Rob Singer -- Discuss
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May 11th, 2020 at 7:42:54 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfP.S. Regarding you not having enough information about qhat machines it worked on and how it worked... is why I suggested more investigation be done before the interview
You can see in the video he is going on a cross-country RV trip in I think two days. Thus, there was time pressure to get it done.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 11th, 2020 at 8:00:59 PM
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I share AxelWolf's curiosity about the different versions of the double up option and when they became available.
I know there were different versions of the double up option over the years.
Some other things that I'm confused about:
Did Rob discover the bug during casino play or when he experimented at home on his own machine?
He mentioned a double up on a $2 royal for $8,000 and it's my recollection that no double up is ever available on a win greater than $4,000.
The RV photo was never posted on VCT and I don't know of anyone who has seen it.
He couldn't hold up to the camera the RVs current registration?
Rob says he took his $2.8-million in profits as cash. Why? With each jackpot there was already a W2G so the money was already "clean" from a casino win, so what was the purpose of taking cash, and keeping $2.8-million in cash?
As I've said before, Rob presented himself to me as someone who won on average about $100,000 a year using a system of plays to maximize quads, of quitting when ahead, and of hitting big jackpots and stopping.
When he confessed to me that instead of winning $1-million over ten years doing this that he won with this system for only about four years, and considerably less money, I had to step back and admit he never showed me proof of anything.
There's still no proof. Believe what you want to.
I know there were different versions of the double up option over the years.
Some other things that I'm confused about:
Did Rob discover the bug during casino play or when he experimented at home on his own machine?
He mentioned a double up on a $2 royal for $8,000 and it's my recollection that no double up is ever available on a win greater than $4,000.
The RV photo was never posted on VCT and I don't know of anyone who has seen it.
He couldn't hold up to the camera the RVs current registration?
Rob says he took his $2.8-million in profits as cash. Why? With each jackpot there was already a W2G so the money was already "clean" from a casino win, so what was the purpose of taking cash, and keeping $2.8-million in cash?
As I've said before, Rob presented himself to me as someone who won on average about $100,000 a year using a system of plays to maximize quads, of quitting when ahead, and of hitting big jackpots and stopping.
When he confessed to me that instead of winning $1-million over ten years doing this that he won with this system for only about four years, and considerably less money, I had to step back and admit he never showed me proof of anything.
There's still no proof. Believe what you want to.
May 11th, 2020 at 8:05:34 PM
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Sigh.
Rob. I know you'll be reading. Mike actually invited me to be there while he interviewed you.
I didn't think there was enough investigation done prior to this interview.
Mike played softball with you, I would have never allowed that, I probably would have pulled the microphone away from Mike.
One of many questions would have been.... if you lied about all that other stuff in the past while keeping up that ruse for years, why should anyone believe anything you say now?
You point blank said on the other Forum (not an exact quote) What Nestor and Kane did was illegal, and I believe you said something about how they should have went to jail. Why would you say something like that in the first place? Something like that could have certainly been used against you in a court of law, basically you admitted you thought it was illegal, or at least that it could be illegal. You talk about trying to throw people off the trail, the best way to throw people off the trail is to just to keep quiet, be normal, and talk about normal things. Yet, you went out of your way to be deceptive and cantankerous to everyone on the forums for like 9 years in order to throw us off the trail, vent your anxiety, cover your ass or however you want to put it. Yes, I know Rob can't respond here, I will copy and paste it to another forum.
Rob. I know you'll be reading. Mike actually invited me to be there while he interviewed you.
I didn't think there was enough investigation done prior to this interview.
Mike played softball with you, I would have never allowed that, I probably would have pulled the microphone away from Mike.
One of many questions would have been.... if you lied about all that other stuff in the past while keeping up that ruse for years, why should anyone believe anything you say now?
You point blank said on the other Forum (not an exact quote) What Nestor and Kane did was illegal, and I believe you said something about how they should have went to jail. Why would you say something like that in the first place? Something like that could have certainly been used against you in a court of law, basically you admitted you thought it was illegal, or at least that it could be illegal. You talk about trying to throw people off the trail, the best way to throw people off the trail is to just to keep quiet, be normal, and talk about normal things. Yet, you went out of your way to be deceptive and cantankerous to everyone on the forums for like 9 years in order to throw us off the trail, vent your anxiety, cover your ass or however you want to put it. Yes, I know Rob can't respond here, I will copy and paste it to another forum.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 11th, 2020 at 8:48:46 PM
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Will get around to watching it in the next couple of days. From the comments, looks as if it went about as I expected. I said it would be gentle.
On the plus side, Shackleford looked great in the pic and kudos to "Singer" for no Hawaiian shirt. Beau Brummell salutes you both!
On the plus side, Shackleford looked great in the pic and kudos to "Singer" for no Hawaiian shirt. Beau Brummell salutes you both!
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 11th, 2020 at 8:52:03 PM
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I'm just not gonna antagonize the obvious Video Poker winner. Congratulations.
May 12th, 2020 at 1:59:09 AM
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Here's what I posted to Rob on my forum (Vegascasinotalk, the one mentioned at the end of the video):
Questions to Rob:
1) Would you be willing to call the IRS and have them send you a tax return from one of those years, and then scan and post the relevant parts here (complete with IRS stamps/markings)? Obviously you can redact the parts with your SSN or whatever.
2) Alternatively, can you show a proof of purchase for that RV, or some kind of proof that you are the registered owner?
3) Did you or did you not pay with a players card when you did this trick?
4) How many casinos did you do this at, and how often did you visit the same casino?
5) You said in the video that you got a few $100k winners using this trick. If you were so worried about getting in trouble, which you seemed to be, why did you hit these machines for such high denomination wins, where the chance of them examining your play was higher?
