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Starting QB week 1 for 49ers next year?
Purdy?
Lance?
Garoppolo?
Brady?
Other?
Probably 20% each!
I'm going to say either Purdy or Brady. I don't think Jimmy G. will even be a 49er next season.
. I guess you didn’t read my post. I said they should take a knee. Both are admitting you are not trying to win the game. McCaffrey towards the end did throw a pass pretty far downfield. Too bad there weren’t any teammates pretty far downfield. I’ve thought about the QB and agree with you on Garoppolo. And Purdy and/or Brady. I just don’t know where Lance fits in.Quote: Mission146Brock Purdy is presently incapable of the physical act of throwing a football; what do you expect the 49ers to do? Purdy wouldn't even be in there but for the fact that the 49ers fourth-stringer is concussed.
I'm going to say either Purdy or Brady. I don't think Jimmy G. will even be a 49er next season.
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(I know they can’t really just take a knee….)
Quote: SOOPOO. I guess you didn’t read my post. I said they should take a knee. Both are admitting you are not trying to win the game. McCaffrey towards the end did throw a pass pretty far downfield. Too bad there weren’t any teammates pretty far downfield. I’ve thought about the QB and agree with you on Garoppolo. And Purdy and/or Brady. I just don’t know where Lance fits in.Quote: Mission146Brock Purdy is presently incapable of the physical act of throwing a football; what do you expect the 49ers to do? Purdy wouldn't even be in there but for the fact that the 49ers fourth-stringer is concussed.
I'm going to say either Purdy or Brady. I don't think Jimmy G. will even be a 49er next season.
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(I know they can’t really just take a knee….)
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I’d say Lance is the presumptive backup if Purdy; if Brady, then as embarrassing as it would be (given the draft capital they traded away to be able to get Lance), I think you’d probably have to cut him loose and have Purdy as QB2.
Although, Lance is cheap enough for a QB3. I also don’t know what other teams would be willing to give for him; maybe a second-rounder?
I didn’t misread; I misunderstood. I thought you were being sarcastic about taking a knee.
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/steeler-talk-2022-season-observations/
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I'm going to say either Purdy or Brady. I don't think Jimmy G. will even be a 49er next season.
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Jimmy G is my early pick to be the Raiders starting QB next year.
I am thinking Trey Lance ultimately gets the starting job back, think Purdy had to go to the Super Bowl, NFC championship didn’t keep them from giving it to Lance from Jimmy.
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/2022-nfl-season-quick-breakdowns/
Everyone should read this article so they can point and laugh at my horrible win total Picks!!!
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I'm going to say either Purdy or Brady. I don't think Jimmy G. will even be a 49er next season.
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Jimmy G is my early pick to be the Raiders starting QB next year.
I am thinking Trey Lance ultimately gets the starting job back, think Purdy had to go to the Super Bowl, NFC championship didn’t keep them from giving it to Lance from Jimmy.
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You don't think they'll factor in the injury to Purdy in the first drive of the game? At a minimum, I would assume it'll be a competition.
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I'm going to say either Purdy or Brady. I don't think Jimmy G. will even be a 49er next season.
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Jimmy G is my early pick to be the Raiders starting QB next year.
I am thinking Trey Lance ultimately gets the starting job back, think Purdy had to go to the Super Bowl, NFC championship didn’t keep them from giving it to Lance from Jimmy.
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You don't think they'll factor in the injury to Purdy in the first drive of the game? At a minimum, I would assume it'll be a competition.
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I’m sure they’ll factor it in. And yeah, competition sounds right. Biggest factor is that their GM, given the resources to acquire him, believes or believed in Lance at a very high level and he didn’t really lose the job through performance. Interesting situation to see play out to be sure.
1. Brock Purdy - no matter his future, forever to be known as Mr. Irrelevant
2. Baker Mayfield - looked like he was on his way out of the NFL
3. Joshua Dobbs - Rescued from 2+ years as a practice QB. Buried behind Rothlisberger and then very unluckily traded away from Steelers just before opportunities opened up. In college Jalen Hurts and Josh Dobbs were #1 and #2 among SEC QBs for a couple of years, and the gap between them then was small.
