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AxelWolf
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May 3rd, 2020 at 3:06:54 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Any update on the interview and will he finally present proof of his claims?

A Brief background, regarding this from another forum.

Rob contacted me and wanted to tell me something I might find of Interest. I had no clue what he wanted to tell me at the time, I just knew it was about some play. I agreed I would listen, remain neutral and report on that on VCT. Remaining neutral wasn't so easy since me and Rob have not had the best of relationships on the forums. As most everyone knows... he has been fairly anti Advantage Player, and for the most part a gas-lighting troll and sometimes a complete a******.

When I talked to Rob he was fairly humble, level headed and personable. His story was fluent and he was able to answer questions without tripping up. He did seem sincere. He did know one aspect about the machine play that wasn't widely known(from what I read that aspect wasn't talked about in any of the articles published online, but it also wasn't super top-secret). Prior to my conversation with Rob on the phone, I certainly wouldn't have believed anything that came out of his fingers online, I especially wouldn't have believed he played this. I would have put it at a less than a zero chance.

After listening to what he had to say, I was no longer dead certain he was completely full of s*** regarding this, and there was a chance he did in fact play the double up bug(a few things kind of added up). There was/is a lot of things that still didn't make any sense. Rob could have easily got this information after the fact and came up with a good story. From my understanding, Rob has even owned his own machines.

When I relayed this information to the Forum people automatically assumed I was vouching for Rob and I was totally convinced he made Millions playing this double up bug. I never claimed any such thing, and I'm certainly not convinced.

Since then, he talked to Mickey Crimm and from my understanding Mickey IS convinced Rob did in fact make this play. I have no clue what Rob said to Mickey that has convinced him Rob is telling the truth. There was one aspect about these machines that most people didn't know, but Rob Rob did. At the time, many of us thought that information was super top secret, but as it turns out, it was actually known by quite a few people, it just wasn't written about online.
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Alan,
You know goddamn well this is not going to lead to proof of anything, either way.

There would have to be a pretty good investigation done to come up with proof either way.
Even then, I don't think there's any way we could ever prove 100% Rob didn't make this play, unless there is proof he was in prison or something.
But there could be ways Rob could prove he did play it, or at least it's way more likely than not.

From my understanding Rob claims to have even hid it from his family. Rob's has already had an answer to every logical question including things that didn't make any sense(I'm not saying they were good answers' I'm just saying the has answers). I'll name a few. (not exact quotes just the general gist), Never mind naming a few, here's the long and short of it. "Rob do you have any hard proof such as tax records or W2G's?" NO, I don't save that type of stuff after X amount of years. I could go on and on, but I won't.

There could be a situation where Rob says he did X Y or Z and those those claims are proven untrue. Add that to some other evidence and a picture could be painted to any sane person that Rob was not telling the truth.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AlanMendelson
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May 3rd, 2020 at 3:37:54 PM permalink
My "dog" in this fight is simply this. For about ten years Rob Singer told me he won about a million dollars profit playing his system. Then, months after the Wired article about Kane and Nestor, Rob insists on having an important private meeting. At that meeting he confessed to me that he misled me about what he won using his system and then claims he discovered the double up bug.

Rob never presented any proof to me about winnings from his system and when I asked him for proof about the double up bug he said he didn't have it either.

For many years I was torn apart on forums for reporting about and even defending Rob Singer. But after he confessed to me that he intentionally misled me as part of his cover story because he said he feared the double up bug use was criminal, I'm going to come clean and tell everyone what I know.

I have no proof that he ever won a dime. I have no proof that he discovered the double up bug and profited by $2.8-million. I have no proof, period.

As I said before you make up your own minds. And as I said before I made a big mistake. I should have demanded proof before I stuck my neck out.

I've heard all of Rob's explanations. There are many explanations but there is no proof.

Now that I've gone public about this Rob Singer has launched personal attacks against me and my family and he even posted online that I should commit suicide and I should kill others when I do. I have screen shots of his post. He also suggested another critic should commit suicide and he made those comments several times.

To the Wizard: I urge caution. To everyone else, decide for yourself.
AxelWolf
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May 3rd, 2020 at 4:17:03 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson





For many years I was torn apart on forums for reporting about and even defending Rob Singer. And as I said before I made a big mistake.

AND RIGHTFULLY SO. Let's forget about the double up bug for a moment.
There's zero chance his "Martingale" video poker system ever worked and ever will work, as it was being touted. I don't want to hear all this b******* about alternative ways to enjoy gambling blah blah blah. I don't care how it was worded, the simple fact is... it was all leading people to believe there was a way to beat video poker in the long run and make money at it using his system. There was/is a motive behind all that.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I should have demanded proof before I stuck my neck out.
And as I said before I made a big mistake. I should have demanded proof before I stuck my neck out.

