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August 13th, 2019 at 1:15:36 PM permalink
U.S. online poker players find refuge in Canada

Online poker ban in U.S. sends players north of the border
CBC News · Posted: Dec 19, 2012 2:20 PM ET

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August 13th, 2019 at 1:19:15 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Where’s the stats to prove that the site suffers more from the current content than from pure gambler’s realm?
Perhaps the online casinos this site supports get more financial support from the variety of novices that show up than your common gambler.



The reality is, this site is owned by people who make money from getting more players on their online casinos. (Rember the days where the Wizard only had one "approved and recommended" online casino?), now there are screens full of casinos this and other Wizard sites push you to.

Long story short, the forums do not make much money, most of us do not spend money on their online casinos, they want people who are searching online to find this site just to go on to gamble at their sites, the longer people spend on the forums, the less time they are gambling. Just like how in brick and mortar casinos, they want to keep you on the casino floor as long as possible, and when that is not possible, try to bring gaming options to the bars, clubs, etc....

They want less forum reading, and more casino link clicking.

And, the more gaming posts, the more google search results for gaming keywords....
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:27:24 PM permalink
Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:
-the history of gambling,
-the diversity of gambling equipment (including chips);
- business developments in the corporate gambling world,
- the architecture of casinos,
- things to do in cities/regions where casinos are,
- legal aspects associated with police seizure of assets such as gambler's cash,
- death/illness of gamblers, gaming industry people and forum members

and dozens of other such topics.

And nothing in the Wizard's comments leads me to believe that non-combative off-topic topics will be banned assuming they are in good taste and add something to the community that uses this forum. Use your common sense.

Banned Threads
Politics
Gun control
Abortion
Immigration
Religion
Sexual preference
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head

Examples of Allowable Off-Topic Threads
Weight Loss
What Are You Reading?
Licence Plate Collecting (lol)
Solar Eclipse
Forum Contests
etc.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:30:07 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

The reality is, this site is owned by people who make money from getting more players on their online casinos. (Rember the days where the Wizard only had one "approved and recommended" online casino?), now there are screens full of casinos this and other Wizard sites push you to.

Long story short, the forums do not make much money, most of us do not spend money on their online casinos, they want people who are searching online to find this site just to go on to gamble at their sites, the longer people spend on the forums, the less time they are gambling. Just like how in brick and mortar casinos, they want to keep you on the casino floor as long as possible, and when that is not possible, try to bring gaming options to the bars, clubs, etc....

They want less forum reading, and more casino link clicking.

And, the more gaming posts, the more google search results for gaming keywords....



I think that what you have said is partially true, but not entirely.

For one thing, it makes it sound like the primary driver of the sites is to get people to gamble online. That is not the purpose of the sites, or we wouldn't write some of the stuff that we write. If we think the house edge of a game sucks, we'll say that it sucks and nobody has ever instructed me to do otherwise. If we think the terms and conditions of a particular online casino are ridiculous, then we will write that we think they are ridiculous, and again, nobody has ever so much as hinted that I should do otherwise.

The purpose of Wizardofodds.com, as a primary purpose, is to instruct, educate and provide information for those who are interested in gambling. The purpose of this site is very similar, with more of a focus on conversational/opinion related things, which can be found in the forum as well as the articles.

The model of having one approved casino was not financially sustainable for reasons that I don't fully know, but I suspect really boiled down to most people who were going to go to Bovada had already done so. I also don't know if there were any agreements relating to repeat Bovada play from people who had visited Bovada via this site or what those agreements were. In any event, it was clearly decided that for the sites to be profitable, or more profitable, we would have to advertise multiple online casinos. Bovada remains one of those.

If you wish to maintain that the primary purpose of the site is to get people to visit the online casinos, I won't argue with you, but I will say that politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose of the site if that is the case.

Honestly, though, you would think there would be more articles about online casinos if that was the goal. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been directly asked to write about a specific online casino.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:30:23 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:
-the history of gambling,
-the diversity of gambling equipment (including chips);
- business developments in the corporate gambling world,
- the architecture of casinos,
- things to do in cities/regions where casinos are,
- legal aspects associated with police seizure of assets such as gambler's cash,
- death/illness of gamblers, gaming industry people and forum members

and dozens of other such topics.

And nothing in the Wizard's comments leads me to believe that non-combative off-topic topics will be banned assuming they are in good taste and add something to the community that uses this forum. Use your common sense.

