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He can dunk with either hand while standing still, can palm the ball with just his thumb and pinkie, and can throw a full-court pass the way normal people throw a softball.
As odd as it sounds, very unlikely Edey has a good career in the league, the size becomes detrimental; was born 20 years two late. Nowadays if they can’t move their feet pretty well they can’t stay on the floor; they’re mercilessly targeted in pick and roll. And pretty much no one that size can move their feet well enough. Sit back too far and guys are just way too good of shooters and much more willing to shoot 3’s now, contest and they get blown by. Seems counter intuitive but guys that are that tall are defensive liabilities at the highest level.
the universal DH is in effect this season in the MLB meaning National League teams will also have a DH
it was there for the pandemic shortened 2020 season but now it is here to stay
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the universal DH is in effect this season in the MLB meaning National League teams will also have a DH
it was there for the pandemic shortened 2020 season but now it is here to stay
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But less interleague games. You'd think it would open it up for more.
Quote: billryanI have not looked at the schedules yet, but there are less inter-league games this year?
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As part of the 2022 CBA, interleague play was expanded from 20 to 46 games per team per season. Each team will play a four game home-and-home series against its natural rival and a single three game series against the other 14 interleague opponents, with the venue alternating every other year.
My bad.
Bradley is still alive, but severely disabled. There was a great story about him in Sports Illustrated (I think) recently about his recovery. It is incredibly sad, but worth reading.Quote: mcallister3200Shawn Bradley, who tragically passed after a cycling incident within the last year, was 7’6.
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/01/12/shawn-bradley-paralyzed-bike-accident-daily-cover
Quote: teddysBradley is still alive, but severely disabled. There was a great story about him in Sports Illustrated (I think) recently about his recovery. It is incredibly sad, but worth reading.Quote: mcallister3200Shawn Bradley, who tragically passed after a cycling incident within the last year, was 7’6.
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/01/12/shawn-bradley-paralyzed-bike-accident-daily-cover
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I also thought he had died recently, so I quess it is good news he is still alive. Such a tragedy.
I'm curious how the public takes to baseball betting.
Quote: billryanI'll have to look at it but my first impression is 25% of the schedule being inter-league seems high. As a Yankee fan, I want more Sawx and Blue Jay games and less Marlins, although I do understand fans in baseball deserts like SoCal and Tejas wanting to see the Yankees more often.
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Each team plays division opponents 14 times. This leaves playing the 10 conference opponents 6 times each.
here he is - the 7'9" no need to jump slam dunker - Abiodun Adegoke - from Nigeria but at last report he was playing in Dubai
they call him "Big Naija"
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my home team - what used to be the Redskins - looks like a disaster in the making
first, their new name - the "Commanders" - it sucks and everybody here hates it
then Carson Wentz coming in - the guy is a gigantic question mark
we have 3 excellent players in Chase Young, Terry McLaurin and Antonio Gibson
but I don't think it's going to be enough - it's going to get ugly
will I become a Ravens fan_____?______ - much of my family was from Baltimore - naaaaaaah - no way
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Quote: mcallister3200He didn’t have to jump but that was definitely a travel…two consecutive jump stops without putting the ball on the floor=4!!! steps.
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So many players travel now and they just don’t call it line they used to. James Harden comes to mind
this is really kind of comical
the Giants signed Kenny Golladay to a contract - consider he's had really only 2 good years in NFL out of 5 and those were 3 and 4 years ago
last year with the Giants he totaled 37 receptions for 521 yards and no TDs in 14 games
last year Kenny Golladay signed a 4 year, $72,000,000 contract with the New York Giants, including a $17,000,000 signing bonus, $40,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $18,000,000. In 2022, Golladay will earn a base salary of $13,000,000, a roster bonus of $4,500,000 and a workout bonus of $250,000,
a $72 million dollar receiver with zero TDs last year_______________(~:/
he may not be a great receiver but he's one helluva businessman___________________(~:/
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this is really kind of comical
the Giants signed Kenny Golladay to a contract - consider he's had really only 2 good years in NFL out of 5 and those were 3 and 4 years ago
last year with the Giants he totaled 37 receptions for 521 yards and no TDs in 14 games
last year Kenny Golladay signed a 4 year, $72,000,000 contract with the New York Giants, including a $17,000,000 signing bonus, $40,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $18,000,000. In 2022, Golladay will earn a base salary of $13,000,000, a roster bonus of $4,500,000 and a workout bonus of $250,000,
a $72 million dollar receiver with zero TDs last year_______________(~:/
he may not be a great receiver but he's one helluva businessman___________________(~:/
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Agree. Check out Zay Jones' contract. When I saw his name in the news I expected it was going to be something like, "Zay Jones cut...", not "signs 4 year 40 million dollar contract". Apparently the salary cap went up $25 million. You are now seeing what the stupid GM's are doing. The smart ones will wait until the stupid ones are done overspending.
