Gandler
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May 21st, 2021 at 3:45:01 PM permalink
It seems that smoking is to be resumed in Atlantic City in June.

I find this to be a welcome return (and it seemed silly to keep smoking banned while eating and drinking were permitted, I understood the full consumption ban). I was fearful that NJ would use this to keep smoking banned forever in AC (which would be a bad move).


https://www.casino.org/news/atlantic-city-casinos-to-welcome-back-smokers-next-month/
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May 21st, 2021 at 3:47:29 PM permalink
Thats too bad. For almost a year, smoking has been banned in Nevada casinos inside the pit. Just goes to show that people will still play even if smoking is not permitted
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May 21st, 2021 at 4:16:47 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Thats too bad. For almost a year, smoking has been banned in Nevada casinos inside the pit. Just goes to show that people will still play even if smoking is not permitted



I think the Atlantic City model was extremely fair to begin with. Smoking is allowed in casinos by State Law (NJ). Atlantic City (which is the only City that has casinos in NJ) decided to limit this at a City-level by mandating that at least 75% be smoke-free. So, the vast majority of the casino is already non-smoking. I do not think that allowing smoking sections detracts from anyone's experience.

I was not aware of any Nevada ban? Was it just policy at certain casinos during precautions?
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May 21st, 2021 at 5:18:12 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

It seems that smoking is to be resumed in Atlantic City in June.

I find this to be a welcome return (and it seemed silly to keep smoking banned while eating and drinking were permitted, I understood the full consumption ban). I was fearful that NJ would use this to keep smoking banned forever in AC (which would be a bad move).


https://www.casino.org/news/atlantic-city-casinos-to-welcome-back-smokers-next-month/


Thatís really too bad.
This was the cityís and states chance to do the right thing. How you can compare smoking with eating and drinking is ludicrous.
The 75% non smoking system is a joke.
Thankfully now there are enough states with non smoking casinos so I donít have to go to smoking ones.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
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May 21st, 2021 at 7:00:15 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Thatís really too bad.
This was the cityís and states chance to do the right thing. How you can compare smoking with eating and drinking is ludicrous.
The 75% non smoking system is a joke.
Thankfully now there are enough states with non smoking casinos so I donít have to go to smoking ones.




Why is it a joke? Why is it okay for other States to have total smoking, but NJ allowing even in limited controlled areas is over the line? I think 75/25 is a very fair breakdown for the percentage of smokers in casinos.

As for comparing it to eating and drinking, its all consumables. At first NJ casinos were allowed to reopen with no eating, drinking, or smoking (so that everyone would have to wear a mask at all times inside). This was then rolled back to allow all three, however there was outrage that smoking was allowed, so within 1 or 2 days after full consumables being allowed indoors, smoking was individually banned. If you are allowed to have your mask off while actively eating or drinking (which in a casino is virtually constantly), you are already demasked, does banning smoking slow the spread? How much more would people lower their masks to smoke (my guess is very little since people tend to smoke while they already have a drink in their hand.....)?
My thought process is simple, either ban all indoor consumables and mandate masks at all times indoors, or allow all, banning just smoking did not seem to make sense. Of course its a moot point now, but that was my view at the time.

As for your last point, exactly, there are nonsmoking casinos, if casinos that even have separated sections do not appeal to you, go to a nonsmoking casino. There is no reason to mandate that every casino in the state be 100% smoke free. It should be a local issue. And, I think AC's Policy (the 75/25 is a city-level law), is reasonable. If casinos ever get permitted in other cities in NJ they can determine what is right for their city. When it comes to smoking, NJ gets a lot wrong, but speaking strictly for casinos they have it right (permitted in casinos subject to local regulation, and then localities can determine what works for them, at one point in the mid 2000s, AC completely banned smoking, it did not work out and was quickly reversed).

