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October 2nd, 2021 at 6:46:45 AM permalink
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Just call them a liar, scammer, fraud or delusional bragger and take your three days.

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    For some of us with a nice history, it'd be much more than 3 days!
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 7:01:49 AM permalink
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    Mods, rather than negotiate what the meaning of an insult is and worry that I might cross a line, can you give me a sentence I can write and not get suspended, word for word please, when I believe someone is a liar, scammer, fraud or delusional bragger?

    Please, just one allowable sentence.

    If you just provide the words we can say, then I will use them, and maybe others will too. And we will have your blessing that this language is okay and pre-approved.

    There are liars, scammers, frauds and delusional braggers posting on this site today. I look forward to knowing how to respond to them.

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    Just curious. When youíre standing in line say at a fast food place or movies or anywhere else in public and someone says something or does something you donít agree with, do you square off on them?
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 7:17:36 AM permalink
    Quote: Marcusclark66

    Just curious. When youíre standing in line say at a fast food place or movies or anywhere else in public and someone says something or does something you donít agree with, do you square off on them?

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    I think it depends on the situation. I think the reason people "square off" with people on this forum is because this forum was built and founded on the principles of math, and gambling statistics. For those of us who have been around awhile, if you came on here claiming a betting system worked, bragged, made claims of 60 winning hands in a row, or saw 18 yo's in a row, you'd be quick to get ran by the majority. That stuff never happened years ago and if it did, you were attacked from all angles by multiple members. Those claims go against everything these forums were built on.

    I can assure you of this. If someone claims one of these things, the majority don't believe it. Some may never say a word, but still don't believe it and a select few will actually speak up.

    I've never heard someone say something in a fast food restaurant or movie that I felt the need to "square off" on. I have done itr in casinos multiple times. I play the don't in craps religiously. I've "squared off" on many players in a live casino that tried to say I was betting against them, I was ruining the mojo of the table, creating bad karma, the reason they were losing, etc... Those are all false claims and what I am doing on the don't has 0 effect on the table. If people make ridiculous claims to me, I will 100% call them out. When I was younger I even did so at the expense of a butt kicking. It is what it is.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 7:31:10 AM permalink
    Quote: Marcusclark66


    Just curious. When youíre standing in line say at a fast food place or movies or anywhere else in public and someone says something or does something you donít agree with, do you square off on them?

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    Answering only for myself, uhh, yeah. It's not the person behind the counter's fault that some jerk needs to make someone cry to feel better; she's just there to take people's money and hand out cheeseburgers.

    As far as scammers, yeah. I'll mention "That sounds like a scam" (or similar) so that a more gullible mark can overhear.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 9:27:41 AM permalink
    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 9:32:18 AM permalink
    Of course if you've watched Curb Your Enthusiasm you know that dinner parties sometimes get out of hand. Then again, that's comic theater.

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    October 2nd, 2021 at 2:03:34 PM permalink
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    You may say, "I don't believe you."

    Using this site to sell betting systems or commit other such fraud is one of the most serious offenses. We welcome reports of such behavior by PM and encourage spying to help uncover it, in cases where the scamming is not overt.

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    "I don't believe you."= You're an idiot, only a fool would believe you, you're a lying ____ of @$|+!
    ♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 2:11:14 PM permalink
    Quote: Marcusclark66

    Quote: teliot

    Mods, rather than negotiate what the meaning of an insult is and worry that I might cross a line, can you give me a sentence I can write and not get suspended, word for word please, when I believe someone is a liar, scammer, fraud or delusional bragger?

    Please, just one allowable sentence.

    If you just provide the words we can say, then I will use them, and maybe others will too. And we will have your blessing that this language is okay and pre-approved.

    There are liars, scammers, frauds and delusional braggers posting on this site today. I look forward to knowing how to respond to them.

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    Just curious. When youíre standing in line say at a fast food place or movies or anywhere else in public and someone says something or does something you donít agree with, do you square off on them?
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    Of course! I live in NYC.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 2:11:33 PM permalink
    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: Wizard

    You may say, "I don't believe you."

    Using this site to sell betting systems or commit other such fraud is one of the most serious offenses. We welcome reports of such behavior by PM and encourage spying to help uncover it, in cases where the scamming is not overt.