the refs blew it and TCU lost to Arizona in OT on Sunday - and there is a very good chance that TCU would have won if not for the horrible no call
with the score tied at 75 and 7 seconds left in regulation TCU guard Mike Miles Jr. was bumped hard near midcourt causing him to fall down - there was no call
Arizona got the ball and the guy dunked but too late - the clock had gone off - but Arizona won in OT
really, really horrible stuff - the ref nearest the play who should have blown his whistle needs to be fired
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If you look at the position of the two ref's, they were behind the play and couldn't have made the call.
This will definitely being a play that is showed many times at clinics this summer.
Quote: billryanI don't see a foul there. I see a guy who mishandled the ball and allowed himself to be trapped by two opponents. I wouldn't blow a whistle for that. The ballhandler got himself into deep water, it's not the refs job to save him.
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you're dead wrong
if you blow up the vid, slow it down by stopping it and then starting it again and again until you exactly to the incident:
you will see that #4 on Arizona bumped #1 on TCU hard and knocked him down
the left hand and arm of #4 on Arizona hit #1 on TCU on his neck
you can see the exact moment of the foul right here in this screenshot I took
you can't guard a player like that in college ball at midcourt - not even in the NBA - maybe in the NBA you can get away with that in the low post
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I'm 100% right in saying I would not have blown the whistle on the play. The ball handler got himself into an untenable position and was about to go into the backcourt. Not my problem. Others can disagree.
Quote: billryanI'm not slowing the video down to examine it frame by frame because the refs are calling it in real-time.
I'm 100% right in saying I would not have blown the whistle on the play. The ball handler got himself into an untenable position and was about to go into the backcourt. Not my problem. Others can disagree.
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I haven't looked at the non call, but in general, i am 100% with Billy on these types of calls. A ball handler gets himself in trouble and seeks out whatever contact he can get to try and get himself out of trouble with a ref bailing him out. In the great majority of cases, no call is the correct call.
When playing sound defense, and an offensive player makes contact with me and then calls a foul on me, I often say, "What was my foul, 'existing'?"
My thought, as a ref, would be that the offensive player got himself in trouble and I'm not going to reward him and make him the hero by putting him on the line with no time left.
Could a foul have been called? Yes, but who wants to see a #1 seed knocked off on a ticky-tack play? I think making the call would have been a lot more controversial.
Another problem would've been a collision on the layup at thr other end.. No one was close to being in position to make that call.
It usually goes in 3 mistakes.
Coaches used to bring retired refs in so they could show the team where the refs are positioned and looking under different circumstances. Not every screen is set to obstruct a player.
Quote: billryanI did slow the video down and what I see in slo motion is his foot may have stepped on the half-court line at the same time the two players make contact.
My thought, as a ref, would be that the offensive player got himself in trouble and I'm not going to reward him and make him the hero by putting him on the line with no time left.
Could a foul have been called? Yes, but who wants to see a #1 seed knocked off on a ticky-tack play? I think making the call would have been a lot more controversial.
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That is too much info for an official to process in seconds. When the ballhandler moved away he should have been thinking about becoming the lead official in the event of a turnover. Thus he would be positioned at or close to half court. Instead he was lackadaisical. Clearly, they didn't anticipate the ballhandler reversing course.
Quote: billryanSmart players know where the refs are, and what they can get away with.
Coaches used to bring retired refs in so they could show the team where the refs are positioned and looking under different circumstances. Not every screen is set to obstruct a player.
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It's all about angles. Much easier in today's game with 3 officials as opposed to when there were just 2 officials.
Also, coaches will attend officials clinics in the summer to see what kind of changes are forthcoming.
For instance, one year it was decided to reduce the "and 1." So officials were trained to see if the ball goes in before making or not making a call.
I don’t understand the viewpoint of what seed they are or what point the game is at is supposed to decide what is or is not a foul.
Quote: mcallister3200That’s either backcourt or a foul. It would be one thing if the defender had established position there and the ball handler just collided ran into him, that’s offensive. That is not what happened…he did not beat him to the spot and instead went into him with a knee because he was unable to cut him off first.
