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AxelWolf
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August 26th, 2021 at 8:59:59 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Vote for Mission, he is probably not the worst choice.

Don't be dissin', vote for Mission.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dieter
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:09:12 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Don't be dissin', vote for Mission.



He may not be the hero we need, but he's the hero we deserve?
May the cards fall in your favor.
Mission146
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:12:42 AM permalink
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36355-roulette/4/#post820815

Is Evenbob going to get banned for this clear personal insult and barely masked profanity sometime today?

Please keep in mind he is coming off of a very recent Suspension for Trolling.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
Gialmere
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:14:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I look forward to being your campaign manager during the next Moderator election.

Vote for Mission, he's on a Mission.


Mission impossible.

Unless, as Mission's new campaign mission manager, you can convince your candidate not to become a self inflicted omission by abandoning his mission during the next election mission.

Prayer at a mission might help.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
Mission146
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:21:22 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36355-roulette/4/#post820815

Is Evenbob going to get banned for this clear personal insult and barely masked profanity sometime today?

Please keep in mind he is coming off of a very recent Suspension for Trolling.



Haha, he edited his post. Classic Evenbob. I'm sure that such an edit to avoid punishment and try to make me appear to be a misquoter will be factored into the penalty.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
MDawg
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:22:49 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36356-wellbushs-trip-reports/5/#post820802

I'm here to discuss the Suspension of Wellbush for a statement made in the above-linked post. I should assume that this Suspension will be added to the list in the near future.

As we can see in that post, a statement was made that violates a couple of rules here and potentially a few more:

Rule 1: No Personal Insult

---In this statement by Wellbush, an anecdote (fictitious or true) was made concerning a well-known stereotype that is made of the Jewish community. It stands to reason that there are more than zero Jewish or part-Jewish people who post here, in fact, I KNOW that there are (but will not identify them individually) and this post rises to the level of Personal Insult against all Members of that community.

Rule 12: No Bullying/Trolling

---See above.

Rule 18: Hate Speech

---Again, this post can be seen as nothing other than HATE SPEECH based on a known stereotype of the Jewish people. It is this sort of speech that fosters violence and hatred towards members of that community whilst perhaps fostering existing biases or perhaps causing people to have new biases.

Rule 19: Controversial Speech

---The speech is about a particular, and specified, religious group and a stereotype related to them---so it's tough to get more controversial than that for the purposes of this rule.

Wellbush is coming off of a 30 day ban as of July 30th. Granted, this site doesn't operate strictly on Martingale policy anymore, but a seven day ban for hate speech seems extremely lenient given the length of the most previous ban.

It would be one thing to give someone a seven-day ban for this if they had no prior infractions, agreed to make an apology upon returning and whose posts were of substantial value to a gambling community. This is not the case with Wellbush. Of Wellbush, the following things are true:

1.) He has been suspended already for Personal Insults and Trolling. There is no reason to think, that when this Suspension ends, this behavior will not continue.

AND:

2.) Wellbush is a betting systems advocate and, if there is a single post that has any FACTUAL value to a gambling forum, I have certainly never read it from him.

Therefore, it is my personal opinion that given his previous ban, seriousness of this offense and overall value of his posts to this Forum that Wellbush should be Nuked.


There's a mixture of ratiocination and poisoning of the well(bush) here.

I saw the joke he posted and it was out of line for WOV, but I doubt he meant it as any kind of hate speech. In other words, nothing WellBush has posted before would indicate that he harbors any kind of prejudice or hate towards any ethnicity, race or religion. You're reading too much into motive here when clearly really all he was trying to do was illustrate a point, granted, via politically incorrect stereotypes that have no place these days. When I was in law school one of my professors was Scottish and he used to illustrate certain legal points by referencing the alleged attributes (stereotypes) of Scotsmen in very politically incorrect ways.

As far as suspending or nuking someone just because he continues to post what he believes in, whether or not you agree with it, that's just not right, nor does someone's being passionate about his beliefs and repeating them become trolling (otherwise, EvenBob would have been nuked long ago). Indeed, I am surprised to hear Mission146 advocate such a thing after his speech about the value of MDawg to this forum. While, yes, the Adventures of MDawg were for some reason placed in the Betting Systems section, indeed I have always said that no mechanical betting system works, so I am not even an advocate of betting systems. I've never said exactly what I do or don't do to win regularly. Point being, that being tossed into the betting systems bin is not nor has it ever been grounds for suspension or nuking.

I'll go further and say that I believe that WellBush's prior suspension was made by OnceDear who lumped together all of WellBush's continued passionate statements in favor of whatever it was he believed in, and suspended him for that. I believe that such suspensions - suspensions merely for someone's repeating what he believes in absent any other rule violation, have been since disapproved of by the Wizard. I mean WellBush asked that his thread be hidden, he asked that the "naysayers" stop responding to him, that is evidence if anything, against trolling because the objective of a troller is to attract attention and lure others into responding to him.




A suspension for the joke that was in poor taste, sure, but not otherwise.
Last edited by: MDawg on Aug 26, 2021
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AxelWolf
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:24:08 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

He may not be the hero we need, but he's the hero we deserve?

I can see you are not too good at this.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:25:32 AM permalink
He is not just on a mission, HE IS... THE MISSION.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Gialmere
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:29:23 AM permalink
Do you get a commission on the mission?
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
AxelWolf
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:30:51 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

There's a mixture of ratiocination and poisoning of the well(bush) here.

I saw the joke he posted and it was out of line for WOV, but I doubt he meant it as any kind of hate speech. In other words, nothing WellBush has posted before would indicate that he harbors any kind of prejudice or hate towards any ethnicity, race or religion. You're reading too much into motive here when clearly really all he was trying to do was illustrate a point, granted, via politically incorrect stereotypes that have no place these days. When I was in law school one of my professors was Scottish and he used to illustrate certain legal points by referencing the alleged attributes (stereotypes) of Scotsmen in very politically incorrect ways.

As far as suspending or nuking someone just because he continues to post what he believes in, whether or not you agree with it, that's just not right, nor does someone's being passionate about his beliefs and repeating them become trolling (otherwise, EvenBob would have been nuked long ago). Indeed, I am surprised to hear Mission146 advocate such a thing after his speech about the value of MDawg to this forum. While, yes, the Adventures of MDawg were for some reason placed in the Betting Systems section, indeed I have always said that no mechanical betting system works, so I am not even an advocate of betting systems. I've never said exactly what I do or don't do to win regularly. Point being, that being tossed into the betting systems bin is not nor has it ever been grounds for suspension or nuking.

A suspension for the joke that was in poor taste, sure, but not otherwise.

I think Mission will admit that when it comes to this sort of thing, he oftentimes gets it wrong.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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