Banned Threads
Politics
Gun control
Abortion
Immigration
Religion
Sexual preference
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head

Examples of Allowable Off-Topic Threads
Weight Loss
What Are You Reading?
Licence Plate Collecting (lol)
Solar Eclipse
Forum Contests
etc.



Excellent points.

You would make a great secret mod
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:47:32 PM permalink
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Quote: ams288

Is anyone actually going to be posting here more now than they did previously?


The site should be about quality and not content. Given your 100,000 life time of posts, what have you ever posted that could be deemed of value to anybody else, a single gambling related post will do!!



AMS recently posted a trip report that was interesting to many of us that visit Vegas as tourists. And honestly helps attract the type of new members the owners want.

Don’t often agree with AMS but the s*4t he is taking from some for stating his opinion is garbage. It’s why the Wiz opened this up for comments for 24 hours.

As for your Baccarat “skill”, you already know how you are looked at. And your are right, if this site is going to be a legitimate gambling site, anyone claiming winning at Baccarat will be laughed at.

But “welcome” back.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:50:43 PM permalink
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Also « fag flags » or product ads,  for example.



Hate speech: three-day suspension.

Quote:

PS. Fag flag is not offensive. I first heard it from gay friends using the term for fun, here.



Call strangers that outside a gay bar and see what happens.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:52:07 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Quote: gordonm888

Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:
-the history of gambling,
-the diversity of gambling equipment (including chips);
- business developments in the corporate gambling world,
- the architecture of casinos,
- things to do in cities/regions where casinos are,
- legal aspects associated with police seizure of assets such as gambler's cash,
- death/illness of gamblers, gaming industry people and forum members

and dozens of other such topics.

And nothing in the Wizard's comments leads me to believe that non-combative off-topic topics will be banned assuming they are in good taste and add something to the community that uses this forum. Use your common sense.

Banned Threads
Politics
Gun control
Abortion
Immigration
Religion
Sexual preference
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head

Examples of Allowable Off-Topic Threads
Weight Loss
What Are You Reading?
Licence Plate Collecting (lol)
Solar Eclipse
Forum Contests
etc.



Excellent points.

You would make a great secret mod



Yes he/she would fit right in with most of the mods with these veiled personal attacks...

""Use your common sense.
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head ""

This reminds me why I don't come here much any more. Are all gambling types sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities, or just on gambling forum sites like wov?
And yes, that's a free one right out in the open.

Enjoy the new rule and work it out folks.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:53:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard


Call strangers that outside a gay bar and see what happens.



I am guessing slapped and tickled.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:53:29 PM permalink
Beginning to wonder if today will set a record for suspensions?
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:53:51 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Hate speech: three-day suspension.



Call strangers that outside a gay bar and see what happens.



Golly. I would expect the gay persons to try to educate the user of that phrase to show him how offensive it could be to the patrons of said bar. I hope, Mike, that you are not implying the gay person would resort to violence? That is demeaning to gay people everywhere, to imply they cannot engage in a serious discussion without resorting to violence.....
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:55:26 PM permalink
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Just a spinal fusion. It is a common surgery with 80%-85% success.



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August 13th, 2019 at 1:55:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I think that what you have said is partially true, but not entirely.

For one thing, it makes it sound like the primary driver of the sites is to get people to gamble online. That is not the purpose of the sites, or we wouldn't write some of the stuff that we write. If we think the house edge of a game sucks, we'll say that it sucks and nobody has ever instructed me to do otherwise. If we think the terms and conditions of a particular online casino are ridiculous, then we will write that we think they are ridiculous, and again, nobody has ever so much as hinted that I should do otherwise.

The purpose of Wizardofodds.com, as a primary purpose, is to instruct, educate and provide information for those who are interested in gambling. The purpose of this site is very similar, with more of a focus on conversational/opinion related things, which can be found in the forum as well as the articles.

The model of having one approved casino was not financially sustainable for reasons that I don't fully know, but I suspect really boiled down to most people who were going to go to Bovada had already done so. I also don't know if there were any agreements relating to repeat Bovada play from people who had visited Bovada via this site or what those agreements were. In any event, it was clearly decided that for the sites to be profitable, or more profitable, we would have to advertise multiple online casinos. Bovada remains one of those.

