EvenBob
September 17th, 2022 at 7:36:54 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYes, please explain.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfCan you explain the difference between a betting-system and a method.
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Must I?
I thought I just needed to watch for people trying to profit by selling their scheme, rather than applying it.
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I don't know why it matters if someone is selling it or trying to monetize it in some way. I thought this site, WOO, and The Wizard was dedicated to debunking betting Systems and voodoo, not just the ones and the people trying to sell or monetize such things.
As Bob said, there are others doing this as well, so at some point, someone will try to sell or monetize this type of nonsense. Debunk it, prove it, or label it.
Edit to add: I realize it's not on you personally to Debunk it, prove it, or label it. But you seem to have taken the library of claiming it's not a betting system.
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Rule 10 states that betting systems discussions must be within the betting systems sty. Here we are.
Rule 10 says that betting systems may not be offered for sale on this site. I have seen no offers of sale.
If someone believes the outcomes are predictable, I wish them all the success they deserve.
Best of luck!
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 17th, 2022 at 10:01:41 PM
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That does seem to be EB’s belief, even though he agrees the results are random which by definition means they are not predictable. Maybe his method is a practical example that true randomness is impossible. Maybe he has discovered a general flaw in PRNG algorithms. Maybe he is lucky beyond reasonable expectation.Quote: Dieter… If someone believes the outcomes are predictable …
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[Edit: On review, I note EB plays only physical games with a live dealer, so my PRNG speculation above is moot.]
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September 17th, 2022 at 10:22:16 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfYes, please explain.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfCan you explain the difference between a betting-system and a method.
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Must I?
I thought I just needed to watch for people trying to profit by selling their scheme, rather than applying it.
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I don't know why it matters if someone is selling it or trying to monetize it in some way. I thought this site, WOO, and The Wizard was dedicated to debunking betting Systems and voodoo, not just the ones and the people trying to sell or monetize such things.
As Bob said, there are others doing this as well, so at some point, someone will try to sell or monetize this type of nonsense. Debunk it, prove it, or label it.
Edit to add: I realize it's not on you personally to Debunk it, prove it, or label it. But you seem to have taken the library of claiming it's not a betting system.
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Rule 10 states that betting systems discussions must be within the betting systems sty. Here we are.
Rule 10 says that betting systems may not be offered for sale on this site. I have seen no offers of sale.
If someone believes the outcomes are predictable, I wish them all the success they deserve.
Best of luck!
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Just to add to what Dieter has said:
1. EB has not described his methodology in any level of detail such that it enables other people to copy him.
2. If someone in the future were to try to monetize a "hunch" method of playing roulette on this site by offering it for sale on this site, the future WOV moderators would certainly take action against them. But a notional future such as that would have no causality connection to this post of EB's which is reminiscing about what he has done in his roulette gambling career (whilst providing no actionable details.)
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 17th, 2022 at 10:35:19 PM
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Oh are we in the betting systems section? If so, my bad. I assumed that section didn't show up in recent threads. 95% of the threads I read or participate in are under recent threads.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfYes, please explain.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfCan you explain the difference between a betting-system and a method.
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Must I?
I thought I just needed to watch for people trying to profit by selling their scheme, rather than applying it.
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I don't know why it matters if someone is selling it or trying to monetize it in some way. I thought this site, WOO, and The Wizard was dedicated to debunking betting Systems and voodoo, not just the ones and the people trying to sell or monetize such things.
As Bob said, there are others doing this as well, so at some point, someone will try to sell or monetize this type of nonsense. Debunk it, prove it, or label it.
Edit to add: I realize it's not on you personally to Debunk it, prove it, or label it. But you seem to have taken the library of claiming it's not a betting system.
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Rule 10 states that betting systems discussions must be within the betting systems sty. Here we are.
Rule 10 says that betting systems may not be offered for sale on this site. I have seen no offers of sale.
If someone believes the outcomes are predictable, I wish them all the success they deserve.
Best of luck!
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 2:52:52 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfOh are we in the betting systems section? If so, my bad. I assumed that section didn't show up in recent threads. 95% of the threads I read or participate in are under recent threads.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfYes, please explain.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfCan you explain the difference between a betting-system and a method.
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Must I?
I thought I just needed to watch for people trying to profit by selling their scheme, rather than applying it.
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I don't know why it matters if someone is selling it or trying to monetize it in some way. I thought this site, WOO, and The Wizard was dedicated to debunking betting Systems and voodoo, not just the ones and the people trying to sell or monetize such things.
