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May 23rd, 2021 at 7:25:06 PM permalink
Deep bullshit rolling in. The casino dealer should have the same right as another worker for a smoke free environment. Why is this allowed to happen in a casino? Fear of losing a dollar to the selfish drug addicted smoker.
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May 23rd, 2021 at 7:27:44 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

State governments have banned smoking in just about every venue known to man....public and private. Smoking in casinos has stayed for one reason and one reason only...money to politicians. The lobby arm of casinos is far and above stronger and better funded than the lobby arms of malls, theaters, stadiums, retail stores, etc, etc.



Malls---Kids
Theaters---Kids
Stadiums---Kids
Retail Stores---Kids

I'm going to say swing and a miss, strike one. Of course, that just makes banning one and not the other defensible, which is if you think the state (rather than more localized jurisdictions) should be doing it in the first place.

That said, maybe it is lobbying money. Money or no money, that kids are allowed to be in those types of venues, and not casinos, at least makes the no-ban defensible.

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If it’s better for the bottom line in Vegas...it’s because there are a few whales from Asia that adds a healthy chunk to the bottom line, and they want to smoke. Casinos cave. I highly doubt the 20% smoking are doing more action than the 80% who don’t. It’s the Asian whales. Even Murren admitted that.



The, "Casinos cave?" What do you mean, "Cave?" As opposed to when smoking was not allowed in Nevada casinos?

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Nobody needs to go to the theater. Nobody needs to go to a Raiders game. Nobody needs to go to an indoor concert. We’ve made the right decision there. Banned smoking.

Casinos are the hold out for one reason and one reason only...political clout tied to money.

Your argument would hold water IF it was left up to the business. It is not left up to the business anymore (sans casinos) because the state has decided the health risks outweigh the freedom to do as you please.



Kids can go to all of those venues, and you're also wrong. Some jurisdictions allow smoking in bars, but not restaurants. Why? Kids don't go to bars. Ohio County, West Virginia allows smoking in all gambling establishments (or gambling rooms within other establishments). Why? No kids.

It just varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but where there is a difference, it's usually because it's an adults-only establishment.
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Mission146
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May 23rd, 2021 at 7:36:52 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Deep bullshit rolling in. The casino dealer should have the same right as another worker for a smoke free environment. Why is this allowed to happen in a casino? Fear of losing a dollar to the selfish drug addicted smoker.



The casino dealer should have the, “Right,” to a smoke-free environment?

The casino dealer does have that, “Right,” he or she has the right to work somewhere that doesn’t allow smoking.

Did they apply to be dealers and accept the job, or were they coerced into the position under threat of death?

What a specious argument! People would prefer for casinos to be non-smoking, so all of a sudden, they care about the working conditions of the dealers?

I’m still confused why the smokers themselves are the, “Selfish,” ones. They’re simply doing what the establishment allows them to do. If you’re going to make an argument that anyone is selfish, then it would be casino ownership.

The smokers are certainly not the ones enriched by the establishment allowing smoking. Have you seen what casinos charge for a pack of smokes?
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May 24th, 2021 at 4:10:22 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

State governments have banned smoking in just about every venue known to man....public and private. Smoking in casinos has stayed for one reason and one reason only...money to politicians. The lobby arm of casinos is far and above stronger and better funded than the lobby arms of malls, theaters, stadiums, retail stores, etc, etc.

If it’s better for the bottom line in Vegas...it’s because there are a few whales from Asia that adds a healthy chunk to the bottom line, and they want to smoke. Casinos cave. I highly doubt the 20% smoking are doing more action than the 80% who don’t. It’s the Asian whales. Even Murren admitted that.

Nobody needs to go to the theater. Nobody needs to go to a Raiders game. Nobody needs to go to an indoor concert. We’ve made the right decision there. Banned smoking.

Casinos are the hold out for one reason and one reason only...political clout tied to money.

Your argument would hold water IF it was left up to the business. It is not left up to the business anymore (sans casinos) because the state has decided the health risks outweigh the freedom to do as you please.



(Emphasis mine).

I am pretty sure that the figure I read (which I cannot find at the moment), is that the majority of gaming revenue comes from smokers (something like 55%). This is a combination of people who smoke tend to gamble more in general, and like you said, certain wealthy people from foreign countries where smoking is still normalized come to U.S. casinos to gamble. So if this figure is accurate, it means that a minority (20%) contributes the bulk of revenue. I find this believable.
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May 24th, 2021 at 4:21:49 AM permalink
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How did you survive prior to 1990?



Revoltingly. Plus I grew up in a small apartment and my parents smoked SEVEN packs of cigarettes per day between them. My mother sometimes would light a cigarette while the previous one was still smoldering.

I survived, but maybe I have PTSD? (Post traumatic smoking disorder?)
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May 24th, 2021 at 5:34:08 AM permalink
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Malls---Kids
Theaters---Kids
Stadiums---Kids
Retail Stores---Kids

I'm going to say swing and a miss, strike one. Of course, that just makes banning one and not the other defensible, which is if you think the state (rather than more localized jurisdictions) should be doing it in the first place.

That said, maybe it is lobbying money. Money or no money, that kids are allowed to be in those types of venues, and not casinos, at least makes the no-ban defensible.