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    "I don't believe you."= You're an idiot, only a fool would believe you, you're a lying ____ of @$|+!
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    Only if delivered with the right tone of voice.
    I don't believe you..... will be thanked by Wizard for that post.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 2:20:24 PM permalink
    Quote: AxelWolf

    "I don't believe you."= You're an idiot, only a fool would believe you, you're a lying ____ of @$|+!

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    I don't believe you mean that.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 2:47:54 PM permalink
    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: Wizard

    You may say, "I don't believe you."

    Using this site to sell betting systems or commit other such fraud is one of the most serious offenses. We welcome reports of such behavior by PM and encourage spying to help uncover it, in cases where the scamming is not overt.

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    "I don't believe you."= You're an idiot, only a fool would believe you, you're a lying ____ of @$|+!
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    I think "I don't believe that" could also be used.
    This would have the advantage of clearly addressing the post, not the poster.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 2:49:22 PM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    Someone who makes up stories that are not believable would be very annoying at a dinner party.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 2:52:45 PM permalink
    Quote: FinsRule

    Someone who makes up stories that are not believable would be very annoying at a dinner party.

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    To the contrary. They'd be entertaining.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 3:00:54 PM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    Quote: FinsRule

    Someone who makes up stories that are not believable would be very annoying at a dinner party.

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    To the contrary. They'd be entertaining.
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    So can food-fights but they can annoy the host.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 3:55:54 PM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    Anything is acceptable at my dinner parties.
    ♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 4:07:32 PM permalink
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    Anything is acceptable at my dinner parties.

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    People like me tend to eat alone.. I don't even like eating in restaurants around other people. Eating is like using the bathroom, why would I want to watch other people do it. There is something primitive and disgusting about sticking food in your mouth and chewing it. Think about it. We tolerate being in public places where people are shoving food in their faces but when it comes out the other end nobody wants to see that. What's the difference, it's all part of the same process. It's all disgusting.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 4:22:30 PM permalink
    Eating doesnít smell bad and you donít have to be naked to do it.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 4:26:52 PM permalink
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    Quote: AxelWolf

    Anything is acceptable at my dinner parties.

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    People like me tend to eat alone.. I don't even like eating in restaurants around other people. Eating is like using the bathroom, why would I want to watch other people do it. There is something primitive and disgusting about sticking food in your mouth and chewing it. Think about it. We tolerate being in public places where people are shoving food in their faces but when it comes out the other end nobody wants to see that. What's the difference, it's all part of the same process. It's all disgusting.
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    I don't know why people like to eat together, it's just a normal thing to do. I'm sure there's a biological reason why.
    ♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 4:26:54 PM permalink
    Quote: EvenBob

    Eating is like using the bathroom, why would I want to watch other people do it. There is something primitive and disgusting about sticking food in your mouth and chewing it. Think about it. We tolerate being in public places where people are shoving food in their faces but when it comes out the other end nobody wants to see that. What's the difference, it's all part of the same process. It's all disgusting.

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    And having seen some of your delicious culinary presentations, I can see some similarity.

    Maybe I just have different perversions in that I relish the intimacy of sharing the eating experience, maybe more so with those I'm already intimate with, granted. Restaurant eating is somewhat different. Have you ever noticed how you don't just plonk yourself down at someone else's table in a restaurant?

    Best case scenario for me is sharing the harvesting, preparation, cooking, eating, and napping after. What happens after that is... well, private.

    But seriously.... To each his own.

    And now to rebuke a few us for the hijack. To get back to Alan's 'Dinner party etiquette' idea. Not a bad analogy.
    We are all just guests here, except Host Wizard and us servants. Please respect the host and servants.

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    October 2nd, 2021 at 4:44:33 PM permalink
    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: EvenBob

    Quote: AxelWolf

    Anything is acceptable at my dinner parties.

