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Quote: billryanThe Madison Square Garden security was able to handle 6-9 Charles Oakley pretty well when the Knicks owner had him removed.
I'm not sure comparing arena security guards to the ones involved with team security is very accurate.
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Your right. At the same time, it’s not the 80’s or 90’s anymore and they ganged up on him. He’s still big but Oakley is otherwise pretty much just an old man now. I might be willing to tell him so, but I’d immediately duck and run if I did.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: billryanThe Madison Square Garden security was able to handle 6-9 Charles Oakley pretty well when the Knicks owner had him removed.
I'm not sure comparing arena security guards to the ones involved with team security is very accurate.
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Your right. At the same time, it’s not the 80’s or 90’s anymore. He’s still big but Oakley is otherwise pretty much just an old man now. I might be willing to tell him so, but I’d immediately duck and run if I did.
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Oakley was around 55 at the time of the incident and it looks like he could still whoop some ass if he wanted to.
Quote: mcallister3200Anyone who’s not in their 20’s anymore feels old sometimes and their body performs like it. A hard truth. People can lift to maintain strength but that quick twitch explosion that generates force quickly goes and isn’t coming back. Obviously there’s levels to it but anyone over 40-50 is older than average and well past peak physically. They ganged up on him too not like it was man vs man.
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I have felt old since about the age of 15. Today at 55 I am guessing I feel like a typical 75 year old.
the evolution of players abilities in sports is quite amazing - I haven't looked at track and field records though
mainly I'm thinking about basketball
the players today are so much more physically gifted than the players from back in the day
the best of them jump higher, are quicker, are faster and are stronger - it's not a small difference - it's a big difference
some of that can be explained by better equipment for working out and nutrition - but not all of it
for example - Bob Cousy began his NBA career in 1950 and ended it in 1963 - he was considered one of the greatest players out there
I've watched films of Bob Cousy and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that by 1968 there were a great many high school players - guards - who could wipe the floor with Bob Cousy - if they played against him when he was in his prime - I'm not trying to knock the guy or beat up on him - just realistically - they were much quicker than him - and could jump way, way higher
and it didn't have anything to do with working out with weights or nutrition - I believe it was due to the natural evolution and improvement of the human body over time
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Today's league is much more athletic as a whole, but I still think Wilt is the best athlete in NBA history.
Quote: billryanIndividuals have improved their bodies, kids get much better coaching, they get better nutrition
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the great high school players I saw from around 1968 and 1969 didn't get great because of nutrition or from improving their bodies from working out
a lot of them did get better coaching - but almost all of them were schooled on the playgrounds - that's where they developed their skills
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: billryanIndividuals have improved their bodies, kids get much better coaching, they get better nutrition
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the great high school players I saw from around 1968 and 1969 didn't get great because of nutrition or from improving their bodies from working out
a lot of them did get better coaching - but almost all of them were schooled on the playgrounds - that's where they developed their skills
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That is the difference between today's players and those from thirty-forty years ago. The old players learned on playgrounds while today's kids have played on coached teams their whole lives. It's like comparing a street brawler to a trained fighter.
Lots of stiffs in previous decades because of the emphasis on height whereas now being tall is a plus, but if they can’t move their feet they can’t get on the court. The stiffs being replaced with skilled players raises the overall average level of player. Rim protection is the one place that has gotten worse because of it, you don’t see as many guys meeting guys in the air to challenge them anymore like Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson. Sort of a golden era of great rim protecting bigs in the late 80’s, early 90’s with lessor overall players like Mark Eaton, Manute Bol being great rim protectors as well.
Quote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200Anyone who’s not in their 20’s anymore feels old sometimes and their body performs like it. A hard truth. People can lift to maintain strength but that quick twitch explosion that generates force quickly goes and isn’t coming back. Obviously there’s levels to it but anyone over 40-50 is older than average and well past peak physically. They ganged up on him too not like it was man vs man.
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I have felt old since about the age of 15. Today at 55 I am guessing I feel like a typical 75 year old.