I don’t understand the viewpoint of what seed they are or what point the game is at is supposed to decide what is or is not a foul.
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Yeah, because a foul is a foul, no matter when it happens. Same thing with a traveling violation.
I think the backcourt violation happened before the contact, but I don't see either being called under those conditions.
Quote: billryanQuote: mcallister3200That’s either backcourt or a foul. It would be one thing if the defender had established position there and the ball handler just collided ran into him, that’s offensive. That is not what happened…he did not beat him to the spot and instead went into him with a knee because he was unable to cut him off first.
I don’t understand the viewpoint of what seed they are or what point the game is at is supposed to decide what is or is not a foul.
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Yeah, because a foul is a foul, no matter when it happens. Same thing with a traveling violation.
I think the backcourt violation happened before the contact, but I don't see either being called under those conditions.
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Sadly, I think a travelling call can happen on almost every layup today. People seem to forget it is one step and a jump as almost everyone now takes two steps and a jump.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: mcallister3200That’s either backcourt or a foul. It would be one thing if the defender had established position there and the ball handler just collided ran into him, that’s offensive. That is not what happened…he did not beat him to the spot and instead went into him with a knee because he was unable to cut him off first.
I don’t understand the viewpoint of what seed they are or what point the game is at is supposed to decide what is or is not a foul.
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Yeah, because a foul is a foul, no matter when it happens. Same thing with a traveling violation.
I think the backcourt violation happened before the contact, but I don't see either being called under those conditions.
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Sadly, I think a travelling call can happen on almost every layup today. People seem to forget it is one step and a jump as almost everyone now takes two steps and a jump.
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It’s one step before you start dribbling, two steps after picking it up. What you see, at least in the pros, is not counting any of the steps while they are “gathering” it, making it look like they’re often taking 4+.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: mcallister3200That’s either backcourt or a foul. It would be one thing if the defender had established position there and the ball handler just collided ran into him, that’s offensive. That is not what happened…he did not beat him to the spot and instead went into him with a knee because he was unable to cut him off first.
I don’t understand the viewpoint of what seed they are or what point the game is at is supposed to decide what is or is not a foul.
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Yeah, because a foul is a foul, no matter when it happens. Same thing with a traveling violation.
I think the backcourt violation happened before the contact, but I don't see either being called under those conditions.
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Sadly, I think a travelling call can happen on almost every layup today. People seem to forget it is one step and a jump as almost everyone now takes two steps and a jump.
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Or three steps, a shuffle and jump. We were taught one step and jump on a layup. I don't think that is the case anymore.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: mcallister3200That’s either backcourt or a foul. It would be one thing if the defender had established position there and the ball handler just collided ran into him, that’s offensive. That is not what happened…he did not beat him to the spot and instead went into him with a knee because he was unable to cut him off first.
I don’t understand the viewpoint of what seed they are or what point the game is at is supposed to decide what is or is not a foul.
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Yeah, because a foul is a foul, no matter when it happens. Same thing with a traveling violation.
I think the backcourt violation happened before the contact, but I don't see either being called under those conditions.
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Sadly, I think a travelling call can happen on almost every layup today. People seem to forget it is one step and a jump as almost everyone now takes two steps and a jump.
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It’s one step before you start dribbling, two steps after picking it up. What you see, at least in the pros, is not counting any of the steps while they are “gathering” it, making it look like they’re often taking 4+.
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Good explanation. Key is determination of gathering. Then there is the Euro Step.
Quote: HunterhillThey also don’t call carrying the ball when players are dribbling.
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Palming is a thing of the past. Drives traditionalists nuts.
Quote: HunterhillThey also don’t call carrying the ball when players are dribbling.
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Palming is a thing of the past. Drives traditionalists nuts.
Remove the charge or change definition of offensive fouls while they’re at it. There’s still offensive fouls for lowering shoulder, hooking, illegal screens etc (the moving screen hasn’t been enforced by the rule book in at least 30 years since Karl Malone came around either.) But guys intentionally trying to take charges just creates unnecessarily dangerous situations, leads to more injuries and flopping/deceit, and isn’t good for entertainment purposes either.
Quote: mcallister3200They should remove it from the rule book then.