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Hopefully he responds.
Questions to Rob:
1) Would you be willing to call the IRS and have them send you a tax return from one of those years, and then scan and post the relevant parts here (complete with IRS stamps/markings)? Obviously you can redact the parts with your SSN or whatever.
2) Alternatively, can you show a proof of purchase for that RV, or some kind of proof that you are the registered owner?
3) Did you or did you not pay with a players card when you did this trick?
4) How many casinos did you do this at, and how often did you visit the same casino?
5) You said in the video that you got a few $100k winners using this trick. If you were so worried about getting in trouble, which you seemed to be, why did you hit these machines for such high denomination wins, where the chance of them examining your play was higher?
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Hopefully he responds.
May 12th, 2020 at 6:00:24 AM
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Well, you got a response. LOL.
I haven't seen the interview yet. Was "Singer" asked about his apology to Gaming Today? "Singer" was writing a column in Gaming Today at the time he was doing this. The column denigrated AP's. "Singer" reported on VCT in a recent post that he had called GT to apologize for lying to their readers. He allegedly came clean to both Alan Mendelson and Gaming Today.
So did anybody ask him about the details of his apology to GT and who he talked to when? Seems like a simple thing to go visit GT and verify this. If he formally apologized to GT, that opens some cans of worms, so to speak. It meant that GT, which ran AP video poker columns concurrent with "Singer's" column, was "fooling" its readers with the "Singer" column. I can't imagine GT would be too happy about that, thus it would be really interesting to hear about who at GT responded by saying what to "Singer."
The late Chuck Di Rocco ran GT back when "Singer" was writing his column. His wife, Eileen, sold GT to Bill Paulos two years ago. I don't know if Ms. Di Rocco is hale and hearty, but she would be the logical choice to have been owed an apology.
I haven't seen the interview yet. Was "Singer" asked about his apology to Gaming Today? "Singer" was writing a column in Gaming Today at the time he was doing this. The column denigrated AP's. "Singer" reported on VCT in a recent post that he had called GT to apologize for lying to their readers. He allegedly came clean to both Alan Mendelson and Gaming Today.
So did anybody ask him about the details of his apology to GT and who he talked to when? Seems like a simple thing to go visit GT and verify this. If he formally apologized to GT, that opens some cans of worms, so to speak. It meant that GT, which ran AP video poker columns concurrent with "Singer's" column, was "fooling" its readers with the "Singer" column. I can't imagine GT would be too happy about that, thus it would be really interesting to hear about who at GT responded by saying what to "Singer."
The late Chuck Di Rocco ran GT back when "Singer" was writing his column. His wife, Eileen, sold GT to Bill Paulos two years ago. I don't know if Ms. Di Rocco is hale and hearty, but she would be the logical choice to have been owed an apology.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 12th, 2020 at 6:09:00 AM
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Quote: redietzWell, you got a response. LOL.
I haven't seen the interview yet. Was "Singer" asked about his apology to Gaming Today? "Singer" was writing a column in Gaming Today at the time he was doing this. The column denigrated AP's. "Singer" reported on VCT in a recent post that he had called GT to apologize for lying to their readers. He allegedly came clean to both Alan Mendelson and Gaming Today.
So did anybody ask him about the details of his apology to GT and who he talked to when? Seems like a simple thing to go visit GT and verify this. If he formally apologized to GT, that opens some cans of worms, so to speak. It meant that GT, which ran AP video poker columns concurrent with "Singer's" column, was "fooling" its readers with the "Singer" column. I can't imagine GT would be too happy about that, thus it would be really interesting to hear about who at GT responded by saying what to "Singer."
The late Chuck Di Rocco ran GT back when "Singer" was writing his column. His wife, Eileen, sold GT to Bill Paulos two years ago. I don't know if Ms. Di Rocco is hale and hearty, but she would be the logical choice to have been owed an apology.
Watch the video and then post. Your question is answered by the video and you will then have more informed things to say.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
May 12th, 2020 at 6:18:07 AM
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Fair enough.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 12th, 2020 at 7:14:54 AM
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I forgot to ask him if he was Jerry Logan.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 12th, 2020 at 8:04:08 AM
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Quote: WizardI forgot to ask him if he was Jerry Logan.
Based on every other response, would it have mattered?
May 12th, 2020 at 8:28:21 AM
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Quote: DanDruffHere's what I posted to Rob on my forum (Vegascasinotalk, the one mentioned at the end of the video):
You run a forum where homophobia and racism are not only tolerated, they appear to be the norm. Why should anyone care what you have to say?
May 12th, 2020 at 12:04:46 PM
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Quote: WizardHere is the interview. Hope you enjoy it. I welcome all comments.
Direct: https://youtu.be/FtZAa6H53zo
love the new look Mike :D , ive enjoyed the interview , RS is quite a character and quite the story he has. I only wish he has a better quality microphone as at times the sound wasnt the greatest.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing "
May 12th, 2020 at 12:10:02 PM
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I'm under the impression any casino can provide copies of past W2Gs, don't know how long they have access. All it takes is some phone calls to find out(if they were open).
I am a robot.
May 12th, 2020 at 12:19:07 PM
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Quote: sabreYou run a forum where homophobia and racism are not only tolerated, they appear to be the norm. Why should anyone care what you have to say?
DOA there, DOA here. I may just have to focus on my home game.
May 12th, 2020 at 1:38:27 PM
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I have tax returns going back to 1991, for what it's worth.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 12th, 2020 at 1:42:55 PM
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Just because you don't file a return for a refund, it doesn't mean you didn't pay the IRS in the first place.
Is Gambling Income Taxable?