4. Sam Ehlinger
5. Sam Howell
6. Desmond Ridder
7. Nathan Peterman
Which ones will start? Become backups? Become #3s? Practice QBs or out of the NFL quickly?
Quote: gordonm888Towards the end of the season there was a surge of forgotten or little-known quarterbacks getting opportunities. What will happen to these guys?
1. Brock Purdy - no matter his future, forever to be known as Mr. Irrelevant
2. Baker Mayfield - looked like he was on his way out of the NFL
3. Joshua Dobbs - Rescued from 2+ years as a practice QB. Buried behind Rothlisberger and then very unluckily traded away from Steelers just before opportunities opened up. In college Jalen Hurts and Josh Dobbs were #1 and #2 among SEC QBs for a couple of years, and the gap between them then was small.
4. Sam Ehlinger
5. Sam Howell
6. Desmond Ridder
7. Nathan Peterman
Which ones will start? Become backups? Become #3s? Practice QBs or out of the NFL quickly?
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1.) Either the starter for the 49ers or will compete for the spot. If they get one of the significant FA veterans, then backup.
2.) Most likely a backup somewhere.
3.) I don't know. Was his performance with TEN even enough to compel someone to put him on a roster? Third-string somewhere, if so. Maybe backup, but I'd be surprised.
4.) Why would the Colts release him? Backup or 3rd string next season. He's cheap as hell, no reason to release him. Doesn't have any trade value in this draft, imo.
5.) Backup for the Commanders. Why release him? No trade value.
6.) Maybe competes for Falcons' starting spot if they don't make any big moves? Why would they release him? Also, no trade value.
7.) Who knows? I could take snaps and immediately throw the ball out of bounds, literally every single play, and I'd have a better career QB Rate than Peterman does.
Maybe Mayfield ends up in competition with a rookie QB, sort of like Trubisky this year, likely starts some games.
Ridder idk, likely backup but has a chance to compete.
Purdy I think is in competition with Lance but it’s like a 60-40 competition not 50-50 where they get roughly equal reps in pre-season, but Lance is the starter by default if Purdy isn’t clearly better. I suppose they could trade Lance around the draft to be a starter elsewhere if they can get a good return, but I think they value the QB depth given what’s happened
this year and the combined salary is well below average starting QB.
None of the rest have any reasonable chance to start next season without injury circumstances.
Quote: SOOPOONot sure when the Purdy guesses were made, but he needs MAJOR arm surgery for a QB. And it’s not like he had the ‘gun for an arm’ that his competitors did. He may not even be cleared to practice, let alone play, by August. If you made me pick I’d go Brady, Lance, Garoppolo, Purdy, Other.
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Pffttt…Who do you think you are, some sort of doctor or something?
Quote: mcallister3200Could see Dobbs ending up with a sort of Colt McCoy or Chad Henne type career, long career as mid level backup. Not a bad gig if you can get it.
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Henne has had a pretty cushy career as the KC backup QB. I do think it is funny that I am seeing on Twitter that his play during the Divisional round exposes Mahomes and the Chiefs system. People really want to make excuses as to why their team loss and not acknowledge that KC has an amazing team.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: SOOPOONot sure when the Purdy guesses were made, but he needs MAJOR arm surgery for a QB. And it’s not like he had the ‘gun for an arm’ that his competitors did. He may not even be cleared to practice, let alone play, by August. If you made me pick I’d go Brady, Lance, Garoppolo, Purdy, Other.
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Pffttt…Who do you think you are, some sort of doctor or something?
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It’s not from my orthopedic expertise! It’s from reading internet articles. My one true story is I personally watched a pro football player have surgery on his thumb, and I thought there was NO WAY he’d be playing in 6 days. He played, and played well.
Quote: AitchTheLetterQuote: mcallister3200Could see Dobbs ending up with a sort of Colt McCoy or Chad Henne type career, long career as mid level backup. Not a bad gig if you can get it.
