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Wizard
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April 29th, 2020 at 1:36:00 PM permalink
Recently quite a bit of discussion about Rob Singer has erupted in the Suspension List thread, starting with this post. I would split those posts off, but that thread is too long and dis-functional to be split off. That is what happens when people don't close off tags.

Please take the discussion about him here. Forum rules prohibit passing on messages from banned members, which he is, and I do not want to see quoting or linking to other forums. My apologies to those who already posted in the Suspension List thread. You are welcome to copy and paste your posts here.

The question for the poll is what do you think of Rob Singer?

Interview with him:

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onenickelmiracle
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April 29th, 2020 at 1:41:27 PM permalink
I heard they were really successful releasing the troll movie straight to the internet. Was he in the movie?
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April 29th, 2020 at 2:00:35 PM permalink
Thank you Wizard. I'm simply going to copy and paste what I posted on my website with no links so that all of the content is here for discussion:

AN UPDATE ON VIDEO POKER PLAYER ROB SINGER

Update April 28, 2020 On this website I have multiple pages and many articles and videos about video poker player Rob Singer. These articles and videos cover a period of about ten years. While I never endorsed his casino play and activities I believed what he told me -- that over a period of ten years he beat the casinos for more than a million dollars with his unique system. Now I have something that I must reveal to you. Rob Singer has confessed to me that his controversial system did not deliver what he told me. He admitted to me that he manipulated video poker machines to produce wins and payoffs and this might have been illegal. He told me that what he presented to me was a cover for what might have been illegal activities. I was lied to and I was fooled. He did say that the system he presented to me did produce profits of about $300,000 over three years, but that doesn't excuse his misrepresentation. He also has never presented independent proof of his claims despite repeated requests. The articles and videos can still be found on the Internet. Make your own decisions. I regret that I didn't push harder for proof of his early claims.
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April 29th, 2020 at 2:12:57 PM permalink
What are we talking about here anyway?

The Blog
Rob Singer: His Controversial Video Poker Strategy
Chat with Rob Singer
https://wizardofodds.com/blog/chat-with-rob-singer/


Sounds like something I would do. ~~~~~
Briefly, Singer ridicules the mathematically based strategies that skilled players like me employ. Instead, he follows a progressive betting system, setting a small winning goal each day and ramping up the denomination of his bets until he hits his winning goal. He does not detail a holding strategy but advocates playing more conservatively than skilled strategies in some situations.
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April 29th, 2020 at 2:44:46 PM permalink
I hear he recently admitted that his decades of preaching that video poker machines do not deal cards randomly was all an act and his real angle was exploiting a double-or-nothing bug. Personally, I haven't seen any evidence either way, so take no side on that.

In the unlikely event Rob Singer should read this and have something worth saying, I am open to doing a second interview. He can reach me through the "contact" form at Wizard of Odds.
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April 29th, 2020 at 2:50:11 PM permalink
A liar in gambling circles. Color me surprised.

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redietz
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April 29th, 2020 at 2:51:37 PM permalink
Okay, time for me to add context. I am a sports handicapper. Have been for 40 years. Let's get that out of the way. My first 2500 posts or thereabouts at VCT, I did not mention that.

Anybody know who Uri Geller is? Or James Randi? One of my lifelong hobbies has been debunking paranormal claims. So I am familiar with CSICOP and the JREF, and I was even a card-carrying investigator/writer for the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments). The SSDPE, unfortunately, lasted about two years. Anyway, what Singer was pulling with Alan was, I thought, very similar to what Geller had pulled off with the SRI (Stanford Research Institute). Geller had fooled a bunch of physicists, which helped make him famous. I thought Singer was using Alan the same way. So I actually signed up at VCT to follow this relationship. Singer, in a sense, has always been claiming "paranormal abilities," although he would argue against that framing.

It took Randi and other debunkers to expose Geller. At the time, there were few WoVers at VCT (I suppose the banishment hammer was wielded more lightly back then). The only folks at VCT qualified to take on Singer back then were a guy named Arcimede$ and a few others. I was not qualified as I am no video poker expert (I play about 40-50 hours a year). But I did point out when there were obvious egregious logical or mathematical errors that even I could catch.