If you wish to maintain that the primary purpose of the site is to get people to visit the online casinos, I won't argue with you, but I will say that politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose of the site if that is the case.

Honestly, though, you would think there would be more articles about online casinos if that was the goal. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been directly asked to write about a specific online casino.



Come on Mission, the owners didn’t buy this site for over 2M to help gamblers. Or any other reason other than to attract customers to online casinos that PAY them for clicking links.

Hopefully I know you well enough that you understand EVERYTHING they do is to get people to those online casinos. It’s the ONLY way they get their money back.

Anything they pay you is in regards to helping them to that end.

I doubt they would even deny it. And it’s the only way they get their return on investment. Surely you understand that.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:56:51 PM permalink
Quote: sammydv

Quote: michael99000

Quote: gordonm888

Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:
-the history of gambling,
-the diversity of gambling equipment (including chips);
- business developments in the corporate gambling world,
- the architecture of casinos,
- things to do in cities/regions where casinos are,
- legal aspects associated with police seizure of assets such as gambler's cash,
- death/illness of gamblers, gaming industry people and forum members

and dozens of other such topics.

And nothing in the Wizard's comments leads me to believe that non-combative off-topic topics will be banned assuming they are in good taste and add something to the community that uses this forum. Use your common sense.

Banned Threads
Politics
Gun control
Abortion
Immigration
Religion
Sexual preference
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head

Examples of Allowable Off-Topic Threads
Weight Loss
What Are You Reading?
Licence Plate Collecting (lol)
Solar Eclipse
Forum Contests
etc.



Excellent points.

You would make a great secret mod



Yes he/she would fit right in with most of the mods with these veiled personal attacks...snipped

Why else would moderators do it for free?
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:57:31 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

The reality is, ..



No offense, that's opinion. You offered no statistics
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I think that what you have said is partially true, but not entirely.

For one thing, it makes it sound like the primary driver of the sites is to get people to gamble online. That is not the purpose of the sites, or we wouldn't write some of the stuff that we write. If we think the house edge of a game sucks, we'll say that it sucks and nobody has ever instructed me to do otherwise. If we think the terms and conditions of a particular online casino are ridiculous, then we will write that we think they are ridiculous, and again, nobody has ever so much as hinted that I should do otherwise.

The purpose of Wizardofodds.com, as a primary purpose, is to instruct, educate and provide information for those who are interested in gambling. The purpose of this site is very similar, with more of a focus on conversational/opinion related things, which can be found in the forum as well as the articles.

The model of having one approved casino was not financially sustainable for reasons that I don't fully know, but I suspect really boiled down to most people who were going to go to Bovada had already done so. I also don't know if there were any agreements relating to repeat Bovada play from people who had visited Bovada via this site or what those agreements were. In any event, it was clearly decided that for the sites to be profitable, or more profitable, we would have to advertise multiple online casinos. Bovada remains one of those.

If you wish to maintain that the primary purpose of the site is to get people to visit the online casinos, I won't argue with you, but I will say that politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose of the site if that is the case.

Honestly, though, you would think there would be more articles about online casinos if that was the goal. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been directly asked to write about a specific online casino.



It only changed after the ownership change, under Wizard's ownership, he only had one (unless I am recalling wrong). The new owners, own online casinos, so of course they want their's approved....

I agree about the initial intent, but again that is not who owns it now (and look at the different ads on wizard of odds as well).

The primary goal of the new owners is to get people to gamble online in theirs or one of their sponsored deal casinos (none of which are state regulated casinos). This site is just one of many that they own to drive towards that goal.

This forum if anything is probably a hindrance, because as you have said people post about bad games, HE, etc... So honestly the forum slowing down or even dying is quite possibly in their overall interest....

Whenever a large online casino company buys a site that educates and discusses gambling, you should be skeptical.

Again, I don't inherently disagree with the rule, I just stand by what I said, it will slow traffic, and it will skew posts, but that is likley the goal.

I don't know if DT was sold or not, it still has the classic formatting (that this site used to), and I don't see any ads (I have only briefly glanced at it so could be wrong). But, DT is really only known about by people on here (I don't think anyone who is not a member here randomly joins DT just to discuss politics, because there are better sites for that with far more active bases, really the only advantage it has, is continuing discourse with some people from this site).

I am active on very few forums, I enjoy this one because I love gambling, and it has a lot of interesting perspectives from very well versed people.