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Henne has had a pretty cushy career as the KC backup QB. I do think it is funny that I am seeing on Twitter that his play during the Divisional round exposes Mahomes and the Chiefs system. People really want to make excuses as to why their team loss and not acknowledge that KC has an amazing team.
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Two things about Henne. He did start for most of three seasons so he deserves some credit for earning it but it’s been almost a decade, he’s cashed a lot of checks off that. Secondly, yeah, five years in the same place, same coach for a backup he couldn’t possibly have been better prepared for the opportunity.
Byron Leftwich -- XLIII with the Steelers (also got one as OC for the Bucs)
Mark Brunell -- XLIV with the Saints
Nick Foles -- LII with the Eagles (before his stint with the Jags)
Blaine Gabbert -- LV with the Bucs
[Edit: forgot one!]
Quote: SOOPOONot sure when the Purdy guesses were made, but he needs MAJOR arm surgery for a QB. And it’s not like he had the ‘gun for an arm’ that his competitors did. He may not even be cleared to practice, let alone play, by August. If you made me pick I’d go Brady, Lance, Garoppolo, Purdy, Other.
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Brady announced his retirement today, so it's probably going to be Brady. JK
Quote: gordonm888Towards the end of the season there was a surge of forgotten or little-known quarterbacks getting opportunities. What will happen to these guys?
1. Brock Purdy - no matter his future, forever to be known as Mr. Irrelevant
2. Baker Mayfield - looked like he was on his way out of the NFL
3. Joshua Dobbs - Rescued from 2+ years as a practice QB. Buried behind Rothlisberger and then very unluckily traded away from Steelers just before opportunities opened up. In college Jalen Hurts and Josh Dobbs were #1 and #2 among SEC QBs for a couple of years, and the gap between them then was small.
4. Sam Ehlinger
5. Sam Howell
6. Desmond Ridder
7. Nathan Peterman
Which ones will start? Become backups? Become #3s? Practice QBs or out of the NFL quickly?
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I realize that that you have a generally negative opinion of Stetson Bennett, but if I were in a position to ponder a late round draft pick, say 4th round or later, and I was in need of a quarterback, he would be my choice.
Physically he is 5'11' and 190 lbs. That is taller than Kyler Murphy and equal to Russell Wilson and Tua.
I watched him play every game at UGA, and his accuracy I would compare to Drew Brees. Consider these stats:
He was 29 and 1 as a starter.
He was the first QB to engineer consecutive College Football Playoff titles. He worked four CFP games and was MVP in all four. In those four games, he threw for 1189 yards with 12 TD's and only one pick. He completed 67.8% of his passes and ran for 3 TD's. He led a 4th quarter comeback against Alabama and epic rallies against Ohio State. In others words, the dude is clutch. He beat Bryce Young, C.J.Stroud, and Max Duggan.
Here in Georgia he has been labeled as the UGA GOAT of quarterbacks.
For me, it is hard to imagine that he could not outdo or outplay those listed above in this thread.
His Combine activity will be closely watched and provide greater insight in his abilities.
Let's wait and see.
tuttigym
Getting arrested last weekend certainly improved his draft status.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1620772095889403905
A 29-2 winning record for his team is not the way to judge an individual player. Bennett played on a Ga. team whose roster was 72% comprised of players who were 4-stars or 5 star recruits (Stetson of course was a walk-on) and every opponent they played this last year, except for Ohio State, had less than 50% of their roster who were rated as 4 and 5 stars. That is why Georgia won so many games, they had better players everywhere else. Georgia's winning record was primarily due to their elite defense. Bennett's statistics were inflated by the elite offensive lines he stood behind and the great receivers he threw too.