The answer is yes, but the good thing about gambling tax law for big winners is that, unlike income taxes, gambling taxes are not progressive. Whether you win $1,500 at the slot machine or $1 million at the poker table, the tax rate you owe on your gambling winnings is 24% (previously 25%). When you win a big slot machine jackpot, the casino is required to withhold the 24% itself when you claim your prize; it also provides you with an IRS form, called a W2-G, to report your winnings to the government.
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/taxes-on-vegas-gambling-winnings/
https://www.investopedia.com/form-w-2g-certain-gambling-winnings-4781793
Is Gambling Income Taxable?
The answer is yes, but the good thing about gambling tax law for big winners is that, unlike income taxes, gambling taxes are not progressive. Whether you win $1,500 at the slot machine or $1 million at the poker table, the tax rate you owe on your gambling winnings is 24% (previously 25%). When you win a big slot machine jackpot, the casino is required to withhold the 24% itself when you claim your prize; it also provides you with an IRS form, called a W2-G, to report your winnings to the government.
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/taxes-on-vegas-gambling-winnings/
https://www.investopedia.com/form-w-2g-certain-gambling-winnings-4781793
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May 12th, 2020 at 2:32:42 PM
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Quote: sabreYou run a forum where homophobia and racism are not only tolerated, they appear to be the norm. Why should anyone care what you have to say?
True dat. It's basically an alt-right forum under a gambling veneer. The only excuse I'd make for Todd is that he may not perceive at as such. Echo chambers are a b****.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 12th, 2020 at 2:59:31 PM
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Yeah, Shackleford looks good!
Finally watched it. Let me run down my limited experience doing interviews first. I was a journalism/science writing guy in college and worked for newspapers in high school, college, and a year beyond. I did maybe a couple dozen interviews and have been interviewed I think three times myself regarding the sports gig. I would absolutely defer to Alan Mendelson's opinions on the nature of the interview and how maybe it should have been constructed and executed. Would like to hear from him, as he has more experience than the entire forum here combined, probably.
I understand Axelwolf's problems with the interview, but I have to say, I think Shackleford did a pretty damn good job just winging it in the time frame allowed. I was never any good at extemporaneous interviewing. I needed a legal pad with notes going in and a flow chart in my head set for the interview, even for small stuff like guys bagging record bears or something. So I thought Shackleford did a real good job managing the info he was getting, and going into some things without being adversarial, and focusing on details and then getting out of those details into broader topics. I thought "Singer" himself, for the most part, did a good job with a few exceptions. I have a couple of initial observations. I'll let some other stuff percolate and comment on that later.
First, in terms of self-presentation, I pretty much bought what "Singer" was saying. He came across as personable and believable.
Second, just because I bought it may not count for much. When I saw "Singer's" Mendelson interviews regarding the systems "Singer" uses, I thought the same thing -- namely that he came across as personable and knowledgeable...to a civilian. I knew enough, however, about basic video poker and math to understand it was voodoo nonsense. So my judgement of the Mendelson stuff was not affected by the reasonableness, shall we say, of "Singer's" self-presentation.
Thus, since I know absolutely nothing about the double up bug, I am just a civilian, and I am allowing my lack of knowledge to take the lead in the kind of impact the video has on me. If "Singer" said something obviously wrong, I simply would not know it, and I would be going mainly on his self-presentation which is, of course, not what one should do.
Therefore my first take is that the self-presentation seemed to match the Mendelson interviews, which turned out to be based on bogus. I would like to hear from Mendelson on this, if he thinks that's the case.
So, I thought the interview was pretty professional, and similar to interviews a local paper might conduct with someone with whom they were not being adversarial.
Having said all that, there were a number of sizable problems, but I need to think about them some more.
Howard Barish is the managing editor of Gaming Today, by the way, if anyone wants to verify the "Singer" apology to GT. I would have assumed "Singer" would have apologized to the people who printed the misdirection columns, Eileen Di Rocco for one. Contacting the current new owners to apologize for something you did to the former owners is almost like a dipping of the toe to see if maybe they might be interested in your new story.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Whether Shackleford did it on purpose or not, the pushing of the interview to a time not expected by "Singer" is a pretty smart move. It puts a hitch in the giddyup of anyone who might be prepping a lot for it. Throws them off a tad. Makes them wing it more than maybe they had planned.
Finally watched it. Let me run down my limited experience doing interviews first. I was a journalism/science writing guy in college and worked for newspapers in high school, college, and a year beyond. I did maybe a couple dozen interviews and have been interviewed I think three times myself regarding the sports gig. I would absolutely defer to Alan Mendelson's opinions on the nature of the interview and how maybe it should have been constructed and executed. Would like to hear from him, as he has more experience than the entire forum here combined, probably.
I understand Axelwolf's problems with the interview, but I have to say, I think Shackleford did a pretty damn good job just winging it in the time frame allowed. I was never any good at extemporaneous interviewing. I needed a legal pad with notes going in and a flow chart in my head set for the interview, even for small stuff like guys bagging record bears or something. So I thought Shackleford did a real good job managing the info he was getting, and going into some things without being adversarial, and focusing on details and then getting out of those details into broader topics. I thought "Singer" himself, for the most part, did a good job with a few exceptions. I have a couple of initial observations. I'll let some other stuff percolate and comment on that later.
First, in terms of self-presentation, I pretty much bought what "Singer" was saying. He came across as personable and believable.
Second, just because I bought it may not count for much. When I saw "Singer's" Mendelson interviews regarding the systems "Singer" uses, I thought the same thing -- namely that he came across as personable and knowledgeable...to a civilian. I knew enough, however, about basic video poker and math to understand it was voodoo nonsense. So my judgement of the Mendelson stuff was not affected by the reasonableness, shall we say, of "Singer's" self-presentation.