As Bob said, there are others doing this as well, so at some point, someone will try to sell or monetize this type of nonsense. Debunk it, prove it, or label it.
Edit to add: I realize it's not on you personally to Debunk it, prove it, or label it. But you seem to have taken the library of claiming it's not a betting system.
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Rule 10 states that betting systems discussions must be within the betting systems sty. Here we are.
Rule 10 says that betting systems may not be offered for sale on this site. I have seen no offers of sale.
If someone believes the outcomes are predictable, I wish them all the success they deserve.
Best of luck!
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Apparently I missed something and flubbed the thread title when I fixed it.
Curse my fat fingers and these tiny keys.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 18th, 2022 at 4:38:23 AM
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If someone believes the outcomes are predictable, I wish them all the success they deserve.
Best of luck!
I agree 100%
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 18th, 2022 at 5:32:43 AM
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I believe Axel and DarkOz's claims about winning long term
I'm sure there are a few blackjack APs who've posted here who have won long term
I don't think they've claimed to be but I would guess Mission and the Wizard to be long term winners - because their posts are so very accurate and insightful
there may be a few other who have used promos and bonuses on machines
other than that I don't believe any of those here who have claimed long term winnings
EB has stated a few times that with his betting on trends method "you can only lose once:"
how ridiculous - if a person - EB or anyone else loses a trend bet - what reason is there that he can't lose the next trend bet - or 3, 4, 5 trend bets in a row
I'll answer my own question - there is absolutely no reason that he or anyone else can't lose 5 or more trend bets in a row
I'm not sure why EB is making these claims - I've never before seen anyone claim that they win every session
but many here are as EB stated originally are "piling on"
for what purpose________?
this topic imho is completely dead
there is no reason for futher commentary
it's unfortunate that the Mods have kept this thread open for so long - the only reason I can think of is the no. of clicks
this thread should be closed________________nuff said
if MDawg cannot provide a logical reason that he crushes the casino at bacc almost every single time - and that if he happens to occasionally lose once in a blue moon but always quickly wins his losses back - then - his thread should be closed too
if those posting threads like these are not required to post a logical explanation - then the forum itself as a whole - suffers
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I believe Axel and DarkOz's claims about winning long term
I'm sure there are a few blackjack APs who've posted here who have won long term
I don't think they've claimed to be but I would guess Mission and the Wizard to be long term winners - because their posts are so very accurate and insightful
there may be a few other who have used promos and bonuses on machines
other than that I don't believe any of those here who have claimed long term winnings
EB has stated a few times that with his betting on trends method "you can only lose once:"
how ridiculous - if a person - EB or anyone else loses a trend bet - what reason is there that he can't lose the next trend bet - or 3, 4, 5 trend bets in a row
I'll answer my own question - there is absolutely no reason that he or anyone else can't lose 5 or more trend bets in a row
I'm not sure why EB is making these claims - I've never before seen anyone claim that they win every session
but many here are as EB stated originally are "piling on"
for what purpose________?
this topic imho is completely dead
there is no reason for futher commentary
it's unfortunate that the Mods have kept this thread open for so long - the only reason I can think of is the no. of clicks
this thread should be closed________________nuff said
if MDawg cannot provide a logical reason that he crushes the casino at bacc almost every single time - and that if he happens to occasionally lose once in a blue moon but always quickly wins his losses back - then - his thread should be closed too
if those posting threads like these are not required to post a logical explanation - then the forum itself as a whole - suffers
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Please don't feed the trolls
September 18th, 2022 at 10:31:40 AM
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What's not so much unfortunate but more just a waste of time is anyone trying to direct others as to what they should or should not be allowed to read.
Like trying to tell a teenage daughter to stay away from a certain guy. Of course, that's exactly who she'll start dating.
No such thing as bad press?
Like trying to tell a teenage daughter to stay away from a certain guy. Of course, that's exactly who she'll start dating.
No such thing as bad press?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 10:42:38 AM
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Quote: MDawgWhat's not so much unfortunate but more just a waste of time is anyone trying to direct others as to what they should or should not be allowed to read.
Like trying to tell a teenage daughter to stay away from a certain guy. Of course, that's exactly who she'll start dating.
No such thing as bad press?