Projecting the NFL draft is an inexact science, but Bennett is currently projected as a late fifth round pick. Of course, that was before Blotto-Gate (his arrest in Texas). Sight unseen, I would definitely pick him over Nate Peterman - hey, I would pick a turd over Nathan Peterman. But, as you say, time will tell whether he is Tom Brady or Jimmy Clausen.
an Eagles player - Josh Sills - a scrub I believe - has been charged with rape and kidnapping in Ohio
sure to cause a lot of chatter
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/sport/philadelphia-eagles-player-rape-charges-spt-intl/index.html
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an Eagles player - Josh Sills - a scrub I believe - has been charged with rape and kidnapping in Ohio
sure to cause a lot of chatter
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/sport/philadelphia-eagles-player-rape-charges-spt-intl/index.html
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I always find it to be sensationalism journalism when a story like this comes out after the team makes the Super Bowl. This case was from 2019. I am happy to see that the victim did report the case in 2019 and didn't just bring it up now. Hopefully this will play out in court and if a crime was committed the player will have justice served.
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an Eagles player - Josh Sills - a scrub I believe - has been charged with rape and kidnapping in Ohio
sure to cause a lot of chatter
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/sport/philadelphia-eagles-player-rape-charges-spt-intl/index.html
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I always find it to be sensationalism journalism when a story like this comes out after the team makes the Super Bowl. This case was from 2019. I am happy to see that the victim did report the case in 2019 and didn't just bring it up now. Hopefully this will play out in court and if a crime was committed the player will have justice served.
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according to 2 different stories the Ohio AG Office indicted him on Tuesday and announced it on Wednesday
I believe there was an investigation but he was un-indicted until then
so, sensationalism may be on the part of the AG's Office - the AG could have waited until after the SB if they've already waited this long
it wouldn't surprise me at all that the AG, who is an elected official, would like to get his name in the press - show everybody what a tough guy he is
I can't blame the press for their reporting of it
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Oh well, I'm now a Sabres supporter. In NHL history, we are the first team to place 31st!
Quote: KirkSuttonBilly is aware that I saw each home Islanders Playoff game during their inaugural Stanley Cup winning season.
Oh well, I'm now a Sabres supporter. In NHL history, we are the first team to place 31st!
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Am I supposed to know you?
interesting stat - to me anyway
the NBA All Star game - which is a shootout - never had the total go over 300 points until 2012 when it barely got over 300
then, from 2014 to the present every single game except one went over 300 points
in 2017 they got close to 400 points - they scored 374
for everyday games right now the totals are usually somewhere between 215 and 245
to say the least - the All Star game definitely does not feature great defense
it will be interesting to see what they set the total at this year
last year the betting total was set at 324.5 points
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In summary, the WNBA is a shitty product, whose players have the usual entitled mentality. Has any WoV member ever watched an entire WNBA game? It is painful…
Quote: SOOPOOThe WNBA players are whining again about having to fly commercial. Management points out how much charters cost. I checked on attendance/ticket cost for the WNBA. Hard to get exact figures, but the TOTAL ticket sales for the ENTIRE WNBA season is less than $65 million! That’s for ALL the teams! The product just can’t put fannies in the seats. I doubt they get ratings above Naked and Afraid. To put the $65 million into perspective, that would be enough to pay Evan Fournier, Derrick Rose, Joe Harris, and Evan Mobley. And that’s it. Unless you follow NBA closely you may not know those guys. Harris and Mobley at least play.
In summary, the WNBA is a shitty product, whose players have the usual entitled mentality. Has any WoV member ever watched an entire WNBA game? It is painful…
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Simple solution. Allow the players to charter their own plane.
Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOThe WNBA players are whining again about having to fly commercial. Management points out how much charters cost. I checked on attendance/ticket cost for the WNBA. Hard to get exact figures, but the TOTAL ticket sales for the ENTIRE WNBA season is less than $65 million! That’s for ALL the teams! The product just can’t put fannies in the seats. I doubt they get ratings above Naked and Afraid. To put the $65 million into perspective, that would be enough to pay Evan Fournier, Derrick Rose, Joe Harris, and Evan Mobley. And that’s it. Unless you follow NBA closely you may not know those guys. Harris and Mobley at least play.
In summary, the WNBA is a shitty product, whose players have the usual entitled mentality. Has any WoV member ever watched an entire WNBA game? It is painful…
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Simple solution. Allow the players to charter their own plane.
