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MichaelBluejay
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March 26th, 2021 at 3:05:03 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

All right then you very highly intelligent mathematical beings (although I note Mr Buejay doesn't seem to have any mathematical qualifications)

That is not entirely true. I passed 7th-grade math. That's all that's necessary to understand that the average of a set of negative numbers can never be positive (which is all that's needed in order to know why your system doesn't beat the house).

Quote: Wellbush

my only claim is that I have stumbled across a negative progression strategy that seems to beat the house.

Exactly. It doesn't. That's knowable because it's well-understood that (1) the average of a set of negative numbers can never be positive, and that (2) the outcome of a hand of blackjack has essentially no correlation to the outcome of previous hands.

Quote: Wellbush

And, if you haven't worked it out yet, it's why everyone's starting to realise that possibly for decades, mathematicians have been wrong about negative progression betting strategies!!!!!

(groan) Sure, right.

Quote: Wellbush

So, Mr Bluejay, apart from your article on betting systems (I'll no doubt get to the article and rip that apart too, in forthcoming posts), have I rebutted everything else in the above post? Or did I miss something?

Did you miss SOMETHING?! You missed EVERYTHING! You've rebutted NOTHING.

Quote: Wellbush

Not some flawed logic like Mr Bluejay's assertion that my English shows I lack credibility!!!

BINGO BINGO BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER! As I said, believers in betting systems NEVER understand why their bad English is huge tell. Could spot this one coming a mile away.
Zcore13
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March 26th, 2021 at 3:50:06 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not so sure about that.



Different user name, same nonsense.


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SOOPOO
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March 26th, 2021 at 3:51:49 PM permalink
You donít have a friend, a colleague, a relative.... that you can borrow a measly $2k from? Or save up yourself? If I was that broke and ABSOLUTELY KNEW that I had a winning gambling system, I canít think of ANYTHING ELSE Iíd be doing other than rounding up the money to start raking it in at the casino. Rather than wasting my time on an Internet forum....
Wellbush
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March 26th, 2021 at 7:52:53 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Which is a worthless test. You'd need to play for thousands of hours to conclusively prove that the system actually works rather than just being lucky.

Saying your system is a winner is like saying you can choose some certain number of nickels and have the average be greater than 5¢. That's impossible, and it's why the math-literate know that you're wrong even without knowing the details of your system.

My article on betting systems gives four kinds of evidence for why betting systems can't beat the house.



For those itching for a reply from me, again, be patient! Like the reasonable chap I am, I'll get around to you, unless your post is ridiculous or has already been covered. Hint: check back through the thread! I'm not gonna keep repeating myself for lazy posters. So, for now, I'll be responding to posts in the order they come in.

So I didn't completely finish with Mr Bluejay's post above where he pointed out how wrong I am because of the PROVEN REASONS (gulp) he dutifully pointed out one-by-one on his authoritative website!!! So let me go through the reasons he uses to debunk betting strategies (and that, by definition, debunks mine!).

By the way, I'm waiting for Mr Shackleford, if he's game enough to rear his head? Although who knows what username he has, or even if I've already replied to him under some unknown name? Regardless, from what I've read of his supposed posts on the internet, I'll be able to )@#-! him apart too!!!!

Back to Mr Bluejay's debunking list. 1. The Martingale. Becomes unaffordable in a short space of time. I agree, but I use the Fibonacci sequence because it's more affordable. However, simply using the Fibonacci sequence in its pure form is also probably unaffordable for the average player.

Now let me tease this out a little further, before naysayers jump on my bandwagon with protests! I'll no doubt debunk all your protests as I unravel the protests one-by-one, if you can keep reading before you jump up and down!!!

Let me be clear about the Fibonacci sequence so everyone understands. It's a sequence of numbers that allow the betting person to use less bets to recoup the amount of bets he/she used, to be in a negative pot position.

So looking at the Fibonacci sequence, first - 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13,.... I've stopped continuing the progression coz I gotta stop somewhere, but I'll tell you how you can continue the progression yourself. If you look at the progression you'll see that after each two numbers, you add them together to get the next number. E.g. 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, and so on.

The interesting thing about this sequence is that it can be used to reduce losses, and also win at betting. That's because you can bet following the amounts on the sequence, and by so doing, you can come out in front by winning from less bets than it took to be in a losing position. Let me use a simplified example from the numbers above (and this is not to prove anything about my betting strategy, but just to explain the Fibonacci sequence).

Bet 1, amount $1, loss, pot -$1. Bet 2, amount $1, loss, pot -$2. Bet 3, amount $2, loss, pot -$4. Bet 4, amount $3, loss, pot -$7. Bet 5, amount $5, loss, pot -$12. Bet 6, amount $8, loss, pot -$20. Bet 7, amount $13, win, pot -$7. Bet 8, amount $5, win, pot -$2. Bet 9, amount $2, win, pot even. Bet 10, amount $1, win, pot +$1.

So, as you can see above, there where 10 bets placed. The first 6 bets using the Fibonacci sequence, were losing bets resulting in a total loss to the player of $20. However, after the next 4 bets, I came out with $1 in profit! The beauty of the Fibonacci sequence is that if the player continues along the Fibonacci sequence method, he will theoretically come out with a profit after winning less hands than it took to get into the losing position.

So how did I know what amounts to bet after the first 6 bets? Well the first bet after the first 6 bets is no problem, it was the total of the two previously bet amounts 8+5=13. Then the player just uses every previous second number going back in the sequence, 13+5+2+1=21. This is 4hands in total. Two hands less than it took to get to 6-hand $20 loss to start with.