Your articles are great, but, would you really be asked to write a bunch of articles about online gaming? It is a limited subject, it is much better advertising to have a great article, and on the side some "reccomded casinos ".....
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:01:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

After some discussion, site ownership and management have decided to make a new rule forbidding non-gambling and non-Vegas topics, especially those concerning politics, religion, and sexuality. This is not necessarily permanent. We will reevaluate after the dust has a chance to settle.

As to implementation, I will be immediately closing all active threads that are causing all the problems. Discussion of the new rule will be allowed here. For a period of 24 hours, to end at 8:00 AM, Pacific time, Aug 14, I'll allow posting of a "final word" of a nature of soon-to-be-banned topics in this thread only. So write your best manifesto for what you believe today here or forever hold your peace. Manifestos will still be subject to prior forum rules.

I would like to encourage posters who prefer to discuss now-banned topics to take it to Diversity Tomorrow or any other forum of your choice. Have a good day.




Out of all the threads to do this after, they have to make this new rule after a thread that *I* started. I smell a conspiracy.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:01:52 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

I
I don't know if DT was sold or not, it still has the classic formatting (that this site used to), and I don't see any ads (I have only briefly glanced at it so could be wrong). But, DT is really only known about by people on here (I don't think anyone who is not a member here randomly joins DT just to discuss politics, because there are better sites for that with far more active bases, really the only advantage it has, is continuing discourse with some people from this site).



My understanding. DT was not sold and the Wizard is the sole owner
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:04:23 PM permalink
And here is my opinion.

Reality is the site could have been designed where you sign up and if you only want to see the black jack forum, that's all you see with an option box choice,

And if you only want to read the travel and food section forum topics, with those as off topic choices, that's all you see with it.

And you'd still get all the advertising they want you to have.

It's like an access to a everything at a Super Mall, with the advantage of a private set-up. Hell, you could even have Wal*mart links.

If this wasn't so easy to figure a solution to, I'd feel smart.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:05:21 PM permalink
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Come on Mission, the owners didn’t buy this site for over 2M to help gamblers. Or any other reason other than to attract customers to online casinos that PAY them for clicking links.

Hopefully I know you well enough that you understand EVERYTHING they do is to get people to those online casinos. It’s the ONLY way they get their money back.

Anything they pay you is in regards to helping them to that end.

I doubt they would even deny it. And it’s the only way they get their return on investment. Surely you understand that.



I understand that they did not buy the sites without expecting a profit in return and the source of that profit being people to visit and/or play at casino websites.

I'm talking about the purpose of the sites, as their own entities, being unchanged. Wizard didn't put Bovada ads on Wizardofodds.com because he didn't want people to go to Bovada, I'm certain he wanted them to do so. The purpose of Wizard of Odds, among other things, is to break down gambling games mathematically and to educate people on them. Making money via online gambling is an effect of the site serving its primary purpose. The purpose of a private school is to educate, but to make money by providing students with that education.

In any case, the primary purpose that the owners bought the site and the primary purpose the site exists can be two different things. But, if not, then again the politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:10:05 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

No offense, that's opinion. You offered no statistics



How can I?

Only the owners can show their ad effective rates, and they are not going to.

But, it is basic buisness, they want people to gamble and theirs, and their partners casinos, their goal is more link clicks....

I offered evidence of the ad changes before and after the deal, which is the only thing somebody from the public (not on the inside) can do......

But new owners = more ads and more "approved" casinos.... seems pretty straightforward
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:12:26 PM permalink
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But, if not, then again the politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose.



This general statement is starting to annoy me, that I might have to start a politics only forum and put casino links and see if it makes money.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:15:07 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

It only changed after the ownership change, under Wizard's ownership, he only had one (unless I am recalling wrong). The new owners, own online casinos, so of course they want their's approved....



That's correct, and I could be mistaken, but I believed that Wizard had mentioned that he might need to move away from having a single exclusive online casino prior to the sites being sold. Do the new owners own online casinos? I've never looked into that. My understanding is that we just advertise for them as an affiliate.

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I agree about the initial intent, but again that is not who owns it now (and look at the different ads on wizard of odds as well).

The primary goal of the new owners is to get people to gamble online in theirs or one of their sponsored deal casinos (none of which are state regulated casinos). This site is just one of many that they own to drive towards that goal.