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I think the plane issue is specifically outlined in the Collective Bargaining Agreement that the PLAYERS signed with the owners. That it would be a competitive advantage for any team that has charters if all teams don’t have charters. So no owner can pay for a charter and that was AGREED to by the players!
So here is the solution. In the next CBA insist that the $25million needed for the charters be in the budget. Just subtract that from the $65 million used to pay player salaries, coach salaries, arena expenses, legal expenses, accounting expenses, and whatever ‘profits’. (LOL) an owner hopes to make….
I know there is some money from jersey sales, commercial ties, etc…. But the $25 million has to come from somewhere. Certainly not from the ‘popularity’ of the league.
Can you imagine if the (predominately) white male Pro Bowlers Association ‘demanded’ charter flights from event to event?
I've never watched a WNBA game but I've also not watched the NBA regular season in many years. Growing up, BBall was my favorite sport but today's game is a long way from the sport I loved.
Quote: SOOPOOThe WNBA players are whining again about having to fly commercial. Management points out how much charters cost. I checked on attendance/ticket cost for the WNBA. Hard to get exact figures, but the TOTAL ticket sales for the ENTIRE WNBA season is less than $65 million! That’s for ALL the teams! The product just can’t put fannies in the seats. I doubt they get ratings above Naked and Afraid. To put the $65 million into perspective, that would be enough to pay Evan Fournier, Derrick Rose, Joe Harris, and Evan Mobley. And that’s it. Unless you follow NBA closely you may not know those guys. Harris and Mobley at least play.
I say just change the CBA and allow players to travel on their own to games if they choose to do so. If they want to charter they can and if not the team will still pay for commercial travel.
Quote: SOOPOOThe WNBA players are whining again about having to fly commercial. Management points out how much charters cost. I checked on attendance/ticket cost for the WNBA. Hard to get exact figures, but the TOTAL ticket sales for the ENTIRE WNBA season is less than $65 million! That’s for ALL the teams! The product just can’t put fannies in the seats. I doubt they get ratings above Naked and Afraid. To put the $65 million into perspective, that would be enough to pay Evan Fournier, Derrick Rose, Joe Harris, and Evan Mobley. And that’s it. Unless you follow NBA closely you may not know those guys. Harris and Mobley at least play.
A total joke, same as the WNBA itself. Someone has to tell these ladies that the WNBA is a minor league at best. Tell them that they want to fly charter then they have to generate the money that justifies that. But they think that the only difference is "they are women."
News flash for them. Nobody is watching. How many people can name three teams in the WNBA without looking? The only reason I can see to watch is for sharps who can find some betting edge.
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News flash for them. Nobody is watching. How many people can name three teams in the WNBA without looking? The only reason I can see to watch is for sharps who can find some betting edge.
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In the first 5 years or so there was a lot of good betting opportunities in WNBA. I do not know if they still exist in the quantity that they did before. I don't think I have ever watched a whole WNBA game and probably only watched a few hours in total. Sun, Mercury, Sparks, Aces. Those are the only teams I can think of off the top of my head.
unfortunately for the women they're competing for entertainment quality with the NBA and it's not even remotely close
the men in the NBA are almost Supermen and are capable of jaw dropping feats of athleticism
in my mind the WNBA is playing on a level roughly equal to men's small college basketball
it would be really interesting, and maybe quite profitable to see them play against a men's small college team
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unfortunately for the women they're competing for entertainment quality with the NBA and it's not even remotely close
the men in the NBA are almost Supermen and are capable of jaw dropping feats of athleticism
in my mind the WNBA is playing on a level roughly equal to men's small college basketball
it would be really interesting, and maybe quite profitable to see them play against a men's small college team
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The mens small college team would annihilate any pro woman’s team. There is NO WAY the WNBA would allow its product to be exposed that way.
By the way, the pathetic story about a D-1 woman’s game allegedly being played with a man’s ball…. I’ve picked up a woman’s sized ball at the gym a few times and INSTANTANEOUSLY knew it wasn’t a regulation sized ball. I can’t believe that these girls who practice hours every day didn’t notice the difference IMMEDIATELY.