Thus, since I know absolutely nothing about the double up bug, I am just a civilian, and I am allowing my lack of knowledge to take the lead in the kind of impact the video has on me. If "Singer" said something obviously wrong, I simply would not know it, and I would be going mainly on his self-presentation which is, of course, not what one should do.
Therefore my first take is that the self-presentation seemed to match the Mendelson interviews, which turned out to be based on bogus. I would like to hear from Mendelson on this, if he thinks that's the case.
So, I thought the interview was pretty professional, and similar to interviews a local paper might conduct with someone with whom they were not being adversarial.
Having said all that, there were a number of sizable problems, but I need to think about them some more.
Howard Barish is the managing editor of Gaming Today, by the way, if anyone wants to verify the "Singer" apology to GT. I would have assumed "Singer" would have apologized to the people who printed the misdirection columns, Eileen Di Rocco for one. Contacting the current new owners to apologize for something you did to the former owners is almost like a dipping of the toe to see if maybe they might be interested in your new story.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Whether Shackleford did it on purpose or not, the pushing of the interview to a time not expected by "Singer" is a pretty smart move. It puts a hitch in the giddyup of anyone who might be prepping a lot for it. Throws them off a tad. Makes them wing it more than maybe they had planned.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 12th, 2020 at 3:01:01 PM
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Quote: WizardThe question for the poll is what do you think of Rob Singer?
you are initiating an inquiry regarding Rob Singer and his various claims of winning and winning systems
your intention as I understand it is to determine if his various claims are legitimate or not
MDawg's claims are far more outrageous than Singer's and are far more potentially damaging to compulsive gamblers many of whom are likely to think that they can do something similar to what he claims
the interest in MDawg across gambling message boards is way, way, way greater than the interest in Rob Singer
yet you seem to have no interest in performing an inquiry into his outrageous claims
how come?
Please don't feed the trolls
May 12th, 2020 at 5:04:16 PM
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with all due respect, you were posting over there for a long time and if I recall correctly you had issues with this site. It looks like you have stopped posting over there for some reason and you are now posting over here and you seem to have issues with that site now.Quote: redietzTrue dat. It's basically an alt-right forum under a gambling veneer. The only excuse I'd make for Todd is that he may not perceive at as such. Echo chambers are a b****.
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sabre, I'm pretty sure Dan doesn't condone such things and he has posted up rules against it. Todd kinda expects people to act like adults, and not have to sit and babysit everyone all day long. He doesn't advertise on the site, and he doesn't have any moderators that I know of. I'm not sure why he's being called out, but I think it's unfair.
Let's not forget he also has pokerfraudalerts where he investigates and helps expose fraudsters in the gambling community and if I recall correctly, he's even help some people recover money. I don't think he monetizes any of it. I think he even takes donations or whatever you call it and he gives that all away in a free poker tournament he runs.
Let's not forget, he's a member here Who falls under insult protection.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 12th, 2020 at 5:11:22 PM
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With all due respect, it's become an alt-right site. That's not an insult; it's a definition. I'm not sure if it's been listed specifically as a hate site, but I think kewlJ mentioned that it made some organization's list. You might want to check with him.
That doesn't change what Todd has done from a poker integrity perspective. But it also doesn't change the alt-rightness of it. I mean, if you want, I can report it myself and see if it's considered alt-right from a governmental perspective.
In fact, I'll do that.
That doesn't change what Todd has done from a poker integrity perspective. But it also doesn't change the alt-rightness of it. I mean, if you want, I can report it myself and see if it's considered alt-right from a governmental perspective.
In fact, I'll do that.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 12th, 2020 at 5:18:05 PM
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I never heard that, nor do I care all that much, it is what it is, apparently he doesn't care all that much either, because he seems to post their daily multiple times.Quote: redietzWith all due respect, it's become an alt-right site. That's not an insult; it's a definition. I'm not sure if it's been listed specifically as a hate site, but I think kewlJ mentioned that it made some organization's list. You might want to check with him.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 12th, 2020 at 5:22:03 PM
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I don't want to get off topic here, but when a site allows the topic of this thread to discuss "slant-eyed noodle slurpers" as the reason he won't go into certain casinos in LV, then it's moving into hate territory pretty convincingly.
Full disclosure: my girlfriend is of Japanese ethnicity.
It's one reason "Singer" is so popular these days.
Full disclosure: my girlfriend is of Japanese ethnicity.
It's one reason "Singer" is so popular these days.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 12th, 2020 at 5:51:20 PM
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Quote: sabreYou run a forum where homophobia and racism are not only tolerated, they appear to be the norm. Why should anyone care what you have to say?
This is absolutely false.
I don't read every thread, but when it is brought to my attention, I delete posts where any epithets exist, and I warn the users in question.
I will say that, in general, Vegas Casino Talk is a free speech forum with fairly lax rules. There are enough gambling forums out there with stricter speech rules (including this one) to where I felt a free speech style forum would best serve the community, and those are the types of communities I personally enjoy.
Anyone who doesn't like my moderation style can simply choose not to visit my site.
May 12th, 2020 at 5:59:18 PM
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Quote: redietzWith all due respect, it's become an alt-right site. That's not an insult; it's a definition. I'm not sure if it's been listed specifically as a hate site, but I think kewlJ mentioned that it made some organization's list. You might want to check with him.
That doesn't change what Todd has done from a poker integrity perspective. But it also doesn't change the alt-rightness of it. I mean, if you want, I can report it myself and see if it's considered alt-right from a governmental perspective.
In fact, I'll do that.
This is not the forum to discuss politics.
May 12th, 2020 at 6:02:49 PM
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Let me comment about the content of the interview.
I was hoping Singer would use the credibility of Mike and his website and live stream to prove his claims.
He did not.
In fact, given the opportunity to prove his claims he continued the same line of excuses about why he could not prove them.
