Coronavirus math
September 21st, 2023 at 10:46:40 AM
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My insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
September 21st, 2023 at 10:58:58 AM
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Quote: JoemanMy insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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Ditto.
September 21st, 2023 at 11:18:42 AM
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Ehhh delete it
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September 21st, 2023 at 11:23:57 AM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
Then why do we need a vaccine if it's so survivable.
Why don't you ask your primary care physician? I'm sure he would be happy to enlighten you.
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I did and he didn't care one way or the other. Get it don't get it it was all the same to him. He's really young maybe 35? He's not much of a vaccine person, I don't think he has much faith in them. He knows big Pharma runs modern medicine and he resents it. I'm sure in another 10 years he will have completely sold out because it's easier to just go with the flow then to fight it all the time.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 21st, 2023 at 11:26:54 AM
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Quote: JoemanMy insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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Absolutely. It's the only thing I don't have a copay on, seeing my primary care doctor. He's a young guy but he's also the best trained doctor I've ever had because he is so young. Medicine changes so quickly now that you can't keep up with it if you're a doctor and my other doctors who are in their 50s and 60s, they're training was all done decades ago.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 21st, 2023 at 11:41:06 AM
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\Quote: EvenBobQuote: JoemanMy insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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Absolutely. It's the only thing I don't have a copay on, seeing my primary care doctor. He's a young guy but he's also the best trained doctor I've ever had because he is so young. Medicine changes so quickly now that you can't keep up with it if you're a doctor and my other doctors who are in their 50s and 60s, they're training was all done decades ago.
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It is called continuing education, EB. Board certifications require it. This post shows just out of touch some folks can be.
tuttigym
September 21st, 2023 at 1:00:17 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: rawtuffQuote: AZDuffmanAs to the consequences well they are all on me.
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Getting severely ill and hospitalized in disproportionately high rates, they take medical resources and personnel away from the rest of the patients making it harder or impossible to address the needs of the chronically ill, scheduled interventions or checks or other victims of the virus or other health emergency. While it all could have been avoided or at least minimized if mass vaccination was their choice.
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The problem with this is that we have not seen massive numbers of unvaxed folks taking up resources. No rooms full or people in iron lungs like when polio was still out there. Meanwhile we are told the vax does not prevent covid just makes the symptoms lesser.
Really this comes down to some of us are justified skeptics and others are born conformists. As for myself I have seen too much from the inside to trust business or government. I cannot speak for EB but my guess is he saw so much of the bad side of human nature when he owned his bar to trust things. Meanwhile, others here were taught that to conform is to be a good citizen so by gosh conform. This is why we see the same divides on other issues which I will not name to avoid going off topic.
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Sorry to break it to you, but you just conform to the same alternate view as a significant number of people like you. It's conformity all over again.
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Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 21st, 2023 at 1:12:30 PM
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Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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Well, in that case I don't think there's many conformists... I don't know that I've ever heard ANYONE say they "love" wearing masks, and I think the only people who were "told" to get the vaccine were people whose jobs depended on it for some reason.
September 21st, 2023 at 1:44:50 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffman
Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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Well, in that case I don't think there's many conformists... I don't know that I've ever heard ANYONE say they "love" wearing masks, and I think the only people who were "told" to get the vaccine were people whose jobs depended on it for some reason.
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Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 21st, 2023 at 2:07:27 PM
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Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
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I wasn't really in this forum for like a year and a half during the pandemic so I don't know what people were talking about here back then. I only vaguely remember talking about when casinos might reopen. I also only wore a mask when businesses required them to enter their store. Neither job I had during the pandemic required vaccines so I only got it on the advice of my primary care physicians at the time.
September 21st, 2023 at 2:16:40 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffman
Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
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I wasn't really in this forum for like a year and a half during the pandemic so I don't know what people were talking about here back then. I only vaguely remember talking about when casinos might reopen. I also only wore a mask when businesses required them to enter their store. Neither job I had during the pandemic required vaccines so I only got it on the advice of my primary care physicians at the time.