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By the way, the pathetic story about a D-1 woman’s game allegedly being played with a man’s ball…. I’ve picked up a woman’s sized ball at the gym a few times and INSTANTANEOUSLY knew it wasn’t a regulation sized ball. I can’t believe that these girls who practice hours every day didn’t notice the difference IMMEDIATELY.
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The person making that claim is Kara Lawson, who is a very impressive person because of her intellect and knowledge of both the men's and women's game. She was one of the very first women to be used in analyzing men's basketball games, she has played BB in college, the WNBA and the Olympics. She has called NBA games. She is universally respected by almost everyone in sports and sports media for her integrity and truthfullness. She is crackajack smart and I suspect that you haven't thought of any angle on this issue that she hasn't considered.
I'm not certain, but it was my understanding that when the game started that the players immediately complained to their coaches that it was a men's ball. The game ball was different than the ball they used in warm-ups.
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unfortunately for the women they're competing for entertainment quality with the NBA and it's not even remotely close
the men in the NBA are almost Supermen and are capable of jaw dropping feats of athleticism
in my mind the WNBA is playing on a level roughly equal to men's small college basketball
it would be really interesting, and maybe quite profitable to see them play against a men's small college team
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The mens small college team would annihilate any pro woman’s team.
didn't know about the smaller ball - that does make a difference - the women would need time practice with the larger ball
you're entitled to your opinion but I don't think you appreciate how bad some small college mens teams are
many of the starters on many teams were not stars in h.s ball - they were starters but were not stars
some of those teams, not all of course, are really bad - for many, it's basically an ordinary h.s. team, except because they're older - they're physically stronger
and I think you may be underestimating how good those women are - which is very good - considering their sex
comparing small college ball - to major college ball -
every single player on the team in major college ball was a star in h.s. - and many of the starters would have been among the top 15 h.s. players in any large city
it would make a big difference as to how the refs called the game
if they let them play loose - not many calls - the men would have an advantage because they are stronger
but that would be their only advantage
you are correct that the WNBA Management would not allow such a game to happen -
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When I was in HS, most schools didn't have a girls BB team, and a lot of states played a game with six players on each side, three of who couldn't go over the half-court line. New Jersey played six-on-six, but only two players couldn't pass half-court.
All the teams wear identical uniforms except for their socks. You can check it out on youtube, but it is cringe-worthy.
Can you imagine a men’s basketball coach allowing a game to proceed after being informed the ball was not a college basketball?
I’ve played with a bunch of D1 womens players, and D3 mens players. The mens players were EXPONENTIALLY better. In our pick up game the D1 women players would be below average. (Meaning out of 10, 7th or 8th best).
Quote: SOOPOOMy point is that the cry baby coach only vociferously complained after her team lost to the other team which played with the exact same ball! To my knowledge there is no evidence of the COACH complaining to the refs DURING the first half.
Can you imagine a men’s basketball coach allowing a game to proceed after being informed the ball was not a college basketball?
I’ve played with a bunch of D1 womens players, and D3 mens players. The mens players were EXPONENTIALLY better. In our pick up game the D1 women players would be below average. (Meaning out of 10, 7th or 8th best).
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How many years ago was that? I think the gap is still huge but it is smaller than it was when we were in college. I had a friend in high school who dominated her girl's church league and could hold her own against most boys as a freshman. By senior year, we had all gotten taller and added muscle where she didn't. She got a scholarship to some New England school but damaged her knee and I don't think she ever played.
Quote: billryanI don't think a WNBA team would beat a top NYC High School team but that's because of size and strength differences.
a top NYC h.s. team would beat many small college teams and beat them badly____________guaranteed
I've seen some of the great Dematha teams of the past (Morgan Wooten is now gone - they're not the same now) play.
many small colleges against those teams - that would be a joke - they wouldn't have a prayer
off the subject of hoops -
I'm not a fan - I don't know their names - but I sometimes watch pro wrestling
to me, it's unbelievable the stuff the women can do now
growing up, I never would have dreamed that women could do stunts like that
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