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great point
and if this was a mathematics forum -
if a guy posted that 2+2 = 5__________and that 4 times 7 = 19______________and 9 divided by 3 = 1 and on and on and on and on
those posts shouldn't be taken down -
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Please don't feed the trolls
September 18th, 2022 at 10:47:11 AM
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EB has stated a few times that with his betting on trends method "you can only lose once:"
how ridiculous - if a person - EB or anyone else loses a trend bet - what reason is there that he can't lose the next trend bet - or 3, 4, 5 trend bets in a row
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Wow did you entirely miss the point. We're talking about one bet not every trend that you've ever made in your life and lumping them all together. If you bet against a trend and you're wrong you have to bet again to make a profit. If you bet with the trend you only have to bet once because if you win you're done and if you lose your done .This is not rocket science, why anybody bets against the trend makes no sense at all. But they do it all the time. Betting with the trend protects your bankroll by limiting you to one bet. You have no idea how many times you're going to have to bet if you bet against the trend.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 10:58:49 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster___
EB has stated a few times that with his betting on trends method "you can only lose once:"
how ridiculous - if a person - EB or anyone else loses a trend bet - what reason is there that he can't lose the next trend bet - or 3, 4, 5 trend bets in a row
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Wow did you entirely miss the point. We're talking about one bet not every trend that you've ever made in your life and lumping them all together. If you bet against a trend and you're wrong you have to bet again to make a profit. If you bet with the trend you only have to bet once because if you win you're done and if you lose your done .This is not rocket science, why anybody bets against the trend makes no sense at all. But they do it all the time. Betting with the trend protects your bankroll by limiting you to one bet. You have no idea how many times you're going to have to bet if you bet against the trend.
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This is finally some sage advice from EB.
As I have stated I played around with streak betting. If you see a bunch of reds and you bet red, then it lands on black the streak is over and you lost that one time
With betting against the streak each and every next red you keep saying well NOW it has to be black.
But don't think that type of wagering will overcome the house edge. It simply doesn't expose you to multiple back to back losses when you see the pattern you wish to wager on
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 18th, 2022 at 11:02:59 AM
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this topic imho is completely dead
there is no reason for futher commentary
it's unfortunate that the Mods have kept this thread open for so long - the only reason I can think of is the no. of clicks
In point of fact not only is this not dead, it hasn't even gotten started yet. Luckily we don't live in a society where one person gets to cancel whatever he doesn't like. If you yourself don't like it block it don't try and take it away from everybody else. Cancel it for yourself, I do it all the time. Not one single time in all the years I've been here have I ever asked for a thread to be closed it would not even occur to me. I can't decide what anybody else needs to read I can only decide what I want to read.
Quote:if MDawg cannot provide a logical reason that he crushes the casino at bacc almost every single time - and that if he happens to occasionally lose once in a blue moon but always quickly wins his losses back - then - his thread should be closed too
Who died and made you the God of threads. Look at all the people who tried to close this thread since it opened just over a week ago. It's amazing. Want to know more about what I'm doing when I make a decision to bet, ask more questions. The problem is you have no idea what questions to ask because you don't understand what's going on. So from your limited view of non understanding you think a thread should be closed and cut off to everybody. There's a name for this way of thinking but I won't use it because we're not allowed to say anything political on this forum anymore.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 11:09:01 AM
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But don't think that type of wagering will overcome the house edge.
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This bet has nothing to do with anything except it's a wise way to bet. Nobody said it overcomes the house edge. I have found ways to skirt around the house Edge and get an edge of my own but this bet is not one of them. This is simply something everybody should do if they have to bet on streaks or trends. And to be honest I very seldom bet on streets or trends but I do use them to tell me what's going on overall. I use them as clues to the larger picture.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 11:09:37 AM
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LilRed just looking for attention, jumping up and down occasionally saying, Listen to me, don't read this stuff. Of course, he reads it too, or else why would he be commenting. A complete waste of time and space to read those long complaining posts, I just read the first line and already know where the harangue is headed.
Anyway, as far as the "one bet only" deal, what if someone declared he was going to give it only one shot anyway. Why would it matter if the one shot were on a trend, or against a trend, as far as losing only one bet?
I get it, psychologically, if a Bank run is happening and a person bets against it and loses, then he will automatically want to go back and bet the run, and then if it ended he'll lose twice, but what if he bets with the run, loses, then bets again based on the "new" trend, and loses again, what's the difference?
I think all there is to that, is deciding that you'll bet once only, no matter what happens.
Anyway, as far as the "one bet only" deal, what if someone declared he was going to give it only one shot anyway. Why would it matter if the one shot were on a trend, or against a trend, as far as losing only one bet?
I get it, psychologically, if a Bank run is happening and a person bets against it and loses, then he will automatically want to go back and bet the run, and then if it ended he'll lose twice, but what if he bets with the run, loses, then bets again based on the "new" trend, and loses again, what's the difference?
