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December 20th, 2023 at 10:54:19 AM permalink
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So I’ve been ‘coin flipping’ on even money type bets (generally -110). Usually 2, sometimes 3, to use a boost. Today I put more work in. Let’s say spread is - or + 5.5 points on the site I am using. I now go to the other sites. If it’s -6 on the other sites, I take the favorite at -5.5. If it’s -5 there, I take the dog at +5.5. I have no reason to believe one site has better information than the other. I ‘think’ this will add a percent or two to my EV using these boosts. I found one this morning I got a whole extra point. At -110 each way not worth it on its own to ‘middle’, but since I ‘have’ to bet on something…. why not?

Two FD boosts last night +EV. Morant 20/Lillard 25 +130.
Curry, Tatum, Booker 25 +200. First hit easily…. Second Curry Booker over…. Tatum twisted ankle 1st Q, came back but too little, too late. That’s gambling….
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Use Pinnacle as the sportsbook to check your line against for purposes of deciding which side of the coin to land on.
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December 20th, 2023 at 2:07:36 PM permalink
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The Griz Bison game lived up to expectations. It was a two point spread and the Griz won by two in overtime when the Bison try a half back pass from the three yard line to tie it up. The pass was intercepted.
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Does the game end on the interception, or does the defender have an opportunity to advance the ball and possibly score? Could the defender theoretically fumble, and the other team recover and score? In a HS game, I saw a player intercept and return it over 100 yards for a touchdown, which drove the crowd crazy, and then angry when it was ruled the defender couldn't advance the ball after the interception.
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As stated before, it depends on the rules.

In high school, on an extra point attempt, the ball is dead when the defense has possession of it (National Federation of State High School Associations football rule 8-3-2(a)). Note that this does not apply in Texas, where high schools use slightly modified NCAA rules.

In college and the NFL, play continues on an interception, even if it is the final play of the game; as you said, it's possible that the receiver can be hit, fumble, and the original offense recover, as well as the intercepting team being able to return the ball back to the other end zone for two points.
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December 20th, 2023 at 3:21:02 PM permalink
I have no doubt this probably helps Spanky increase revenue however I noticed some questions in the survey that seem to be geared toward making sports betting better for everyone including pros. I don't know if you have to get the email to fill out the survey, I'm going to try to put a link to the survey and see if I can't put the survey questions here just in case someone decides they would like to fill it out.


Greetings Sports Betting Enthusiasts,

Since PASPA was overturned in 2018, there has been a groundswell of change in the US sports betting landscape. Almost 40 states now offer sports betting or are working to introduce it.

In concert with these developments, I have worked to provide two events that focus on the players within the sports betting ecosystem. One is Bet Bash, and I am proud to announce that the Fourth edition of this event will be held at Circa Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from August 6-9, 2024.

The second is the Sports Gambling Hall of Fame, located within the Circa Resort & Casino, which enshrined its first ten members in conjunction with the 2023 edition of Bet Bash and will add several more at the conclusion of 2024’s Bet Bash.

Both of these events were directed at bettors, and they have both been well-received by the betting public.

In order to better serve the bettor, I have attached the following anonymous survey to help shape our existing products and explore new areas where we can serve you. I would sincerely appreciate it if you would take a few minutes and fill out the attached questionnaire and return it by 12/25/23.

Here is to you always having the best of it,

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Since PASPA was overturned in 2018, there has been a groundswell of change in the US sports betting landscape. Almost 40 states now offer sports betting or are working to introduce it.

In concert with these developments, I have worked to provide two events that focus on the players within the sports betting ecosystem. One is Bet Bash, and I am proud to announce that the Fourth edition of this event will be held at Circa Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from August 6-9, 2024.

The second is the Sports Gambling Hall of Fame, located within the Circa Resort & Casino, which enshrined its first ten members in conjunction with the 2023 edition of Bet Bash and will add several more at the conclusion of 2024’s Bet Bash.

Both of these events were directed at bettors, and they have both been well-received by the betting public.