That's like saying the Wizard's, "Goal," was to get people to gamble at Bovada. He certainly needed people to do so in order for the sites to be profitable, but I don't know that was the, "Goal." Again, I'm doing a really poor job with some of the stuff I write if I am supposed to be attracting people to online casinos. It seems, more than ever, when I do talk about them I talk about how promotions either cannot practically be beaten or how the rules should deter one from trying to do so.

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This forum if anything is probably a hindrance, because as you have said people post about bad games, HE, etc... So honestly the forum slowing down or even dying is quite possibly in their overall interest....



Again, if the goal was to hide any of these things, then I am sure I would have been asked to change some of the things that I have written. I think that the owners of the sites value honesty in the writing, if a set of terms and conditions sucks, I say that it sucks.

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Again, I don't inherently disagree with the rule, I just stand by what I said, it will slow traffic, and it will skew posts, but that is likely the goal.



Maybe. I don't know what the goal is other than the stated goal. Whatever the goal is, I am personally satisfied with the side effects, if that is what they are.

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I don't know if DT was sold or not, it still has the classic formatting (that this site used to), and I don't see any ads (I have only briefly glanced at it so could be wrong). But, DT is really only known about by people on here (I don't think anyone who is not a member here randomly joins DT just to discuss politics, because there are better sites for that with far more active bases, really the only advantage it has, is continuing discourse with some people from this site).



DT was not sold and there is one ad belonging to an attorney who is friends with Wizard.

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I am active on very few forums, I enjoy this one because I love gambling, and it has a lot of interesting perspectives from very well versed people.

Your articles are great, but, would you really be asked to write a bunch of articles about online gaming? It is a limited subject, it is much better advertising to have a great article, and on the side some "reccomded casinos ".....



I'm not really talking so much about what I have been asked to write, it's actually more about the fact that I have never been asked NOT to write something. Nothing I have ever written that has stated anything negative about any online casino has ever been removed or edited. I've never been asked to tone anything down. If an online casino sucks, I can say it sucks without the slightest concern for reprimand or censorship.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:16:57 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

How can I?



No problem, that's why I said no offense, but still wasn't what I asked for.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:17:03 PM permalink
Quote: sammydv

Yes he/she would fit right in with most of the mods with these veiled personal attacks...

""Use your common sense.
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head ""

This reminds me why I don't come here much any more. Are all gambling types sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities, or just on gambling forum sites like wov?
And yes, that's a free one right out in the open.

Enjoy the new rule and work it out folks.



The notional thread that I defined titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head was meant to be a humorous reference to hypothetical threads in the future that are in bad taste and that inherently make the OP of such a thread look stupid. It was absolutely not targeted at any individual or any specific post that anyone has made. I have no idea why anyone would interpret it as a veiled personal attack - exactly whom am I supposed to be attacking behind my veils?

Also you snipped out a large portion of my post to make it appear that "Use your common sense" was juxtaposed with Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head; which really changed the meaning of what I posted, making it sound like I was rebuking someone. That's against the forum rules.

And "sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities" is getting close to the line too.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:17:06 PM permalink
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Come on Mission, the owners didn’t buy this site for over 2M to help gamblers. Or any other reason other than to attract customers to online casinos that PAY them for clicking links.

Hopefully I know you well enough that you understand EVERYTHING they do is to get people to those online casinos. It’s the ONLY way they get their money back.

Anything they pay you is in regards to helping them to that end.

I doubt they would even deny it. And it’s the only way they get their return on investment. Surely you understand that.



Exactly, everyone on this site is skeptical of all casino owners and managment (I was once, some years back, even accused of being a sellout for siding with Harrah's managment in a thread -I don't even remeber the details- I just remeber I kept being referred to as Gary Loveman for the longest time, even though ironically I had a history of not being a fan of Caesars properties, anyway- ....) except for when it comes to the owners of this site, people are willingly putting on their blinders....
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:17:15 PM permalink
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What are you going under the knife for? Whatever it is, may the operation be successful and the recovery short.

it's probably not gambling-related so we should probably not talk about it. :-)
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:20:06 PM permalink
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Quote: sammydv

Yes he/she would fit right in with most of the mods with these veiled personal attacks...

""Use your common sense.
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head ""

This reminds me why I don't come here much any more. Are all gambling types sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities, or just on gambling forum sites like wov?
And yes, that's a free one right out in the open.