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    People like me tend to eat alone.. I don't even like eating in restaurants around other people. Eating is like using the bathroom, why would I want to watch other people do it. There is something primitive and disgusting about sticking food in your mouth and chewing it. Think about it. We tolerate being in public places where people are shoving food in their faces but when it comes out the other end nobody wants to see that. What's the difference, it's all part of the same process. It's all disgusting.
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    I don't know why people like to eat together, it's just a normal thing to do. I'm sure there's a biological reason why.
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    In the caveman days, you probably wanted some backup in case a wild animal decided that it was going to make your dinner, and you, its dinner.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 4:55:24 PM permalink
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    And having seen some of your delicious culinary presentations,

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    Sorry, everything can't be fried in lard or covered in chocolate. Or swimming in butter or covered in sugar. Sometimes you have to realize that the food you put in your body is what builds your body or tears it down. Damn those pesky choices..
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 6:58:22 PM permalink
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    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    Someone who makes up stories that are not believable would be very annoying at a dinner party.
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    FinsRule,

    I immediately thought of this scene from the 1979 comedy "The In-Laws":



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    October 2nd, 2021 at 7:32:34 PM permalink
    That movie is on my list to see. I might need to move it to the top. I love Falk.
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    October 2nd, 2021 at 9:00:29 PM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    This post, and the way Alan in general conducts himself on the forum, make it clear he's an old school gentleman. Which is a good thing in any book.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 1:25:17 AM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    This post, and the way Alan in general conducts himself on the forum, make it clear he's an old school gentleman. Which is a good thing in any book.
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    Thank you Mdawg.

    I can use another analogy. Make believe you're having a discussion with the President of the United States. How would you talk to him?

    I think I'm the only person on this forum who has talked to four Presidents.

    I try to show forum members the same respect... even when I asked the Presidents the ONE question they never want to be asked: what's your position on abortion? (They know whatever they say will alienate half the voters.)
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 2:11:02 AM permalink
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    I think I'm the only person on this forum who has talked to four Presidents.

    Unfortunately, around here the 18 yo thing will forever be what you are known for 😥
    ♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 3:47:11 AM permalink
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    Unfortunately, around here the 18 yo thing will forever be what you are known for 😥

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    And to the rest of the world I'm known for changing the Consumer Price Index, the way Unemployment stats are reported, the consumer protection laws for gasoline retailing, and for being one of the first TV reporters to cover the famine in Ethiopia.

    You can continue to be the GOAT of APs.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 4:00:58 AM permalink
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    That movie is on my list to see. I might need to move it to the top. I love Falk.

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    The chemistry between FALK and ALAN ARKIN is hilarious, imho.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 4:12:53 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    Quote: MDawg

    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    This post, and the way Alan in general conducts himself on the forum, make it clear he's an old school gentleman. Which is a good thing in any book.
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    Thank you Mdawg.

    I can use another analogy. Make believe you're having a discussion with the President of the United States. How would you talk to him?

    I think I'm the only person on this forum who has talked to four Presidents.

    I try to show forum members the same respect... even when I asked the Presidents the ONE question they never want to be asked: what's your position on abortion? (They know whatever they say will alienate half the voters.)
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    The talking to the President is a very good analogy.

    They are all lying but you can't call them a liar to their face either. (There's no partisanship in that statement so hope it's not considered political.)
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 5:45:37 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    Alan, I agree! But if someone comes to my dinner party and claims they saw someone roll 19 yoís in a row they would no longer be invited to any dinner party Iím throwing. Why would I want to be around someone that is either delusional or a liar? Those are the only two possibilities. If you can correct me and point out a third possibility Iím all ears.

    As best I can recall no one has made the 19 yoís in a row claim here so the above is of course just a hypotheticalÖ.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 6:24:20 AM permalink
    Quote: SOOPOO

    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    Alan, I agree! But if someone comes to my dinner party and claims they saw someone roll 19 yoís in a row they would no longer be invited to any dinner party Iím throwing. Why would I want to be around someone that is either delusional or a liar? Those are the only two possibilities. If you can correct me and point out a third possibility Iím all ears.

    As best I can recall no one has made the 19 yoís in a row claim here so the above is of course just a hypotheticalÖ.
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    I don't know that I would associate with someone who would not invite someone to dinner because they made a claim about "19 yo's in a row."

    Of all the little, insignificant things to judge someone by... this is it. It takes a little person to set the bar this low for picking friends.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 6:38:01 AM permalink
    Quote: SOOPOO

    Why would I want to be around someone that is either delusional or a liar? Those are the only two possibilities. If you can correct me and point out a third possibility Iím all ears.

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    There are other possibilities, but they do tend to involve insulting the other guest. We don't do that!
    Many of us have some defect....
    Why would I want to be around someone that is delusional...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is dishonest...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is painfully honest...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is confused...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is forgetful...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is remembers things that didn't happen...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is overweight...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is anorexic...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is ugly...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is vain...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is different to me...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is just like me...