I checked with the Nevada Gaming Commission. I can provide names and phone numbers if needed. They confirmed to me Singer would not be prosecuted if he told all now. There is indeed a three year statute of limitations on NRS 465.070 Fraudulent acts.
If Singer really did pull this off for five years HE would be entitled to the credit and the notoriety and the fame that comes with it. He could claim the book and movie rights.
But he didn't. Even planning for the interview in advance and telling us on VCT that he went and bought a new computer just for the interview, he still couldn't come up with a scrap of proof.
For a year now he's been asked for some proof. He says that he can't and he won't provide it.
He even said on VCT that he won't even provide any proof of his RV.
At this point I would say why bother anymore. Singer has had his chances over and over again. If he won't prove his claims why should anyone else care?
Singer is very much like the guy who claims he traveled ten thousand years into the future and then returned. How can you argue with what he said he saw in the future? You can't -- because no one else has traveled ten thousand years into the future.
MIke I'm glad you got Singer to say what he did about his rivalry with Dancer. It's too bad Singer didn't apologize for all the pain he caused others with his vicious personal attacks.
I learned my lesson. I will never allow Singer to use me as a platform for his unproven claims and statements and after this year long struggle at finding the truth no other publisher, host, forum owner, website owner, should allow his claims and statements to be made again using their media.
This interview by Mike put the final seal and the final nail in the fantasy of the Rob Singer claims.
By the way today on VCT he made it clear he is armed and threatened anyone who might approach his wife or grandkids. I don't know who would but clearly he's dangerous.
Several times when I spoke to him he reminded me that he killed two people. I don't know the circumstances but I consider him dangerous. I won't have any further contact with him.
Should I die under any questionable circumstances please remember what I posted here.
I would suggest that everyone just walk away now. It's over.
I was hoping Singer would use the credibility of Mike and his website and live stream to prove his claims.
He did not.
In fact, given the opportunity to prove his claims he continued the same line of excuses about why he could not prove them.
I checked with the Nevada Gaming Commission. I can provide names and phone numbers if needed. They confirmed to me Singer would not be prosecuted if he told all now. There is indeed a three year statute of limitations on NRS 465.070 Fraudulent acts.
If Singer really did pull this off for five years HE would be entitled to the credit and the notoriety and the fame that comes with it. He could claim the book and movie rights.
But he didn't. Even planning for the interview in advance and telling us on VCT that he went and bought a new computer just for the interview, he still couldn't come up with a scrap of proof.
For a year now he's been asked for some proof. He says that he can't and he won't provide it.
He even said on VCT that he won't even provide any proof of his RV.
At this point I would say why bother anymore. Singer has had his chances over and over again. If he won't prove his claims why should anyone else care?
Singer is very much like the guy who claims he traveled ten thousand years into the future and then returned. How can you argue with what he said he saw in the future? You can't -- because no one else has traveled ten thousand years into the future.
MIke I'm glad you got Singer to say what he did about his rivalry with Dancer. It's too bad Singer didn't apologize for all the pain he caused others with his vicious personal attacks.
I learned my lesson. I will never allow Singer to use me as a platform for his unproven claims and statements and after this year long struggle at finding the truth no other publisher, host, forum owner, website owner, should allow his claims and statements to be made again using their media.
This interview by Mike put the final seal and the final nail in the fantasy of the Rob Singer claims.
By the way today on VCT he made it clear he is armed and threatened anyone who might approach his wife or grandkids. I don't know who would but clearly he's dangerous.
Several times when I spoke to him he reminded me that he killed two people. I don't know the circumstances but I consider him dangerous. I won't have any further contact with him.
Should I die under any questionable circumstances please remember what I posted here.
I would suggest that everyone just walk away now. It's over.
May 12th, 2020 at 7:26:44 PM
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I recall reading the case of Nestor and Kane years ago. To my Knowledge, they are the only two documented and verified people involved in the double up bug. I listened to part of the invterview, but quickly lost interest when it was revealed it was no more than a good story, with zero evidence to back it up. I'm not really sure what the purpose of the interview was, it seemed very odd.
I would much more like to hear the documented and verified events from either Nestor or Kane, I'm not sure where they are or what they are doing, but I think their story of events would carry much more weight than the unverified "me too" story told here.
I would much more like to hear the documented and verified events from either Nestor or Kane, I'm not sure where they are or what they are doing, but I think their story of events would carry much more weight than the unverified "me too" story told here.
May 12th, 2020 at 8:27:19 PM
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One of the problems with "Singer" is that vehicles through which the majority of people will come to know him or have come to know him are the Mendelson videos and this interview. So you are getting half-hour slices of him and that is the primary information. You miss out on the fine civic-mindedness and civility on display throughout his "Negro Football League" or "noodle-slurping" posts or the sock puppet stuff going on, Jerry Logan and the female real estate agent (I forget the sock's name), or the "eat dirt" public comments aimed at a recently deceased video poker AP. So you have 15,000 or 20,000 posts on one side over decades versus a couple of half-hour interviews. You have to figure out which is more real for yourself.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 12th, 2020 at 8:47:25 PM
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I'll just assume 90%+ of poker players are alt-right based on previous usenet internet experience before Dubya took away internet gaming. In their defense, mostly rich people had computers back then. Never seen such hateful people have to change their focus and attack their leader when he cut off their livelihoods.
May 12th, 2020 at 11:50:13 PM
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It's just a hobby trolling, most don't mean it.Quote: ChumpChangeI'll just assume 90%+ of poker players are alt-right based on previous usenet internet experience before Dubya took away internet gaming. In their defense, mostly rich people had computers back then. Never seen such hateful people have to change their focus and attack their leader when he cut off their livelihoods.