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I am not going back and finding pro mask posts. Lets just say that the same as people speak up for the vax now they spoke up for the masks then.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 21st, 2023 at 3:40:51 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffman
Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
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I wasn't really in this forum for like a year and a half during the pandemic so I don't know what people were talking about here back then. I only vaguely remember talking about when casinos might reopen. I also only wore a mask when businesses required them to enter their store. Neither job I had during the pandemic required vaccines so I only got it on the advice of my primary care physicians at the time.
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I am not going back and finding pro mask posts. Lets just say that the same as people speak up for the vax now they spoke up for the masks then.
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And they were correct then, and are correct now.
September 21st, 2023 at 3:43:16 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: rawtuffQuote: AZDuffmanAs to the consequences well they are all on me.
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Getting severely ill and hospitalized in disproportionately high rates, they take medical resources and personnel away from the rest of the patients making it harder or impossible to address the needs of the chronically ill, scheduled interventions or checks or other victims of the virus or other health emergency. While it all could have been avoided or at least minimized if mass vaccination was their choice.
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The problem with this is that we have not seen massive numbers of unvaxed folks taking up resources. No rooms full or people in iron lungs like when polio was still out there. Meanwhile we are told the vax does not prevent covid just makes the symptoms lesser.
Really this comes down to some of us are justified skeptics and others are born conformists. As for myself I have seen too much from the inside to trust business or government. I cannot speak for EB but my guess is he saw so much of the bad side of human nature when he owned his bar to trust things. Meanwhile, others here were taught that to conform is to be a good citizen so by gosh conform. This is why we see the same divides on other issues which I will not name to avoid going off topic.
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Sorry to break it to you, but you just conform to the same alternate view as a significant number of people like you. It's conformity all over again.
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Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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In your case, it’s simple conformity.
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September 24th, 2023 at 12:20:54 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rawtuff
The consequences aren't all on you. The people who are being irrationally overconcerned about vaccination and refusing to get it can and have put an enormous and unnecessary pressure on the health care system when they are in the millions and in times of raging pandemic.
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Yes it's a real pity we can't all be in lockstep with big Pharma and big government and just do exactly what Big Brother wants us to do. Such a pity we still live in a free society where we have personal choice. Such a pity. I will never get vaccinated, the last time I did was in 1955 where I had a polio vaccine forced on me. And here I am still alive at 74 years old. Amazing, huh.. LOL
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Come again?
You live in a country where the system provides you with urgent medical assistance instead of leaving you for dead and you have the liberty to say FU to said system when it needs you the most and you cynically say that's bigbrother big pharma conspiracy ?
And you find it hilarious you're still alive after ducking vaccination?
Lol. It is indeed hilarious. It's called survivor bias. The ones who died aren't around to say, hey, we died, don't miss on vaccination you fools! But you're still here though. Lol.
Why don't you go live to an African country where there is no vaxx, no medical care, no actual government and live happily there with no bigbrother and no big pharma, should be the best life ever?
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
September 24th, 2023 at 12:47:15 PM
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Quote: rawtuff
Come again?
You live in a country where the system provides you with urgent medical assistance
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I live in a country where I get to make the choices about what goes into my body. I live in a country where you don't get to make those choices for me.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 24th, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rawtuff
Come again?
You live in a country where the system provides you with urgent medical assistance
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I live in a country where I get to make the choices about what goes into my body. I live in a country where you don't get to make those choices for me.
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And what do you do to earn this living right, to support this democratic system you and your children live in?
You say FU to everything and everyone, right? The system needs support by the citizens. Otherwise it will cease to exist.
If everyone refused vaxx, if everyone refused masks, if everyone refused engaging in any way to alleviate the crisis, well... you might as well start evading tax and wait for the third world to come in.
Won't be long.
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
September 24th, 2023 at 1:34:06 PM
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The problem with this is that we have not seen massive numbers of unvaxed folks taking up resources.
Yeah, no though, statistics seem to widely disagree with you on that.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccinated%20vs%20unvaccinated%20hospitalizations%20usa%20all%20time
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Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
September 24th, 2023 at 2:01:37 PM
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And what do you do to earn this living right
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It's called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
“No state shall make or enforce any law abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States or deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law.”