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You sound just like me. People get angry when I say I have just 20 years left.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200Anyone who’s not in their 20’s anymore feels old sometimes and their body performs like it. A hard truth. People can lift to maintain strength but that quick twitch explosion that generates force quickly goes and isn’t coming back. Obviously there’s levels to it but anyone over 40-50 is older than average and well past peak physically. They ganged up on him too not like it was man vs man.
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I have felt old since about the age of 15. Today at 55 I am guessing I feel like a typical 75 year old.
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You sound just like me. People get angry when I say I have just 20 years left.
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There is a slight difference. I am not sure that I have 20 months left let alone years. My blood pressure has been stupid lately. When I went to the doctors office it was 259/149. That number scared me.
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200Anyone who’s not in their 20’s anymore feels old sometimes and their body performs like it. A hard truth. People can lift to maintain strength but that quick twitch explosion that generates force quickly goes and isn’t coming back. Obviously there’s levels to it but anyone over 40-50 is older than average and well past peak physically. They ganged up on him too not like it was man vs man.
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I have felt old since about the age of 15. Today at 55 I am guessing I feel like a typical 75 year old.
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You sound just like me. People get angry when I say I have just 20 years left.
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There is a slight difference. I am not sure that I have 20 months left let alone years. My blood pressure has been stupid lately. When I went to the doctors office it was 259/149. That number scared me.
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I assume with diastolic of 149 they sent you straight to ER? Not that a systolic over 250 isn’t enough to warrant the trip. You seem to have had hypertension for quite a while. I assume one of your doctors made sure you didn’t have a (totally treatable!) pheochromocytoma? I’ve been involved with some over the course of my career. Very complicated surgery/anesthesia but can be 100% curative.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200Anyone who’s not in their 20’s anymore feels old sometimes and their body performs like it. A hard truth. People can lift to maintain strength but that quick twitch explosion that generates force quickly goes and isn’t coming back. Obviously there’s levels to it but anyone over 40-50 is older than average and well past peak physically. They ganged up on him too not like it was man vs man.
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I have felt old since about the age of 15. Today at 55 I am guessing I feel like a typical 75 year old.
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You sound just like me. People get angry when I say I have just 20 years left.
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There is a slight difference. I am not sure that I have 20 months left let alone years. My blood pressure has been stupid lately. When I went to the doctors office it was 259/149. That number scared me.
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I assume with diastolic of 149 they sent you straight to ER? Not that a systolic over 250 isn’t enough to warrant the trip. You seem to have had hypertension for quite a while. I assume one of your doctors made sure you didn’t have a (totally treatable!) pheochromocytoma? I’ve been involved with some over the course of my career. Very complicated surgery/anesthesia but can be 100% curative.
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Yes, straight to the ER. The doctor told me that most likely I will be having a stroke in the next 30 minutes or so. My BP has always been real high but my Systolic had never been over 230 that I am aware of.
I always assume that I have quite a bit of medical knowledge just from being in hospitals so much with my 25 surgeries. I am not familiar with pheochromocytoma so i will have to Google that now.
Quote: billryanbut I still think Wilt is the best athlete in NBA history.
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I would never dispute the greatness of Wilt
but just want to point out that he had only 3 great centers to matchup against - Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond and of course Jabbar
the rest of the post men in the league were basically some junk
he definitely would have had a lot of trouble with Shaq
straight up from a standup position in the lane he could matchup well with anybody
but power forwards like Lebron and Kobe flying into the lane - he couldn't have handled that at all
but again, even so - you have to judge players on their own competition - you can't compare them to other eras - not well anyway
so yes, he was the greatest ever - and probably by far
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Did Shaq run track in college? Was he a high jumper? A shot-putter? A sprinter? Wilt was and was an elite performer.
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it must have been really humiliating for players back in the day trying to deal with him:
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. when Jabbar first showed his sky hook (he didn't do that in college) the word was out:
nobody will ever block his sky hook_______________𝙒𝙍𝙊𝙉𝙂
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Any idea's how to get the info? It was very nice not to have to drive to the 3 casinos to get the best price.
