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Gandler
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:08:20 AM permalink
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I have no idea how I feel about this. I just took a look at my last 20 threads to see where I fall as to what I have started discussion with and I think I am pretty inline with how the forum is wanting to be run.

I then took a look at my last posts and I mostly posted in gaming or betting threads with the exception of weight loss, food, and miscellaneous.

I then took a look at a handful of people who I will not name and they last 100 posts were 95% not gaming or gambling related.

The reason that I am on the fence is because I came here for a gambling reason but stuck around so long because other discussions have lead to some friendships. I talk to some people outside of here and are wondering if that would have happened without the other banter that happens. I really do enjoy the lighthearted conversations that surround a random thread in miscellaneous where people post random crap that only gets discussed for a few hours and the camaraderie between some people via the weight loss threads (even though I am still fat and seemingly getting fatter). I will check into this site multiple times a day and at night multiple times in an hour while watching TV. Without all of the other stuff I may only check 1 time a day or maybe less.

Saying all of that there are so many topics that I do not read and wish they were not on this site. Threads regarding politics, or gun control, or religion I feel do not belong on here. I have a few long term friends that I have no idea how they have ever voted and we just do not discuss such things. During this last month I have lost a lot of respect for a few people based on how they have been posting in some of these threads that I happen to read.

IMO I think there should be a little less of a drastic measure taken. Why can't there just be a rule to ban all controversial topics. I know some people couldn't care less about food topics which can easily be blocked. The politics ones can also be blocked but anything controversial seems to spill into other topics quite easily. I have never seen a food topic spill into another thread and cause havoc over there.

I agree with what Mission said as far as new members. If they come and see 10 current threads and they see 3 political ones, 2 gun law ones, and a food one they are probably not going to stick around.

So with all that rambling I would like a happy medium. Make a list of banned topics and that list can be expanded at any time but still allow some of the light hearted miscellaneous talk.



Those are good points, I know this rule was aimed at political threads. But, it cuts at everything that is not gaming or Vegas-tourism related.

No more food discussions, no more news, no more random stories, personal issues, etc......

Basically, I predict if this rule stays this forum will have the occasional new game thread, trip reports, the occasional betting system thread, and some random poker chatter, but it will be far fewer posts. There simply is only so much you can say about the same games (and most new threads are pretty much repeated past discussions.....)

As others have said, the most exciting thing gaming related is AP opportunities, but those threads quickly get hardballed...

I love gambling, I love blackjack, I love poker, I love the atmosphere in many casinos, but realistically speaking, the topics are minimal, and almost everything has already been said (generally many times over)....
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:17:30 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Those are good points, I know this rule was aimed at political threads. But, it cuts at everything that is not gaming or Vegas-tourism related.

No more food discussions, no more news, no more random stories, personal issues, etc......



I should think that there would be some degree of discretion exercised in actual banning vs. closing a thread or merging it into another thread. For one thing, I think a Miscellaneous Discussion thread, a thread is necessary because it's important for the community to be able to chatter and get to know one another outside of gambling-related topics.

That is not something that happens 99.7% of the time in the politics-related threads. It's just a bunch of arguing that will never lead to anyone changing anyone's mind about anything and, if nothing else, only serves to convince one side that the other side is absolutely nuts. It does not build a community and it does not build friendships...it perhaps threatens some friendships that have already been built here.

Also, there is Diversity Tomorrow for those who have become friends on here, thoroughly enjoy politics discussions and believe those discussions can be maintained in a way not threatening to any friendships. There are a few people who seem to be there and prefer those discussions to the extent that we don't really see them here much anymore (if at all) and that is fine. Perhaps slightly regrettable, but fine.

I don't enjoy political discussions so much that you're likely to see me there very often.

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Basically, I predict if this rule stays this forum will have the occasional new game thread, trip reports, the occasional betting system thread, and some random poker chatter, but it will be far fewer posts. There simply is only so much you can say about the same games (and most new threads are pretty much repeated past discussions.....)



If this Forum dies, at least it will die as it lived: a gambling forum. One gambling-related post is worth countless other posts if your goal is to be a gambling forum.

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As others have said, the most exciting thing gaming related is AP opportunities, but those threads quickly get hardballed...



Start the thread!

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I love gambling, I love blackjack, I love poker, I love the atmosphere in many casinos, but realistically speaking, the topics are minimal, and almost everything has already been said (generally many times over)....



Start the threads! Hopefully, new visitors will see this is a forum for legitimate gaming discussion and join. If they do, then while the subjects will be similar, we may have new gambling conversations with new ideas.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:19:56 AM permalink
I've been participating in forums for decades and I can't recall a single one where politics or controversial discussion was allowed that didn't turn into mayhem. I'd also guess that the number of people who changed their mind about politics due to reading or discussing a subject in all the forums throughout the country is probably somewhere under "1".

