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September 9th, 2022 at 1:29:04 PM permalink
In January of 2021 the governor of my state, Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer, changed my life forever. She made online gambling legal in my state. Before she signed the bill I had no use for her but now I love her dearly and have nothing but fond thoughts of her.

First were the sports books then just about a year ago the online casinos came with the live dealers. There are 13 or 14 online casinos that have live roulette and it has changed my life. I will probably never set foot in another brick and mortar Casino again, why would I. At an online live wheel I can see 90 outcomes in an hour where the average in a brick-and-mortar casino is 25 or 30 an hour. Because I can see so many spins in such a short amount of time this has raised my hit rate to 80%. I'm only playing to make one unit a session because that's all I need to make. I have a monthly goal and I get to that goal by making one unit a session by playing one or two or three sessions a day.. With an 80% hit rate it's usually over very quickly obviously.

I would never go to another brick-and-mortar casino because they are stone-age to me now. I have to drive to get there, park my car walk all the way inside, play elbow to elbow with complete strangers in a game that is as slow as molasses. And shows me a fraction of the outcomes that I can see online. I've never liked brick-and-mortar casinos as I've said here many times. In fact mostly I hate them for reasons I will not go into again. Just the thought of never having to enter another casino is invigorating.

In a break from my normal way of doing things I am now willing to answer questions about how I get an 80% hit rate. Obviously I'm not going to answer questions like what's the combination to the safe but I will tell you how the safe works, I will tell you what I do and what I look for to get an 80% hit rate. You will have to figure the rest out for yourself. Never again can anybody say but I don't talk about what I do that I just brag about results. I'm not expecting a lot of traffic in this thread because you will not know what questions to ask. You will want me to lay out the whole thing for you in simple terms and then take you to the casino to show you exactly how it works over and over until you get it. That's never going to happen. My experience is gamblers are inherently lazy and they want everything for nothing that's why they gamble. A big asset for me is I am not a gambler and I've never been a gambler. I went to the casino for years with my wife so she can play the slots and most of the time I didn't play anything because I don't gamble. I discovered roulette completely by accident and playing it is not gambling for me because I know I'm going to win every single session.
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September 9th, 2022 at 1:42:42 PM permalink
You are going to need pics of comp dinners and Rolex watches to even compete.
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September 9th, 2022 at 1:45:26 PM permalink
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You are going to need pics of comp dinners and Rolex watches to even compete.



Online casinos that don't give out comps, I never used a players card so I didn't get them anyway.
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September 9th, 2022 at 1:59:05 PM permalink
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how I get an 80% hit rate




if you could actually prove that or anything even close to that you would be considered a Great Man

your achievement would be hailed throughout the world - you would have done what nobody has ever done

but that will never happen - because the reality is you're just one more guy flapping his gums on a message board

nothing worthwhile here for anybody to spent time on - a man telling stories because he craves attention



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September 9th, 2022 at 2:08:16 PM permalink
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how I get an 80% hit rate




if you could actually prove that or anything even close to that you would be considered a Great Man

your achievement would be hailed throughout the world - you would have done what nobody has ever done

but that will never happen - because the reality is you're just one more guy flapping his gums on a message board

nothing worthwhile here for anybody to pay attention to - a man telling stories because he craves attention



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80% hit rate is garbage.

I can cover 35 numbers and achieve greater than 90% hit rate.

It's still a losing proposition.

Since EB claims he only plays to win one unit, it doesn't surprise me if I just described his methodology.
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September 9th, 2022 at 2:34:17 PM permalink
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how I get an 80% hit rate

if you could actually prove that



That didn't take long you proved my point almost immediately. You want everything for nothing or you don't want anything, I've been accused for years here of being unwilling to talk about what I do and now that I'm willing to talk about it it's still not enough as I knew it would be.
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September 9th, 2022 at 2:34:47 PM permalink
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I discovered roulette completely by accident and playing it is not gambling for me because I know I'm going to win every single session.
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My nomination for the Most Outlandish Forum Statement of 2022.
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September 9th, 2022 at 2:37:24 PM permalink
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My question is are you open to a challenge?