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December 20th, 2023 at 3:33:38 PM permalink
I often take favorites approaching -500 for a specific promotion. Today have an easy one. Cal over UCSD BBall. I check and they are up 19-2 after a few minutes. Went to check final score…. they are up 2 with a few minutes to go! Trust the process…. Go Cal…!
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December 20th, 2023 at 4:03:26 PM permalink
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I often take favorites approaching -500 for a specific promotion. Today have an easy one. Cal over UCSD BBall. I check and they are up 19-2 after a few minutes. Went to check final score…. they are up 2 with a few minutes to go! Trust the process…. Go Cal…!
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Good win. McGhie had a nice second half for the Tritons.
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December 21st, 2023 at 10:29:05 AM permalink
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pretty funny - to me anyway
on the Wizard's last livestream somebody asked him about betting on pro wrestling
he said he wouldn't do it

hilarious - betting on an event that is fixed or if you prefer scripted

the link gives tips on betting on pro wrestling_________ha ha ha_________and offers a link to offshore books that will accept bets on it

they don't allow big bets - I wonder why_____________:)

the Espn link states that Zack Ryder opened up at 20/1 to win a Championship and when the betting closed he was -2000____________:)


https://www.techopedia.com/gambling-guides/how-to-bet-on-wwe#:~:text=No%2C%20WWE%20betting%20is%20not,UFC%20fights%20around%20the%20world.

https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/25835244/inside-strange-world-wwe-betting


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December 23rd, 2023 at 1:39:32 PM permalink
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pretty funny - to me anyway
on the Wizard's last livestream somebody asked him about betting on pro wrestling
he said he wouldn't do it

hilarious - betting on an event that is fixed or if you prefer scripted

the link gives tips on betting on pro wrestling_________ha ha ha_________and offers a link to offshore books that will accept bets on it

they don't allow big bets - I wonder why_____________:)

the Espn link states that Zack Ryder opened up at 20/1 to win a Championship and when the betting closed he was -2000____________:)


https://www.techopedia.com/gambling-guides/how-to-bet-on-wwe#:~:text=No%2C%20WWE%20betting%20is%20not,UFC%20fights%20around%20the%20world.

https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/25835244/inside-strange-world-wwe-betting


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The radio told everyone he would win…lol

It would be funny if live lines worked in wrestling. Roman’s Superman Punch wouldn’t change things at all yet Orange Cassidy’s would. Weird how that is
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December 24th, 2023 at 9:19:01 AM permalink
I just made my first legal online sports bet in Florida. Go Golden Gophers.
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December 24th, 2023 at 4:48:03 PM permalink
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I just made my first legal online sports bet in Florida. Go Golden Gophers.
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Which Sportsbook? What was the sign up promo?
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December 24th, 2023 at 5:56:12 PM permalink
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I just made my first legal online sports bet in Florida. Go Golden Gophers.
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Which Sportsbook? What was the sign up promo?
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Currently only Hard Rock Bet is available in Florida online. The signup bonus is just $100. I did get a free $20 bet for Christmas bonus.
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December 25th, 2023 at 2:17:14 AM permalink
there will probably be some Billionaire Seminoles soon
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December 25th, 2023 at 7:34:41 AM permalink
I watched entire Knicks/Bucks game from MSG two nights ago. Knicks are missing starting center (Robinson) and 3rd center (Sims). So only have 2nd (Hartenstein) and reclamation project Taj Gibson. He was never better than average, and now NO WAY is an NBA player. Bucks took advantage and easily won. I don’t see why that will change for game tonight.
I have included Bucks at -160 In many of my parlays today. Plus over for Antetokuonpo in scoring. I like Lopez over rebounds as well. Hartenstein and Gibson are not like the modern NBA centers who can shoot from the outside, so I expect Lopez to be under the basket.
I have one preseason bet on Bucks -4 in this game. It is now -3.5 so I lost 1/2 point by betting very early. I must have gotten a free bet or something when I placed that bet…!

I (my own fault) got screwed on 76ers game. I have them in a parlay as a small favorite. Embiid now not playing and they are now an underdog. It’s only money…..
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December 26th, 2023 at 3:40:31 PM permalink
I hope you all faded my Bucks pick. And my 49ers pick. And my Chiefs pick. I can go on….. I do have one BIG parlay still alive. Sometimes to get a bonus it’s a ‘parlay plus’. So a regular same game parlay, parlayed with a bet on another game. I hit 4 legs on giants game, and now need Jets over 36.5 on Thursday to hit 35-1 bet. I hedged a little. When I went to hedge more the over/under moved down to 35.5. I’m not hedging any more. The thought of losing both sides on a 36 total is enough to not do it!

