New Rule
Quote: WizardThat's right. 17 hours left. At least somebody is taking advantage of his last hours of freedom.
Very colorful list of posters so far today!
Always wondered why permanently banned posters can still log in and get PM’s.
I don’t have an issue with suspended posters, but why do all of Nathan’s socks show up as members daily. Maybe for some internet rating system.
Then again it’s how Mission figured out one of 1BB’s socks.
Always follow the money, always. Base your life on this simple truth and we are better people.
Hope Wizard gets some of his joy back, he certainly put a lot of work into the site. But the $ wasn't bad compensation . At one time he was asking for donations and now seems to be travelling the world enjoying himself. Congratulations on monetizing your passion.
I wish Zuga would have contributed more about Serb topics having personal experience in the area, with so much going on there, Ukraine etc. Thanks Zuga, Mike, others.
The site has been of great benefit to me, having a place to visit with almost family like quality's. Even some of the back biting. Nothing good lasts forever.
Quote: Wizard
Very colorful list of posters so far today!
Rainbow Nation
Quote: Bozsnip..Always follow the money, always. Base your life on this simple truth and we are better people.
It's never been any different.
Quote: AxelWolfCan you please just rename this thread: HOW EVENBOB EVENTUALLY KILLED THE FORUM.
Evenbob is now going to have time to work on his expanded short story novelette "For Whom the Bell Trolls">
Quote: Mission146Feel free to start a new Baccarat thread that discusses your play.
Why on earth would I want to do that? It can only lead in one direction - negativity and endless rebuttal.
Its ironic Trump, Homophobia, racism can all be discussed, yet Baccarat gets short shrift on a gambling related site.
Quote: Mission146Feel free to start a new Baccarat thread that discusses your play.
Are you a high-limit player who can work the loss rebates? Only if the need arises, I lose against shoes, not sessions
Quote: GandlerThe reality is, this site is owned by people who make money from getting more players on their online casinos.
It doesn't work like that. Members here do not have access any of the online casinos for the owners to make money. They make money simply from visitors (affiliated links), every time you access the site, open a page, fractional pennies rack up.
redacted, I get it.Quote: CyrusVWhy on earth would I want to do that? It can only lead in one direction - negativity and endless rebuttal.
Its ironic Trump, Homophobia, racism can all be discussed, yet Baccarat gets short shrift on a gambling related site.
Quote: CyrusVWhy on earth would I want to do that? It can only lead in one direction - negativity and endless rebuttal.
The house edge is the house edge, so if you are suggesting that you can be a long run winner against the house edge, then there is sure to be rebuttal. I look forward to the debate. Depending on your bets and the number of hands you've played in your life, we could even determine the rough probability of your being ahead randomly.
Somewhere there is a dice controller who is still ahead. Somewhere there is a dice controller who will die ahead. But, not because he controlled the dice.
I had a foolproof horse racing system, at least, after the fact. The only race I have ever bet in my life was profitable and I decided never to bet on a horse race again. It's the greatest system ever and I will die a winner. More than that, anyone claiming to be a handicapper who even attempts to boast of the profit margin I have over the course of my lifetime betting would be laughed out of anywhere.
Quote:Its ironic Trump, Homophobia, racism can all be discussed, yet Baccarat gets short shrift on a gambling related site.
Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick.
Quote:Only if the need arises, I lose against shoes, not sessions
Yes, no doubt Phil Ivey is a winning Baccarat player, or at least could have been, had the casinos not sued him.
Quote:It doesn't work like that. Members here do not have access any of the online casinos for the owners to make money. They make money simply from visitors (affiliated links), every time you access the site, open a page, fractional pennies rack up.
That's pretty neat if that's the case. Cool long game. No wonder we are so content-oriented.
Quote: AxelWolfCan you please just rename this thread: HOW EVENBOB EVENTUALLY KILLED THE FORUM.
There must be 2 EBs out there
EB goes over the DT to start a Gay thread
Then EB blocks the thread
WTF
He doesn't want to post about Vegas or gambling yet he pratically lives on this board. weird
Quote: terapinedThere must be 2 EBs out there
EB goes over the DT to start a Gay thread
Then EB blocks the thread
WTF
He doesn't want to post about Vegas or gambling yet he pratically lives on this board. weird
EB and Buzz contributed to the growth of this forum, regardless of if it ever made anyone money. Have they not entertained us? The world will be a lessor place without them. And a helluva lot more PC.