I'm open to questions. I only show what I actually do to the casinos so they'll pay me and I show them everyday.
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September 9th, 2022 at 2:40:51 PM permalink
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First were the sports books then just about a year ago the online casinos came with the live dealers. There are 13 or 14 online casinos that have live roulette and it has changed my life. I will probably never set foot in another brick and mortar Casino again, why would I. At an online live wheel I can see 90 outcomes in an hour where the average in a brick-and-mortar casino is 25 or 30 an hour. Because I can see so many spins in such a short amount of time this has raised my hit rate to 80%. I'm only playing to make one unit a session because that's all I need to make. I have a monthly goal and I get to that goal by making one unit a session by playing one or two or three sessions a day.. With an 80% hit rate it's usually over very quickly obviously.

In a break from my normal way of doing things I am now willing to answer questions about how I get an 80% hit rate.
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Okay.

Question 1: how are you defining "a hit" in terms of calculating the hit rate? Is it the fraction of times you reach your goal (one unit per session)?

Question 2: at what point is a session a loss?

If a "hit" is being ahead 1 or more units before losing the entire starting bankroll, then, with even-money bets on a double-zero roulette wheel, a 1-2-4 Martingale has a theoretical "hit rate" of slightly more than 85%.
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September 9th, 2022 at 2:44:30 PM permalink
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I discovered roulette completely by accident and playing it is not gambling for me because I know I'm going to win every single session.
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My nomination for the Most Outlandish Forum Statement of 2022.



It's pretty tough to lose a session where you're trying to make one unit and you have an 80% hit rate. The only way I could lose will be to get a whole lot of zeros and that's not going to happen. And even then I just keep playing till I'm one unit ahead. 80% hit rate means I get 8 out of 10 guesses right the first time. But it's not linear, I could get 15 in a row correct on the 1st bet and then lose the next three in a row. It doesn't matter, I'm going to win every session it's not possible to lose because if the outcomes are not playing my game I don't bet. I only make a bet when the outcomes are extremely favorable to what I do.
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September 9th, 2022 at 3:49:06 PM permalink
Maybe itís just me, but what do you mean by Ďhit rateí?
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September 9th, 2022 at 4:51:37 PM permalink
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Question 1: how are you defining "a hit"



80% hit rate means I get 8 out of 10 correct on average on the 1st bet. Flat betting only, I never use a progression.

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Question 2: at what point is a session a loss?



It would be when I fail to make one unit no matter what I do. But that never happens. With an 80% hit rate is not possible.

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September 9th, 2022 at 5:42:12 PM permalink
I assume that you are not saying that you win 80% of your bets. I could see winning on 80% of the spins if you make multiple bets.

For hit rate I would think each bet made would have to hit 80% of the time for it to be a 80% hit rate.
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September 9th, 2022 at 5:47:13 PM permalink
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Quote: EvenBob

I discovered roulette completely by accident and playing it is not gambling for me because I know I'm going to win every single session.
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My nomination for the Most Outlandish Forum Statement of 2022.



It's pretty tough to lose a session where you're trying to make one unit and you have an 80% hit rate. The only way I could lose will be to get a whole lot of zeros and that's not going to happen. And even then I just keep playing till I'm one unit ahead. 80% hit rate means I get 8 out of 10 guesses right the first time. But it's not linear, I could get 15 in a row correct on the 1st bet and then lose the next three in a row. It doesn't matter, I'm going to win every session it's not possible to lose because if the outcomes are not playing my game I don't bet. I only make a bet when the outcomes are extremely favorable to what I do.
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When the outcomes are favorable?