Not sure which thread, but I’ve started 4 parlays today with Minnesota. As BillyRyan mentioned, I’m not sure why they were in a bowl game, but in general, I’ll take Big Ten over MAC all day every day. Minnesota won in a close game.

Won’t mention which site or what sport, but I had a 3 leg parlay which lost by one leg by 1/2 a rebound. (Ok—. You know the sport). I got paid as if I won. It’s been over 24 hours. I had son check any and all sites where these stats are published. He could not find one that had me winning.
I ‘think’ someone will find it and reverse it. We shall see!
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December 26th, 2023 at 3:56:46 PM permalink
I won my first online Florida sports bet with the Golden Gophers (Row the Boat), now putting it all on Kansas -7.5 vs UNLV.
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December 26th, 2023 at 4:29:21 PM permalink
Christmas is over, time to think about 2024.

Does anyone know where I can find an excel-cuttable MLB schedule for 2024? Looking but nothing has the format I need. I am looking for team by team laid out as such:

DODGERS
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT

METS
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT

and so forth. I am laying it out horizontal on my sheet but I can paste special to fix that.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. So far nothing has that kind of layout I can cut. Baseball-reference is no help hoping I can manipulate it.
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT
DATE OPPONENT
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December 26th, 2023 at 10:32:19 PM permalink
In what I call a Christmas miracle, a man placed a $5 bet that fourteen players would all score a touchdown in last week's game.
Thirteen scored, leaving only Christian McCaffery needing one. He got it, and the bettor won $489,000 plus.
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December 27th, 2023 at 2:43:12 AM permalink
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In what I call a Christmas miracle, a man placed a $5 bet that fourteen players would all score a touchdown in last week's game.
Thirteen scored, leaving only Christian McCaffery needing one. He got it, and the bettor won $489,000 plus.
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From what I have seen those player props seem to be a place where sharps can find value if they parlay. This is an extreme example but I have seen it.
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December 27th, 2023 at 4:01:44 AM permalink
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interesting article about how the hold has been rising in sports betting

nationwide hold data from the article:

2019 - 7%
2020 - 7.2%
2021 - 7.5%
2022 - 8.1%

the article also states that FanDuel has held more than 10% of bets for 8 consecutive months and 9 of the last 10

the article suggests that parlays are responsible for the high hold


https://www.legalsportsreport.com/111012/analysis-2023-us-sports-betting-hold-trend/

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December 27th, 2023 at 4:23:19 AM permalink
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interesting article about how the hold has been rising in sports betting

nationwide hold data from the article:

2019 - 7%
2020 - 7.2%
2021 - 7.5%
2022 - 8.1%

the article also states that FanDuel has held more than 10% of bets for 8 consecutive months and 9 of the last 10

the article suggests that parlays are responsible for the high hold


https://www.legalsportsreport.com/111012/analysis-2023-us-sports-betting-hold-trend/

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I am not surprised as more people seem to betting the exotic bets more than just straight up -110 bets.
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December 27th, 2023 at 6:20:13 AM permalink
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interesting article about how the hold has been rising in sports betting

nationwide hold data from the article:

2019 - 7%
2020 - 7.2%
2021 - 7.5%
2022 - 8.1%

the article also states that FanDuel has held more than 10% of bets for 8 consecutive months and 9 of the last 10

the article suggests that parlays are responsible for the high hold


https://www.legalsportsreport.com/111012/analysis-2023-us-sports-betting-hold-trend/

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I am not surprised as more people seem to betting the exotic bets more than just straight up -110 bets.
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And ‘live’ bets tend to be -115 or worse. I’m sure NASCAR/golf bets are also way worse than -110.
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December 27th, 2023 at 7:42:03 AM permalink
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interesting article about how the hold has been rising in sports betting

nationwide hold data from the article:

2019 - 7%
2020 - 7.2%
2021 - 7.5%
2022 - 8.1%

the article also states that FanDuel has held more than 10% of bets for 8 consecutive months and 9 of the last 10

the article suggests that parlays are responsible for the high hold


https://www.legalsportsreport.com/111012/analysis-2023-us-sports-betting-hold-trend/

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I am not surprised as more people seem to betting the exotic bets more than just straight up -110 bets.
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And ‘live’ bets tend to be -115 or worse. I’m sure NASCAR/golf bets are also way worse than -110.
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Even the worst slot machines pay back 88% or more in B&M and 94% or more online. Online slots usually disclose the RTP in a clear manor.

