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EvenBob
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:42:31 AM permalink
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too bad the forum policies don't allow suspending for ridiculousness
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:48:37 AM permalink
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Quote: lilredrooster

too bad the forum policies don't allow suspending for ridiculousness
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If you don't understand it, cancel it and ban it. That's where we live now.
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I totally understand it

nothing difficult about understanding why a person would hope to get attention by making outrageous claims


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September 10th, 2022 at 3:06:20 AM permalink
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too bad the forum's policies don't allow suspending for ridiculousness
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I agree. I have not missed EvenBob's claims and I do not welcome them back here. Don't expect me to moderate this thread, because I will not be reading it. Any member may post any absurd claim that they wish, seemingly without challenge.

Since this thread very quickly degenerated into 'An adventure of EvenBob, I may lobby for it to be moved to a more apt section.
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September 10th, 2022 at 3:43:28 AM permalink
I'd rather play bubble craps than play online craps. Call me superstitious, or call the online game rigged.
Then there's the $595 max bet on even money bet payouts for online play.

The local casino here has more players playing the 00 Roulette machine than playing Bubble Craps. Craps is too involved without one roll bets, most people don't know the game and can't learn it by reading the rules on the machine. So the roulette machine is usually full or near full and the craps machine empties out of people after too many point 7-outs in too short a time.

As for the excruciating slowness of table games compared to their online digital counterparts, it is like a total slow lane at the B & M casino.
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September 10th, 2022 at 4:10:50 AM permalink
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Yes I win 80% of the bets I make, but I don't bet very often because I don't see the opportunity very often but I see it a lot more online because I can look at 90 outcomes an hour on multiple platforms. I cherry pick my bets with extreme care because I'm only trying to win one unit because that's all I need to win. I'm at home I can play anytime I like night or day and as often as I like. It's like a dream come true. Yes I have been playing Bovada but that's only one platform you need two or three platforms in order for it to be viable. Because when one of them isn't working the odds are good one of the others is working. By working I mean playing my game. Sometimes none of them are working and someone on another forum his coined this the Global Effect. It can sometimes last for a couple days where I see nothing to bet on.




read between the lines - "I don't bet very often because I don't see the opportunity very often - I cherry pick my bets with extreme care"

this implies that at least part of his strategy is based on past results

totally bogus

the wheel has no memory

the last time I checked they weren't manufacturing roulette wheels or imbuing virtual, digital wheels with a human mind



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September 10th, 2022 at 4:20:36 AM permalink
If he only bets on the green numbers and he wins 80% of the time, he's really got this wheel clocking down-pat!
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September 10th, 2022 at 6:17:55 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The only way I could lose will be to get a whole lot of zeros and that's not going to happen.
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Since roulette is a game of independent trials it absolutely statistically CAN happen. This is is a dunce cap worthy statement.
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September 10th, 2022 at 7:11:46 AM permalink
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If I always win in a B&M casino I get the boot. Why do online casinos let you always win and continue to let you play?
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That's a good question and I assume there's a time that will come when they figure out what I'm doing. I mix everything up, I play at 8 different casinos and I never bet the same amount twice in a row. I never do the same thing twice in a row at any of them. I'm not sure what the regulations are by the state on who they can ban from playing. They are all connected with Indian casinos in the state, but they are not bound by the same regulations of Indian casinos. They cannot do whatever they want. I'm hoping they have to have a really good reason to ban you, and that consistent winning is not one of them. If you feel you've been mistreated you can file formal complaints with the state gaming board and they take it seriously. And people are betting real money, on the baccarat live table It's not unusual to see people making $10,000 bets. And lots of them. I saw a guy last week win 12 10,000 dollar bets in a row at the baccarat table. Why they would be concerned with a comparative small fry like me is the question.
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September 10th, 2022 at 7:20:06 AM permalink
All right EvenBob, I assume that what you are talking about is "Reading Randomness" about which there have been many threads at other forums. Let's set aside whether or not this is possible - for a game like roulette, how do you do it? What do you look for?
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September 10th, 2022 at 8:35:15 AM permalink
In the long run I'm probably going to regret this due to all the flack that's going to result but....

Let me state up front that I have no idea what EB is doing and whether or not his claims of consistent winning is valid. However I do take exception to attacks on his claim with statements such as:

Quote: AitchTheLetter

Since roulette is a game of independent trials it absolutely statistically CAN happen. This is is a dunce cap worthy statement


Quote: lilredrooster

the wheel has no memory



Strictly speaking, this is not necessarily true (and before anyone's blood pressure shoots up in response, I suggest reading the rest of this post).

It is true that when playing craps the dice have no memory. It is also true that when playing Blackjack that cards most certainly do have memory. So it would seem to me a reasonable question to ask if the wheel does, or does not, "have a memory" and not just dismiss the assumption. For a variety of reasons not worth going into, about a year ago I began to suspect that the wheel has memory and starting about 2 months ago I began collecting and analyzing data to see (1) if this was indeed the case and (2) if it was, could it be exploited (i.e., was the effect significant enough to provide a +EV opportunity in an actual game). Also, to be clear, I am not talking about any type of "wheel clocking" but am specifically talking about a stateful effect that results in a non-uniform outcome (i.e., roulette as a Markov process).

I haven't completed the analysis but in case the answer to Q2 is "yes" I don't want to go into too much detail on a public thread. What I am willing to describe is the general approach:
  1. The first step is applying a transform function to the collected data that maps it to a new coordinate space
  2. Features are extracted from the transformed data, which are then partitioned based on attributes of the metadata
  3. kernel density estimation (KDE) is then used to generate a probability density function (PDF) for each feature set

So far I have not collected enough data to be willing to make a definitive statement one way or the other. Analysis of the limited data I've collected so far so is consistent with the answer to Q1 being "yes" but the data set is too small to feel confident about a conclusion either way.
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