And what was the purpose of making your first return post suspiciously a political post involving governor Whitmire?
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September 9th, 2022 at 5:59:08 PM permalink
I would just as soon go to a brick and mortar casino. When I win I just go to the cage and collect my winnings. I get my money then and not worry about getting paid or paying a fee for wire transfer or whatever
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September 9th, 2022 at 6:17:56 PM permalink
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Question 1: how are you defining "a hit"



80% hit rate means I get 8 out of 10 correct on average on the 1st bet. Flat betting only, I never use a progression.

Quote: ThatDonGuy

Question 2: at what point is a session a loss?



It would be when I fail to make one unit no matter what I do. But that never happens. With an 80% hit rate is not possible.
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3. How much do you bet on the "first bet"?

And losing money with an 80% hit rate is very possible, if the value of the losses exceed the value of the wins by enough.
Example: bet 2 on 1-12, 2 on 25-36, and 1 on 16-21
Any of the numbers 1-12, 16-21, or 25-36 results in +1 on the bet. This is a 78.9% hit rate.
Any of the other 8 numbers results in -5 on the bet, but Don't Worry, with that 78.9% hit rate, you'll make it back in no time - except that the probability of winning six straight bets is slightly less than 1/4.
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September 9th, 2022 at 7:06:52 PM permalink
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I assume that you are not saying that you win 80% of your bets.



Yes I win 80% of the bets I make, but I don't bet very often because I don't see the opportunity very often but I see it a lot more online because I can look at 90 outcomes an hour on multiple platforms. I cherry pick my bets with extreme care because I'm only trying to win one unit because that's all I need to win. I'm at home I can play anytime I like night or day and as often as I like. It's like a dream come true. Yes I have been playing Bovada but that's only one platform you need two or three platforms in order for it to be viable. Because when one of them isn't working the odds are good one of the others is working. By working I mean playing my game. Sometimes none of them are working and someone on another forum his coined this the Global Effect. It can sometimes last for a couple days where I see nothing to bet on.
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September 9th, 2022 at 7:11:57 PM permalink
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When the outcomes are favorable?

And what was the purpose of making your first return post suspiciously a political post involving governor Whitmire?
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She's the one that signed it into law, she could have vetoed it. How is that political I don't get it

Yes when the outcomes are favorable to the game I'm playing. I virtually bet and when I'm winning virtually I take a chance and make an educated guess to try and win one unit and I'm right 80% of the time. 80% sounds really good but it's kind of pathetic, if Annie Oakley only hit 80% of what she shot at she would have killed a lot of people. If you got into a car accident 80% of the times you drove you wouldn't be driving anymore.
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September 9th, 2022 at 7:16:39 PM permalink
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I would just as soon go to a brick and mortar casino. When I win I just go to the cage and collect my winnings.



I can do the same thing at the online casinos because everything is done through PayPal. I can make a withdrawal immediately every time I win if I wanted to. And because these are regulated by the state it's very hard for them to get away with cheating. Because if there are complaints there are investigations and they can get shut down and banned. This isn't some Backwater Casino in outer Mongolia that can do anything it wants. State-run casinos are highly regulated and huge money makers. Why more states don't allow this is a mystery.
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September 9th, 2022 at 7:28:18 PM permalink
Quote:

3. How much do you bet on the "first bet"?



I flat bet only the amount that is whatever I need to in order to make my goal for the month. It's never the same amount any two days in a row.