Do any sports books have any disclosure of the juice? It is easy to calculate the vig on multiway bets, but there are plenty of props where you cannot calculate the vig at all. I think some sports wagers would be illegal in my state if they were slot machines because slots have a minimum legal RTP.

It is clear that the -110 or better bets were just loss leaders trying to capture market share. Now the books are in the mode of pushing clients into wagers with higher juice. I used to get promos for straight bets. Now the promos are mostly in-game and 3+ leg parlays. Casinos try to be competitive in slot hold when the law requires them to report slot hold to the public via the regulators. Sports books are bragging about how they are fleecing their customers by pushing a product with a higher vigorish. The customers are letting themselves be led to the slaughter.
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December 27th, 2023 at 8:17:44 AM permalink
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Now the promos are mostly in-game and 3+ leg parlays

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3+ leg *same game* parlays too, which are the worst because the algorithm is undisclosed and the ability to pick bets that you have better odds to begin with is limited.

I just went through my bet history to see how i did with them since DK switched to making most offers have you start with a 3 leg SGP. I divided them up to once where the final odds were +100 to +200, then +200 to +250, and so on. Realizing they were hard to win, I mostly strove for +100 to +200 and found 36 of these bets, exactly 9 of which I won, one out of 4. Of the other categories, not enough to go on at all but none did well.

36 bets, for that matter, are not enough to conclude anything, but if you wanted to say that I should have won at least 25% of them since some were just over +100, then the ones I did win should have been paying closer to +300 or the house edge is a killer. OK, I just said I can’t conclude that, maybe I just had bad luck. The offers were typically ‘no sweat’ which are basically second chance type, bet on anything. I’d say I have to strongly suspect that this factor is keeping me approximately even. I did want a tiny bit to go on. I’ve decided to just play them for fun and bet the minimum, 10 cents, my patience is otherwise gone.

In other news of woe, but does speak well of DK, recently freebets of $50 and $20 that came my way went down the tubes as losses. Grrrrrrrrrrrr
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December 27th, 2023 at 8:24:17 AM permalink
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Sports books are bragging about how they are fleecing their customers by pushing a product with a higher vigorish. The customers are letting themselves be led to the slaughter.


there has been a massive increase in the legalization of gambling in the last few years - especially sports betting
and a gigantic increase in the advertising of gambling sites
many who are reeled in aren't experienced or knowledgeable
The National Council on Problem Gambling estimates that the risk of gambling addiction has grown by 30% in just three years
the Director of NCPG calls problem gambling "a ticking time bomb"
per the link problem gambling has the highest suicide attempt rate - up to 20% - of all addictions


https://money.com/gambling-addiction-all-time-high/

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December 27th, 2023 at 8:24:50 AM permalink
FSU will be playing their bowl game, missing at least five starters, with the man slated to start at QB announcing he will enter the transfer portal.
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December 27th, 2023 at 8:44:08 AM permalink
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Casinos try to be competitive in slot hold when the law requires them to report slot hold to the public via the regulators. Sports books are bragging about how they are fleecing their customers by pushing a product with a higher vigorish. The customers are letting themselves be led to the slaughter.