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May 12th, 2020 at 11:56:31 PM
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you've been posting over there for quite some time, I just want to know what's suddenly changed? I'm almost certain much worse things have been said over there.Quote: redietzOne of the problems with "Singer" is that vehicles through which the majority of people will come to know him or have come to know him are the Mendelson videos and this interview. So you are getting half-hour slices of him and that is the primary information. You miss out on the fine civic-mindedness and civility on display throughout his "Negro Football League" or "noodle-slurping" posts or the sock puppet stuff going on, Jerry Logan and the female real estate agent (I forget the sock's name), or the "eat dirt" public comments aimed at a recently deceased video poker AP. So you have 15,000 or 20,000 posts on one side over decades versus a couple of half-hour interviews. You have to figure out which is more real for yourself.
Yeah I know, there seems to have been some "alliance" changes over there. If I recall correctly, it was everybody against Alan and Rob at one time. Then it suddenly changed where it seem to be you and KJ versus the world. But, other than that, I can't see much of a difference from the time that you were really active until now.
Were you offended when when you and Alan were going at it with a whole package-gate thing and people were calling Alan Mendelbread and whatever other nasty things he and KJ were being called?
Not too long ago I could have sworn you didn't have too many good things to say about this site.( perhaps even Mr Shackleford himself??).
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 13th, 2020 at 3:21:25 AM
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Quote: DanDruff
I delete posts where any epithets exist, and I warn the users
Anyone who doesn't like my moderation style can simply choose not to visit my site.
so very true
anybody who wants to can also state that your sites suck on this board and anywhere else
they really do suck
people with disagreements over politics or strategies call each other 4 letter words
that is a pathetic way to discuss politics or strategies or anything else and reflects infantilism
somebody there thinks they're going to prove a political point by calling who they disagree with a sh.... stupid....mother.....
what a clown act
you say you make efforts to delete homophobic stuff
who are you kidding
Singer has directed a ton of that stuff to KJ
are you really going to try to say you weren't aware of it - puhleeeeeese
face reality - your sites are disasters
they will fall as they naturally should into the trash heap of history
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May 13th, 2020 at 11:36:42 AM
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Quote: redietzI don't want to get off topic here, but...
May 13th, 2020 at 11:50:26 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfyou've been posting over there for quite some time, I just want to know what's suddenly changed? I'm almost certain much worse things have been said over there.
Yeah I know, there seems to have been some "alliance" changes over there. If I recall correctly, it was everybody against Alan and Rob at one time. Then it suddenly changed where it seem to be you and KJ versus the world. But, other than that, I can't see much of a difference from the time that you were really active until now.
Were you offended when when you and Alan were going at it with a whole package-gate thing and people were calling Alan Mendelbread and whatever other nasty things he and KJ were being called?
Not too long ago I could have sworn you didn't have too many good things to say about this site.( perhaps even Mr Shackleford himself??).
I'll respond, as it is somewhat on topic because it's partly a "Singer" history lesson. When I first started posting there, Mendelson, "Singer," and Arcimede$ were the three highest volume posters, I believe. Over many years, I accrued a total of about 5000 posts, half of which came before I mentioned I was a handicapper. So the three most prolific posters then were Mendelson, myself, and "Singer." We were also three people who went by our real names ("Singer" is Argentino, but everybody knows that). So unlike most sites, real people were the highest volume posters, we didn't hide from anybody, and although "Singer" said some disgusting things, he did get suspended on occasion by Alan.
Arcimede$ had left, I think, for four reasons -- his wife died, he had done about all he could to educate Alan about video poker, "Singer" was saying outrageous, cruel things about his dead wife, and when an Arcimede$/"Singer" tax showdown occurred with them supposedly mailing tax returns to Alan, Arci did so. His returns demonstrated consistent vp winnings, but not for huge amounts. "Singer" never sent his in...of course. Alan stuck his nose in the air, more or less, at Arci's results.
So for a long while, I was one of the few trying to bang into Alan's head that stop losses don't work; win goals don't work for vp (other than limiting hands for negative play), and neither do "Singer's" systems. Considering I am not a video poker expert -- at all -- I actually did yeoman's work trying to correct the nonsense on that site. There were no WoVers there for a long time. It was a math-challenged recreational site, which is fine unless you have one or two goons trying to impress with voodoo. At my most flummoxed with Alan, I never called him Mendlebread.
Point is -- it was real people arguing proper gambling, not anonymous names. I put myself out there.
Now VCT has: Racism -- check. Homophobia -- check. Anti-science -- check. Climate denying -- check. "COVID is a scam" -- check. Hard Trumpism -- check. The only thing it lacks is anti-Semitism, and the previous and current owners of the site are Jewish, so that explains that. The site is completely, utterly different. It was a recreational site for years. Politics were minimal. Had you taken out "Singer," it was much like LVAdvice.
If you'll notice, the majority of my posts on this site, as on the VCT site previously, are to correct things I see as egregiously wrong or to provide information no one else is likely to have. Now I have discussed coronavirus here, but I've been on top of it and, frankly, I haven't gotten anything wrong yet.
I expected more of this site. The reasons I don't have that much respect -- c'mon, it's supposed to be helping gamblers while advertising offshore casinos. That's a Yogi Berra kind of situation. I think there's a lot of anonymous people pretending to know what they're doing. I think Shackleford is great at what he does in terms of analyzing casino games including video poker, but I think he sets a real bad example by not correcting some of the sports gambling dumbness. People think they can plug in some jargon, some philosophical principles, and blam -- winning edge. Yeah, okay, that's why they're betting $10 parlays. As in academia, when people wander outside their wheelhouse, they kind of get exposed. The jack-of-all-trades gambling commentary on this site is like pediatricians bragging about their dabbling in brain surgery and heart transplants. It's all anonymous, so what do you expect, I guess.