It's a worthless endeavor, but the oligarchs that run the country do love to see the division.

Sure, some may leave but in my opinion most that do are probably not people I'll miss. I go to forums to have some fun, learn a little and perhaps once in a while dispense my own wisdom in the hope that it will help others. I don't want or need the drama, and there are plenty of other places where people can pursue that if they wish.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:22:32 AM permalink
A well-known advice in pre WW1 France was for a dinner host to prevent any discussion on religion, politics or the Dreyfus case. Later on, Dreyfus has been substituted by football (soccer).

Why is that? Because these topics have people come with their opinion without any readiness to change it. And that is because there ARE no reasons to change. Such opinions are not rationally based, there is no argument whatsoever to switch your favourite team or your religion. So... better not discuss it. De gustibus et coloribus non disputandum.

As a consequence, I would suggest banning such kinds of topics: politics, religion, sex preferences, sport team support, Trumpís intellect and overall chauvinistic nationalism (not everyone here is American, we love America and like to discover the insides of American culture in those discussions, we donít need to be told America is the best this and the wonderful that).

As for other off-topic subjects, Weight Loss or What are you Reading? are harmless. Also, limiting to Gambling Or Vegas would eliminate Math Problems, which is the first reason I signed up years ago.

A stat tool that could help: record the thread types that have caused the most exclusions/bans and suppress these prioritarily.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:24:42 AM permalink
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Are the blogs also subject to the same topic restrictions?



Good question. For now, the restrictions won't apply to blog posts as long as the titles, which can be seen on the main forum page, are not too divisive.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:25:46 AM permalink
IMO, it should just be "no politics / religion / etc..." for the new rule. I don't think it should be "must be related to gaming / Vegas / etc..." Are threads like GWAE's terrible "Miscellanious discussion" gonna be gone? What about the thread about where we update what we had for dinner and DRich is like, "I had candy for breakfast, chips for lunch, and tortino's pizza roles for dinner"?

If the fun but off-topic threads are gone, then I think the forum would pretty much die instantly, and I don't want to see that happen. I think the political and whatnot threads should be gone, though. I don't need to read stuff about politics on here. Subscribe to r/The_Donald for better political discussions.

Also, in lieu of these new rules, I propose we plan a fun activity. We should bring Nathan back! :)
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:26:18 AM permalink
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Are threads on gambling on political elections ok? Like Intrade strategies?



Yes. As long as they don't degenerate into political statements. For example, I can say the odds on Andrew Yang to win the primary are x, but I can't state his positions or comment on them.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:28:48 AM permalink
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IMO, it should just be "no politics / religion / etc..." for the new rule. I don't think it should be "must be related to gaming / Vegas / etc..." Are threads like GWAE's terrible "Miscellanious discussion" gonna be gone? What about the thread about where we update what we had for dinner and DRich is like, "I had candy for breakfast, chips for lunch, and tortino's pizza roles for dinner"?



I think we all know the purpose of the rule. Posts on where and what DRich ate for lunch are not the problem. Posts about sexuality, politics, and religion will get the greatest scrutiny, in that order.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:29:47 AM permalink
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As a consequence, I would suggest banning such kinds of topics: politics, religion, sex preferences, sport team support...
As for other off-topic subjects, Weight Loss or What are you Reading? are harmless. Also, limiting to Gambling Or Vegas would eliminate Math Problems, which is the first reason I signed up years ago.

A stat tool that could help: record the thread types that have caused the most exclusions/bans and suppress these prioritarily.



I don't think we have any threads specifically dedicated to sports team support. With that said, I should think that anything related to the NFL should be permitted in the WoV Picks Game Discussion Thread. The thread exists with a fundamental purpose of playing a gambling game and anything football-related is relevant to that topic in that context.

Anything related to math is, by definition, relatable to gambling, in my opinion. If you want to understand gambling, then you need to understand math. Therefore, I suggest that anything related to Math may contain useful concepts that can then be applied to gambling threads in the future.

Another key difference with math is a large percentage of it is NOT based on opinion. An answer is either right or wrong.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:34:27 AM permalink
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I think we all know the purpose of the rule. Posts on where and what DRich ate for lunch are not the problem. Posts about sexuality, politics, and religion will get the greatest scrutiny, in that order.



Thank you, I really hope this site gets back to gambling material.

BTW, today was beef jerky for breakfast. Tonight's dinner will be at Juan's Flaming Fajita's. Tomorrows breakfast will be a slurry of Propofol and other anesthetics for surgery.
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