Sorry but I love those guys, and others like on both political sides.
Quote: EvenBobI'm still not understanding this. All the
myriad of threads that deal with TV
shows, climate change, how hot is
it today, unicycles, movies, Bitcoin,
on and on. It's still OK to post in
those threads because they aren't
political or religious?
I see it as SCOUTS "I know it when I see it" standard. I can deal with that.
Quote: Mission146
I had a foolproof horse racing system, at least, after the fact. The only race I have ever bet in my life was profitable and I decided never to bet on a horse race again. It's the greatest system ever and I will die a winner. More than that, anyone claiming to be a handicapper who even attempts to boast of the profit margin I have over the course of my lifetime betting would be laughed out of anywhere.
The main problem with "systems" in horse racing is that you are up against the parimutuel system. An idea might actually show a profit, until prices get forced down by success.
My belief is that "body language" will always be profitable, given the nature of people they will never study this field enough to take the profitability out of it. (is profitability a word?) Most players go straight to the Racing Form, then to the beer lines. I spend most of my time in the paddock/walking ring. It's like "tells" in poker, studying tells will never get old.
Quote: terapined????
Going to the hospital is the biggest gamble we take in our lifetime
May the odds be in your favor DRICH
Personal insult directed at me! Often patients ask me how dangerous a certain anesthetic/procedure is. I often tell them.... “Not as dangerous as letting your husband drive you home after!”
I’m interested in DR’s experience. I’m sure we will be regaled!
Quote: terapinedThere must be 2 EBs out there
EB goes over the DT to start a Gay thread
Then EB blocks the thread
Nobody there wants to talk about
that, so I blocked. I also didn't like
a new member taking my post
from WoV, I didn't trust it.
Quote: AZDuffmanI see it as SCOUTS "I know it when I see it" standard. I can deal with that.
Here I thought it was the Epstein Thread that prompted this New Rule. Now that I've read more about this I guess it was a bunch of different threads that pushed it over the edge. I didn't even know there was a Gay Thread, guess I missed that one. I can't imagine. lol And I really don't have an urge to go find it. Maybe on a rainy day.
Quote: SOOPOOPersonal insult directed at me! Often patients ask me how dangerous a certain anesthetic/procedure is.
I don't get it, this went over my head. Soopoo, are you a doctor or something like that?
Quote: bobbartopI don't get it, this went over my head. Soopoo, are you a doctor or something like that?
He's some retired guy living in FL,
pay no attention to him.
Quote: bobbartopI don't get it, this went over my head. Soopoo, are you a doctor or something like that?
Yea, something like that, but more importantly a good dude overall.
And the world needs more SooPoo’s.
Sadly this site will have less moving forward.
Quote: ParadigmNo doubt this rule will result in a changeover of the current majority posters.
As a result, new viewers of the site will likely find what that they were looking for when they clicked the search link...I can't imagine what goes through the mind of a new visitor that clicks the link at the bottom of the WoO site and ends up seeing the cesspool that is Recent Threads. Those new visitors certainly won't stay/join as new members if they are interested in gambling.
I would broaden the Forum Topics to include threads like SooPoo's Portfolio thread...basically topics involving money and risk which certainly investing & gambling have in common. Look at how many Wall St. guys play poker! I was going to start a thread on NHL Futures, but decided why bother as the thread would get buried instantly by the onslaught of new political threads and get no responses...and I know, no one likes the NHL anyway except for PokerGrinder (Go Jets Go...and what happened to Helle last season?) plus a few other members that slip my mind right now.
Some old gambling-centric posters will return and/or post more of what is happening in the gaming world both from an innovation and current events standpoint. I certainly don't post here much anymore because the majority of the posters here don't care about gambling topics (and I know plenty of others in the innovation world that feel the same).