Quote:

And losing money with an 80% hit rate is very possible,



Actually it's not possible. I think the most I've ever had to bet to make one unit was seven times and that's because the zeros screwed me up. Now if I play in a brick-and-mortar casino no way I can do 80% cuz I don't have enough spins to look at. It's more like my hit rate is 65 to 70% and because they are double zero wheels winning is a lot more work. Add to that I only have an hour to play because after an hour my concentration is gone. Playing at a brick-and-mortar casino now would be like punishment for me, it would be like going from using a push-button phone back to using a rotary phone. A huge step backwards. Online casino gambling is the future.
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September 9th, 2022 at 7:34:58 PM permalink
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Maybe itís just me, but what do you mean by Ďhit rateí?
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80% hit rate means if I bet 10 times I will get eight of them correct on the first bet. In the long run. In the short-term it never works that way, in the short-term it's more likely to be 16 or 17 in a row correct and then a couple of bad guesses. But in the end it works out to 80%. But like I said I don't bet every spin, I'm so picky in what I'm looking for that I might not bet at all cuz I see nothing to bet on. If I were to bet on every spin I wouldn't do any better then some ploppie. And no I do not count zeros in my hit rate why would I.
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September 9th, 2022 at 7:46:47 PM permalink
If I always win in a B&M casino I get the boot. Why do online casinos let you always win and continue to let you play?
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September 9th, 2022 at 8:00:46 PM permalink
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If I always win in a B&M casino I get the boot. Why do online casinos let you always win and continue to let you play?
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That's a good question and I assume there's a time that will come when they figure out what I'm doing. I mix everything up, I play at 8 different casinos and I never bet the same amount twice in a row. I never do the same thing twice in a row at any of them. I'm not sure what the regulations are by the state on who they can ban from playing. They are all connected with Indian casinos in the state, but they are not bound by the same regulations of Indian casinos. They cannot do whatever they want. I'm hoping they have to have a really good reason to ban you, and that consistent winning is not one of them. If you feel you've been mistreated you can file formal complaints with the state gaming board and they take it seriously. And people are betting real money, on the baccarat live table It's not unusual to see people making $10,000 bets. And lots of them. I saw a guy last week win 12 10,000 dollar bets in a row at the baccarat table. Why they would be concerned with a comparative small fry like me is the question.
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September 9th, 2022 at 11:20:59 PM permalink
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Why more states don't allow this is a mystery.



Because some states believe their residents need to be protected from themselves. This thread sort of proves their point.
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September 9th, 2022 at 11:47:53 PM permalink
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Why more states don't allow this is a mystery.



Because some states believe their residents need to be protected from themselves. This thread sort of proves their point.
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So because I consistently win I need to be protected from myself? Yeah, that makes no sense. The casinos need to be protected from me, I'll go along with that. LOL

All those years people saying I should be banned from here because I refuse to discuss the details of what I do. Now I'm willing to discuss it and nobody wants to talk about it which I suspected all along. What you really want is for me to show you exactly what I do so you can do it yourself. You want to avoid all the work in the middle because most gamblers are inherently lazy,, that's why they gamble. They don't want to do the work they want someone to show them the finished product so they can skip the hard stuff. They want a college degree without having to go to college to get it. Something for nothing.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:18:19 AM permalink
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Quote: EvenBob

Why more states don't allow this is a mystery.



Because some states believe their residents need to be protected from themselves. This thread sort of proves their point.
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So because I consistently win I need to be protected from myself? Yeah, that makes no sense. The casinos need to be protected from me, I'll go along with that. LOL

All those years people saying I should be banned from here because I refuse to discuss the details of what I do. Now I'm willing to discuss it and nobody wants to talk about it which I suspected all along. What you really want is for me to show you exactly what I do so you can do it yourself. You want to avoid all the work in the middle because most gamblers are inherently lazy,, that's why they gamble. They don't want to do the work they want someone to show them the finished product so they can skip the hard stuff. They want a college degree without having to go to college to get it. Something for nothing.
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I had no knowledge of your years of roulette play before today. Your choice of words in this thread leads me to believe you have some sort of system based on tracking spin results. So yeah, I would suggest you move to Utah or Hawaii before you eventually lose everything.
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September 10th, 2022 at 1:21:00 AM permalink
Maybe that was mdawg that won the 10k 12 bets in a row on baccarat...
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:20:49 AM permalink
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My question is are you open to a challenge?