    We all have to decide those things for ourselves.

    Apart from Wizard, we are all guests at the same dinner party. We are not locked in.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 6:38:52 AM permalink
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    I don't know that I would associate with someone who would not invite someone to dinner because they made a claim about "19 yo's in a row."

    Of all the little, insignificant things to judge someone by... this is it. It takes a little person to set the bar this low for picking friends.

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    I think it depends on who the company is. My experience with gamblers is that it's a natural tendency of them to try to one up one another with their stories, not just of highly improbable events, but winnings, etc...

    That being the case, if I'm going to dine with a group of gamblers, or even with one other gambler, I expect to have my company attempt to top any story that I may happen to tell if the topic comes up. That's one of the reasons that I don't even try to compete. For instance, I don't even have anything in the neighborhood of 18 Yos at the Craps Table, but admittedly, I haven't been playing Craps as long as you have or nearly as frequently when I do play.

    Anyway, it's all a question of whether or not you want to dine with gamblers, in my opinion. Alternatively, I guess they could all agree not to bring it up, in advance. I certainly don't want to talk shop at dinner, unless it's about new AP plays; I talk about gambling enough on here, in my paid writings and with the people I network with.

    Either way, in general terms, here are the two things I expect when talking to gamblers:

    1.) That they will frequently try to one-up one another to have the best story.

    AND:

    2.) That I should probably take whatever it is they claim, divide it by anywhere from 2 to 10 (depending on the exact nature of the claim and whether or not it relates directly to money) and assume that is going to be closer to the actual events that took place.

    I guess you could call me a cynic, and I'm not going to name anyone in particular, but I don't believe most of what most people say---when it comes to gambling, anyway.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 6:40:53 AM permalink
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    Why would I want to be around someone that is either delusional or a liar? Those are the only two possibilities. If you can correct me and point out a third possibility Iím all ears.

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    There are other possibilities, but they do tend to involve insulting the other guest. We don't do that!
    Many of us have some defect....
    Why would I want to be around someone that is delusional...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is dishonest...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is painfully honest...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is confused...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is forgetful...
    Why would I want to be around someone that remembers things that didn't happen...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is overweight...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is anorexic...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is ugly...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is vain...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is different to me...
    Why would I want to be around someone that is just like me...

    We all have to decide those things for ourselves.

    Apart from Wizard, we are all guests at the same dinner party. We are not locked in.
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    Was the dinner party supposed to be a metaphor or an example? I took it as an example and figured he was referring to a literal dinner party. My advice for those who expect not to/don't want to hear any tall tales on gambling message boards is simply to never read gambling message boards.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 6:41:54 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson


    Of all the little, insignificant things to judge someone by... this is it. It takes a little person to set the bar this low for picking friends.

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    Somewhat insulting, Alan. Looks like a pretty direct personal attack on SooPoo.
    No penalty this time. Soopoo had come close to making an implied insult himself.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 6:47:41 AM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Quote: OnceDear


    We all have to decide those things for ourselves.

    Apart from Wizard, we are all guests at the same dinner party. We are not locked in.

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    Was the dinner party supposed to be a metaphor or an example? I took it as an example and figured he was referring to a literal dinner party. My advice for those who expect not to/don't want to hear any tall tales on gambling message boards is simply to never read gambling message boards.
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    Mine was a metaphor. Apologies if that was not clear.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 7:04:14 AM permalink
    Quote: OnceDear

    Quote: AlanMendelson


    Of all the little, insignificant things to judge someone by... this is it. It takes a little person to set the bar this low for picking friends.

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    Somewhat insulting, Alan. Looks like a pretty direct personal attack on SooPoo.
    No penalty this time. Soopoo had come close to making an implied insult himself.
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    My father was a mob lawyer. Some of his best friends were criminals.

    One of my best friends is in prison for life for murdering at least two people. He pleaded guilty to one murder to escape the death penalty. He's been accused of many more.

    He will always be my friend.

    So when I say barring a dinner guest over a claim of 19 yos in a row is pretty low, I'm not kidding.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 7:16:13 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    Quote: OnceDear

    Quote: AlanMendelson


    Of all the little, insignificant things to judge someone by... this is it. It takes a little person to set the bar this low for picking friends.