Atlantic City suffered greatly this past year, this is not the time for people to push a smoking ban (which is what some in the local media seemed to be hoping for, that the smoking ban would end up being permanent, at which point it has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with restricting smoking indoors).
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May 21st, 2021 at 8:04:08 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Why is it a joke? Why is it okay for other States to have total smoking, but NJ allowing even in limited controlled areas is over the line? I think 75/25 is a very fair breakdown for the percentage of smokers in casinos.

As for comparing it to eating and drinking, its all consumables. At first NJ casinos were allowed to reopen with no eating, drinking, or smoking (so that everyone would have to wear a mask at all times inside). This was then rolled back to allow all three, however there was outrage that smoking was allowed, so within 1 or 2 days after full consumables being allowed indoors, smoking was individually banned. If you are allowed to have your mask off while actively eating or drinking (which in a casino is virtually constantly), you are already demasked, does banning smoking slow the spread? How much more would people lower their masks to smoke (my guess is very little since people tend to smoke while they already have a drink in their hand.....)?
My thought process is simple, either ban all indoor consumables and mandate masks at all times indoors, or allow all, banning just smoking did not seem to make sense. Of course its a moot point now, but that was my view at the time.

As for your last point, exactly, there are nonsmoking casinos, if casinos that even have separated sections do not appeal to you, go to a nonsmoking casino. There is no reason to mandate that every casino in the state be 100% smoke free. It should be a local issue. And, I think AC's Policy (the 75/25 is a city-level law), is reasonable. If casinos ever get permitted in other cities in NJ they can determine what is right for their city. When it comes to smoking, NJ gets a lot wrong, but speaking strictly for casinos they have it right (permitted in casinos subject to local regulation, and then localities can determine what works for them, at one point in the mid 2000s, AC completely banned smoking, it did not work out and was quickly reversed).

Atlantic City suffered greatly this past year, this is not the time for people to push a smoking ban (which is what some in the local media seemed to be hoping for, that the smoking ban would end up being permanent, at which point it has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with restricting smoking indoors).


When AC banned smoking around 2008 it coincided with the recession and also with casinos opening in Pa , business was down everywhere but the casinos quickly reacted and blamed it on non smoking.
The 75/25% solution unless it has improved was a joke. One table would be nonsmoking and the table right next to it would be smoking without any barrier.
It was enforced lackadaisically,.
Just because all three , eating , drinking and smoking are consumables doesnít make them equal. Yes for mask usage they are similar but can you clearly not see how smoking affects other people compared to eating and drinking?
Yes consumers have a choice to avoid smoking casinos but many of the employees really need their jobs.
Yes I realize they donít have to work at the smoking places but coal miners donít have to work in the mines either. Some people just donít have many choices and are forced to put up with it.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
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May 21st, 2021 at 8:15:19 PM permalink
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Thankfully now there are enough states with non smoking casinos so I donít have to go to smoking ones.



Everyone is as thankful as you are....you realized that you never had to go anywhere.

Congratulations.
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May 21st, 2021 at 8:40:32 PM permalink
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Everyone is as thankful as you are....you realized that you never had to go anywhere.

Congratulations.


Thank you, now donít you have to go walk your dog?
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May 21st, 2021 at 9:05:51 PM permalink
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Thank you, now donít you have to go walk your dog?



Nope, I don't have to go anywhere...same as you don't have to go anywhere.
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May 21st, 2021 at 10:47:39 PM permalink
Smoking indoors has effectively been restricted or banned nationwide. The casinos have gotten away with it because of their political lobbying. Itís a tired allowance. The health risks are far too great for customers and employees re second hand smoke.

I cannot under any circumstance equate mask removal to eat or drink with mask removal to blow the contents of your smoke filled lungs on anything and everything during a RESPIRATORY....VIRAL....Pandemic. Makes no sense whatsoever. Itís also reason why the Governor of Nevada was never following the science. What science or expert advised him mask removal was A-OK....to blow smoke or vape or cigar smoke during a pandemic?

There is no science..nor expert who advised him this was a tolerable allowance. Money talked. Not science. Or health.

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