I think all there is to that, is deciding that you'll bet once only, no matter what happens.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 11:20:33 AM
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It's a little bit easier to lose 10 in a row than to win 10 in a row on even money bets. With those extra zeros thrown in, it must be much harder to win 10 in a row and much easier to lose 10 in a row.
September 18th, 2022 at 11:54:31 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
But don't think that type of wagering will overcome the house edge.
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This bet has nothing to do with anything except it's a wise way to bet. Nobody said it overcomes the house edge. I have found ways to skirt around the house Edge and get an edge of my own but this bet is not one of them.
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You have just spent an inordinate amount of words to describe pattern betting (whether it's a streak or some form of pattern). You have said that informs you how to wager.
Now you say it doesn't overcome the house edge (so basically it's a waste of time) but you have found other ways.
There's a story about a boy who cried wolf. The point of the story was that no one believes him when he finally said something that wasn't playing around with the facts.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 18th, 2022 at 12:23:23 PM
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EB - this will be my last post in this thread
I would like to ask you this:
why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
why only you - nobody else - or if there is somebody else link it please so I can see it
because I've never seen it before
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EB - this will be my last post in this thread
I would like to ask you this:
why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
why only you - nobody else - or if there is somebody else link it please so I can see it
because I've never seen it before
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Please don't feed the trolls
September 18th, 2022 at 12:30:49 PM
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....Want to know more about what I'm doing when I make a decision to bet, ask more questions....
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How about next time you make a thread about your gambling systems you put all the info in the very first post so you don't waste everyone's time by stroking your ego with vague and nonsensical ramblings and saying things like "you don't understand what I'm doing" and "just ask more questions?"
Quote: EvenBob....The main problem here with people reading this is hey have confirmation bias. If everything they read doesn't confirm what they believe or have been taught they reject. They have a total bias towards their own opinion and will reject anything other than that. ....
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The math involved with Roulette is not a bias, belief, or opinion. It is simple, demonstrable fact.
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..... Nobody said it overcomes the house edge. I have found ways to skirt around the house Edge and get an edge of my own but this bet is not one of them. .....
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LOL
"You can't overcome the house edge but I've found a way to overcome the house edge..."
Classic EB.
September 18th, 2022 at 12:55:49 PM
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I think all there is to that, is deciding that you'll bet once only, no matter what happens.
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That is exactly what it is. It's a bankroll protection bet, it is not a guaranteed win bet. It's a way to maybe make a unit or maybe not and move on. If you're betting against the trend it's far too easy to get in over your head right away and this eliminates that. Unless you don't care if you win or lose you're only going to be once then you can bet against it who cares. But nobody does that, if they lose they'll chase it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 12:59:05 PM
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Now you say it doesn't overcome the house edge (so basically it's a waste of time) but you have found other ways.
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It's just semantics, overcome it, find a way to skirt your way around it, it's the same thing. Like I keep saying this isn't rocket science, you can't pick a part every word and every sentence looking for inconsistencies. If you do that you're missing the entire point.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 1:07:12 PM
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why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
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Probably because I have a high hit rate and my session consists of winning one unit. Do you know anybody else that does that cuz I don't. On other forums where I talked about this I get constant grief that my session is only one unit long. People tell me I'm crazy I'm insane why would you do that because nobody else does it. People sit down and play and play and play and the thought of walking away after one unit is totally foreign to them. If I started playing for more than one unit I guarantee you there will be sessions that I would lose sometimes because the outcomes would stop playing my game and I would have to stop betting. Isn't there a statistic that says something like 60% of the people in a casino are ahead at least one time during every visit? How many of those people do you think quit when they are ahead. Because that's what I do when I'm ahead by just one unit I quit. If 60% of the people in the casino can do it randomly how hard do you think it is to do it on purpose like I do. Not that hard. I know I've seen my own wife many many times be ahead playing the slots maybe 15 or 20 minutes after we get there and will she leave? You must be joking it would never even occur to her to leave and I couldn't drag her out of there if I tried.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 1:27:45 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: Gandler
It's pretty strange that you want to say you have a daily method and post extensively about it, but not give the method (which is fine), but also not give evidence that it works.
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Allow me to explain real life to you. All the people who start off saying I'm a liar I can't do what I say I'm doing they don't believe a word of it blah blah blah they are the ones that want proof. Do they want proof so they can change their minds? Noooooo, they want it so they can tear it apart and claim that I rigged it. I've seen this song and dance before I know how it works. And it can be rigged I know exactly how to do it and if I know how so does everybody else.