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 24th, 2023 at 2:33:34 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rawtuff
And what do you do to earn this living right
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It's called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
“No state shall make or enforce any law abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States or deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law.”
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Hahaha, what?
There is a local proverbial where I live, it's too vulgar to translate verbatim but it goes something like "I'm saying - "Uncle Vanio..." and this dude goes to grab my package"
In essence it means "what the F, dude?"
Who's speaking about abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens?
I'm talking about adult citizen awareness and responsibility and you cite to me random articles of the constitution to try and deflect lol.
If you know what your country needs you know. If you want to make yourself special or libertarian or whatevs you've got 1000 ways to go about it lol.
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
September 24th, 2023 at 4:50:12 PM
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Quote: rawtuffQuote: EvenBobQuote: rawtuff
And what do you do to earn this living right
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It's called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
“No state shall make or enforce any law abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States or deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law.”
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Hahaha, what?
There is a local proverbial where I live, it's too vulgar to translate verbatim but it goes something like "I'm saying - "Uncle Vanio..." and this dude goes to grab my package"
In essence it means "what the F, dude?"
Who's speaking about abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens?
I'm talking about adult citizen awareness and responsibility and you cite to me random articles of the constitution to try and deflect lol.
If you know what your country needs you know. If you want to make yourself special or libertarian or whatevs you've got 1000 ways to go about it lol.
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Unless humans are transmitting COVID to cats now, probably safe from him.
September 29th, 2023 at 6:16:54 PM
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Uh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 30th, 2023 at 1:02:50 AM
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Online!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 30th, 2023 at 3:03:48 AM
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Quote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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What did they put us through?
Wearing useless masks. Silly rules like one-way grocery aisles. Scaring people to the point that they call the cops on people having a private meeting but they were not wearing masks. And more.
That was in the USA. In other places it may have been different.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 30th, 2023 at 3:38:10 AM
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Yes there were cases of idiotic people calling the cops on people not wearing masks. There were also cases of people idiotically assaulting others by physically ripping masks off of other people's faces.Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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What did they put us through?
Wearing useless masks. Silly rules like one-way grocery aisles. Scaring people to the point that they call the cops on people having a private meeting but they were not wearing masks. And more.
That was in the USA. In other places it may have been different.
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Have a friend who was so f****** annoying whenever we went somewhere that required a mask to get in. He had some Constitution paperwork crap, I don't even know what it said, a big speech and cause the big Ruckus. I'm like dude, just stop the b******* when you are with me, wear the damn mask or go home.
Was the entire covid thing an overreaction? Probably, but I certainly selfishly enjoyed the close-to-zero traffic and the no-guilt long vacation.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 30th, 2023 at 4:19:14 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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What did they put us through?
Wearing useless masks. Silly rules like one-way grocery aisles. Scaring people to the point that they call the cops on people having a private meeting but they were not wearing masks. And more.
That was in the USA. In other places it may have been different.
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'They' : The onscreen dealers : They imposed nothing on EB or yourself.
Your 'they' is outside the topic and seems to be about reintroducing your anti-mask rhetoric to a forum where such controversy is misplaced.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 30th, 2023 at 6:01:45 AM
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Quote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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You've never heard of a computer virus? EB obviously can't do the challenge under such a threat. Maybe in a year or two when the wheels are no longer infected.
What an unexpected turn of events.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 30th, 2023 at 7:30:13 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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What did they put us through?
Wearing useless masks. Silly rules like one-way grocery aisles. Scaring people to the point that they call the cops on people having a private meeting but they were not wearing masks. And more.
That was in the USA. In other places it may have been different.
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You only mentioned things a 3 year old toddler would cry about. And didn't even mention something important like shutting a business down.
Sanitized for Your Protection
September 30th, 2023 at 7:35:01 AM
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Hey Bill, are you back on team 'elder abuse'? What clinched it?Quote: billryanQuote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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You've never heard of a computer virus? EB obviously can't do the challenge under such a threat. Maybe in a year or two when the wheels are no longer infected.
