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May 23rd, 2021 at 8:51:08 AM permalink
It was beyond unconscionable that ANY state continued to allow smoking, indoors during the pandemic. Here in Nevada where the Governor was the biggest mask and science proponent I’ve ever seen...he STILL allowed removal of masks...to smoke in casinos...during a respiratory viral pandemic. Not just cigs...but vaping and cigar smoking as well.

Zero respect for the guy. Indefensible.

His office was asked about the issue OVER and OVER. He ignored the question every single time. His standard response was “next question”.

He couldn’t answer. He would look foolish trying to come up with a coherent answer.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 9:46:44 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

It was beyond unconscionable that ANY state continued to allow smoking, indoors during the pandemic. Here in Nevada where the Governor was the biggest mask and science proponent I’ve ever seen...he STILL allowed removal of masks...to smoke in casinos...during a respiratory viral pandemic. Not just cigs...but vaping and cigar smoking as well.

Zero respect for the guy. Indefensible.

His office was asked about the issue OVER and OVER. He ignored the question every single time. His standard response was “next question”.

He couldn’t answer. He would look foolish trying to come up with a coherent answer.



I fully agree. And, I had no problem with a temporary ban as it was an extreme circumstance.

But, as things are renormalizing and masks are going away, its good (in my view) that smoking is coming back to casinos.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 11:07:36 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

I fully agree. And, I had no problem with a temporary ban as it was an extreme circumstance.

But, as things are renormalizing and masks are going away, its good (in my view) that smoking is coming back to casinos.


I disagree it’s good from a public health perspective. You can obviously say it’s good from a business or “freedom lives” type of argument...but from a health perspective, it’s just a bad allowance. With everything we now know about the health ramifications for smokers and non smokers...the time is long past in a society where it’s been dumped in just about every public venue and private business.

Whether or not a smoking ban hurts business, IMO, my guess is not likely. Smokers who gamble aren’t giving up nor curtailing their visits because they can’t smoke. They will simply walk outside, get their fix and come back in. I know many who don’t smoke who visit casinos and after a while they will say they are “smoked out”...meaning they’ve had enough and are ready to go. They would likely stay longer if smoking wasn’t allowed.

To put it in its most simplistic form...no non smoker wants to breath in the stench of cigarette smoke.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 2:32:49 PM permalink
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Atlantic City suffered greatly this past year, this is not the time for people to push a smoking ban.

Did I miss a memo?

Did AC or the AC casinos suffer more during the pandemic than other casinos or casino towns?

I think it’s the PERFECT time for the permanent ban.

While covid was a great excuse to ban smoking while the other rules were in place, the recovery with the restrictions is evidence that the casinos would be fine despite a permanent smoking ban.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 3:19:38 PM permalink
Ohio did not give casinos any exceptions to the indoor smoking laws. Casinos have responded with elaborate smoking-allowed gaming "patios". Seems like a perfect solution.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 3:20:12 PM permalink
This was a typical Governor Sisolak press conference during the pandemic...

Governor: dammit, people are dying. I need you all to mask up. This is serious. No joke.
Review Journal: Governor, will people be allowed to smoke in casinos?
Governor: next question
Las Vegas Sun: considering this is a respiratory viral pandemic, what about mask removal to smoke on casino floors?
Governor: next question
CDC: Governor, we seriously implore you to ban smoking during the worst of the pandemic
Governor: next question
AMA: Governor, we advise not to allow smoking in casinos, during this pandemic
Governor: next question

Governor: dammit you people, this virus is no joke and we will 100% follow the science.
Reno Gazette: what science expert advised you that smoking on the casino floor was an ok idea?
Governor: next question

Speaking personally, my respect for this Governor is about ZERO.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 4:48:06 PM permalink
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Agree TD. Smokers are just selfish people. Their drug dependence trumps your health especially the captive dealers.



I disagree with this post completely.

It seems that we have some people in the thread who thinks the Government should step in and ban smoking in casinos in those jurisdictions in which it is still permitted.

The above-quoted post puts the responsibility on the smokers.

I'm going to make the following short points:

1.) Why do we need State Governments having more control of what people do or don't do?

2.) If smokers are permitted to smoke in casinos, then they are permitted to smoke in casinos. I recently quit, but calling smokers, "Selfish," is also an over-generalization. For my part, if I wasn't already seated at a machine (and intended to smoke) then I'd sit down and ask those around me if they mind (unless they were all already smoking). As far as dealers are concerned, though I don't play Table Games often, I'd ask them if I was the only one at the table.

3.) There's one entity that can ban smoking on property anytime that they wish---the property. Clearly, one must assume that the property believes that allowing smoking is better for the bottom line than banning smoking on property. In short, if you're going to accuse any entity of being selfish and unconcerned with the, "Captive dealers," then blame the property for not banning smoking. They could do it on their own anytime they wish.

4.) Being non-smoking (in an area that allows smoking) could also have marketability, but the general consensus (based on what the properties actually do---when they have the option) seems to be that allowing for smoking is more profitable.

5.) Finally, casinos are establishments for adult entertainment. Nobody needs to go to a casino. It's for each (non-smoker) person to simply decide whether or not the benefits of going to the property outweigh the cost of being exposed to smoke. Or, in the alternative, try to get a petition signed to present to a particular property to get them to become non-smoking of their own accord.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 4:49:17 PM permalink
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Total Bullshit. What percentage of adults smoke? And they should rule the lungs of the not so selfish, stupid customers? What about the dealers who have no say about the risks they have to face. Medically this has been settled 57 years ago. End smoking and life will go on, they are also addicted to gambling, castrate them all, so they can’t multiply. (Sarcasm)



The dealers do have a say. Were they not aware that the property allowed smoking when they applied for the job?
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May 23rd, 2021 at 5:28:57 PM permalink
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I disagree with this post completely.