I believe this is true in almost all casino games. Casinos are pushing players to play video slots as the hold is much higher and the bets are higher than traditional mechanical reel games. Table games do the same, they offer a side bet on a 1% BJ game that holds 9%. I can't blame the casinos for offering worse bets if the sheeple continue to play them. As long as they leave the fair bets in place I sure don't care if they offer terrible bets.
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December 27th, 2023 at 11:12:18 AM permalink
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interesting article about how the hold has been rising in sports betting

nationwide hold data from the article:

2019 - 7%
2020 - 7.2%
2021 - 7.5%
2022 - 8.1%

the article also states that FanDuel has held more than 10% of bets for 8 consecutive months and 9 of the last 10

the article suggests that parlays are responsible for the high hold


https://www.legalsportsreport.com/111012/analysis-2023-us-sports-betting-hold-trend/

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I am not surprised as more people seem to betting the exotic bets more than just straight up -110 bets.
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And ‘live’ bets tend to be -115 or worse. I’m sure NASCAR/golf bets are also way worse than -110.
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Even the worst slot machines pay back 88% or more in B&M and 94% or more online. Online slots usually disclose the RTP in a clear manor.

Do any sports books have any disclosure of the juice? It is easy to calculate the vig on multiway bets, but there are plenty of props where you cannot calculate the vig at all. I think some sports wagers would be illegal in my state if they were slot machines because slots have a minimum legal RTP.

It is clear that the -110 or better bets were just loss leaders trying to capture market share. Now the books are in the mode of pushing clients into wagers with higher juice. I used to get promos for straight bets. Now the promos are mostly in-game and 3+ leg parlays. Casinos try to be competitive in slot hold when the law requires them to report slot hold to the public via the regulators. Sports books are bragging about how they are fleecing their customers by pushing a product with a higher vigorish. The customers are letting themselves be led to the slaughter.
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I disagree on the -110 bets being loss leaders. Colleague who will be ‘betting a grand’ on Bills spread at -110 has an expected profit for the book of $45. Not as lucrative for the book as a multi leg parlay, but not a loss leader. They do compete with each other for the -110 bettor. I’ve seen both sides at -108, when a different book was -112 on both sides.

Today starting needing Tulane to cover +10.5. It’s last leg of parlay. I have new parlays starting with opponent, Va Tech, moneyline. Tulane scores early TD on a scoop and score.
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December 27th, 2023 at 12:25:46 PM permalink
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I can't blame the casinos for offering worse bets if the sheeple continue to play them.


I have a lot of feeling for the "sheeple"
the lure of gambling is so strong - and all of the advertising reeling in new victims every day
many will get badly hurt -
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December 27th, 2023 at 12:39:00 PM permalink
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I can't blame the casinos for offering worse bets if the sheeple continue to play them.


I have a lot of feeling for the "sheeple"
the lure of gambling is so strong - and all of the advertising reeling in new victims every day
many will get badly hurt -
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I look at it differently. If the sheeple lose their money they may want to become educated on why they lost it and look for a different or better way to play.

Sorry, I am just not very sensitive to the plight of others if they can educate themselves out of their predicament.
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December 27th, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM permalink
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I can't blame the casinos for offering worse bets if the sheeple continue to play them.


I have a lot of feeling for the "sheeple"
the lure of gambling is so strong - and all of the advertising reeling in new victims every day
many will get badly hurt -
.
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I look at it differently. If the sheeple lose their money they may want to become educated on why they lost it and look for a different or better way to play.

Sorry, I am just not very sensitive to the plight of others if they can educate themselves out of their predicament.
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The ‘sheeple’s existence is why my small advantages exist. If no one was losing because of the good offers I can take advantage of, those offers wouldn’t exist.

I love Orlando Magic tonight. Slight favorites over 76ers. I feel the line would be correct IF league MVP Embiid was playing…. but he’s not! I frankly don’t understand why they aren’t MUCH bigger favorite. Last check was only 2 point favorite. Last game I felt this way…. was when 76ers lost to Heat without Embiid.
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December 27th, 2023 at 1:11:44 PM permalink
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I can't blame the casinos for offering worse bets if the sheeple continue to play them.


I have a lot of feeling for the "sheeple"
the lure of gambling is so strong - and all of the advertising reeling in new victims every day
many will get badly hurt -
.
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I look at it differently. If the sheeple lose their money they may want to become educated on why they lost it and look for a different or better way to play.