Wiz, simultaneously with banning political topics here, close down DT and start up WizardofPolitics.com site. Charge a $2/month subscription price. You'd make money and the portion of Wov that likes the political discussion along with the DT only members may jump over there because they like the current political community/banter and are familiar with the website set up. Give these members what they want & charge them for it because advertisers likely won't be that interested in paying to be there. You could force members to internally confidentially disclose (e.g. no other member sees the disclosure) their political leaning upon sign up and if enough of both sides of the political spectrum vote a member off the island as abusive, that member gets banned. You could even pay a moderator with a portion of the subscription dollhairs. $0.07/day is a small price to pay if the alternative is to quit their daily posting addiction...I'd expect a high conversion rate to the modest subscription price model.
It will be a long transition Wiz, but it is time to take back control of what this Forum was intended to be...and maybe you create an even better place for the political posters to have their own site and make some money for providing the experience.
I will post more and probably even create topics now that I don't have to wade through dozens of frivolous topics that have nothing to do with why i joined here 10 years ago. It turned into a cesspool of non gambling related posts that should be discussed at DT or another site.
ZCore13
Quote: bobbartopI don't get it, this went over my head. Soopoo, are you a doctor or something like that?
I am an anesthesiologist. So I was just defending my profession! Anesthesia is SO much safer now than when I started practicing, our malpractice rates are WAY lower than they used to be. 30 years ago it was $20k a year, now it's around $10k a year. Figure in inflation and rates are maybe 1/5 what they were.
Quote: Zcore13I will post more and probably even create topics now that I don't have to wade through dozens of frivolous topics that have nothing to do with why i joined here 10 years ago. It turned into a cesspool of non gambling related posts that should be discussed at DT or another site.
ZCore13
A thread about table games from a manager's perspective would be awesome!
Quote: rxwineEvenbob is now going to have time to work on his expanded short story novelette "For Whom the Bell Trolls">
I was suspended for 3 days for using that line. Guess you thought there wasn't enough red in the graphic the Wiz posted. Maybe it's ok since it's directed at EvenBob
Quote: EvenBobHe's some retired guy living in FL,
pay no attention to him.
Gee, Bob, I usually try to read something Soopoo has posted. Seems pretty rational. I must be missing something.
Quote: SOOPOOPersonal insult directed at me! Often patients ask me how dangerous a certain anesthetic/procedure is. I often tell them.... “Not as dangerous as letting your husband drive you home after!”
I’m interested in DR’s experience. I’m sure we will be regaled!
I could regale you with the first 22 surgeries, hopefully this one is not memorable.
Quote: ams288Is anyone actually going to be posting here more now than they did previously?
To start, perhaps a select few people who couldn't figure out how to block threads they didn't like will post more to try to prove a point. But that will die off.
I'll be here more if the insane right-wing political echo chamber stops invading every thread.
Quote: rdw4potusI'm very interested in election futures betting. I hope that's fair game?
It’s betting! I’ve written a few articles to that effect, it could make for a decent thread as long as people keep it to the betting aspect. The main reason I never started such a thread is because we already had a ton of politics threads, so I’d just pick one and link my articles in there with a short description.
Quote: rdw4potus
I'll be here more if the insane right-wing political echo chamber stops invading every thread.
Well that was very mature. Sounds like the place is improving already.
Quote: Mission146It’s betting! I’ve written a few articles to that effect, it could make for a decent thread as long as people keep it to the betting aspect. The main reason I never started such a thread is because we already had a ton of politics threads, so I’d just pick one and link my articles in there with a short description.
The problem is I’m not sure there is an advantage to be found. Granted Max made a lot of money in 16, but I think it’s more on personal beliefs than actual facts.
If we assume Trump voters are under represented in polls, which is obvious, how do you factor that into the odds? Or is it already factored in?
I look forward to your analysis Mission in 2020 and perhaps before as I wonder if the best opportunities are out there now. With the obvious risks, no different than NFL future betting.
Quote: BozThe problem is I’m not sure there is an advantage to be found. Granted Max made a lot of money in 16, but I think it’s more on personal beliefs than actual facts.
If we assume Trump voters are under represented in polls, which is obvious, how do you factor that into the odds? Or is it already factored in?
I look forward to your analysis Mission in 2020 and perhaps before as I wonder if the best opportunities are out there now. With the obvious risks, no different than NFL future betting.