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    Somewhat insulting, Alan. Looks like a pretty direct personal attack on SooPoo.
    No penalty this time. Soopoo had come close to making an implied insult himself.
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    My father was a mob lawyer. Some of his best friends were criminals.

    One of my best friends is in prison for life for murdering at least two people. He pleaded guilty to one murder to escape the death penalty. He's been accused of many more.

    He will always be my friend.

    So when I say barring a dinner guest over a claim of 19 yos in a row is pretty low, I'm not kidding.
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    Alan,
    You said " It takes a little person to set the bar this low". "This low" was where Soopoo was setting the bar.
    Therein lies your Personal insult to SooPoo.
    Whether it's true or not and whether it fits your life experience is academic.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 7:30:44 AM permalink
    Quote: OnceDear

    Quote: AlanMendelson

    Quote: OnceDear

    Quote: AlanMendelson


    Of all the little, insignificant things to judge someone by... this is it. It takes a little person to set the bar this low for picking friends.

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    Somewhat insulting, Alan. Looks like a pretty direct personal attack on SooPoo.
    No penalty this time. Soopoo had come close to making an implied insult himself.
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    My father was a mob lawyer. Some of his best friends were criminals.

    One of my best friends is in prison for life for murdering at least two people. He pleaded guilty to one murder to escape the death penalty. He's been accused of many more.

    He will always be my friend.

    So when I say barring a dinner guest over a claim of 19 yos in a row is pretty low, I'm not kidding.
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    Alan,
    You said " It takes a little person to set the bar this low". "This low" was where Soopoo was setting the bar.
    Therein lies your Personal insult to SooPoo.
    Whether it's true or not and whether it fits your life experience is academic.
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    19 yos in a row was hypothetical. So I said it was something a little person would do.

    So you would suspend someone over a hypothetical? Well, go ahead.

    But I have a friend who is a convicted hitman. That's not hypothetical. I have "Uncles" who did some bad stuff and that's not hypothetical either.

    Now put things into perspective. Murderers, criminals and not inviting someone to a dinner party over 19 yos in a row.

    Give me a break.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 8:09:46 AM permalink
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    Quote: AxelWolf

    Unfortunately, around here the 18 yo thing will forever be what you are known for 😥

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    And to the rest of the world I'm known for changing the Consumer Price Index, the way Unemployment stats are reported, the consumer protection laws for gasoline retailing, and for being one of the first TV reporters to cover the famine in Ethiopia.

    You can continue to be the GOAT of APs.
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    The GOAT of APs.. AS believable as those 18 Yoís!
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 8:46:41 AM permalink
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    The talking to the President is a very good analogy.

    They are all lying but you can't call them a liar to their face either. (There's no partisanship in that statement so hope it's not considered political.)

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    Coming from someone who thinks that "I make $20,000. a week" is meaningful it makes perfect sense that you'd interpret Alan's statement that way but the rest of the world is certain Alan didn't intend that bizarre slant.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 8:47:43 AM permalink
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    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    This post, and the way Alan in general conducts himself on the forum, make it clear he's an old school gentleman. Which is a good thing in any book.
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    Like I said and credited to previously.

    Both, The Great MDawg and Alan Mendelson are way way up there in my book and admiration.

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    October 3rd, 2021 at 8:54:30 AM permalink
    Knock it off, guys
    Personally, I agree that AlanMendelson is one of the most polite members posting in this forum. Anyone is free to disagree, if arguing that point is how you want to live your life.

    I also agree with Oncedear that Alan's post was mildly insulting, but I point out that we were not proposing any suspension for it.

    The latest posts are "taunting" and edging closer to insults. Just stop it. The rule is "No personal insults." If your intent is to insult a person who has posted something, then don't do it.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 8:58:00 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson



    19 yos in a row was hypothetical. So I said it was something a little person would do.

    So you would suspend someone over a hypothetical? Well, go ahead.

    But I have a friend who is a convicted hitman. That's not hypothetical. I have "Uncles" who did some bad stuff and that's not hypothetical either.

    Now put things into perspective. Murderers, criminals and not inviting someone to a dinner party over 19 yos in a row.

    Give me a break.