Enjoy the new rule and work it out folks.



The notional thread that I defined titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head was meant to be a humorous reference to hypothetical threads in the future that are in bad taste and that inherently make the OP look stupid. It was absolutely not targeted at any individual or any specific post that anyone has made. I have no idea why anyone would interpret it as a veiled personal attack - exactly whom am I supposed to be attacking behind my veils?

Also you snipped out a large portion of my post to make it appear that "Use your common sense" was juxtaposed with Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head; which really changed the meaning of what I posted, making it sound like I was rebuking someone. That's against the forum rules.

And "sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities" is getting close to the line too.



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August 13th, 2019 at 2:20:27 PM permalink
I think if this site has been successful at all c(and seems it has) there is proof of contrary goals. Lots of talk about AP, or just better playing, yet the casinos links are here to take your money, not give you any. That's contrary goal success.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:24:15 PM permalink
IF THIS IS GOING TO BE THE LAST HURRAH, I HOPE THE WIZARD DOES US THE COURTESY OF READING EVERY POST.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:24:21 PM permalink
Waiting for the slot industry to come down on me for using an EMF detector in the casinos.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:24:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

it's probably not gambling-related so we should probably not talk about it. :-)


????
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:30:25 PM permalink
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The continued coddling of “Nathan” by the Wizard probably deserves its own forum. Truly makes zero sense to me.

because things aren't always black and white. I think everyone knows by now Nathan is special. Perhaps he just doesn't want to discard of somebody who has special needs. Maybe this shows the wizard has a heart.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:32:09 PM permalink
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????
Going to the hospital is the biggest gamble we take in our lifetime
May the odds be in your favor DRICH

I have no doubt you think having Trump as president was the biggest gamble in our lifetime. Whatever the case, people are going to find a way to include gambling into just about any and all conversations.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:41:45 PM permalink
Here's the most recent of my political betting articles for anyone interested:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/mueller-and-trump-betting/

Apologies, but this one only looks at Predictit and doesn't get as much into the math as the one before that. The main reason for that is because not a lot had changed, but I felt that the Mueller report/testimony was the last best chance for things to change wildly. There shouldn't be much else to look at in this regard until we know who the Democratic nominee is. I might do one on who might become the Democratic Nominee, but I'm waiting for some things to play out before I do that.

If you want one that compares betting sites vs. PredictIt and gets into the true amounts you stand to win (because of PredictIt's fees) then you should also read the one before that.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:45:36 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

because things aren't always black and white. I think everyone knows by now Nathan is special. Perhaps he just doesn't want to discard of somebody who has special needs. Maybe this shows the wizard has a heart.



Ugh, just Ugh.

Ugh, just Ugh.

Ugh, just Ugh.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:46:11 PM permalink
I come here everyday. But sometime I stay only a few seconds because the recent threads are all/most non gaming related. Nathan's corner???
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:48:52 PM permalink
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Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:
-the history of gambling,
-the diversity of gambling equipment (including chips);
- business developments in the corporate gambling world,
- the architecture of casinos,
- things to do in cities/regions where casinos are,
- legal aspects associated with police seizure of assets such as gambler's cash,
- death/illness of gamblers, gaming industry people and forum members

and dozens of other such topics.

And nothing in the Wizard's comments leads me to believe that non-combative off-topic topics will be banned assuming they are in good taste and add something to the community that uses this forum. Use your common sense.

Banned Threads
Politics
Gun control
Abortion
Immigration
Religion
Sexual preference
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head

Examples of Allowable Off-Topic Threads
Weight Loss
What Are You Reading?
Licence Plate Collecting (lol)
Solar Eclipse
Forum Contests
etc.

how could you possibly forget the most important thread ???.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:50:37 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz



I know I laughed my rectum off when I read it



Might want to go find that before the bus gets to far down the road.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:51:58 PM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

I come here everyday. But sometime I stay only a few seconds because the recent threads are all/most non gaming related. Nathan's corner???



Start a thread of your own! It should remain on the list for longer than fifteen seconds. Even if it does get bounced, it'll at least more likely than not be by another gambling-related thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:53:40 PM permalink
Could be worse.

https://www.salon.com/2019/05/17/exclusive-burning-man-is-supposed-to-be-a-safe-space-sexual-assault-survivors-say-its-not/

Seems the liberals are getting exactly what they created at a “Free for All” festival in the desert for junkies, perverts and other deviants.