(earlier he replied to me by saying) : "you proved my point almost immediately"



I'm open to questions. I only show what I actually do to the casinos so they'll pay me and I show them everyday.
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it was very easy to predict that he would not accept a challenge - more than 80% predictability - close to 100%


nobody in the entire world could prove his point


too bad the forum's policies don't allow suspending for ridiculousness


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September 10th, 2022 at 2:39:23 AM permalink
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I would suggest you move to Utah or Hawaii before you eventually lose everything.
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Based on what, your years of experience in playing roulette? I didn't think so.
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:42:31 AM permalink
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too bad the forum policies don't allow suspending for ridiculousness
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If you don't understand it, cancel it and ban it. That's where we live now.
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:48:37 AM permalink
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too bad the forum policies don't allow suspending for ridiculousness
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If you don't understand it, cancel it and ban it. That's where we live now.
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I totally understand it

nothing difficult about understanding why a person would hope to get attention by making outrageous claims


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September 10th, 2022 at 3:06:20 AM permalink
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too bad the forum's policies don't allow suspending for ridiculousness
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I agree. I have not missed EvenBob's claims and I do not welcome them back here. Don't expect me to moderate this thread, because I will not be reading it. Any member may post any absurd claim that they wish, seemingly without challenge.

Since this thread very quickly degenerated into 'An adventure of EvenBob, I may lobby for it to be moved to a more apt section.
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September 10th, 2022 at 3:43:28 AM permalink
I'd rather play bubble craps than play online craps. Call me superstitious, or call the online game rigged.
Then there's the $595 max bet on even money bet payouts for online play.

The local casino here has more players playing the 00 Roulette machine than playing Bubble Craps. Craps is too involved without one roll bets, most people don't know the game and can't learn it by reading the rules on the machine. So the roulette machine is usually full or near full and the craps machine empties out of people after too many point 7-outs in too short a time.

As for the excruciating slowness of table games compared to their online digital counterparts, it is like a total slow lane at the B & M casino.
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September 10th, 2022 at 4:10:50 AM permalink
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Yes I win 80% of the bets I make, but I don't bet very often because I don't see the opportunity very often but I see it a lot more online because I can look at 90 outcomes an hour on multiple platforms. I cherry pick my bets with extreme care because I'm only trying to win one unit because that's all I need to win. I'm at home I can play anytime I like night or day and as often as I like. It's like a dream come true. Yes I have been playing Bovada but that's only one platform you need two or three platforms in order for it to be viable. Because when one of them isn't working the odds are good one of the others is working. By working I mean playing my game. Sometimes none of them are working and someone on another forum his coined this the Global Effect. It can sometimes last for a couple days where I see nothing to bet on.




read between the lines - "I don't bet very often because I don't see the opportunity very often - I cherry pick my bets with extreme care"

this implies that at least part of his strategy is based on past results

totally bogus

the wheel has no memory

the last time I checked they weren't manufacturing roulette wheels or imbuing virtual, digital wheels with a human mind



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September 10th, 2022 at 4:20:36 AM permalink
If he only bets on the green numbers and he wins 80% of the time, he's really got this wheel clocking down-pat!
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September 10th, 2022 at 6:17:55 AM permalink
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The only way I could lose will be to get a whole lot of zeros and that's not going to happen.
*snip*
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Since roulette is a game of independent trials it absolutely statistically CAN happen. This is is a dunce cap worthy statement.
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September 10th, 2022 at 7:11:46 AM permalink
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If I always win in a B&M casino I get the boot. Why do online casinos let you always win and continue to let you play?
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That's a good question and I assume there's a time that will come when they figure out what I'm doing. I mix everything up, I play at 8 different casinos and I never bet the same amount twice in a row. I never do the same thing twice in a row at any of them. I'm not sure what the regulations are by the state on who they can ban from playing. They are all connected with Indian casinos in the state, but they are not bound by the same regulations of Indian casinos. They cannot do whatever they want. I'm hoping they have to have a really good reason to ban you, and that consistent winning is not one of them. If you feel you've been mistreated you can file formal complaints with the state gaming board and they take it seriously. And people are betting real money, on the baccarat live table It's not unusual to see people making $10,000 bets. And lots of them. I saw a guy last week win 12 10,000 dollar bets in a row at the baccarat table. Why they would be concerned with a comparative small fry like me is the question.
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September 10th, 2022 at 7:20:06 AM permalink
All right EvenBob, I assume that what you are talking about is "Reading Randomness" about which there have been many threads at other forums. Let's set aside whether or not this is possible - for a game like roulette, how do you do it? What do you look for?
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September 10th, 2022 at 8:35:15 AM permalink
In the long run I'm probably going to regret this due to all the flack that's going to result but....

