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ChumpChange
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April 30th, 2020 at 1:48:44 AM permalink
Poker: A short-term strategy that works - By Rob Singer - Mar 5, 2008 https://www.gamingtoday.com/poker/article/311-A_short_term_strategy_that_works
ChumpChange
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April 30th, 2020 at 2:02:15 AM permalink
I'm gonna have to call this a tie.
AxelWolf
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April 30th, 2020 at 4:28:06 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Valid questions, Axel.

Here's why I believed him: First, I read his newspaper column for years and I trusted the editorial process and that his reports were correct.

Then I followed his website for years when he had it.

Then I spoke with him and we spent hours talking.

Then I did several on camera interviews.

What was missing was the proof of his claims but I trusted him and his explanations. The first time I did a video shoot with him at the Hard Rock I saw how he was treated and how he interacted with the manager there. Rob also arranged the logistics of the shoot there. That impressed me and also made me believe and trust him otherwise he wouldn't have been treated the way he was.

This continued for about ten years until his confession. That made me reexamine the big missing link: no proof. Always an explanation but never proof.

Now regarding Singer's math. I said this before and I'll say it again. There is nothing about Singer's system that goes against the math. He plays negative expectation games. His system says get lucky and quit when ahead. He has a $170,000 bankroll but will quit with a gain of even $1,000. He plays high limit VP. Any quad at $5 Bonus Poker pays half of his win goal.

Either you accept that or you don't. Every grandma in a casino who cashes out after a winner and goes to the buffet understands that concept.

Rob should have stuck to that concept. Had he never brought up the double-up bug or made his claims, this new chapter would never have started.

Anytime you're playing and negative EV game it's all about getting lucky.
Why don't/ didn't you just interview everyone who gambles?

The system was being promoted that it would work for you as well(work meaning... if you followed his system you would Make money). His whole premise was based on how to make money by not being an Advantage Player. I.E. F**k the math.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Johnzimbo
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April 30th, 2020 at 5:39:24 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Here's why I believed him: First, I read his newspaper column for years and I trusted the editorial process and that his reports were correct.



The first time I read one of his GT columns I knew he was a charlatan
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April 30th, 2020 at 9:10:25 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

That is correct. And when he told me about the glitch story at Red Rock which was before he told anyone else, I asked him for his proof. He said he had none.

In HIS article on my website there is a note from me about his lack of proof: no machine, no docs, no recordings, no W2Gs, nothing.

And that is when everything started to unwind in my mind.



Three things:

1) Even without W2Gs, there should be evidence of his "Rumblin' and Stumblin' While Doublin'." He was traveling all over Nevada, right? Well, certainly he would have credit card receipts, gas bills, and hotel bills paralleling his routes as he went. Those would be retrievable.

2) Family members should be able to verify the glitch story with details. Singer claims he lost hundreds of thousands as an AP player before he started all of this systems and glitch stuff. If he claims all of his family members were kept in the dark regarding the glitch, well, that is an enormous red flag. You mean all of his family members, every single one, were okay with his running all over the place playing negative expectation games because they expected him to win after he had already lost hundreds of thousands? Think about it. He allegedly lost a boatload while playing video poker as an AP, which preceded this, right? Why would his family then be on board with his running around playing for years afterwards unless they knew about the glitch? So if any of his family members are employed by the government where publicly lying about this would be more of a cost than a benefit, I would ask them if they could verify it. I would be very curious to see if his children would be willing to go on camera to verify the story.

3) Outside of the family, someone, somewhere should be able to verify the story. Singer said he called Gaming Today to apologize for lying to them all of those years. Well, who did he call? Would that person be willing to go on camera? Gaming Today, I imagine, would be furious with him. Singer lied in front page articles for years, misguiding readers? If Alan Mendelson comes forward with the story that Singer was lying to readers, then that means Gaming Today was also lying to readers. Gaming Today would then be forced to explain how/why they provided cover for Singer's lies.

If there is no evidence, there is no story. May as well be interviewed about your internship with Santa 15 years ago.
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April 30th, 2020 at 10:43:19 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

Three things:

1) Even without W2Gs, there should be evidence of his "Rumblin' and Stumblin' While Doublin'." He was traveling all over Nevada, right? Well, certainly he would have credit card receipts, gas bills, and hotel bills paralleling his routes as he went. Those would be retrievable.

2) Family members should be able to verify the glitch story with details. Singer claims he lost hundreds of thousands as an AP player before he started all of this systems and glitch stuff. If he claims all of his family members were kept in the dark regarding the glitch, well, that is an enormous red flag. You mean all of his family members, every single one, were okay with his running all over the place playing negative expectation games because they expected him to win after he had already lost hundreds of thousands? Think about it. He allegedly lost a boatload while playing video poker as an AP, which preceded this, right? Why would his family then be on board with his running around playing for years afterwards unless they knew about the glitch? So if any of his family members are employed by the government where publicly lying about this would be more of a cost than a benefit, I would ask them if they could verify it. I would be very curious to see if his children would be willing to go on camera to verify the story.

3) Outside of the family, someone, somewhere should be able to verify the story. Singer said he called Gaming Today to apologize for lying to them all of those years. Well, who did he call? Would that person be willing to go on camera? Gaming Today, I imagine, would be furious with him. Singer lied in front page articles for years, misguiding readers? If Alan Mendelson comes forward with the story that Singer was lying to readers, then that means Gaming Today was also lying to readers. Gaming Today would then be forced to explain how/why they provided cover for Singer's lies.

If there is no evidence, there is no story. May as well be interviewed about your internship with Santa 15 years ago.

if somebody attempted using a Singer's strategy under the assumption it was a legitimate winning strategy due to all the Articles they read at GT and ended up losing a significant amount of money, is there a fair chance they could sue GT and Singer for damages and recover anything?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 30th, 2020 at 10:56:39 AM permalink
I don't know anything about the legal aspects. Gaming Today was pretty strange in that they ran columns about math-optimal video poker strategies concurrent with Singer's systems columns.
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April 30th, 2020 at 11:29:22 AM permalink
There isn't a legal issue here except casinos that might want their money back from the double-up bug and if Singer is wrong about the statute of limitations.

But Singer's got the perfect defense. All he has to say is, I didn't win anything. Did I show any proof that I did?

LOL
onenickelmiracle
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April 30th, 2020 at 3:25:09 PM permalink
So the Pulitzer prize scoop is the guy who is saying he wins by being a degenerate is a degenerate? Anyone with half a brain if they see him, they walk the other way. This is nothing new. If someone fell victim to him, they were a degenerate themselves, so I'd not feel sorry for them. Losing is what they want and have to do.
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April 30th, 2020 at 9:43:30 PM permalink
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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