Trading water for sex, what could go wrong?

We do have 24 hours? Right?
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:55:56 PM permalink
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I am guessing slapped and tickled.

that was pretty damn funny.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:59:01 PM permalink
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We do have 24 hours? Right?



That's right. 17 hours left. At least somebody is taking advantage of his last hours of freedom.



Very colorful list of posters so far today!
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:03:19 PM permalink
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Can you please just rename this thread: HOW EVENBOB EVENTUALLY KILLED THE FORUM.
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:07:55 PM permalink
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Just a spinal fusion. It is a common surgery with 80%-85% success.



It is a common surgery, but it has a fairly long recovery time. Best wishes and hoping for the best possible outcome!
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:12:01 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Could be worse.

https://www.salon.com/2019/05/17/exclusive-burning-man-is-supposed-to-be-a-safe-space-sexual-assault-survivors-say-its-not/

Seems the liberals are getting exactly what they created at a “Free for All” festival in the desert for junkies, perverts and other deviants.

Trading water for sex, what could go wrong?

We do have 24 hours? Right?



Don't do it, Mission. Don't say it. You don't have to say it. You don't have to comment. Just let the post go. Don't say it would be an inteersting study if there was a way to determine whether more sexual assaults take place at festivals or on church property. In fact, just don't mention churches at all.

What's your problem with churches, anyway? You do KNOW most of those people are okay, right? Just a little bit stupid, that's all.

Anyway, don't reply to this post. You won't be able to do so in under 18 hours anyway.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:12:36 PM permalink
wait, nathan is such a moron that she signed in under multiple aliases when they are all banned. wow
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:13:25 PM permalink
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Quote: sammydv

Yes he/she would fit right in with most of the mods with these veiled personal attacks...

""Use your common sense.
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head ""

This reminds me why I don't come here much any more. Are all gambling types sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities, or just on gambling forum sites like wov?
And yes, that's a free one right out in the open.

Enjoy the new rule and work it out folks.



The notional thread that I defined titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head was meant to be a humorous reference to hypothetical threads in the future that are in bad taste and that inherently make the OP of such a thread look stupid. It was absolutely not targeted at any individual or any specific post that anyone has made. I have no idea why anyone would interpret it as a veiled personal attack - exactly whom am I supposed to be attacking behind my veils?

Also you snipped out a large portion of my post to make it appear that "Use your common sense" was juxtaposed with Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head; which really changed the meaning of what I posted, making it sound like I was rebuking someone. That's against the forum rules.

And "sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities" is getting close to the line too.



Wow. And out of a Kabillion references you could come up with you choose something about a rectum and someones head up it?
Yes. I snipped only the relevant examples of my comment points.

"Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:"

This is in direct response to my post about chips not being related to gambling and no one else because I'm the only one who stated this.
So was the rest of your post.

Then you had to add needlessly this 'humorous' anal comment which is of course a veiled 'humorous' comment. Which you know when taken by the community could be thought of as 'humorous' but you have effectively nailed your intended target as they know who they are.

But have your fun, because this whole thread has been predictably and effectively blown completely off the rails as is the usual on this website from what I've seen.

The over and under for this thread would be NOT be will it be blown off topic, but how quickly the regulars can decimate the thread. I would be very rich if I bet the odds for decimation.

What was this thread about again? And why are other people mentioning unrelated other members?

Last post on this subject and self defense.
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:21:31 PM permalink
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But have your fun, because this whole thread has been predictably and effectively blown completely off the rails as is the usual on this website from what I've seen.



Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't hold off on that church retort. It was too good. So dark, so oozing with contempt. I'm sorry, I really am. I think I need to admit I have a problem. Well, another problem.

Quote:

The over and under for this thread would be NOT be will it be blown off topic, but how quickly the regulars can decimate the thread. I would be very rich if I bet the odds for decimation.

What was this thread about again? And why are other people mentioning unrelated other members?

Last post on this subject and self defense.



What was this thread about? About 24 hours. My understanding is the thread itself is getting closed when time expires.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:22:43 PM permalink
I'm still not understanding this. All the
myriad of threads that deal with TV
shows, climate change, how hot is
it today, unicycles, movies, Bitcoin,
on and on. It's still OK to post in
those threads because they aren't
political or religious?
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