Quote: mosesQuestion: Vegasinsider odds changed their format recently. They used to list the odds for Reno. But now do not.
Any idea's how to get the info? It was very nice not to have to drive to the 3 casinos to get the best price.
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Back in the day I used to subscribe to Don Best service. I am pretty sure they had Reno numbers.
Quote: mosesQuestion: Vegasinsider odds changed their format recently. They used to list the odds for Reno. But now do not.
Any idea's how to get the info? It was very nice not to have to drive to the 3 casinos to get the best price.
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Get the mobile apps for the books you want and look at them there. Will be more accurate time wise than vegasinsider ever was.
Quote: SOOPOOBernhard Langer just came in 2nd this week in the Senior Tour event. He won the week before. He is 64 years old. Competing with and whupping the 50 year olds. I wish I could figure out a way to compare this to other amazing sports feats. I think I will bet on him to make the cut at Augusta this year if I can find it on one of my sportsbooks offerings.
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He has been surprising me the last five years. Just when I think he is getting too old, he continues to impress. I wonder if he is on the TB12 diet regimen.
The senior tour was in Naples last week,
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200Anyone who’s not in their 20’s anymore feels old sometimes and their body performs like it. A hard truth. People can lift to maintain strength but that quick twitch explosion that generates force quickly goes and isn’t coming back. Obviously there’s levels to it but anyone over 40-50 is older than average and well past peak physically. They ganged up on him too not like it was man vs man.
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I have felt old since about the age of 15. Today at 55 I am guessing I feel like a typical 75 year old.
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You sound just like me. People get angry when I say I have just 20 years left.
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There is a slight difference. I am not sure that I have 20 months left let alone years. My blood pressure has been stupid lately. When I went to the doctors office it was 259/149. That number scared me.
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OUCH! Do take care of yourself. I know I feel in bad shape but that is way bad. I am on BP pills for life but I was not that bad,
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200Anyone who’s not in their 20’s anymore feels old sometimes and their body performs like it. A hard truth. People can lift to maintain strength but that quick twitch explosion that generates force quickly goes and isn’t coming back. Obviously there’s levels to it but anyone over 40-50 is older than average and well past peak physically. They ganged up on him too not like it was man vs man.
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I have felt old since about the age of 15. Today at 55 I am guessing I feel like a typical 75 year old.
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You sound just like me. People get angry when I say I have just 20 years left.
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There is a slight difference. I am not sure that I have 20 months left let alone years. My blood pressure has been stupid lately. When I went to the doctors office it was 259/149. That number scared me.
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OUCH! Do take care of yourself. I know I feel in bad shape but that is way bad. I am on BP pills for life but I was not that bad,
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Thankfully they have me on some different BP meds now and my BP is rather normal. It has been 20 years since my BP has been lower than 180/100 regularly.
Their crime- they disrupted the competitive balance of the league by occasionally using a charter plane while their opponents fly commercial. There were a number of times when the Liberty played in one city and there were no direct flights to the next scheduled game, so rather than fly somewhere else to change to a flight to the game, they chartered planes to go direct. As their opponents were too cheap to do the same thing, the league feels the Liberty took unfair advantage of the fact their owners are willing to spend money to take care of their players.
Quote: billryanThe WNBA just fined the NY Liberty half a million dollars and threatened to suspend their franchise.
Their crime- they disrupted the competitive balance of the league by occasionally using a charter plane while their opponents fly commercial. There were a number of times when the Liberty played in one city and there were no direct flights to the next scheduled game, so rather than fly somewhere else to change to a flight to the game, they chartered planes to go direct. As their opponents were too cheap to do the same thing, the league feels the Liberty took unfair advantage of the fact their owners are willing to spend money to take care of their players.
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That sounds ridiculous to me.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanThe WNBA just fined the NY Liberty half a million dollars and threatened to suspend their franchise.
Their crime- they disrupted the competitive balance of the league by occasionally using a charter plane while their opponents fly commercial. There were a number of times when the Liberty played in one city and there were no direct flights to the next scheduled game, so rather than fly somewhere else to change to a flight to the game, they chartered planes to go direct. As their opponents were too cheap to do the same thing, the league feels the Liberty took unfair advantage of the fact their owners are willing to spend money to take care of their players.