Let me give you an example. I invent a mattress it's super comfortable and I go on and on about it with testimonies and videos and whatever I can think of to prove that it's really comfortable. You know what the only proof you can really give is? For somebody to lay on the mattress and discover it for themselves. The only proof that what I do works is for somebody to do it themselves and see that it works. And people have tried and people come away saying yeah there's something here. Not very many people but enough. Because it's a lot of work and gamblers are lazy, they don't want to even try it.
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Yeah, but it would be strange if you invent a mattress and give endless testimonials on something unless you intend to sell it. Its strange to boost up a product without saying what the product is. Its even stranger for gambling methods.
September 18th, 2022 at 1:41:07 PM
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Yeah, but it would be strange if you invent a mattress and give endless testimonials on something unless you intend to sell it. Its strange to boost up a product without saying what the product is. Its even stranger for gambling methods.
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Yet here I am willing to answer questions about the method I use and nobody's asking all they're doing is pissing and moaning about trivial BS. Everybody knows supposedly that I can't do what I say I can do yet they have no idea the questions to ask to prove their point. That's because their point is unprovable. All they have is an opinion, they have no facts. They do not know why you can accurately make guesses about the next outcome with random outcomes even though you can do it in blackjack. Blackjack used to be one of the most solid games in the casino as far as management was concerned until Thorp wrote his book and showed there was a way around random outcomes. In the casinos they went absolutely insane in the 1960s, they were screaming at each other at board meetings because this wasn't supposed to happen. So if you can do it in blackjack why can't you do it in other games. I know I know Blackjack and roulette are two different games but random Is random, either you can find a way around it or you can't and blackjack proved that you can. I could do it in baccarat if there was more than one stream of information. I can play Baccarat with the one stream but it's very tedious I can go an entire shoe and not see anything to bet on.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 1:41:13 PM
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why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
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Probably because I have a high hit rate and my session consists of winning one unit. Do you know anybody else that does that cuz I don't. On other forums where I talked about this I get constant grief that my session is only one unit long. People tell me I'm crazy I'm insane why would you do that because nobody else does it. People sit down and play and play and play and the thought of walking away after one unit is totally foreign to them. If I started playing for more than one unit I guarantee you there will be sessions that I would lose sometimes because the outcomes would stop playing my game and I would have to stop betting. Isn't there a statistic that says something like 60% of the people in a casino our head at least one time during every visit? How many of those people do you think quit when they are ahead. Because that's what I do when I'm ahead by just one unit I quit. If 60% of the people in the casino can do it randomly how hard do you think it is it to do it on purpose like I do. Not that hard. I know I've seen my own wife many many times be ahead playing the slots maybe 15 or 20 minutes after we get there and will she leave? You must be joking it would never even occur to her to leave and I couldn't drag her out of there if I tried.
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I know plenty of people who go for one unit win. On roulette especially.
Sorry to say but you live in a world of your own where no one else have ever tried something like you have tried. It's a delusional world.
I also remember a certain respected member of the GG forum - Lawrence Scott accusing you in trying to sell your roulette "system" in an elaborate way. Now i don't know much details above what he has shared there, but his accusation were open and firm. Do you remember that episode?
Tits are good, but the most important thing is the soul.
September 18th, 2022 at 1:58:58 PM
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Quote: EvenBobOn other forums where I talked about this I get constant grief that my session is only one unit long. People tell me I'm crazy I'm insane why would you do that because nobody else does it
EB became a punching bag at GG; I guess some things never change.
"What, me worry?"
September 18th, 2022 at 2:06:21 PM
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Quote: rawtuffI know plenty of people who go for one unit win. On roulette especially.
Wow I don't know any and you know plenty. And I'm taking lots of grief we're trying to win only one unit. So something about your statement doesn't add up.
Quote:I also remember a certain respected member of the GG forum - Lawrence Scott accusing you in trying to sell your roulette "system"
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As I recall he wanted to buy it but I wasn't selling it I've never tried to sell it so when I wouldn't sell it to him he started accusing me of all kinds of crap. It was a long time ago, 2007 or 2008 maybe.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 2:20:12 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rawtuffI know plenty of people who go for one unit win. On roulette especially.
Wow I don't know any and you know plenty. And I'm taking lots of grief we're trying to win only one unit. So something about your statement doesn't add up.Quote:I also remember a certain respected member of the GG forum - Lawrence Scott accusing you in trying to sell your roulette "system"
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As I recall he wanted to buy it but I wasn't selling it I've never tried to sell it so when I wouldn't sell it to him he started accusing me of all kinds of crap. It was a long time ago, 2007 or 2008 maybe.