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    Perhaps it is simply SOOPOO's opinion that convicted murderers and criminals are likely to have more interesting stories.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 8:58:15 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    Quote: AxelWolf

    Unfortunately, around here the 18 yo thing will forever be what you are known for 😥

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    And to the rest of the world I'm known for changing the Consumer Price Index, the way Unemployment stats are reported, the consumer protection laws for gasoline retailing, and for being one of the first TV reporters to cover the famine in Ethiopia.

    You can continue to be the GOAT of APs.
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    It's not a title I'm looking for, nor is OG or anything like that, I don't even believe that to be true. If that was the case, I would be talking about all the past plays and crazy adventures publicly, perhaps a book deal, and appear on stuff like GWAE, etc. I've only ever publicly mentioned a micro amount of stuff I have been involved with and done. Yeah, I have some pretty crazy interesting stories that involve my life, Advantage Play, good plays, and Las Vegas. 99.9 of that stuff is reserved for non-public conversations when the time and the situation is appropriate. Perhaps at a dinner party, on a road trip or just chatting with a group.

    I just want to be happy, not worried about money and finances, do what I want to do, and for the most part, I'm successful.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 9:00:38 AM permalink
    Quote: Mission146


    Perhaps it is simply SOOPOO's opinion that convicted murderers and criminals are likely to have more interesting stories.

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    Wait, this is Suspension List Thread? Someone should start a new thread having to do with the general credibility of gambling stories, but it's not going to be me. I have enough interest in the topic to likely read and participate, but not to start the thread.

    Either way, let's just put our hypothetical dinner seating chart away as Off-Topic for this thread.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 9:31:21 AM permalink
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    Quote: darkoz



    The talking to the President is a very good analogy.

    They are all lying but you can't call them a liar to their face either. (There's no partisanship in that statement so hope it's not considered political.)

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    Coming from someone who thinks that "I make $20,000. a week" is meaningful it makes perfect sense that you'd interpret Alan's statement that way but the rest of the world is certain Alan didn't intend that bizarre slant.
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    Take the blinders off, MDawg.

    My post was in jest. I think the rest of the world didn't interpret Alan's statement that way and neither did I.

    I figured the joke about all politicians lying was well known. Sorry you weren't in on it.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 9:36:54 AM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Quote: AlanMendelson



    19 yos in a row was hypothetical. So I said it was something a little person would do.

    So you would suspend someone over a hypothetical? Well, go ahead.

    But I have a friend who is a convicted hitman. That's not hypothetical. I have "Uncles" who did some bad stuff and that's not hypothetical either.

    Now put things into perspective. Murderers, criminals and not inviting someone to a dinner party over 19 yos in a row.

    Give me a break.

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    Perhaps it is simply SOOPOO's opinion that convicted murderers and criminals are likely to have more interesting stories.
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    Mission there are stories I could tell about my father and my Uncles. And since most or all of them are dead now I could write one hell of a book. The photos would come from my Bar Mitzvah album... they were all there. LOL.
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 9:43:09 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

    It's a shame forums aren't run on "the dinner party rule."

    Simply, you should post only what would be acceptable to say at a dinner party.

    If you ever attended a dinner party -- and I don't mean sharing a pizza in a bar -- you'd understand.

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    Quote: AlanMendelson



    My father was a mob lawyer. Some of his best friends were criminals.

    One of my best friends is in prison for life for murdering at least two people. He pleaded guilty to one murder to escape the death penalty. He's been accused of many more.

    He will always be my friend.

    So when I say barring a dinner guest over a claim of 19 yos in a row is pretty low, I'm not kidding.

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    Whoa, so we are talking about the bar when it comes to dinner with mafia?

    The average person doesn't have dinner with Mafia.

    And of course, unfairly or not, I am reminded of a few dinner scenes in mafia films where the most little slight resulted in shooting (Goodfellas or Casino, the Pesci guy).

    So it appears that you have an extremely high bar for who you are willing to have dinner with.

    That being so circumspect with dinner buddies might be a matter of survival.

    I mean don't you think the full question really is when you said "you should only post what you would find acceptable to say at a dinner party (with mafia and men convicted of homicide)" was important to our conclusion of what is circumspect at a dinner party?
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    October 3rd, 2021 at 9:49:35 AM permalink
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    ...the rest of the world is certain Alan didn't intend that bizarre slant.

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    WOW!
    Once again, your breathtaking mind reading skills amaze me.
    I can't say they amaze everyone, because I do not have a private insight into everyone else's mind.
    Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.

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