The, "Casinos cave?" What do you mean, "Cave?" As opposed to when smoking was not allowed in Nevada casinos?



Kids can go to all of those venues, and you're also wrong. Some jurisdictions allow smoking in bars, but not restaurants. Why? Kids don't go to bars. Ohio County, West Virginia allows smoking in all gambling establishments (or gambling rooms within other establishments). Why? No kids.

It just varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but where there is a difference, it's usually because it's an adults-only establishment.

Do strip clubs allow smoking ,or night clubs? If so there goes the kids allowed arguments.
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May 24th, 2021 at 6:59:30 AM permalink
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Do strip clubs allow smoking ,or night clubs? If so there goes the kids allowed arguments.



In Nevada? No idea; I do not go to either of those two things. I should assume that smoking would be allowed in strip clubs if it is in a jurisdiction in which smoking is allowed in bars. I've been to two strip clubs, lifetime, and smoking was permitted in both. Of course, the most recent of those was more than fifteen years ago.

Maybe I will make some calls and find out for you, though I'm pretty sure you'll find jurisdictions in which you can smoke in a strip club.

I don't know what you mean by, "Night club." That's just a fancy bar. I'm sure if those are non-smoking (in a jurisdiction in which smoking is otherwise permitted in bars), then it is at the choice of the night club.

Also, I hope you're not confusing my position on this. I have no problem with the owners of a particular location choosing not to allow smoking; that's who should be choosing it.
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May 24th, 2021 at 11:20:26 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Malls---Kids
Theaters---Kids
Stadiums---Kids
Retail Stores---Kids

I'm going to say swing and a miss, strike one. Of course, that just makes banning one and not the other defensible, which is if you think the state (rather than more localized jurisdictions) should be doing it in the first place.

That said, maybe it is lobbying money. Money or no money, that kids are allowed to be in those types of venues, and not casinos, at least makes the no-ban defensible.



The, "Casinos cave?" What do you mean, "Cave?" As opposed to when smoking was not allowed in Nevada casinos?



Kids can go to all of those venues, and you're also wrong. Some jurisdictions allow smoking in bars, but not restaurants. Why? Kids don't go to bars. Ohio County, West Virginia allows smoking in all gambling establishments (or gambling rooms within other establishments). Why? No kids.

It just varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but where there is a difference, it's usually because it's an adults-only establishment.


If “kids allowed” is the argument...then why was smoking banned in just about every office building and workplace? Don’t remember seeing too many kids at the law offices, accounting offices, factory floors or warehouse. The idea is protecting everyone from the ramifications of second hand smoking or smoking in general....not just kids.
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May 24th, 2021 at 11:46:57 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

If “kids allowed” is the argument...then why was smoking banned in just about every office building and workplace? Don’t remember seeing too many kids at the law offices, accounting offices, factory floors or warehouse. The idea is protecting everyone from the ramifications of second hand smoking or smoking in general....not just kids.



That's also an easy answer: It depends on the jurisdiction. It always does.

For example, Ohio is one state in which the public smoking ban also applies to workplaces, or there might have been a workplace smoking ban---don't remember. Ohio also has it such that the indoor smoking ban prohibits smoking within x (don't remember) feet of an entrance to an establishment, but I have absolutely never heard of that actually being enforced. Ohio directly said that, while long-haul truck drivers are not legally exempt, the law would not actually be enforced on them.

If you go to jurisdictions that have a general indoor smoking ban, then those smoking bans are automatically inclusive and can only be exclusive on a specific basis. For example, if your workplace is a bar or gambling parlor (depending on County), then you can smoke in there.

More than that, and this could be faulty memory, but I want to say that most office buildings and workplaces either never allowed smoking to begin with, or alternatively, had a separate break room for that purpose.

If pressed, I imagine that I could find a state or lower jurisdiction that does the law on an inclusive basis, meaning that they list places in which one cannot smoke, rather than not smoking indoors being the default position.

Anyway, "Office building and workplace," is cheap. That's like asking me, "Why can't you smoke in doctors offices?"

I also don't know if this is decisive, but it seems good enough:

http://employeerights.info/2/grubblawgroup/state-smoking-rights-workplace

Here are some notables:

Alabama: For the most part, if the location doesn't take a position on it, employees decide whether or not smoking is allowed in a particular area of the workplace.

Alaska: Apparently, you CAN smoke in a restaurant if it seats less than fifty people.

Arizona: Non-smoking is default indoors. The law is exclusive, which means a statute must specifically allow exceptions and name them.

Arkansas: You may not smoke in an enclosed area with three, or more, employees. Also, bars if nobody under 21 is allowed in allow smoking.

So, again, no categorical statement can be made about workplaces or offices. It depends. That said, and as it should be, the property owner can decide for themselves to make a property non-smoking anytime they wish.
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May 24th, 2021 at 11:59:16 AM permalink
Think of it like, "No shirt, no shoes, no service."

That's generally not a law; it's a property barrier to entry. Legally, with no sign to the contrary, I could walk into 7-11 wearing only a banana hammock.

Same thing with workplace smoking. It's not allowed indoors in many workplaces, including in states where there may not be a specific law preventing it.
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