, and those with high-carb diets by one year.
A review of medical records for an additional 432,000 people from earlier studies yield confirmed the results, which are also in line with World Health Organization (WHO) recommendations.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/low-carb-diet-linked-to-elevated-mortality-risk-study/ar-BBM1XHr?ocid=spartandhp
Quote: GWAEI have felt good all week so hopefully I am over those damn stones.
"Uric acid stones are formed by a diet high in animal proteins, or from excessive uric acid production from within the body." Kidney Stone Prevention
Beer (41% lower risk), is better than Pepsi (23% higher risk).
"Consumption of sugar-sweetened soda and punch is associated with a higher risk of stone formation, whereas consumption of coffee, tea, beer, wine, and orange juice is associated with a lower risk." NCBI
Quote: rxwineI'm only the messenger.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/low-carb-diet-linked-to-elevated-mortality-risk-study/ar-BBM1XHr?ocid=spartandhp
I've seen something similar. One of the fasting doctors mentioned the morbidity studies on keto so I looked it up.
I can think of a number of issues. But primarily the distinction between carbs and net carbs. Back when I ate food I ate mountains of peppers, mushrooms, broccoli and spinach along with a handful of nuts and blueberries every day. But this was still a low net carb diet.
I feel good doing it and lost weight.
I am pretty convinced that eating less healthy foods that are high fat is better. E.g salami or pork rinds > potato chips or brownies.
But I would not attempt to live off salami and pork rinds.
Quote: RigondeauxI start drinking a concoction of Evian, salt, baking soda, apple cider vinegar, lemon juice and no salt.
Feel better. Though drinking it makes my stomach spring to life for a second and demand more.
I should hit 72 hours by about 8. Its now 2:00. Smooth sailing. Then, all I have to do is get to bed time for another 6 or 7 hours free.
5 days seems quite possible.
Mainly, I just miss the enjoyment of eating.
With all due respect, I would not want my uber driver showing up on Day four of a fasting experiment.
I blew it by falling asleep a little early. Wanted to wake up later.
I've heard day 2 or 3 will be the worst. Only been awake an hour but I do feel fine after feeling moderately crappy on day 3.
I would love to eat. But unless I feel ill effects I'm pretty determined to complete 5 days. I will at some point. Why not When I am 80% done?
Then 7 days is on the table.
It will be tempting to go on a rampage when I am done.
Quote: billryanWith all due respect, I would not want my uber driver showing up on Day four of a fasting experiment.
Probably true. Though might be better than an obese driver who is on a sugar crash after eating a snickers and a slurpy for lunch.
I'm not doing that anyway, but I did a lot of work yesterday. It was pretty taxing in the middle part of the day. Started to feel better about 9pm.
I always feel best at night so I'm trying to minimize day time and max night time.
Quote:Don Gorske has been eating the same burger for 46 years.
The 64-year-old Wisconsin native consumed his 30,000th McDonald’s Big Mac in the same location where he had his first taste of the burger when he was 18, Thrillist reports. Gorske, a retired prison guard, broke the Guinness World Record for Most Big Macs consumed in August 2016, when he chowed down on his 28,788th burger.
Priorto Gorske’s first bite of his milestone burger on Friday, a crowd gathered to watch him eat the all-beef patty topped with special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, wedged inside a sesame-seed bun.
According to his own estimations, backed up by receipts, wrappers, and old containers, Gorske concludes it took him 365 days to eat his first 1,000 Big Macs, and has only forgone the burger around eight days over the past 46 years. On average, he’s consumed nearly two Big Macs each day.
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You may imagine that an all-Big Mac diet would make him extremely unhealthy, but Gorske once he appeared on the The Ellen Degeneres Show to have his cholesterol checked—and it reported at a steady 140 mg/dL. In 2006, he ran the San Diego marathon and crossed the finish line holding his 21,387th Big Mac.
“People make fun of me, but it never bothered me,” he told the Fond du Lac Reporter. “At my last medical check-up I had low cholesterol and my blood pressure was perfect.”
https://people.com/food/mcdonalds-big-mac-supersize-me-don-gorske-world-record/There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
I do not feel great. Heard many speak of energy and mental clarity at this point. I feel the opposite.
Barring a shift, I will prob complete 5 days then switch to fast mimicking for the remaining 2, meaning a couple avacados a day along with my salt and lemon beverage.
I think eating a normal meal will be orgasmic.
Quote: billryanAnyone use Yerba Mate? It's starting to trend in the States. I had it a few times at an Argentinean bakery in NY a few years back. I thought it was tasteless without cream and sugar but supposedly it incorporates the best aspects of coffee and green tea.
I just read some about it. Sounds pretty good. No caffeine. I'm considering quitting so that would be nice.
Quote: billryanAnyone use Yerba Mate? It's starting to trend in the States. I had it a few times at an Argentinean bakery in NY a few years back. I thought it was tasteless without cream and sugar but supposedly it incorporates the best aspects of coffee and green tea.
I thought it tasted like dirt, but I only tried to once several years ago so I’d be interested in re-visiting it.
Apparently to make it correctly and get the full benefits,
you need to brew it and sip it out of an (artificial) gourd. At least that is the traditional preparation.
Millions of dollars are wasted on gym memberships when what most people need is the equivalent of police ankle bracelet and someone to call them or bang on their door and yell at them, "Hey, you're still not doing your walk today. Get out there!"
My main objective with a longer fast was to obtain and continue autophagy, the process of cellular renewal. But I definitely dropped some fat as well.
I'm transitioning to a variation of the fast mimicking diet advocated by Dr. long.
I watched an interview with Dr. Jason Fung in which he suggested that the main thing that turns off autophagy is protein, which explains the fast mimicking diet of just Avacado and a supplement.
No supplement. I had one Avacado with some olive oil and aji sauce. It was extremely enjoyable. I feel a bit better. Im waiting a while for number 2.
I'll eat a little more than that. Stuff with very little protein such as dark chocolate for the next 2 days. Ill keep it around 1k calories so I keep burning fat and undesirable cells. I hope to maintain a high level of autophagy and ketosis.
Going to eat like a king on Tuesday.
Quote: RigondeauxGoing to eat like a king on Tuesday.
I’m not sure if you’re serious about this and you’re gonna go to Waffle House......or you’re gonna be like, “Yes I’ll have the candy fruit salad with walnuts, with a side of avocado/pesto dipping sauce for my pork grinds”.
Quote: RSI’m not sure if you’re serious about this and you’re gonna go to Waffle House......or you’re gonna be like, “Yes I’ll have the candy fruit salad with walnuts, with a side of avocado/pesto dipping sauce for my pork grinds”.
I'm going to have you and DJ dress in revealing clothes and feed me grapes while I tear apart a giant turkey leg.