It seems that we have some people in the thread who thinks the Government should step in and ban smoking in casinos in those jurisdictions in which it is still permitted.

The above-quoted post puts the responsibility on the smokers.

I'm going to make the following short points:

1.) Why do we need State Governments having more control of what people do or don't do?

2.) If smokers are permitted to smoke in casinos, then they are permitted to smoke in casinos. I recently quit, but calling smokers, "Selfish," is also an over-generalization. For my part, if I wasn't already seated at a machine (and intended to smoke) then I'd sit down and ask those around me if they mind (unless they were all already smoking). As far as dealers are concerned, though I don't play Table Games often, I'd ask them if I was the only one at the table.

3.) There's one entity that can ban smoking on property anytime that they wish---the property. Clearly, one must assume that the property believes that allowing smoking is better for the bottom line than banning smoking on property. In short, if you're going to accuse any entity of being selfish and unconcerned with the, "Captive dealers," then blame the property for not banning smoking. They could do it on their own anytime they wish.

4.) Being non-smoking (in an area that allows smoking) could also have marketability, but the general consensus (based on what the properties actually do---when they have the option) seems to be that allowing for smoking is more profitable.

5.) Finally, casinos are establishments for adult entertainment. Nobody needs to go to a casino. It's for each (non-smoker) person to simply decide whether or not the benefits of going to the property outweigh the cost of being exposed to smoke. Or, in the alternative, try to get a petition signed to present to a particular property to get them to become non-smoking of their own accord.



I agree completely with most of that.

My one push back is, I do think local (city-level) governments should have the ability to regulate smoking, as they are generally more accurate to the needs of the local citizens (and can generally more easily modify an ordinance if it is found to be too stringent like in AC, where at State levels this type of thing can takes years...) But, it should in ideal circumstances be up to the property owner. And, if the property owner has a policy that offends their employees and customers, they will lose out to competitors who do the opposite.

We are seeing a trend with some casinos opening (or changing) to be 100% smokefree on their own. This is great, if they are more popular than other casinos will naturally follow. And, there will end up being a mix of smoking casinos, nonsmoking casinos, and probably some mixed (with designated sections). And, you can choose where to play and where to work. If the State bans it for all casinos across the State, then 100% of casinos will be smokefree.

I like your last point because that is what I have been trying to say (perhaps poorly), casinos are adult entertainment where people go to indulge in adult vices none of which are probably good for your health overall (whether it be physical or mental), but people choose to go knowing the risk (or perhaps because of the risk).

Nonsmokers already have the majority of the world (in most cases rightfully so). But, don't go to a casino that allows smoking, and then go specifically to a smoking section (less than 25% of the casino) and then complain about second hand smoke, that is my issue.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 6:42:28 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I disagree with this post completely.

It seems that we have some people in the thread who thinks the Government should step in and ban smoking in casinos in those jurisdictions in which it is still permitted.

The above-quoted post puts the responsibility on the smokers.

I'm going to make the following short points:

1.) Why do we need State Governments having more control of what people do or don't do?

2.) If smokers are permitted to smoke in casinos, then they are permitted to smoke in casinos. I recently quit, but calling smokers, "Selfish," is also an over-generalization. For my part, if I wasn't already seated at a machine (and intended to smoke) then I'd sit down and ask those around me if they mind (unless they were all already smoking). As far as dealers are concerned, though I don't play Table Games often, I'd ask them if I was the only one at the table.

3.) There's one entity that can ban smoking on property anytime that they wish---the property. Clearly, one must assume that the property believes that allowing smoking is better for the bottom line than banning smoking on property. In short, if you're going to accuse any entity of being selfish and unconcerned with the, "Captive dealers," then blame the property for not banning smoking. They could do it on their own anytime they wish.

4.) Being non-smoking (in an area that allows smoking) could also have marketability, but the general consensus (based on what the properties actually do---when they have the option) seems to be that allowing for smoking is more profitable.

5.) Finally, casinos are establishments for adult entertainment. Nobody needs to go to a casino. It's for each (non-smoker) person to simply decide whether or not the benefits of going to the property outweigh the cost of being exposed to smoke. Or, in the alternative, try to get a petition signed to present to a particular property to get them to become non-smoking of their own accord.


State governments have banned smoking in just about every venue known to man....public and private. Smoking in casinos has stayed for one reason and one reason only...money to politicians. The lobby arm of casinos is far and above stronger and better funded than the lobby arms of malls, theaters, stadiums, retail stores, etc, etc.

If it’s better for the bottom line in Vegas...it’s because there are a few whales from Asia that adds a healthy chunk to the bottom line, and they want to smoke. Casinos cave. I highly doubt the 20% smoking are doing more action than the 80% who don’t. It’s the Asian whales. Even Murren admitted that.

Nobody needs to go to the theater. Nobody needs to go to a Raiders game. Nobody needs to go to an indoor concert. We’ve made the right decision there. Banned smoking.

Casinos are the hold out for one reason and one reason only...political clout tied to money.

Your argument would hold water IF it was left up to the business. It is not left up to the business anymore (sans casinos) because the state has decided the health risks outweigh the freedom to do as you please.

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