Sorry, I am just not very sensitive to the plight of others if they can educate themselves out of their predicament.
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re the sheeple - I wasn't referring to playing against bad odds
I was referring to becoming addicted
a great many very intelligent people have become alcoholics
their education and knowledge couldn't help them -

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December 27th, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM permalink
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I was referring to becoming addicted
a great many very intelligent people have become alcoholics
their education and knowledge couldn't help them -



A great many people have not become alcoholics because of their knowledge and education. I would also assume a lot of alcoholics have quit drinking after getting further education and knowledge.
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December 27th, 2023 at 6:50:21 PM permalink
Fade me. Embiid-less 76ers trounced the Magic.
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December 28th, 2023 at 10:52:10 AM permalink
I was offered a free same game parlay for $10 at Hard Rock. I put it on Oklahoma and Under.

I am now a high roller like Soopoo
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December 28th, 2023 at 11:34:33 AM permalink
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I was offered a free same game parlay for $10 at Hard Rock. I put it on Oklahoma and Under.

I am now a high roller like Soopoo
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Good luck. I’ve just used one of my many $25 free bets to join you. To add spice I’ve parlayed it with the Canucks tonight.
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December 28th, 2023 at 6:25:44 PM permalink
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I was offered a free same game parlay for $10 at Hard Rock. I put it on Oklahoma and Under.

I am now a high roller like Soopoo
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Good luck. I’ve just used one of my many $25 free bets to join you. To add spice I’ve parlayed it with the Canucks tonight.
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I am glad you didn't bet much on it because I am not very confidant in that bet. I hate parlays as I have enough trouble picking one winner but it was a free bet and had to be used today. In my mind Arizona is still the terrible team from the past 10 years so I am just betting against them. They actually had a pretty good year by beating Utah and UCLA and played well against Washington even though they lost that game.
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December 28th, 2023 at 6:55:20 PM permalink
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I was offered a free same game parlay for $10 at Hard Rock. I put it on Oklahoma and Under.

I am now a high roller like Soopoo
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Good luck. I’ve just used one of my many $25 free bets to join you. To add spice I’ve parlayed it with the Canucks tonight.
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I am glad you didn't bet much on it because I am not very confidant in that bet. I hate parlays as I have enough trouble picking one winner but it was a free bet and had to be used today. In my mind Arizona is still the terrible team from the past 10 years so I am just betting against them. They actually had a pretty good year by beating Utah and UCLA and played well against Washington even though they lost that game.
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I can tell you this. ALL of the non playoff bowl games are pathetic. I’ve watched a few….. the commentary tends to go like this…. ‘This is the 3rd string QB making his debut without 3 of the 4 top receivers. The others are in ‘the transfer portal’ or have ‘opted out’ to prepare for the draft. The head coach has already moved on so the assistant defensive line coach is the interim head coach’. You or I have NO WAY to tell which team is more decimated than the other. It looks like Florida State has been particularly hard hit.

I finally hit a big one. Jets over 37.5 was last leg of 35-1 parlay. I (foolishly?) hedged around 20% of my winnings….. 51 at the half!

I have one more live good parlay. Have Mizzou to win. When I made the bet it was a pick’em game. Probably another Mizzou player of import opted out, or maybe Marvin Harrison opted in, because Mizzou is now 3 point underdog.
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December 28th, 2023 at 7:17:40 PM permalink
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I have one more live good parlay. Have Mizzou to win. When I made the bet it was a pick’em game. Probably another Mizzou player of import opted out, or maybe Marvin Harrison opted in, because Mizzou is now 3 point underdog.



I am seeing +4.5 now.
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December 29th, 2023 at 7:04:13 AM permalink
just got robbed at DK due to the *tricky way* live betting was shown.......bet I made had no chance of winning ....... really, really bad the way I was suckered in. Too embarrassing to go into details

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December 29th, 2023 at 8:22:12 AM permalink
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just got robbed at DK due to the *tricky way* live betting was shown.......bet I made had no chance of winning ....... really, really bad the way I was suckered in. Too embarrassing to go into details

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Fess up……

There are often essentially no chance bets that are offered. If you can’t bet the other side that’s a good hint.

I look for (the very rare) soccer bet. Team up 3 goals with a few minutes to play. They will allow you to bet on ‘tie’ at maybe 50-1, or the losing team at 250-1. But usually no way to bet on the team ahead. Every now and then I’ve found such a bet at -15000. I’ve plopped down $6 for my free 4 cents.