As this post is already long enough, Iíll stop here and continue #@%&) apart Mr Bluejay in further posts, before I get back to OnceDear. I see I hit a raw nerve with Mr Bluejay already! God knows where heíll end up after Iíve finished with him!!!😃
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
unJon
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March 26th, 2021 at 7:56:45 PM permalink
Do I have this right?

Step 1: Create winning betting system.
Step 2: Brag about it on the internet but by no means use it in a casino.
Step 3: Defend it from all challengers through arguments about how it must work. But by no means use it in a casino.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
Last edited by: unnamed administrator on Mar 26, 2021
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
ChumpChange
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March 26th, 2021 at 8:55:17 PM permalink
People have been nuked from this website for less.
Wellbush
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March 26th, 2021 at 8:55:46 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Which is a worthless test. You'd need to play for thousands of hours to conclusively prove that the system actually works rather than just being lucky.

Saying your system is a winner is like saying you can choose some certain number of nickels and have the average be greater than 5¢. That's impossible, and it's why the math-literate know that you're wrong even without knowing the details of your system.

My article on betting systems gives four kinds of evidence for why betting systems can't beat the house.



From my previous post you will note I endeavoured to tease out the Fibonacci sequence, and how it uses less hands/rounds/bets, whatever you like to call it, to get into a winning position, than the number of hands it took to be in your previous losing position. This, my friends, is the underlying construct of my betting strategy. Not in its entirety of course, but the underlying construct nevertheless.

Now there are some apparently very highly qualified beings that say: "How can a series of negative numbers come up with a positive result?" You'll just have to forgive these highly intelligent beings for their ignorance. You'll see them jump up and down and post all sorts of ridiculous stuff coz even though they may in fact be highly intelligent, somehow the transition to their higher state has meant they now can't understand very simple maths!!!

I'll now say something about the "negative numbers can't become positive" line, that some of these highly intelligent beings, including Michael Shackleford, come up with. SINCE WHEN HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS IN THE NEGATIVE PROGRESSION BETTING STRATEGY, BEEN NEGATIVE??????

I just explained in this post and the last, how the negative progression Fibonacci sequence goes from being negative to positive. You don't even need 7th grade math , Mr Bluejay, to understand that -1-1-2-3-5-8+13+5+2+1= +1. Clearly, there are positive integers as well as negative integers in this sequence, that produce a positive result!!!!

I think many of you readers may be dumbfounded as to how the highly intelligent beings have missed such a simple point! I am totally dumbfounded by their =$#@)/ ignorance, too. But, we'll just have to put up with it. I doubt they'll ever concede. They'll probably go down fighting into ignorant Neverland, where they belong! They'll probably continue to spout irrelevant formulae, make baseless theories, follow continuous lines of illogical nonsense, but give in? Well, we'll probably never see it till the whole world is finally telling them that the Earth is a sphere, and not flat!!!
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
Wellbush
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March 26th, 2021 at 10:04:48 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Which is a worthless test. You'd need to play for thousands of hours to conclusively prove that the system actually works rather than just being lucky.

Saying your system is a winner is like saying you can choose some certain number of nickels and have the average be greater than 5¢. That's impossible, and it's why the math-literate know that you're wrong even without knowing the details of your system.

My article on betting systems gives four kinds of evidence for why betting systems can't beat the house.



Let me continue to pry apart Mr Bluejay, coz by so doing, it will probably unearth a lot that needs to be said on this issue. I'll get to OnceDear when I've finished with Mr Bluejay.

I think I made it pretty clear in my previous posts, that using a negative progression system of betting can theoretically turn a loss into a profit. I showed with simple math how this is possible. But what about real life? How do I overcome the long losing streaks a player suffers at the hands of the dealer?

Dealing with losing streaks is central to my strategy, which I'm not trying to sell here by the way. Just letting everyone know that in order to beat the dealer using this kind of strategy, it requires the player to deal with losing streaks. I have found a way to do it.

Not being able to deal with losing streaks may be one of the fundamental reasons why there has never been a betting strategy that beats the dealer. But mathematicians have been saying that it's theoretically impossible to beat the dealer using such a strategy. Don't be fooled by their ignorance. I will tear their theories apart and shove them in the bin, where they belong.

The problem has never been mathematical theory, it's been the continuously rising bet amounts that players have to fork out against losing streaks. It's never been improbable math at all. It's been the average player's lack of bankroll to keep up with the continuing rise in bets.

Now some of you readers may be cottoning on to where the real problem has lain for centuries - how to come up with a strategy that allows the player to stay in the game? How does a player using a negative progression betting strategy, overcome the long streaks that inevitably come, and put the bet sizes out of his reach, from where he can't stay in the game and is bankrupted?

I'll have more to say about this in the next post, but remember that there'll still be plenty of naysayers around saying that the problem is theory. You can ignore them as I tear their theories up and use simple math, which they don't seem to understand, to prove them wrong! Stay tuned dear readers.
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
Zcore13
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March 26th, 2021 at 10:23:00 PM permalink
You won't be around long, so good luck when you scrape up $2,000. I feel bad for you for more reasons than one.


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sabre
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March 26th, 2021 at 10:25:45 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush


I'll have more to say about this in the next post, but remember that there'll still be plenty of naysayers around saying that the problem is theory. You can ignore them as I tear their theories up and use simple math, which they don't seem to understand, to prove them wrong! Stay tuned dear readers.



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