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billryan
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April 29th, 2020 at 8:08:40 PM permalink
So now we have two threads where this guy is telling us Singer won $300,000 over three years. It's a good thing you no longer provide an outlet for his nonsense.
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April 29th, 2020 at 8:28:48 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

So now we have two threads where this guy is telling us Singer won $300,000 over three years. It's a good thing you no longer provide an outlet for his nonsense.



The Wizard started this new thread for the discussion.
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April 29th, 2020 at 9:05:16 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

So now we have two threads where this guy is telling us Singer won $300,000 over three years. It's a good thing you no longer provide an outlet for his nonsense.



I think sometimes when people are duped they can't embrace the fact wholly, so they apply some partial acknowledgement. "Singer didn't make a million, he only made $300,000".

Years ago there was some whackjob who went by the handle Cipher on some questionable forums who swore he could beat online blackjack by some voodoo. A lot of idiots bought into his crap. Eventually it came crashing down when one of them sent him $10,000 as an "investment", had it stolen, and then "exposed" the scammer. Why it took someone losing 10k to expose him is beyond me. But regardless, the guy who lost 10k still wasn't willing to acknowledge that Cipher was a scammer who didn't have any system to beat blackjack. He decided that he could have used his 10k using his super blackjack voodoo, but instead blew it all on sportsbetting. He couldn't just admit that this Cipher was a liar, he had to come up with some convoluted explanation that acknowledged that he was scammed, but somehow wasn't totally wrong at the same time.

Same with those duped by Singer.
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April 29th, 2020 at 9:21:12 PM permalink
Sabre, I don't know if you are familiar with cognitive dissonance theory, but it started with a book called "When Prophecy Fails," by Leon Festinger. It's a great read if you like to read about people failing to change their minds when presented with conflicting evidence, even overwhelming conflicting evidence.

The first thing I thought when "Singer" went on his initial double up confession at VCT was, "I bet Mendelson is thrilled to read this." I'm pretty sure that was my first comment over there.
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April 29th, 2020 at 9:52:13 PM permalink
I do not see the point of this. Was someone somehow damaged or was this lie used to gain something other than attention? Cliff notes please. From what I've read, I'm not seeing any accusations anyone was hurt rather than being dragged into time wasted reading nonsense.
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April 29th, 2020 at 9:56:16 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

I think sometimes when people are duped they can't embrace the fact wholly, so they apply some partial acknowledgement. "Singer didn't make a million, he only made $300,000".



Believe me, Sabre, I embrace, embrace, embrace the fact that I was duped and I embrace it wholly.

When Rob confessed to me that he didn't tell me the truth HE made the statement that he won about $300,000 over three years. I'm simply reporting what he told me. I have NO PROOF that is true either. I have NO PROOF that he discovered or even used the double up bug.

I have NO PROOF of any of his claims and unfortunately HE DOESN'T EITHER.

I hope that when/if Wizard meets with Singer he gets the proof.

I don't have it. I'm sorry. I blew it as a reporter.
AlanMendelson
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April 29th, 2020 at 10:04:17 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I do not see the point of this. Was someone somehow damaged or was this lie used to gain something other than attention? Cliff notes please. From what I've read, I'm not seeing any accusations anyone was hurt rather than being dragged into time wasted reading nonsense.



It's questionable whether I was damaged. Yes, I was highly criticized for reporting on Singer's strategies and claims. Yes, I defended many of his statements. Was I damaged? That's debatable, but I did suffer a lot of personal attacks.

Yes, he gained a lot of publicity from me by giving me incorrect information. But did I suffer a loss of money or reputation? That would be hard to define.

The bottom line for me is that I want to get all the details known. Then you decide what you want to decide.
onenickelmiracle
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April 29th, 2020 at 10:30:07 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It's questionable whether I was damaged. Yes, I was highly criticized for reporting on Singer's strategies and claims. Yes, I defended many of his statements. Was I damaged? That's debatable, but I did suffer a lot of personal attacks.

Yes, he gained a lot of publicity from me by giving me incorrect information. But did I suffer a loss of money or reputation? That would be hard to define.

The bottom line for me is that I want to get all the details known. Then you decide what you want to decide.



Who has he damaged? Is this my dream or your dream? Has that dreamlike feel in how it all leads nowhere but in circles.
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AlanMendelson
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April 29th, 2020 at 10:53:07 PM permalink
Why does he have to damage anyone?

Isn't it enough that misinformation was spread around about a gaming system that didn't deliver one million of profits over ten years?

Is it okay to claim discovery of a bug in a machine owned by IGT and to claim he got $2.8-million from casinos? I think IGT might have been damaged here. What if IGT lost sales but Singer has no proof of his claims?
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April 29th, 2020 at 11:05:40 PM permalink
AlanMendelson: Let me ask you a tough question and give some criticism here.

99% of this forum didn't/ doesn't believe that Rob Singers video poker system worked whatsoever(I hope that's the case)). Why is it that you wanted to believe? You're an intelligent person, a gambler who knows more than the average person about gambling, and a reporter... so If anyone should have known better.... IT WAS YOU.

For a long time now you have been an Advantage Player/math guy antagonist, did that play a part in your decision making when it came to promoting his claims? Be honest, what was your motivation?

Like seriously, what's so hard for people to understand SYSTEMS DON'T WORK unless the math adds up to + numbers. Will you ever get it through your head that actual advantage play works and all this other nonsense doesn't?

When you run a business( I know you have) don't you count on the math to determine if you're going to make a profit or not? If it's costing you more to provide a service or item than they're paying you, do you trust the math that it's not going to make money or do you ignore the math and hope it all works out? Why do people suddenly want to ignore the math when it comes to gambling?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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