What an unexpected turn of events.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 30th, 2023 at 7:36:49 AM
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Masks have made reappearances lately.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 30th, 2023 at 7:55:34 AM
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Quote: OnceDearHey Bill, are you back on team 'elder abuse'? What clinched it?Quote: billryanQuote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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You've never heard of a computer virus? EB obviously can't do the challenge under such a threat. Maybe in a year or two when the wheels are no longer infected.
What an unexpected turn of events.
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I am not entirely on anyone's side, as no one is altogether on my side. In the end, we stand alone. I have an affection for small children, most animals and the elderly. Just because someone puts a "Please Kick Me " sign on his posterior, doesn't mean we should follow through.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 30th, 2023 at 1:22:52 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanHaving similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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Political statement. Sentence TBD.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 30th, 2023 at 1:24:04 PM
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Quote: tuttigymHey MBJ, before citing the misinformation above why not check the source? The Board of Trustees of KFF are all flaming liberals and so are the "reporters." Their agenda is to neutralize the right with their highly biased "polling." You know, kinda like your own personal agenda.
tuttigym
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Political statement. Sentence TBD.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 30th, 2023 at 4:59:26 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYes there were cases of idiotic people calling the cops on people not wearing masks. There were also cases of people idiotically assaulting others by physically ripping masks off of other people's faces.Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearOnline!?!Quote: EvenBobUh-oh. They're back to wearing masks on my Michigan online casinos which are based in Detroit. I'm not going through that again.
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So dealers on a screen, in a studio in Detroit, with other dealers in the studio, are trying to protect each-other by wearing masks. I don't think that's a big concern for the player at home in front of his laptop. What did they put you through last time?
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What did they put us through?
Wearing useless masks. Silly rules like one-way grocery aisles. Scaring people to the point that they call the cops on people having a private meeting but they were not wearing masks. And more.
That was in the USA. In other places it may have been different.
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Have a friend who was so f****** annoying whenever we went somewhere that required a mask to get in. He had some Constitution paperwork crap, I don't even know what it said, a big speech and cause the big Ruckus. I'm like dude, just stop the b******* when you are with me, wear the damn mask or go home.
Was the entire covid thing an overreaction? Probably, but I certainly selfishly enjoyed the close-to-zero traffic and the no-guilt long vacation.
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There was a Mask mandate in 1918. Im not taking sides. But it happened a long time ago.
Pray for protection from enemies and witchcraft.
September 30th, 2023 at 5:10:02 PM
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For every rebel with a cause, there seem to be a dozen without a clue.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 2nd, 2023 at 6:27:08 AM
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I'd like to lobby for the timely release of Tuttigym and AZDuffman
as per...
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/34493-coronavirus-math/78/#post902518
and
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/34493-coronavirus-math/78/#post902518
as per...
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/34493-coronavirus-math/78/#post902518
and
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/34493-coronavirus-math/78/#post902518
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 2nd, 2023 at 8:15:28 AM
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**Introduced in Senate (10/19/2021)**
**Viral Gain of Function Research Moratorium Act**
This bill prohibits the award of federal research grants to institutions of higher education or research institutes that conduct gain-of-function research. *Gain-of-function research *refers to any research that (1) may be reasonably anticipated to confer attributes to influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses such that the virus would have enhanced pathogenicity or transmissibility in an organism; or (2) involves the enhancement of potential pandemic pathogens or related risky research with potentially dangerous pathogens.
**Introduced in Senate (10/19/2021)**
**Viral Gain of Function Research Moratorium Act**
This bill prohibits the award of federal research grants to institutions of higher education or research institutes that conduct gain-of-function research. *Gain-of-function research *refers to any research that (1) may be reasonably anticipated to confer attributes to influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses such that the virus would have enhanced pathogenicity or transmissibility in an organism; or (2) involves the enhancement of potential pandemic pathogens or related risky research with potentially dangerous pathogens.
Pray for protection from enemies and witchcraft.