So I wasn't goosing Shackleford regarding the interview. I say what I think. I think he did a real good job executing a public interview. Not sure he was interested in an expose --- if he were, he would have asked specifics about how "Singer" discovered the bug. Where? When? I mean, maybe people sit in casinos for hours playing around with screens and doing weird stuff with bill changers, but really, why would anybody be doing that? That was the main hole in terms of the interview, I thought, that might have been an obvious question even in a non-adversarial for-public-fun interview.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 14th, 2020 at 3:31:51 AM
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Redietz you have no business and no right to criticize or attack me on this forum.
You cannot and have not posted the errors made in the tax returns I found and the errors that Arcimedes admitted to making in the preparation of his tax returns.
You owe me an apology.
You cannot and have not posted the errors made in the tax returns I found and the errors that Arcimedes admitted to making in the preparation of his tax returns.
You owe me an apology.
May 15th, 2020 at 5:40:06 PM
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I hope this won't be considered as passing on a message from a banned member, but Rob Singer sent me these recent pictures of his RV.
I had no idea RV's got that fancy. Sure is nicer than the trailer my group rented at Burning Man 2018.
I also asked him if he was Jerry Logan. Here is his reply, "Jerry Logan was a student of my strategy, he has been a friend of mine although I haven't heard from him in years, and even though I admit we collaberated on causing some mischief on your forum, he is a real person. But few will believe that no matter what, either."
I had no idea RV's got that fancy. Sure is nicer than the trailer my group rented at Burning Man 2018.
I also asked him if he was Jerry Logan. Here is his reply, "Jerry Logan was a student of my strategy, he has been a friend of mine although I haven't heard from him in years, and even though I admit we collaberated on causing some mischief on your forum, he is a real person. But few will believe that no matter what, either."
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 15th, 2020 at 9:34:44 PM
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I agree that these are pictures of a very nice RV. I've seen similar RVs at Boat and RV shows; they usually have them in January or February in my locale. My compliments to the very uncluttered interior; it almost does not look lived in. I think that parking the RV inside is also a nice touch to keep the exterior clean and out of the elements. The fire extinguisher in the background of the driver's seat picture is a nice touch. It is usually difficult to find such a nice large exhibition room in which to store your RV. Maybe at next year's show, he can get some nice boat pictures, too. Or maybe even a nice picture of the outside of the RV when parked outside.
May 16th, 2020 at 12:43:07 AM
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This was my comment after Rob posted those pictures on another forum. "spotless with no personal items in sight and you had it since 2011? Damn, that must thing must come private maid and Butler. I got to rent/ tour me one of those too. Why are there so many other RVs outside?"Quote: WizardI hope this won't be considered as passing on a message from a banned member, but Rob Singer sent me these recent pictures of his RV.
I had no idea RV's got that fancy. Sure is nicer than the trailer my group rented at Burning Man 2018.
I also asked him if he was Jerry Logan. Here is his reply, "Jerry Logan was a student of my strategy, he has been a friend of mine although I haven't heard from him in years, and even though I admit we collaberated on causing some mischief on your forum, he is a real person. But few will believe that no matter what, either."
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Rob Singer reply:
"Did you read this axel? When you travel with an RV, EVERYTHING gets locked up except pillows.
We were in a SHOP getting a new tire. It will arrive in the morning. You think we just happened to run into someone driving a Newell on our way out of state? And let me know where you can rent one like this. Then put up proof. Oh wait!--AP's can say anything and they're expected to automatically be believed. Even if they say they keep their RV's spotless."
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Here is what Max pen came up with.
Complete with same bedspread. I'm sorry Rob......but the gig is up......again
WISE UP
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/200...1-2-5011338393
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It's going to be very hard to explain that away, since Rob represented that has his million and a half dollar RV.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 16th, 2020 at 2:04:25 AM
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1. I'd find it more believable if he was laying underneath the bed spread. His body posture on the bed displays not belonging on the bed and not being comfortable on it. He is laying on the bed with shoes on, and with the shoes off the side of the bed. This shows respect to someone, he should not being showing respect to not having his feet on the bed, because it's his bed.
2. I don't know what is outside the windows. You can see other RVs inside some enclosed building and out of the front window, doesn't seem like a place people park RVs. Is this a sales lot I think, there are parts by the building.
2. I don't know what is outside the windows. You can see other RVs inside some enclosed building and out of the front window, doesn't seem like a place people park RVs. Is this a sales lot I think, there are parts by the building.
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May 16th, 2020 at 3:55:53 AM
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Did you click the link I provided? Someone is selling the exact same RV with the exact same placements of pillows bedding etc that Rob claims to own. And I believe it's in Arizona where Rob claims to live. Are you putting together the pieces here?Quote: onenickelmiracle1. I'd find it more believable if he was laying underneath the bed spread. His body posture on the bed displays not belonging on the bed and not being comfortable on it. He is laying on the bed with shoes on, and with the shoes off the side of the bed. This shows respect to someone, he should not being showing respect to not having his feet on the bed, because it's his bed.
2. I don't know what is outside the windows. You can see other RVs inside some enclosed building and out of the front window, doesn't seem like a place people park RVs. Is this a sales lot I think, there are parts by the building.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 16th, 2020 at 4:04:33 AM
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I didn't click the link, I saw the mention about what Max Pen and what he had said, but didn't understand what it was about. All I had to do was see the feet and I KNOW it's BS.Quote: AxelWolfDid you click the link I provided? Someone is selling the exact same RV with the exact same placements of pillows bedding etc that Rob claims to own. And I believe it's in Arizona where Rob claims to live. Are you putting together the pieces here?
Am I putting the pieces together? Yes now you ask I am.
1. The RV is not his.
2. He said he bought the RV from his winnings.
3. Therefore, he did not have winnings.
This is the first beer I ever won.