I was flummoxed that Alan bought into the whole Singer schtick, as I had been concurrent with Singer in Las Vegas in the 90's, when he had his Gaming Today column, which usually riffed on his bizarro systems. I was spending 100 days a year in LV back then, and GT put Singer on the front page half the time. GT's decisions regarding him were curious, to say the least, and I have some longshot theories on that. But save them for another day.

Anyway, a handful of us tried to steer Alan away from Singer for years, but were unable to do so. Singer had glommed onto Alan to ramp up his notoriety. And we wound up with those videos of Singer explaining (but not really) his systems while wearing horrible Hawaiian shirts. Sorry -- I have a fixation on what lecturers should wear, and Hawaiian shirts are a terrible distraction to an audience.

Singer got into tax debates as to what he had done and so on, and there was a period of time he was supposed to send Alan tax returns and never did. One of Alan's problems was that Alan didn't have much respect at the time for the "little players" like Arcimede$ or others who made small amounts of money every year. Singer's claims of annual windfalls were splashier and had more PR volume to them.

Eventually, Singer (considering himself a master of everything -- LOL), made a few comments about sports gambling, which demonstrated that he knew very little. He was giving bad advice -- which, by the way, is not rare. This forum gives some really bad advice. I then stepped up after 2500 posts and said, "I do this for a living and you don't know what you're talking about," and that's when Singer started making garbage up about me and posting the garbage at VCT. Really vile things regarding my late wife (who he said committed suicide; don't know where he got that). And then claiming I had been soliciting him to "buy picks." But of course he lost my phone number, the texts, etc.

Oh yeah, Singer started off acknowledging there was a "Robert Dietz -- Sports Handicapping Pro," but then decided the dude posting as redietz at VCT wasn't me. I offered to prove I was me with the infamous "package to Alan," but Alan didn't want to read it after I mailed it. That's a whole 'nother story.

Singer decided to go with the double up bug story, which makes halfway sense in explaining some things. If he was involved in that, however, he did not "discover it." He would have been an errand boy, a kind of video poker equivalent of a "runner" in sports betting terminology.

I did want to add this. I didn't suddenly become pro-Alan because he's anti-Singer. Debunking the paranormal is filled with stories of reasonably intelligent people who went off the rails supporting this or that wild claim to ability. Psychics have a lot of followers (that's how they wind up with their own shows). But there are also many epiphany moments when people figure out that they've been the victim of hokum. You have to welcome those people back into the realm of science and math and reality without holding too big a grudge.

Any questions?
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onenickelmiracle
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April 29th, 2020 at 3:58:52 PM permalink
Why are we talking about this? Is it because he did something to you Alan or is it because he is saying things about you?
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April 29th, 2020 at 7:50:09 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Why are we talking about this? Is it because he did something to you Alan or is it because he is saying things about you?



For about a year I've been struggling with how to deal with Rob's confession to me.

For years I provided Rob an outlet to show his controversial strategies and beliefs.

When he said to me that he wasn't accurate in what he told me I had to report that. Please see my post above from my own website.

Also over the years I asked for proof of his various claims. Rob provided explanations about why he could not or would not supply proof. As I posted above and on my website I leave it to others to decide what they want to believe.

But I have an obligation to make this clear: Rob had claimed ten years and a million dollars of winnings from a system he said he could teach to anyone. Then he changed that. He said he won about $300,000 over three years from that system, and he won $2.8-million from something that was secret and may have been illegal.

I had to report that. I also had to report that he told me he had no proof of the new claim.

If I interviewed Company X that told me 90% of profits came from popcorn sales, but later said only 20% of profits came from popcorn and 70% of profits came from selling DVDs that may have been bootlegged,, I'd have to report that change too.
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April 29th, 2020 at 8:06:40 PM permalink
So now we have two threads where this guy is telling us Singer won $300,000 over three years.

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