Let me state up front that I have no idea what EB is doing and whether or not his claims of consistent winning is valid. However I do take exception to attacks on his claim with statements such as:

Quote: AitchTheLetter

Since roulette is a game of independent trials it absolutely statistically CAN happen. This is is a dunce cap worthy statement


Quote: lilredrooster

the wheel has no memory



Strictly speaking, this is not necessarily true (and before anyone's blood pressure shoots up in response, I suggest reading the rest of this post).

It is true that when playing craps the dice have no memory. It is also true that when playing Blackjack that cards most certainly do have memory. So it would seem to me a reasonable question to ask if the wheel does, or does not, "have a memory" and not just dismiss the assumption. For a variety of reasons not worth going into, about a year ago I began to suspect that the wheel has memory and starting about 2 months ago I began collecting and analyzing data to see (1) if this was indeed the case and (2) if it was, could it be exploited (i.e., was the effect significant enough to provide a +EV opportunity in an actual game). Also, to be clear, I am not talking about any type of "wheel clocking" but am specifically talking about a stateful effect that results in a non-uniform outcome (i.e., roulette as a Markov process).

I haven't completed the analysis but in case the answer to Q2 is "yes" I don't want to go into too much detail on a public thread. What I am willing to describe is the general approach:
  1. The first step is applying a transform function to the collected data that maps it to a new coordinate space
  2. Features are extracted from the transformed data, which are then partitioned based on attributes of the metadata
  3. kernel density estimation (KDE) is then used to generate a probability density function (PDF) for each feature set

So far I have not collected enough data to be willing to make a definitive statement one way or the other. Analysis of the limited data I've collected so far so is consistent with the answer to Q1 being "yes" but the data set is too small to feel confident about a conclusion either way.
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I would be open to assistance in doing the analysis. Specifically, it would help if WoV members would be willing to provide data from actual roulette sessions. Once completed I would make the detailed analysis, including all algorithms and code used, available for review. If anyone is interested in taking me up on the offer, PM me and I'll let you know what kind of data I'm looking for.
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September 10th, 2022 at 8:47:23 AM permalink
Roulette IS a game of independent trials and a properly balanced and maintained wheel does not care about the outcome of the previous spin.
What you are doing sounds like wheel clocking/bias tracking with extra fancy steps.
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September 10th, 2022 at 8:48:12 AM permalink
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the reality is you're just one more guy flapping his gums on a message board
nothing worthwhile here for anybody to spent time on - a man telling stories because he craves attention
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TumblingDice, this is why I posted my question to EvenBob versus just insulting him unproductively with the "a man telling stories because he craves attention" narcissist insinuation, and the "a message board nothing worthwhile here for anybody to spent time on" which insults the entire forum and makes me wonder why lilredrooster bothers with a forum that he believes has nothing worthwhile for anybody to spend time on, anyway.


1) What say ye EvenBob?