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Wait a minute
I thought the governor had helped you out legalizing online gambling so your system could work
Now you been doing it since 2007?
At B&M Casinos where you go and spend two to three days before making one single wager and then go home?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 18th, 2022 at 2:23:29 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rawtuffI know plenty of people who go for one unit win. On roulette especially.
Wow I don't know any and you know plenty. And I'm taking lots of grief we're trying to win only one unit. So something about your statement doesn't add up.
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I DO know plenty (like about 10 persons out of , what 100 gamblers I've met in a small city, which is plenty to me) of roulette players that aim for a one unit win, I'm not making stuff up. Not sure what is it that it doesn't add up to you.
Lawrence have said you've being clever enough in math actually to try and sell an average hit rate system for random 50/50 event like if it was a winner via marketing tricks, but I'll have to dig out the internet archives in order to be more specific in quoting.
Tits are good, but the most important thing is the soul.
September 18th, 2022 at 2:25:38 PM
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You are looking to win one unit for the_______ ?Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster_
why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
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Probably because I have a high hit rate and my session consists of winning one unit. Do you know anybody else that does that cuz I don't. On other forums where I talked about this I get constant grief that my session is only one unit long. People tell me I'm crazy I'm insane why would you do that because nobody else does it. People sit down and play and play and play and the thought of walking away after one unit is totally foreign to them. If I started playing for more than one unit I guarantee you there will be sessions that I would lose sometimes because the outcomes would stop playing my game and I would have to stop betting. Isn't there a statistic that says something like 60% of the people in a casino are ahead at least one time during every visit? How many of those people do you think quit when they are ahead. Because that's what I do when I'm ahead by just one unit I quit. If 60% of the people in the casino can do it randomly how hard do you think it is to do it on purpose like I do. Not that hard. I know I've seen my own wife many many times be ahead playing the slots maybe 15 or 20 minutes after we get there and will she leave? You must be joking it would never even occur to her to leave and I couldn't drag her out of there if I tried.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 2:40:39 PM
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John Patrick advised to shoot for small gains, and once achieved rat hole part and then "up and pull."
There initially may seem to be some merit to Spike's conservative method of stopping a session after a small gain, but only if that is your last bet ever.
Our many years of gambling, with all interruptions, really is just one "session."
Given that, quitting when you're ahead makes no more sense than continuing to play.
There initially may seem to be some merit to Spike's conservative method of stopping a session after a small gain, but only if that is your last bet ever.
Our many years of gambling, with all interruptions, really is just one "session."
Given that, quitting when you're ahead makes no more sense than continuing to play.
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September 18th, 2022 at 2:59:45 PM
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Yeah, but it would be strange if you invent a mattress and give endless testimonials on something unless you intend to sell it. Its strange to boost up a product without saying what the product is. Its even stranger for gambling methods.
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Yet here I am willing to answer questions about the method I use and nobody's asking all they're doing is pissing and moaning about trivial BS. Everybody knows supposedly that I can't do what I say I can do yet they have no idea the questions to ask to prove their point. That's because their point is unprovable. All they have is an opinion, they have no facts. They do not know why you can accurately make guesses about the next outcome with random outcomes even though you can do it in blackjack. Blackjack used to be one of the most solid games in the casino as far as management was concerned until Thorp wrote his book and showed there was a way around random outcomes. In the casinos they went absolutely insane in the 1960s, they were screaming at each other at board meetings because this wasn't supposed to happen. So if you can do it in blackjack why can't you do it in other games. I know I know Blackjack and roulette are two different games but random Is random, either you can find a way around it or you can't and blackjack proved that you can. I could do it in baccarat if there was more than one stream of information. I can play Baccarat with the one stream but it's very tedious I can go an entire shoe and not see anything to bet on.
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So, its clearly based on patterns then (if it works on roulette and baccarat), and not any physical attributes (biased wheel, dealer throw bias, etc...), how do you determine the pattern?
September 18th, 2022 at 3:17:41 PM
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Evenbob , my question is how many sessions do you play per day on average and what is the longest you've had to play to reach your 1 unit goal in terms of number of hands attempted and of course time for it to develop.
I understand your explanation of your method and do not doubt that you do what you say. I would say that in your case , the empirical data / evidence you have accumulated from extensive repetitive experience would diverge from math calculations and reveal vulnerabilities that could be exploited consistently.
Mdawg is another whom I consider an exceptional overall winning player who is criticized but yet remains unchallenged since Wizard verified the one session early on.
If there were to come a challenge, how many hands / sessions would be required to prove your method.