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May 16th, 2020 at 4:57:59 AM
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I almost feel badly for "Singer." You know, at one point in time, he really did know his way around Las Vegas. I feel badly for Shackleford, who conducted a nice, solid interview and a couple of days later has this yahoo pull the "look at my RV" stunt. He wasn't even touching the steering wheel, that's how uncomfortable he was in the Newell.
New twist on an old joke:
So if "Singer" didn't spend $2.8 million on an RV, where did the double-up money go? Well, a third he obviously used on his wardrobe. A third went to pay for my "picks." The rest of it he wasted.
Why would anyone go to the lengths he went to? Lying to Mendelson about his system for years, then lying about the double up bug. Lying about details -- he apologized to Gaming Today? He bought the RV used with 1600 miles on it? I just do not get it. What was he trying to accomplish? All that nastiness for decades to cover lies and more lies. Who was he trying to impress? His wife stayed with him all these years.
And his argument was that Mendelson was trying to exploit HIM.
A long time ago, this was my take:
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showthread.php?3776-Singer-at-the-Bat&highlight=Singer+Bat
New twist on an old joke:
So if "Singer" didn't spend $2.8 million on an RV, where did the double-up money go? Well, a third he obviously used on his wardrobe. A third went to pay for my "picks." The rest of it he wasted.
Why would anyone go to the lengths he went to? Lying to Mendelson about his system for years, then lying about the double up bug. Lying about details -- he apologized to Gaming Today? He bought the RV used with 1600 miles on it? I just do not get it. What was he trying to accomplish? All that nastiness for decades to cover lies and more lies. Who was he trying to impress? His wife stayed with him all these years.
And his argument was that Mendelson was trying to exploit HIM.
A long time ago, this was my take:
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showthread.php?3776-Singer-at-the-Bat&highlight=Singer+Bat
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 16th, 2020 at 5:15:49 AM
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When people lie, they give specific details which are unnecessary to give the story credibility. I didn't mention his clothing because it's not really proof, it is just circumstancial evidence and not good enough to prove anything.
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May 16th, 2020 at 5:52:06 AM
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Quote: WizardI hope this won't be considered as passing on a message from a banned member, but Rob Singer sent me these recent pictures of his RV.
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I had no idea RV's got that fancy. Sure is nicer than the trailer my group rented at Burning Man 2018.
I also asked him if he was Jerry Logan. Here is his reply, "Jerry Logan was a student of my strategy, he has been a friend of mine although I haven't heard from him in years, and even though I admit we collaberated on causing some mischief on your forum, he is a real person. But few will believe that no matter what, either."
First of all, nice to be here and to be able to join in on the conversation.
Before Mr. Singer tries to sell any of you anymore malarkey, here's a fun little additional detail to consider. On the second picture The Wizard posted you can see another RV through the window. On top of this RV there's a light and on the top rail you can see four reflectors. MaxPen exposed where "Mr. Singer's" RV is for sale. Well guess what? The RV you can see through the window is located at the exact same point of sale in Arizona. Since I'm a new member I can't post a link. But it's a 1996 Prevost Liberty XLV and you can find it at the website of Arizona Luxury Coach LLC. Maybe MaxPen or AxelWolf could do me the favor of posting the link here?
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May 16th, 2020 at 6:48:19 AM
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Is this what you're talking about? https://www.arizonaluxurycoach.com/shop/details/1996-Prevost-Liberty-XLV
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 16th, 2020 at 6:51:37 AM
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Winner winner chicken dinner :)
Thank you for the help AxelWolf!
Now have a close look at the RV you see through the window on the second picture the Wizard posted on Rob's behalf. Does it look familiar?
Thank you for the help AxelWolf!
Now have a close look at the RV you see through the window on the second picture the Wizard posted on Rob's behalf. Does it look familiar?
May 16th, 2020 at 6:53:30 AM
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So, assuming these are two completely different RVs. We have a 2008 model and a 2011 model that have identical bedding and pillows. Even the position of the pillows are oddly setup in the same way. And two people decided to customize there RV the exact same way.
THE INTERIOR
Designing the interior of your Newell is similar to choosing the decor and furnishings of a fine, custom home. Because you have so many materials to choose from, your Newell will be a unique expression of your personality and style.
Our interior decorator will help you select the materials for your coach interior. You can choose cabinetry that is either a solid color or wood-grain laminate, or a rich, genuine wood veneer. You will also select coordinating fabrics, leather colors and fine carpets, all of which are of the highest quality.
THE INTERIOR
Designing the interior of your Newell is similar to choosing the decor and furnishings of a fine, custom home. Because you have so many materials to choose from, your Newell will be a unique expression of your personality and style.
Our interior decorator will help you select the materials for your coach interior. You can choose cabinetry that is either a solid color or wood-grain laminate, or a rich, genuine wood veneer. You will also select coordinating fabrics, leather colors and fine carpets, all of which are of the highest quality.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 16th, 2020 at 7:05:54 AM
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Why don't you go there and recreate the pics but take you shoes off and lie on the bed like you own it. That would be funny if they remember him.Quote: FrankyFirst of all, nice to be here and to be able to join in on the conversation.
Before Mr. Singer tries to sell any of you anymore malarkey, here's a fun little additional detail to consider. On the second picture The Wizard posted you can see another RV through the window. On top of this RV there's a light and on the top rail you can see four reflectors. MaxPen exposed where "Mr. Singer's" RV is for sale. Well guess what? The RV you can see through the window is located at the exact same point of sale in Arizona. Since I'm a new member I can't post a link. But it's a 1996 Prevost Liberty XLV and you can find it at the website of Arizona Luxury Coach LLC. Maybe MaxPen or AxelWolf could do me the favor of posting the link here?
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