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That sounds ridiculous to me.
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The whole WNBA is kind of ridiculous.
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The whole WNBA is kind of ridiculous.
I can make a pretty good guess as to why you would make a comment like that
they're great athletes and great basketball players
what is ridiculous or worse than ridiculous is your comment
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The whole WNBA is kind of ridiculous.
I can make a pretty good guess as to why you would make a comment like that
they're great athletes and great basketball players
what is ridiculous or worse than ridiculous is your comment
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The whole WNBA is kind of ridiculous.
I can make a pretty good guess as to why you would make a comment like that
they're great athletes and great basketball players
what is ridiculous or worse than ridiculous is your comment
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As a business it is probably ridiculous. I know it is heavily subsidized but I have no idea about their actual financials.
During last year's playoffs, the Chicago team headed to the airport after winning a play-in game to set up a game in Connecticut the next night. They ended up getting split up over different airlines and flights, with some players getting out at 3:30 AM.
I've never seen a WNBA game. It just doesn't interest me.
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: AZDuffman
The whole WNBA is kind of ridiculous.
I can make a pretty good guess as to why you would make a comment like that
they're great athletes and great basketball players
what is ridiculous or worse than ridiculous is your comment
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The fan base is very thin. It does not make money still after how many years?
And reports that it is a very hostile work environment for straight women.
Quote: Jimmy2TimesI was thinking about Pistol Pete for some reason today so I went back and looked at some YouTube footage of him. One video said that Dale Brown went back and charted all of the Pistol's shots from the college season where he averaged 44 ppg. If there was a 3-point line Brown estimated that Pistol would have averaged 57 ppg for that season. I got to see Pistol Pete play in a few NBA games back in the day, back in the day.
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1970 was an incredible year for basketball. Pistol Pete was drafted #3 in the draft, and the first four players drafted made the Hall of Fame, as did Nate Archibald and Dan Issel.
I only have vague memories of Pete in college as I was in Japan much of the time, but I do remember every kid in Queens wanted to be Pistol Pete. I never understood why he didn't go to the ABA where they had the 3 point shoot.
Quote: billryanas did Nate Archibald
Nate Archibald was by far the quickest player I ever saw - he faked guys out so bad - they would end up being completely behind him
he is one of very few players from back in the day that I believe could match up well with today's players
I haven't seen anybody out there today who I can say is as quick as he was - although I admit I haven't watched a tremendous amount of today's NBA
nonetheless, I don't believe anybody out there today could handle him - not from what I've seen
he was a truly great little man
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As the defending ABA champions, with both Dr. J and Nate Archibald, they had to have been considered one of the favorites to win it all in the new league. a few days before the start of the season, they shock the world by selling Dr, J to the 76ers. Let me repeat this- the Nets sold the most popular player on the planet. They didn't trade him and get back any talent. They sold him and got no one in return. Then Archibald blows out his knee and a ridiculously under-staffed Nets team goes on to lose sixty games.
Another former ABA team, the Denver Nuggets ends up dominating the league, easily winning their division before flaring out in the playoffs..
She plays for a Russian team in the WNBA offseason. Her lawyers didn’t specify if she’s still currently in jail but it sounds like it. Doesn’t sound like a great spot to be in given the current political diplomatic situation.
this wins my vote and a lot of other people's votes for he greatest round of boxing of all time
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Don't be surprised if the Big Ten tournament champion Iowa Hawkeyes loses their first round game to the Richmond Spiders.
Quote: DRichSoopoo, I see there is NCAA tournament basketball in Buffalo this week. Will you go to any of the games?
Don't be surprised if the Big Ten tournament champion Iowa Hawkeyes loses their first round game to the Richmond Spiders.