Rob mentioned something about how you were using him and his system to help promote an add content to your website(long before Rob even mentioned that, I believe I brought that aspect up quite some time ago). I myself have already had to Wonder if that was your motivation NOT to demand proof and the reason you were willing to stick your neck out. Because, it's beyond me how anyone with any sort of gambling knowledge, especially someone who's been around for a long time, someone who has access to, and knowledge about forums such as this one could possibly believe his system and special plays had any merit whatsoever. I know you already kind of explained that, but I have to tell you, I'm not buying it. Perhaps you wanted to believe so much that there's other alternative ways other than actual Advantage Play methods to beat casinos that you were willing to go down that type of path and stick with it. Now here comes Rob.... he just happens to be a great fit for that narrative.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ChumpChange
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May 3rd, 2020 at 4:23:06 PM permalink
You'd need a fake ID to be skipping out on tax forms. I hear rich people do that all the time.

New York leads the way on cracking down on fake IDs | WHAM https://13wham.com/news/local/new-york-leads-the-way-on-cracking-down-on-fake-ids
AlanMendelson
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May 3rd, 2020 at 4:28:09 PM permalink
AxelWolf I think I made this clear. I let my guard down because of his newspaper column and his books and his website. I trusted his information by letting my guard down.

I didn't make any money from Rob Singer. And I can prove it by showing my long term records from Google Adsense showing the clicks and revenue for each and every page he appears on.

Yes, I HAVE THOSE TEN YEARS OF RECORDS.

My motivation was to get a good story, yes. The story turned out to be how the reporter failed.
AlanMendelson
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May 3rd, 2020 at 4:31:13 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

You'd need a fake ID to be skipping out on tax forms. I hear rich people do that all the time.



He didn't skip out on tax forms. He simply says he destroyed everything and can't show anything.

He also says the time for getting copies from the IRS has expired.

He has an explanation for every point or question you raise.
ChumpChange
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May 3rd, 2020 at 5:22:57 PM permalink
Machines be not random, and not all of the million dollars he won came from spotting patterns. Machines be cold as ice too.
Alan Mendelson & Rob Singer - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DF2GuWa72A
ChumpChange
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May 3rd, 2020 at 5:43:06 PM permalink
I always notice that machines try to figure out my play and may give me easy wins at the start to sort that out. But once they grow tired of me they go deathly cold for a long, long time. So a strategy of winning a 4 of a kind for the day at a higher denomination for a daily win goal seems appropriate to me. I could raise my denomination every 1000 hands for the day until I hit something big.
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Q: I’ve been dealt many three- and four-card royal flushes lately. What are the odds of this happening?

Playing Jacks or Better, you’ll experience the thrill of being dealt a four-card royal flush once in every 2,777 hands (roughly once every four hours on average). Once in every 92 hands, on average, you’ll be dealt a three-card royal flush (about 7-8 per hour). This is what makes video poker exciting; namely, that you’ll have several opportunities to draw for a royal flush even if the odds are somewhat long (see next question).

Q: When you hold three cards to the royal flush, what is the chance of getting the two cards that you need on the draw for a royal flush?

You have a one in 1,081 chance of getting the two cards you need for the royal flush. The following table shows the chance of hitting the royal flush on the draw when you hold x cards to the royal flush.
https://www.casinocenter.com/video-poker-about-that-royal-flush/

Q: How come every time I need one card for a royal flush, it never shows up, but that exact card that I needed always seems to show up on the very next hand?

That’s because you have “selective memory.” The computer program in the video poker machine that randomly selects the cards for each hand doesn’t use the information from previous hands to determine which cards it will deal. Every hand is a random deal regardless of what cards appeared (or didn’t appear) on the previous hand.
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AxelWolf
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May 3rd, 2020 at 8:39:13 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson



My motivation was to get a good story, yes.

What made you think some variation of VP martingale that's varying from optimal strategy was a good story?

You may not have made money directly from anything he was selling however it added content and traffic to your site.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
redietz
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May 3rd, 2020 at 8:48:54 PM permalink
For the same reasons, I think, that radio shows, TV shows, and book publishers fell all over Uri Geller, whose big claim to fame was "bending spoons with his mind." LOL. Anything quirky and not normal gets the ink.

Not being an aficionado of video poker, I don't know when the Nestor/Kane article appeared. So how long after the article saw publication do "Singer" contact Alan?
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