October 28th, 2023 at 2:49:53 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanSaying you got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
this is from Wiki re the anti-vaxxers - link also posted - feel free to post that Wiki is bs too - par for the course
"Anti-vaccination writings on the internet have been argued to be characterized by a number of differences from medical and scientific literature. These include:
Promiscuous copying and reduplication.[104]
Ignoring corrections, even when an initial report or data point is shown to be false.[93][105]
Lack of references, difficulty in checking sources and claims.[106]
Personal attacks on individual doctors.[107][1][93]
A high degree of interlinkage between sites.[104][108]
Dishonest or fallacious arguments.[109][93]
For example, a 2020 study examined Instagram posts related to HPV vaccine, which can prevent some types of cancer. Antivaccine posts were more likely than provaccine posts to be sent by non-healthcare individuals, to include personal narratives, and to reference other Instagram users, links, or reposts. Antivaccine posts were also more likely to involve concealment or distortion, particularly conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims. 72.3% of antivaccine posts made inaccurate claims, including exaggerating the risks of vaccines and minimizing risks of disease.[110]
Disinformation tactics
A number of specific disinformation tactics have been noted in anti-vaccination messaging, including:[93][111]
Conspiracies theories alleging lies, trickery, cover-ups, and secret knowledge[111]
Messages crafted for psychological appeal rather than truthfulness[112]
Fake experts[111]
Impossible expectations:[111] claiming that anything less than 100% certainty in a scientific claim implies doubt, and that doubt means there is no consensus[113]
Selective cherry-picking: using obscure or debunked sources while ignoring counter-evidence and scientific consensus[111][93]
Shifting hypotheses: Continually introducing new theories about vaccines being harmful; moving to new claims when existing ones are shown to be false[93]
Misrepresentation, false logic and illogical analogies[111][93]
Personal attacks on critics, ranging from online criticism, publicly revealing personal details, and threats, to offline acitivities such as legal actions, targeting of employers, and violence[93][107][1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccine_activism
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
October 28th, 2023 at 6:46:39 AM
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This is still America. Our ancestors slaughtered the Indians and won two World Wars just so the uneducated could voice their opinion side by side with the knowledgeable ones. Respect the tradition. We, as a people, have the right to get our information from people who live in Academic Castles or from the guy on the next barstool who's cousin's friend's brother knows a guy who knows better than some quasi-midget.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 28th, 2023 at 7:25:18 AM
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Quote: billryanThis is still America. Our ancestors slaughtered the Indians and won two World Wars just so the uneducated could voice their opinion side by side with the knowledgeable ones. Respect the tradition. We, as a people, have the right to get our information from people who live in Academic Castles or from the guy on the next barstool who's cousin's friend's brother knows a guy who knows better than some quasi-midget.
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Exactly
if some pointy headed stuffed shirt who has a PhD says something I don't like in a newspaper I find it useful to right away go to Twitter and Instagram and call him names - and show the world why I'm much smarter than him___________________(-:\
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
October 28th, 2023 at 10:46:16 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: AZDuffmanSaying you got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
this is from Wiki re the anti-vaxxers - link also posted - feel free to post that Wiki is bs too - par for the course
"Anti-vaccination writings on the internet have been argued to be characterized by a number of differences from medical and scientific literature. These include:
Promiscuous copying and reduplication.[104]
Ignoring corrections, even when an initial report or data point is shown to be false.[93][105]
Lack of references, difficulty in checking sources and claims.[106]
Personal attacks on individual doctors.[107][1][93]
A high degree of interlinkage between sites.[104][108]
Dishonest or fallacious arguments.[109][93]
For example, a 2020 study examined Instagram posts related to HPV vaccine, which can prevent some types of cancer. Antivaccine posts were more likely than provaccine posts to be sent by non-healthcare individuals, to include personal narratives, and to reference other Instagram users, links, or reposts. Antivaccine posts were also more likely to involve concealment or distortion, particularly conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims. 72.3% of antivaccine posts made inaccurate claims, including exaggerating the risks of vaccines and minimizing risks of disease.[110]
Disinformation tactics
A number of specific disinformation tactics have been noted in anti-vaccination messaging, including:[93][111]
Conspiracies theories alleging lies, trickery, cover-ups, and secret knowledge[111]
Messages crafted for psychological appeal rather than truthfulness[112]
Fake experts[111]
Impossible expectations:[111] claiming that anything less than 100% certainty in a scientific claim implies doubt, and that doubt means there is no consensus[113]
Selective cherry-picking: using obscure or debunked sources while ignoring counter-evidence and scientific consensus[111][93]
Shifting hypotheses: Continually introducing new theories about vaccines being harmful; moving to new claims when existing ones are shown to be false[93]
Misrepresentation, false logic and illogical analogies[111][93]
Personal attacks on critics, ranging from online criticism, publicly revealing personal details, and threats, to offline acitivities such as legal actions, targeting of employers, and violence[93][107][1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccine_activism
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Here is what you are not getting. I am not reading vax-choice postings. I am looking at things on my own and making my own decisions.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 28th, 2023 at 11:10:41 AM
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(forehead slap)Quote: AZDuffmanHere is what you are not getting. I am not reading vax-choice postings. I am looking at things on my own and making my own decisions.