I understand your explanation of your method and do not doubt that you do what you say. I would say that in your case , the empirical data / evidence you have accumulated from extensive repetitive experience would diverge from math calculations and reveal vulnerabilities that could be exploited consistently.
Mdawg is another whom I consider an exceptional overall winning player who is criticized but yet remains unchallenged since Wizard verified the one session early on.
If there were to come a challenge, how many hands / sessions would be required to prove your method.
September 18th, 2022 at 4:10:12 PM
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Today, 2+2 equals 4, but tomorrow, it might equal 5.
He claims an idea is true because he wants it to be true, because he says it is true.
The issue isn't whether he's right, but whether he has the will to believe he's right.
"Reason only satisfies man's rational requirements. Desire, on the other hand, encompasses everything. Desire is life."
He claims an idea is true because he wants it to be true, because he says it is true.
The issue isn't whether he's right, but whether he has the will to believe he's right.
"Reason only satisfies man's rational requirements. Desire, on the other hand, encompasses everything. Desire is life."
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 5:51:12 PM
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I thought the governor had helped you out legalizing online gambling so your system could work
Now you been doing it since 2007?
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Try actually reading what I post instead of skimming over it so you can hurry up and make a comment. I've been doing this since 2006. Legalizing online gambling in my state just upped my game.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 5:52:05 PM
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I do not understand the question
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 5:53:20 PM
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So, its clearly based on patterns then (if it works on roulette and baccarat), and not any physical attributes (biased wheel, dealer throw bias, etc...), how do you determine the pattern?
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It's based on patterns and trends only.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 5:59:24 PM
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I thought the governor had helped you out legalizing online gambling so your system could work
Now you been doing it since 2007?
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Try actually reading what I post instead of skimming over it so you can hurry up and make a comment. I've been doing this since 2006. Legalizing online gambling in my state just upped my game.
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And you have been warned by mods about quoting snippets to change the meaning of a post.
Here you are leaving out that I recognized your comments about being in B&M Casinos since 2006, asking about your own comments. Just so you could insinuate that I am not fully reading your posts.
Since you physically had to snip it I have to assume you did it purposefully
My original post!!!
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Wait a minute
I thought the governor had helped you out legalizing online gambling so your system could work
Now you been doing it since 2007?
At B&M Casinos where you go and spend two to three days before making one single wager and then go home?
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Now you yourself have stated that you can't concentrate for more than one hour.
So how is it you have been successfully doing this since 2006 or 2007?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 18th, 2022 at 6:32:15 PM
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Quote: cwwbjrEvenbob , my question is how many sessions do you play per day on average and what is the longest you've had to play to reach your 1 unit goal in terms of number of hands attempted and of course time for it to develop.
In the summer I've been playing two or three sessions a day but in the winter it will be more because I'll have more time. Online the longest I've had to go I think is 5 bets because the zeros ganged up on me.
Quote:I understand your explanation of your method and do not doubt that you do what you say. I would say that in your case , the empirical data / evidence you have accumulated from extensive repetitive experience would diverge from math calculations and reveal vulnerabilities that could be exploited consistently.
Well said..
Quote:If there were to come a challenge, how many hands / sessions would be required to prove your method.
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Depends on who you're trying to prove it to. I tried doing that some years ago in Las Vegas I played for two days and all I heard was it's luck, you're just having a lucky streak. Because of course that's what it looks like, they cannot see how I'm arriving at my bet decision so it looks like luck. Annie Oakley was probably the best Sharpshooter who ever lived she would put on shows around the world she would get detractors that said she was cheating because nobody could be as good as her, she never missed. So what she did is she started incorporating the audience into the show by doing things like shooting cigarettes out of their mouth and having them flip a 50-cent piece into the air and she would shoot a hole in it. The only way anybody is going to believe what I do is real is try it themselves. Even if they see a little Improvement it will be obvious that with work you could have a lot of improvement. I could post results from online casinos all day long the people here would just say that I'm making it up that I Photoshopped that I cheated somehow.. Because that's what always happens when I'm seeing somebody else do it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 6:38:15 PM
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Since you physically had to snip it I have to assume you did it purposefully
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I am not used to this quoting system you have here now. I didn't think it changed the meaning of it. Is this why everybody quotes everything it makes it a total pain in the ass to read because they're afraid of doing it wrong? It takes up so much space then I guess that's what I'll have to start doing is post every half page dialogue to keep myself from getting in trouble. How ridiculous. If you're going to make an issue out of it I'll just stop reading your posts again that seems to be the easiest thing to do.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 6:59:32 PM
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Day, session, particular pattern. When do you stop and why?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou are looking to win one unit for the_______ ?