Remove the charge or change definition of offensive fouls while they’re at it. There’s still offensive fouls for lowering shoulder, hooking, illegal screens etc (the moving screen hasn’t been enforced by the rule book in at least 30 years since Karl Malone came around either.) But guys intentionally trying to take charges just creates unnecessarily dangerous situations, leads to more injuries and flopping/deceit, and isn’t good for entertainment purposes either.
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Agreed. The flop is the worst play in basketball. But a charge is one of the best plays in basketball. If a player entitled to his spot is kept in mind. The idea of a 3rd official was to minimize missing certain calls like a moving screen. Only one set of eyes should be on the ball most of the time.
Quote: mosesQuote: mcallister3200They should remove it from the rule book then.
Remove the charge or change definition of offensive fouls while they’re at it. There’s still offensive fouls for lowering shoulder, hooking, illegal screens etc (the moving screen hasn’t been enforced by the rule book in at least 30 years since Karl Malone came around either.) But guys intentionally trying to take charges just creates unnecessarily dangerous situations, leads to more injuries and flopping/deceit, and isn’t good for entertainment purposes either.
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Agreed. The flop is the worst play in basketball. But a charge is one of the best plays in basketball. If a player entitled to his spot is kept in mind. The idea of a 3rd official was to minimize missing certain calls like a moving screen. Only one set of eyes should be on the ball most of the time.
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Refs definitely LOVE to call charges. I just think it's unnecessary, dangerous at times, and doesn't add anything. They already have the principle of verticality to challenge the shot or can call the o foul for lowering the shoulder so I don't see what it's adding.
On fast break it becomes the ballhandlers decision. He can dish or pull up for a jumper or set up the offense..
Without it the game would get out of control.
But to make correct call the official looks at the defender to determine if he has established position. Most eyes are on the player with the ball...completely different perspective and the wrong one.
Some of these young guards are way out of control going to the hoop. They have set the parameters outside a circle in the paint to help avoid major collisions.
if very rough contact like that came to be considered not a foul in college ball that would completely change the game
it's ridiculous to look at that play and say there was no foul
Moses is a professional referee and he knows it was a foul - not that you need a pro referee to see what is so very obvious
anybody saying that's not a foul just doesn't know basketball - it's clear cut - it's not a matter of opinion
Arizona has bad karma now - they know they got something they didn't deserve - it's on their minds - they won't win it all - guaranteed
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if very rough contact like that came to be considered not a foul in college ball that would completely change the game
it's ridiculous to look at that play and say there was no foul
Moses is a professional referee and he knows it was a foul - not that you need a pro referee to see what is so very obvious
anybody saying that's not a foul just doesn't know basketball - it's clear cut - it's not a matter of opinion
Arizona has bad karma now - they know they got something they didn't deserve - it's on their minds - they won't win it all - guaranteed
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I did some CBA games in the 80's and college up until 2016. But never got one of those pro contracts.
You both make strong points. Backcourt woould've been my call.
There was a Tennessee game in the sweet 16 a few years ago where a friend of mine made a call that altered the outcome of the game. I would've went the other way. But he was correct according to the new rule. At first, he was boiled by the announcers. But later praised for making a good call.
I attended school in Rochester in the late 70s/early 80s and attended a few CBA games. Those were some high-scoring games, as I remember them. Almost no defense.
The Rochester team changed names seemingly every year. One year they were owned by an electronic store owner who called them the Zeniths after his most popular tv model. They played in a dump called the Dome that had a concrete floor. They had a green carpet that had the lines for a basketball court on it, and they would roll it out before games. Dribbling on carpet was an experience
If the team won, and scored 130 points, all the fans at the game got two free slices of pizza from a local chain. Sometimes, the fans were in the dozens but a few times they drew a few hundred. After one game, my friend and I hit all 12 of the locations and scoffed down 24 slices each.
In my senior year, the team was bought by Art Stock, who was a legendary nightclub owner from the East Coast. For some reason, he decided to coach the team himself, and he bought in a cheerleading squad made up of waitress's from his nightclub in Atlantic City.
He'd fly in on his private jet with his cheerleading squad. He was quite the showman but even he couldn't draw flies.
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Don't be surprised if the Big Ten tournament champion Iowa Hawkeyes loses their first round game to the Richmond Spiders.
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I just want to call attention to this post, above. In an upset that confounded the ESPN talking heads, the Richmond Spiders did indeed beat the Iowa Hawkeyes. Just as DRich predicted. Because DRich had posted this I included this upset in some of my ESPN brackets. Sadly, Richmond's upset win was the solitary bright spot on my brackets, which all went down the crapper.