There are some advantages to be found on the binaries like Predictit because you can bet both sides of a question. For one thing, many of the offshore sports books didn’t even have an option for a bettor to wager that Trump would NOT be removed from office because they basically knew it wasn’t happening.
It should tell a bettor something when the sportsbook itself is willing to fade an entire side of a bet.
The value on anything Trump has largely faded from Predictit, but there was a time when there was some fairly substantial value to be found...the main downside being the long wait to get the return (unless you sold the binary for a profit) but the question itself was a lock.
As far as Election betting, the national polls wouldn’t really matter at all, underrepresented, overrepresented, or correctly represented. The only states that matter are the potential swing states due to the Electoral College. Anyway, I don’t speak much to 2020 election betting yet mainly because we don’t know who Trump’s challenger will be.
There’s a line on Predictit right now relating Trump to be GOP nominee. The yes is an absolute lock. You’re basically just betting that he’s not going to die between now and then. Certainly he’d have announced it by now if not running for re-election.
Quote: BozThe problem is I’m not sure there is an advantage to be found. Granted Max made a lot of money in 16, but I think it’s more on personal beliefs than actual facts.
If we assume Trump voters are under represented in polls, which is obvious, how do you factor that into the odds? Or is it already factored in?
I look forward to your analysis Mission in 2020 and perhaps before as I wonder if the best opportunities are out there now. With the obvious risks, no different than NFL future betting.
And any advantage you do find is usually severely limited by the amount of money you can get down on it. Most of my action in 2016 was with private individuals. Used online numbers as a reference for formulating the bets. Usually involved me giving a slightly better price but allowing me to get more money down on the direction I wanted to take.
I think even the liberals are starting to realize the Ministry of Propaganda controls alot of the polls.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/08/13/new-york-times-lawns-are-symbols-of-racism-and-bad-for-global-warming/
Quote: vegasOne thing that bothers me about this place is watching people cry to the mods anytime someone says something even remotely insulting. We are not in elementary school here. Let the mods do their job. They don’t need us whining about every comment that hurts someone’s feelings. They will sort it out and take action if needed. Let the mods be mods.....
Atleast the new environment will allow their individual biases to show thru less. Actually, they probably will only need one with the reduction of posts and traffic. Most gambling only websites I can keep up with in less than 15 minutes total per week.
Quote: EvenBobIs this thread open or closed
How Heisenberg.
Quote: MaxPenThis world has gone so far with PC that lawns are now being declared racist. It is probably fitting that this site implements more censorship and tries to promote groupthink.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/08/13/new-york-times-lawns-are-symbols-of-racism-and-bad-for-global-warming/
Do you actually read source material or just believe a false description and because its Briebart, you will believe their lies. Sad
????????
Racist??????
I read the NY times article and watched the NY Times video
Its about the history of grass lawns.
Its interesting
BUT
Nowhere in the in the article says lawns are racist
Its simply about lawns. Breibart describes it as an expose. WTF. Its lawns. There is nothing to expose. Its a boring subject
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/video/lawn-grass-environment-history.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
Quote: rdw4potusQuote: ams288Is anyone actually going to be posting here more now than they did previously?
To start, perhaps a select few people who couldn't figure out how to block threads they didn't like will post more to try to prove a point. But that will die off.
I'll be here more if the insane right-wing political echo chamber stops invading every thread.
I'll make note of that. Thanks. I guess you don't mind the insane left-wing political echo chamber which invades every thread? The number of times I've read "Orange idiot" and the like is mind numbing.
Quote: terapinedDo you actually read source material or just believe a false description and because its Briebart, you will believe their lies. Sad
????????
Racist??????
I read the NY times article and watched the NY Times video
Its about the history of grass lawns.
Its interesting
BUT
Nowhere in the in the article says lawns are racist
Awww let Maxpen enjoy his what is it now? 3 1/2 hours left of politics baiting.
It will all be over soon
He's gonna have to start hailing buses for entertainment (happy, Max I spelled it with only 2 's'
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: rdw4potusQuote: ams288Is anyone actually going to be posting here more now than they did previously?
To start, perhaps a select few people who couldn't figure out how to block threads they didn't like will post more to try to prove a point. But that will die off.