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I do not understand the question
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 7:10:22 PM
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Some people love only quoting part of a post to avoid answering the heart of the question but making seem as if they have given an answer to that particular post hoping it will be satisfactory enough so the OP moves on to another question. Oftentimes it works.Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
Since you physically had to snip it I have to assume you did it purposefully
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I am not used to this quoting system you have here now. I didn't think it changed the meaning of it. Is this why everybody quotes everything it makes it a total pain in the ass to read because they're afraid of doing it wrong? It takes up so much space then I guess that's what I'll have to start doing is post every half page dialogue to keep myself from getting in trouble. How ridiculous. If you're going to make an issue out of it I'll just stop reading your posts again that seems to be the easiest thing to do.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 7:42:47 PM
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There is definitely no need to quote a post, let alone the entire post, when it is directly above the post to which it is responding, but at least one forum member feels the need to quote every single word every single time. Quite tedious.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 7:48:13 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfDay, session, particular pattern. When do you stop and why?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou are looking to win one unit for the_______ ?
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I do not understand the question
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One unit per session several sessions a day. As soon as I win one unit I quit come back to it later
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 8:01:49 PM
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Quote: MDawgThere is definitely no need to quote a post, let alone the entire post, when it is directly above the post to which it is responding, but at least one forum member feels the need to quote every single word every single time. Quite tedious.
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What is tedious is when seven different quotes and sub-quotes are done to preserve a five day long conversation. That really annoys me.
But quoting in full a single post on my end is usually because I don't feel like wasting time snipping especially long posts
And I am almost 100% of the time here on my cell so I don't have easy cut and paste like on a computer.
Or maybe I do and I am cell phone illiterate. Besides going on WOV, I use my phone for text and talk. Almost nothing else.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 18th, 2022 at 9:10:55 PM
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I don't remember exactly what Mike said/asked for, but I seem to remember he asked that people at least quote an entire sentence.
At a minimum, one should do that. Why is that so hard to do?
I can see if someone is making a harmless joke or somthing like that, but in a normal course of a conversation/debate, one should quote at least an entire sentence.
If the members involved don't have an issue with it, then no big deal.
I do have an issue with it so I ask that people at least quote an entire sentence of mine.
At a minimum, one should do that. Why is that so hard to do?
I can see if someone is making a harmless joke or somthing like that, but in a normal course of a conversation/debate, one should quote at least an entire sentence.
If the members involved don't have an issue with it, then no big deal.
I do have an issue with it so I ask that people at least quote an entire sentence of mine.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 9:16:17 PM
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Would I be correct in saying that you are only quitting because at the time you made that bet is when you were most confident you would win the bet? At that point, you move along searching for what you believe to be another super good situation?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfDay, session, particular pattern. When do you stop and why?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou are looking to win one unit for the_______ ?
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I do not understand the question
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One unit per session several sessions a day. As soon as I win one unit I quit come back to it later
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 9:40:44 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfWould I be correct in saying that you are only quitting because at the time you made that bet is when you were most confident you would win the bet? At that point, you move along searching for what you believe to be another super good situation?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfDay, session, particular pattern. When do you stop and why?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou are looking to win one unit for the_______ ?
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I do not understand the question
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One unit per session several sessions a day. As soon as I win one unit I quit come back to it later
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This is correct. I only bet when I see a bet to make.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 18th, 2022 at 10:00:32 PM
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If you're able to watch an entire Baccarat shoe and not make a single bet that at a minimum shows great discipline. And patience.
When I am done (quit ahead) I'll sometimes ask for free hands just to amuse myself, but I don't get sucked back into playing.
When I am done (quit ahead) I'll sometimes ask for free hands just to amuse myself, but I don't get sucked back into playing.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 11:32:02 PM
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Quote: MDawgIf you're able to watch an entire Baccarat shoe and not make a single bet that at a minimum shows great discipline. And patience.
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I am not a gambler so I don't have the gamblers attitude of betting just for the sake of betting. To me it's more like an investment, if I don't see something to invest in I hold on to my money. When I was in the antique and collectible business I very seldom bought something that I didn't already know I was going to make money on. Once in awhile I would take a chance but I usually played it safe. I'm really quite risk-adverse I don't like taking risks. I don't like making bets if I'm not fairly sure I'm going to win. Money is too expensive to gamble with.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 1:03:30 AM
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When I am done (quit ahead) I'll sometimes ask for free hands just to amuse myself, but I don't get sucked back into playing.
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It would be nice to get practice rolls at the craps table.
LOL
