billryan
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August 4th, 2026 at 11:23:25 PM permalink
I'd never heard of this, although I'm sure my accountant is aware. It seems like it should be better known.

Take a single man, 66 years old, collecting Social Security and on Medicare. $234 is witheld from his SS for Medicare. His Adjusted Income is $95,000 and he reports gambling winnings of $55,000 and losses of $58,000. The IRS considers his gambling a wash and he owes no more in tax. Two years go by and his Medicare deduction more than doubles. Medicare counts your winnings, but not your losses, so that $55,000 you "won" means your adjusted income was $150,000, not $95,000, and your medicare cost is doubled. Your 2027 Medicare deduction is based on your 2025 tax return. Next year, you'll only be able to deduct 90% of your losses and face a double whammy.
Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount. Is it a landmine or just more salesman's hype?
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odiousgambit
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August 5th, 2026 at 1:36:27 AM permalink
this sounds like the trap of AGI, adjusted gross income, being used to make certain determinations unfairly

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100xOdds
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August 5th, 2026 at 6:00:00 AM permalink
yeah, i plan to sell my house at age 63 so i dont get hit by irmma at age 65 for medicare.
and yeah about agi.
seems like medicare views w2-g winnings like the irs calcs agi
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billryan
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August 5th, 2026 at 6:35:23 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

yeah, i plan to sell my house at age 63 so i dont get hit by irmma at age 65 for medicare.
and yeah about agi.
seems like medicare views w2-g winnings like the irs calcs agi
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You might be eligible for an exemption on the sale of your main domicile, but you would need to talk to a tax poro about that.
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DRich
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August 5th, 2026 at 6:56:07 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

yeah, i plan to sell my house at age 63 so i dont get hit by irmma at age 65 for medicare.
and yeah about agi.
seems like medicare views w2-g winnings like the irs calcs agi
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I read something, I don't know if it is true, but it said your medicare payment at 65 is based on your income at age 63. I don't know the details but I still hope to retire in two years at 62 so my income will be down when I am 63.
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billryan
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August 5th, 2026 at 7:53:47 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: 100xOdds

yeah, i plan to sell my house at age 63 so i dont get hit by irmma at age 65 for medicare.
and yeah about agi.
seems like medicare views w2-g winnings like the irs calcs agi
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I read something, I don't know if it is true, but it said your medicare payment at 65 is based on your income at age 63. I don't know the details but I still hope to retire in two years at 62 so my income will be down when I am 63.
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Yes, 2027 premiums are based on 2025 income. If your individual income is under $95,000, you pay $234 per month, and your payments increase in brackets. That is the gist of it, but it wouldn't be Medicare if there weren't a few swerves to it. I don't know the brackets for married couples filing jointly.
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Mental
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August 5th, 2026 at 8:13:52 AM permalink
I asked AI if I was paying the top rate:

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At $689.90 per month, you are already paying the absolute maximum tier for your Medicare Part B base premium under the Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA) for high-income earners.

Understanding Your Premium Tier Current Status: Your $689.90 rate reflects the highest bracketed surcharge for individuals with a modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) over $500,000 (or over $750,000 for married couples filing jointly) based on your tax return from two years prior. Absolute Maximum: Because you are at the top bracket, $689.90 is the highest standard Part B IRMAA tier charged.


I file as a pro gambler, so I do not report my W2-G income, just my net gambling income. For 2026, this will include some phantom income from the 90% cap on gambling deductions.
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