I'll be here more if the insane right-wing political echo chamber stops invading every thread.
I'll make note of that. Thanks. I guess you don't mind the insane left-wing political echo chamber which invades every thread? The number of times I've read "Orange idiot" and the like is mind numbing.
Don't forget the MangoMussolini.
Kumbaya
Quote: sammydvQuote: gordonm888Quote: sammydvYes he/she would fit right in with most of the mods with these veiled personal attacks...
""Use your common sense.
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head ""
This reminds me why I don't come here much any more. Are all gambling types sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities, or just on gambling forum sites like wov?
And yes, that's a free one right out in the open.
Enjoy the new rule and work it out folks.
The notional thread that I defined titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head was meant to be a humorous reference to hypothetical threads in the future that are in bad taste and that inherently make the OP of such a thread look stupid. It was absolutely not targeted at any individual or any specific post that anyone has made. I have no idea why anyone would interpret it as a veiled personal attack - exactly whom am I supposed to be attacking behind my veils?
Also you snipped out a large portion of my post to make it appear that "Use your common sense" was juxtaposed with Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head; which really changed the meaning of what I posted, making it sound like I was rebuking someone. That's against the forum rules.
And "sanctimoniously narcissistic personalities" is getting close to the line too.
Wow. And out of a Kabillion references you could come up with you choose something about a rectum and someones head up it?
Yes. I snipped only the relevant examples of my comment points.
"Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:"
This is in direct response to my post about chips not being related to gambling and no one else because I'm the only one who stated this.
So was the rest of your post.
Then you had to add needlessly this 'humorous' anal comment which is of course a veiled 'humorous' comment. Which you know when taken by the community could be thought of as 'humorous' but you have effectively nailed your intended target as they know who they are.
But have your fun, because this whole thread has been predictably and effectively blown completely off the rails as is the usual on this website from what I've seen.
The over and under for this thread would be NOT be will it be blown off topic, but how quickly the regulars can decimate the thread. I would be very rich if I bet the odds for decimation.
What was this thread about again? And why are other people mentioning unrelated other members?
Last post on this subject and self defense.
Holy crap, I had no idea that you were one of the people I was responding to. I'm sorry if I offended you. Honestly, I've only noticed your name once or twice on the threads in this forum before today and I don't believe I've ever chatted with you before. Frankly, I know nothing about you and I barely realized you existed, so please don't think this was a personal thing. I just felt that you and other posters were trying to stir the pot by asking a ton of lawyerly questions that all assumed some draconian doomsday interpretation of Shackleford's new rule, and so I was trying to help clarify and reassure people.
The attempted humor about a thread that is titled "Things I have stuck up my rectum" that includes a picture of your head was not at all a reference to your (sammydv's) head - I swear I am totally innocent of that. I was not trying to insult anyone -I was just trying to conjure up the stupidest thread of all time so we could all laugh together.
I'm sorry I've gotten off to a bad start with you. I hope our next interaction will be under more pleasant circumstances.
Geez, this is the most incredible misunderstanding I've been involved in in some time. And I'm starting to warm up to the idea of a thread called "Things I have stuck up my rectum" so we can all post photos -even if its just pics of thermometers and doctor's fingers.
Quote: BozQuote: CyrusV
Quote: ams288Is anyone actually going to be posting here more now than they did previously?
The site should be about quality and not content. Given your 100,000 life time of posts, what have you ever posted that could be deemed of value to anybody else, a single gambling related post will do!!
AMS recently posted a trip report that was interesting to many of us that visit Vegas as tourists. And honestly helps attract the type of new members the owners want.
Don’t often agree with AMS but the s*4t he is taking from some for stating his opinion is garbage. It’s why the Wiz opened this up for comments for 24 hours.
The s*** I’m taking is mostly coming from members I’ve never even heard of before today. Cyrus.... who? “Puckerbutt”? What?!
I’ve been debating whether or not to do another trip report for my Labor Day weekend trip in a few weeks. I’m hesitant because I think it’ll be extremely similar to my last TR (staying 4 nights at the Wynn this time - completely free thanks to the Wynn Slots app). Last time was Encore, so not much difference at all.