2)
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Quote: MDawg

In the case with Heather she says she got the ball into the same number 6 times in a row, and then when challenged by her boss to do it again, did so twice more.
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I didn't want to get into an argument with Heather on the show, but I'm skeptical of the story. If dealers could really do this, roulette in its present form wouldn't exist. Cheating dealers would be letting their friends win right and left and splitting the winnings later.
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Heather seems pretty credible to me. Whether she may do this at will again or not is not my question, in my mind anyway, just - the story she related, she related it credibly.
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September 10th, 2022 at 9:37:59 AM permalink
Guys,

Wheel clocking a biased ONLINE wheel?

I mean, seriously now!

SMH.
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September 10th, 2022 at 9:46:03 AM permalink
I will answer some of these questions later today because it's Saturday and I have a ton of stuff to do finishing the garage I've been building all summer.
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September 10th, 2022 at 11:01:54 AM permalink
Quote: AitchTheLetter

Roulette IS a game of independent trials and a properly balanced and maintained wheel does not care about the outcome of the previous spin.
What you are doing sounds like wheel clocking/bias tracking with extra fancy steps.
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Before agreeing/disagreeeing on the details, let's make sure we are in-sync on the terminology.

By "wheel clocking" I assume we are referring to a technique that takes advantage of the time-span between when the dealer releases the ball and when the declare "no more bets" by making a ballistic assessment as to what sector of the wheel a ball lands in. That is not a part of what I am investigating.

As to "bias", most folks seem to mean that "a biased wheel is one that, due to wear and tear, is no longer producing random results. It favors certain pockets or sections." That too does not factor into my assumptions. In fact, I am assuming the opposite and that the wheel is properly balanced and maintained.

On the other hand, let's define "bias" as any attribute or characteristic of the game of Roulette that results in a non-uniform outcome for a specific spin. I realize that's an odly worded definition but it describes the underlying premise that I'm evaluating. Putting it another way, I've been wondering if there is fundamental aspect of Roulette that results in a game be a Markov process. This "bias" (for want of a better term) is always present but will vary in the specifics of the PDF from game to game.

Like I said, it's just a hypothesis at this point but it's interesting to play around with if math and data analysis is your idea of fun.
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September 10th, 2022 at 11:04:09 AM permalink
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I agree. I have not missed EvenBob's claims and I do not welcome them back here. Don't expect me to moderate this thread, because I will not be reading it. Any member may post any absurd claim that they wish, seemingly without challenge.



Just be thankful EB isn't posting pics and stories about his daily home cooked meals as he once did at DT.

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September 10th, 2022 at 11:09:38 AM permalink
First, welcome back EvenBob. I missed you!

Second, let me say that I am interested in hearing EB's explanation of what he does to get high (claimed) winning rates. EvenBob, we're on our knees begging you to please explain your technique!

Third, another moderator has denounced this thread and said he will not moderate it, but I will be happy to read this thread and help to keep the peace.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:50:58 PM permalink
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narcissist insinuation,



why in the world would anybody make a "narcissistic insinuation" about a guy who no stop posts dozens of pics of his expensive hotel rooms, expensive jewely, expensive everything, etc.

how ridiculous to make that insinuation

I own an expensive Italian leather sofa - raise your hand if you'd like to see me post some pics of it from various angles


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September 10th, 2022 at 1:04:06 PM permalink
You like talking to yourself about what people do, but I don't see anything from you other than EvenBob is a narcissist, MDawg is a narcissist type insults, this forum isn't worth reading, type posts, for some time now. 🙂 Of course, if we're the reason you stay at WOV, then by all means, stay and add to our thread content with more carefully thought out insults.

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nothing worthwhile here for anybody to spent time on
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September 10th, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM permalink
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great point - I don't play 𝙗𝙡𝙖𝙘𝙠𝙟𝙖𝙘𝙠 anymore - no financial need for that anymore - I played more than 700 hours per year for 7 years

I bet sports - for entertainment - would have to make gigantic bets for it to make a difference - no sense getting worked up about something for no reason

sports - something you never post about - I wonder why - sports a very foolish thing to you_______?


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