My ‘analysis’ recently has been dreadful. I’m reverting to just using coin flips if not wanting to put the effort in to find the ‘free’ extra half points.

The DRich Oklahoma/under bet of course finished Arizona/over. And the Canucks were smoked. If I would have faded/parlayed our picks I’d be a rich man…..
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December 29th, 2023 at 10:15:43 AM permalink
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Fess up……

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Chagrin is due to the fact greed got me

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December 29th, 2023 at 6:58:52 PM permalink
The first half of this Ohio State Missouri game may be the worst football I have seen.
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December 29th, 2023 at 7:23:08 PM permalink
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The first half of this Ohio State Missouri game may be the worst football I have seen.
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I think OSU is now using 5th string QB. Throwing to 5th string WRs. They mentioned that all year OSU used same O Line. And then all the changes for game tonight.

It’s not OSU -Mizzou. It’s the leftovers of both….
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December 29th, 2023 at 7:46:39 PM permalink
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I think OSU is now using 5th string QB. Throwing to 5th string WRs. They mentioned that all year OSU used same O Line. And then all the changes for game tonight.

It’s not OSU -Mizzou. It’s the leftovers of both….
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This game is frankly the best reason yet for a 12 team playoff.
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December 29th, 2023 at 8:15:33 PM permalink
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The first half of this Ohio State Missouri game may be the worst football I have seen.
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I think OSU is now using 5th string QB. Throwing to 5th string WRs. They mentioned that all year OSU used same O Line. And then all the changes for game tonight.

It’s not OSU -Mizzou. It’s the leftovers of both….
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This game is frankly the best reason yet for a 12 team playoff.
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There would then be 4 meaningful 1st round games. The rest of the toilet Bowl games would still be like this.

But you are right. This game very easily could have been a first round game. Then the top players would be playing.
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December 30th, 2023 at 9:04:27 AM permalink
My (most likely -EV) bet of the day is Lebron James to score 30. Recently he’s been racking up assists at the expense of scoring. But today is his 39th birthday. I think he might be more selfish and score more. It is also my Ex anniversary as I married (first time!) 39 years ago today.

I might bet on James to get 39 or more…. I’ll see what it pays….
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December 30th, 2023 at 11:06:44 AM permalink
it appears that the Graz 99ers are ahead by 3 goals to one ... so I have to ask you, would you take this bet? Ahead by 3 goals to one, 3rd period winding up, and you get offered a bet that would seem to be paying 19 to one.

Would you sort of suspect they've made a mistake and take that bet? No, because you are a lot smarter than me, and not as greedy to boot!

Live right now

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December 30th, 2023 at 11:10:36 AM permalink
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it appears that the Graz 99ers are ahead by 3 goals to one ... so I have to ask you, would you take this bet? Ahead by 3 goals to one, 3rd period winding up, and you get offered a bet that would seem to be paying 19 to one.

Would you sort of suspect they've made a mistake and take that bet? No, because you are a lot smarter than me, and not as greedy to boot!

Live right now


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I don’t understand why -2.5 is +154. Assume the Steinbach will be pulling the goalie soon . . .
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December 30th, 2023 at 11:10:36 AM permalink
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December 30th, 2023 at 11:47:58 AM permalink
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it appears that the Graz 99ers are ahead by 3 goals to one ... so I have to ask you, would you take this bet? Ahead by 3 goals to one, 3rd period winding up, and you get offered a bet that would seem to be paying 19 to one.

Would you sort of suspect they've made a mistake and take that bet? No, because you are a lot smarter than me, and not as greedy to boot!

Live right now


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I would have tried to bet $1 to see what would happen. If the resulting bet would have shown $1 pays $20, I would have bet a larger amount. Not sure how much…..

Other team pulled goalie and Graz won 4-1.

I hope you bet something on them!!!!
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December 30th, 2023 at 11:57:38 AM permalink
Penn State #1 defensive team in the country.

But today playing without 4 linebackers/cornerbacks/safeties. So to trying to assess Penn State’s defensive abilities based on this season is USELESS. Ole Miss is destroying Penn State’s defense. 481 yards at end of 3rd quarter.

There’s got to be a ‘sharp’ (not me!) who could see this massacre in advance.
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