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I run Easy Vegas ( https://easy.vegas )
October 28th, 2023 at 11:40:19 AM
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I just got my (now annual?) COVID (Moderna) booster yesterday. By bed time, I felt like crap. I think this crummy feeling, basically a day stolen from me, needs to be included in the risk/benefit discussion. To me the ‘lost day’ is worth the less likely chance of dying from COVID. But I ‘may’ be a little jealous of AZ today….
I did it smart though. Golfed on gorgeous late October day then went to Wegmans to get shot as the rain was about to start.
Once I feel fully better (Monday?) I’ll go get my flu shot. Flu shots have not been as tough on me in the past.
I did it smart though. Golfed on gorgeous late October day then went to Wegmans to get shot as the rain was about to start.
Once I feel fully better (Monday?) I’ll go get my flu shot. Flu shots have not been as tough on me in the past.
October 28th, 2023 at 1:54:54 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejay(forehead slap)Quote: AZDuffmanHere is what you are not getting. I am not reading vax-choice postings. I am looking at things on my own and making my own decisions.
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Something wrong with making one’s own decisions in your book?
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 28th, 2023 at 2:51:49 PM
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Quote: AZDuffman
Something wrong with making one’s own decisions in your book?
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Who are these anti-vaxers people keep talking about. I have never seen anybody who's against somebody else getting a vaccine. They usually don't care why would they. I don't get vaccinated but they can do it all day long for all I care.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 28th, 2023 at 6:46:20 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffman
Something wrong with making one’s own decisions in your book?
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Who are these anti-vaxers people keep talking about. I have never seen anybody who's against somebody else getting a vaccine. They usually don't care why would they. I don't get vaccinated but they can do it all day long for all I care.
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I have no idea who they are talking about. The pro-vax choiceers I know all just want to make their own choice and be left alone, not like the people who wanted "vaccine passports" you would have to show to live a normal life. None made their choice because "some guy on the internet' told them to. They all, like me, simply had major reservation. They all remember other wonder drugs and cures that were nothing as promised. They still just want to be left alone. They will discuss it if you bring it up but they will rarely ever bring it up first.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 28th, 2023 at 7:34:07 PM
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Right, that's it, my objection is to someone making their own decisions. You're so astute.Quote: AZDuffmanSomething wrong with making one’s own decisions in your book?
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I run Easy Vegas ( https://easy.vegas )
October 29th, 2023 at 1:50:28 AM
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for those who had never heard of the anti-vaxx thing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/01/23/dc-anti-vaccine-rally-mandates-protest/
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/anti-vaxxers-political-power-00116527
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for those who had never heard of the anti-vaxx thing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/01/23/dc-anti-vaccine-rally-mandates-protest/
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/anti-vaxxers-political-power-00116527
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
October 29th, 2023 at 2:41:14 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
for those who had never heard of the anti-vaxx thing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/01/23/dc-anti-vaccine-rally-mandates-protest/
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/anti-vaxxers-political-power-00116527
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I do not see them trying to ban the vax, only ban having it forced on them.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 29th, 2023 at 2:42:16 AM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayRight, that's it, my objection is to someone making their own decisions. You're so astute.Quote: AZDuffmanSomething wrong with making one’s own decisions in your book?
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That is clearly what your objection appears to be, so why the backhanded comment?
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
