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March 24th, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM permalink
Please report the results when you try it in a real casino. What bankroll will you be bringing? What are the table minimums where you play?
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March 24th, 2021 at 7:50:54 PM permalink
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The only reason I see that so called experts dispute me, is that besides card counting, no-one's apparently ever been able to beat the casinos consistently.!

That is totally incorrect, not even the so-called experts here claim that. There are many examples of other casino games and situations other than card counting where people have an advantage and win consistently and they will keep on winning. The so-called experts claim (with mathematical proof) there is no betting system that can beat a negative expectation game in the long run. You and others may win for a long time using a system, but that doesn't mean your system works. If everyone used your system the net total would be a loss to the system players.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 25th, 2021 at 3:11:03 AM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

I don't know the specific info you're asking for.

Quite simple. You showed a table where you had a mix of Player and Dealer wins and seemed to be of the opinion that because you ended as a winner even though Dealer hand won more often, that that somehow validated your idea. So I asked for an example that had more Player wins than dealer wins. One where i expected a net loss outcome.
As expected, you countered that by apparently asserting that you would somehow avoid the outcome of 6 consecutive Dealer Wins, so my suggested results would not occur: That your algorithm 'doesn't allow for long losing streaks'
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I think I previously stated that when I experience 5 losses in a row from a dealer, I miss some hands and drop down to the minimum bet a few times. I then take up again where I was in the Fibonacci sequence at the end of the losing streak.

Sorry to disappoint you, but you don't get to avoid long losing streaks. 'Not by sitting out a few hands', nor by 'dropping down to minimum bets a few times'. After you've sat out or dropped down and you 'take up again where I was' there is no power on heaven or earth that will stop you losing the next hand as the streak also 'takes up where it was'
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
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March 25th, 2021 at 3:32:01 AM permalink
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I haven't heard anyone with a practical basis as to why my simple logic is wrong. I am using my strategy on various free gaming sites. I haven't had a losing session since I stumbled upon the strategy. When I get some dosh together, I will be going down to my local and trialing it there.



let me give you a very simple advise > please go to a real casino and play your strategy (not a free one) and let us know your result.
Free ones just don't count! Trust me

cheers
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March 25th, 2021 at 4:57:52 AM permalink
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...I've been putting my strategy to the test lately, and it seems to be coming up trumps all the time!...

This is from your initial post. Note the use of the word "seems".

None of us doubt you may have run into a lucky streak and are ahead - whether this is on Blackjack, Roulette of whatever - and have been able to avoid a tragic losing session.

What is in doubt is whether you can truly avoid the losing session, that mathematically will eventually come.


The one thing cannot be done is saying if a certain situation ever comes a different system would have worked - you cannot use statements like (when the losing streak ends...).
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March 25th, 2021 at 6:10:16 AM permalink
Blackjack is a terribly losing game until you add back in the wins on splits, double downs, and blackjacks, hence never play 6:5 blackjack.
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March 25th, 2021 at 6:32:59 AM permalink
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Blackjack is a terribly losing game until you add back in the wins on splits, double downs, and blackjacks, hence never play 6:5 blackjack.

And if considering ANY negative progression betting pattern, such as Martingale, ALWAYS have enough funds to play out any requisite double or split opportunities. Not much worse than playing a marty with your last '5h1t or bust all in wager' only to be dealt a pair of aces and be too broke to split them. Thus being forced to play bad strategy. Depending on splitting rules you may need to hold back quite a reserve: E.g you might have enough funds to split those aces and then be dealt two more aces to them with the opportunity to resplit again being stymied by lack of funds. Those are the hands that you remember because they make or break you.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
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March 26th, 2021 at 6:37:03 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quite simple. You showed a table where you had a mix of Player and Dealer wins and seemed to be of the opinion that because you ended as a winner even though Dealer hand won more often, that that somehow validated your idea. So I asked for an example that had more Player wins than dealer wins. One where i expected a net loss outcome.
As expected, you countered that by apparently asserting that you would somehow avoid the outcome of 6 consecutive Dealer Wins, so my suggested results would not occur: That your algorithm 'doesn't allow for long losing streaks'
Sorry to disappoint you, but you don't get to avoid long losing streaks. 'Not by sitting out a few hands', nor by 'dropping down to minimum bets a few times'. After you've sat out or dropped down and you 'take up again where I was' there is no power on heaven or earth that will stop you losing the next hand as the streak also 'takes up where it was'



No, I haven't countered until now, and I haven't been disappointed. Simply because the longer this attempt by so called experts to disprove the strategy I have stumbled upon, the more I think it could be a winner. And I use the terms "seem" and "could" not because I know the strategy to be flawed, but because a genuine bet-size strategy, according to all available literature, has until now never been achieved! So I'm not gonna unequivocally state that it finally has been achieved until the strategy has been fully tested, and/or it's underlying construct debunked.

As I have already stated that I have been working on a bet strategy for some months now, and tried many types that I have meticulously tested and found to fail, I think it is only reasonable that I mention to some who may assist me on this topic, when I seem to have come across something worth bottling. So let me answer OnceDear's practical suggestion to tabulate my strategy against streaks. I'll submit it in the next post, shortly......
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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March 26th, 2021 at 6:57:30 AM permalink
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I would think that it's quite reasonable to have a mature discussion on this website (which I think you've previously stated), rather than a belittling one, about the topic at hand.

Betamount ($)Winner (P-player, D-dealer)Running total ($)
1.50P50
2.50D0
3.80D-80
4.130P50
5.50P100
6.50D50
7.80D-30
8.130D-160
9.210D-370
10.340P-30
11.130D-160
12.210P50
13.80D-30
14.130P100



Wellbush. You know your system inside out. Please assist me with one simple worked example.
Redo this table where the player wins the first 8 games and loses the last 6.Maybe extend it to 15 hands where dealer wins the last 7



Bet Amount Winner Running Total
1 50 P 50
2 50 P 100
3 50 P 150
4 50 P 200
5 50 P 250
6 50 P 300
7 50 P 350
8 50 P 400
9 50 D 350
10 80 D 270
11 130 D 140
12 210 D -70
13 340 D -410
14 pass pass -410
15 Min. Bet 15 D -425

I'll just leave things here for now, to allow for comments 😊
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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March 26th, 2021 at 6:57:36 AM permalink
Strategies work when you're winning, and they fail when you're not. There's no fool-proof strategy. Just opportunities to win that turn on the luck of the cards, dice or roulette ball. Having a strategy to meetup with the lucky streak you're looking for can possibly maximize profits. You may win for 25 to 50 hits ahead, then comes the 50-200 dud losing streak.

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