When classed as miserable, a member suffers ;
1. Slow response (time delay) on every page (20 to 60 seconds default).
2. A chance they will get the "server busy" message (50% by default).
3. A chance that no search facilities will be available (75% by default).
4. A chance they will get redirected to another preset page (25% & homepage by default).
5. A chance they will simply get a blank page (25% by default).
6. Post flood limit increased by a defined factor (10 times by default).
7. If they get past all this okay, then they will be served up their proper page.
Quote: JoelDezeAll I can say is thank you. I'm happy with the change. I always liked the "miserable users" add on from vbulletin when I used to build add ons for that software. If a user became a miserable user, they wouldn't be blocked or banned at all. Instead the following happened:
When classed as miserable, a member suffers ;
1. Slow response (time delay) on every page (20 to 60 seconds default).
2. A chance they will get the "server busy" message (50% by default).
3. A chance that no search facilities will be available (75% by default).
4. A chance they will get redirected to another preset page (25% & homepage by default).
5. A chance they will simply get a blank page (25% by default).
6. Post flood limit increased by a defined factor (10 times by default).
7. If they get past all this okay, then they will be served up their proper page.
Who decides who is a miserable user?
On here that could easily be weaponized
Dont like someone handing out AP secrets in their upcoming book, BAM, they are flagged as a miserable user
Dont like people who travel to casinos by bus, BAM, they are suddenly miserable users
Quote: darkozWho decides who is a miserable user?
On here that could easily be weaponized
Dont like someone handing out AP secrets in their upcoming book, BAM, they are flagged as a miserable user
Dont like people who travel to casinos by bus, BAM, they are suddenly miserable users
The ones in charge decide of course. Pretty much all people want to do today is put others in confined boxes because they disagree with them and want to stifle their perspective from being heard or seen. I find that those with supposed liberal progressive viewpoints are the most guilty of this. You may be an anomaly in a sea of wannabe controllers.
Quote: darkozWho decides who is a miserable user?
On here that could easily be weaponized
Dont like someone handing out AP secrets in their upcoming book, BAM, they are flagged as a miserable user
Dont like people who travel to casinos by bus, BAM, they are suddenly miserable users
Moderators and Administrators determined that for vbulletin.
Quote: MaxPenThe ones in charge decide of course. Pretty much all people want to do today is put others in confined boxes because they disagree with them and want to stifle their perspective from being heard or seen. I find that those with supposed liberal progressive viewpoints are the most guilty of this. You may be an anomaly in a sea of wannabe controllers.
I have always supported free speech. KKK or Nazis want to hold a rally and yelling "Jews will not replace us" I totally support that free speech right. I lean left and I totally support that right
but
This web site is private property. There is absolutely no free speech right on private property. Whole different ballgame
Quote: terapinedI have always supported free speech. KKK or Nazis want to hold a rally and yelling "Jews will not replace us" I totally support that free speech right. I lean left and I totally support that right
but
This web site is private property. There is absolutely no free speech right on private property. Whole different ballgame
Who said anything about this site directly? Why do you jump to so many conclusions? Also interesting that you select 2 pretty vile groups of people to try and make your point.
There are alot of companies that choose to involve themselves in politics and voice opinions on religion and various other things. Most of them wind up shooting themself in the foot when they do.
dude give her a break, she's probably checking her Private messages.,:-)Quote: GWAEwait, nathan is such a moron that she signed in under multiple aliases when they are all banned. wow
I somewhat like this idea however people just use vpns and other sorts of things and make sock puppets.Quote: JoelDezeAll I can say is thank you. I'm happy with the change. I always liked the "miserable users" add on from vbulletin when I used to build add ons for that software. If a user became a miserable user, they wouldn't be blocked or banned at all. Instead the following happened:
When classed as miserable, a member suffers ;
1. Slow response (time delay) on every page (20 to 60 seconds default).
2. A chance they will get the "server busy" message (50% by default).
3. A chance that no search facilities will be available (75% by default).
4. A chance they will get redirected to another preset page (25% & homepage by default).
5. A chance they will simply get a blank page (25% by default).
6. Post flood limit increased by a defined factor (10 times by default).
7. If they get past all this okay, then they will be served up their proper page.