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I’ve gone before when it’s been in Buffalo. I have to say these neutral site games leave a lot to be desired. The crowds are nothing like a regular home game when the entire crowd is made up of fans of one or the two competing teams. For these first round games, there will be around 2000 crazies for one team, 2000 for the other, and 14000 that are there because they like college basketball. Less ‘life’ in the crowd than you’d expect.
For the past 25 or so years we have a group that gets together at a bar at noon on Thursday, we take around 6 tables, and have 4 TVs all on different games. This goes on until midnight on both Thursday and Friday. I would go after work both days. The other guys would bring their boys from a pretty early age. My wife and I never considered taking our boys out of school for this! My younger son joined us a few times after school.
Fast forward to this year…. 3 of the regular guys have FOUR of their sons as college BBall coaches! One is top assistant for the San Francisco Dons, so this friend will be trekking to Indianapolis for that game. Two of the other kids are coaches at Stanford. They missed the tourney this year. The fourth is a head coach at at D 3 school. These kids were 4 of the regulars who would be at the bar.
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Fast forward to this year…. 3 of the regular guys have FOUR of their sons as college BBall coaches! One is top assistant for the San Francisco Dons, so this friend will be trekking to Indianapolis for that game. Two of the other kids are coaches at Stanford. They missed the tourney this year. The fourth is a head coach at at D 3 school. These kids were 4 of the regulars who would be at the bar.
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Didn't the Dons just fire their coach yesterday? I used to take that Thursday off work and meet a group at the bar and watch all day. I miss doing that.
Rucker Park playground legend Earl "The Goat" Manigault was probably one of the greatest players ever from NYC but did not play college or pro ball due to personal problems
when Jabbar retired he was asked who was the greatest player he ever played with or against - his answer - Manigault
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pretty strange stuff - I was watching TV and up popped a commercial for the gambling site underdogfantasy.com
they used a photo of Alvin Kamara - just his face - not playing in a game - with his name underneath the photo as part of their advertisement
I don't think NFL players are allowed to accept money from gambling enterprises
which means that the site used his image without paying him - or Kamara accepted money from them
what's even stranger is that Kamara was arrested for assault on Feb. 14 and will have a hearing on April 25
it's hard to believe that any company, even a gambling company, would use an image of a player for advertising when that player has recently been arrested for assault
to me, it's all very strange indeed
Edit - I tried to find the image of Kamara on their website but had no luck - but it was definitely there in the TV ad
2nd edit - I did some more searching online and found this from ispot.tv - a site that I believe exists to show reruns of tv commercials (I think) - I linked the site where I found this ad and also took this screenshot from their ad
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https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OURG/underdog-fantasy-easiest-way-to-play
3rd Edit - from the NFL's 2018 Gambling Policy Document
rule #8 -
"NFL personnel are prohibited from using or allowing others to use one's name or image to promote, advertise or publicize gambling related enterprises"
https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018%20Policies/2018%20Gambling%20Policy%20-%20FINAL.pdf
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the Georgetown Hoyas lost their last 21 games under Coach Patrick Ewing
and the latest is the AD says they're sticking with Ewing
they love Ewing at Georgetown
without him and Thompson Georgetown would have remained hoops nobodies
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One year left on his contract….tough spot, they either extend him coming off this or guarantee an awful recruiting class next year since he’d be recruiting kids that would be coming in after his current contract is up.
a book came in 2015 that I just became aware of to honor one of basketball's and one of DC's own greats who has been somewhat overlooked for various reasons
the teams he was on never won a championship, and his fabulous scoring figures were eclipsed by Wilt
he had the record for most points ever in an NBA game - 71 - until Wilt broke the record
Baylor averaged 38 per game in one year
he still holds the record for most points in an NBA finals game - 61 - a record that still stands after 60 years have passed
that game was against the Celtics who had a fabulous defense that included Bill Russell - he absolutely posterized any defender in his way
I really don't have words that could describe how great he was in his prime - there are some YT vids
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wow!!!!______________the center for Purdue, Zach Edey is 7'4" - the tallest player ever in the Big 10 - I hadn't been following CBB closely and didn't know this
I think Manute Bol was the tallest hoopster ever at 7'6"
he looks like a giant in this pic
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