Coronavirus math
My insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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Quote: JoemanMy insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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Ditto.
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Then why do we need a vaccine if it's so survivable.
Why don't you ask your primary care physician? I'm sure he would be happy to enlighten you.
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I did and he didn't care one way or the other. Get it don't get it it was all the same to him. He's really young maybe 35? He's not much of a vaccine person, I don't think he has much faith in them. He knows big Pharma runs modern medicine and he resents it. I'm sure in another 10 years he will have completely sold out because it's easier to just go with the flow then to fight it all the time.
Quote: JoemanMy insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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Absolutely. It's the only thing I don't have a copay on, seeing my primary care doctor. He's a young guy but he's also the best trained doctor I've ever had because he is so young. Medicine changes so quickly now that you can't keep up with it if you're a doctor and my other doctors who are in their 50s and 60s, they're training was all done decades ago.
\Quote: EvenBobQuote: JoemanMy insurance requires that I have one.Quote: DRichDo people still have primary care physicians? i don't think that I have had one since I was a child. My primary care physician seems to be the surgeon on duty at the emergency room.
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Absolutely. It's the only thing I don't have a copay on, seeing my primary care doctor. He's a young guy but he's also the best trained doctor I've ever had because he is so young. Medicine changes so quickly now that you can't keep up with it if you're a doctor and my other doctors who are in their 50s and 60s, they're training was all done decades ago.
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It is called continuing education, EB. Board certifications require it. This post shows just out of touch some folks can be.
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Quote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: rawtuffQuote: AZDuffmanAs to the consequences well they are all on me.
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Getting severely ill and hospitalized in disproportionately high rates, they take medical resources and personnel away from the rest of the patients making it harder or impossible to address the needs of the chronically ill, scheduled interventions or checks or other victims of the virus or other health emergency. While it all could have been avoided or at least minimized if mass vaccination was their choice.
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The problem with this is that we have not seen massive numbers of unvaxed folks taking up resources. No rooms full or people in iron lungs like when polio was still out there. Meanwhile we are told the vax does not prevent covid just makes the symptoms lesser.
Really this comes down to some of us are justified skeptics and others are born conformists. As for myself I have seen too much from the inside to trust business or government. I cannot speak for EB but my guess is he saw so much of the bad side of human nature when he owned his bar to trust things. Meanwhile, others here were taught that to conform is to be a good citizen so by gosh conform. This is why we see the same divides on other issues which I will not name to avoid going off topic.
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Sorry to break it to you, but you just conform to the same alternate view as a significant number of people like you. It's conformity all over again.
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Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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Well, in that case I don't think there's many conformists... I don't know that I've ever heard ANYONE say they "love" wearing masks, and I think the only people who were "told" to get the vaccine were people whose jobs depended on it for some reason.
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Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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Well, in that case I don't think there's many conformists... I don't know that I've ever heard ANYONE say they "love" wearing masks, and I think the only people who were "told" to get the vaccine were people whose jobs depended on it for some reason.
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Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
Quote: AZDuffman
Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
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I wasn't really in this forum for like a year and a half during the pandemic so I don't know what people were talking about here back then. I only vaguely remember talking about when casinos might reopen. I also only wore a mask when businesses required them to enter their store. Neither job I had during the pandemic required vaccines so I only got it on the advice of my primary care physicians at the time.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffman
Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
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I wasn't really in this forum for like a year and a half during the pandemic so I don't know what people were talking about here back then. I only vaguely remember talking about when casinos might reopen. I also only wore a mask when businesses required them to enter their store. Neither job I had during the pandemic required vaccines so I only got it on the advice of my primary care physicians at the time.
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I am not going back and finding pro mask posts. Lets just say that the same as people speak up for the vax now they spoke up for the masks then.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffman
Where were you at in 2020? On this site alone the maskers kept saying how much good they were doing. Even today many still say it. And in this thread this week people say how you need to get the vax because of all kinds of reasons. Bottom line is that most of the people here conformed and get upset at those of us who do not.
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I wasn't really in this forum for like a year and a half during the pandemic so I don't know what people were talking about here back then. I only vaguely remember talking about when casinos might reopen. I also only wore a mask when businesses required them to enter their store. Neither job I had during the pandemic required vaccines so I only got it on the advice of my primary care physicians at the time.
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I am not going back and finding pro mask posts. Lets just say that the same as people speak up for the vax now they spoke up for the masks then.
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And they were correct then, and are correct now.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: rawtuffQuote: AZDuffmanAs to the consequences well they are all on me.
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Getting severely ill and hospitalized in disproportionately high rates, they take medical resources and personnel away from the rest of the patients making it harder or impossible to address the needs of the chronically ill, scheduled interventions or checks or other victims of the virus or other health emergency. While it all could have been avoided or at least minimized if mass vaccination was their choice.
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The problem with this is that we have not seen massive numbers of unvaxed folks taking up resources. No rooms full or people in iron lungs like when polio was still out there. Meanwhile we are told the vax does not prevent covid just makes the symptoms lesser.
Really this comes down to some of us are justified skeptics and others are born conformists. As for myself I have seen too much from the inside to trust business or government. I cannot speak for EB but my guess is he saw so much of the bad side of human nature when he owned his bar to trust things. Meanwhile, others here were taught that to conform is to be a good citizen so by gosh conform. This is why we see the same divides on other issues which I will not name to avoid going off topic.
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Sorry to break it to you, but you just conform to the same alternate view as a significant number of people like you. It's conformity all over again.
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Having similar views is not "conforming." It is having similar views. Saying you love masks and got the vaccine because you were told to do so, that is conforming. Being driven crazy by the people who will not go along as told like you are doing now is super-conforming.
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In your case, it’s simple conformity.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rawtuff
The consequences aren't all on you. The people who are being irrationally overconcerned about vaccination and refusing to get it can and have put an enormous and unnecessary pressure on the health care system when they are in the millions and in times of raging pandemic.
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Yes it's a real pity we can't all be in lockstep with big Pharma and big government and just do exactly what Big Brother wants us to do. Such a pity we still live in a free society where we have personal choice. Such a pity. I will never get vaccinated, the last time I did was in 1955 where I had a polio vaccine forced on me. And here I am still alive at 74 years old. Amazing, huh.. LOL
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Come again?
You live in a country where the system provides you with urgent medical assistance instead of leaving you for dead and you have the liberty to say FU to said system when it needs you the most and you cynically say that's bigbrother big pharma conspiracy ?
And you find it hilarious you're still alive after ducking vaccination?
Lol. It is indeed hilarious. It's called survivor bias. The ones who died aren't around to say, hey, we died, don't miss on vaccination you fools! But you're still here though. Lol.
Why don't you go live to an African country where there is no vaxx, no medical care, no actual government and live happily there with no bigbrother and no big pharma, should be the best life ever?
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Come again?
You live in a country where the system provides you with urgent medical assistance
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I live in a country where I get to make the choices about what goes into my body. I live in a country where you don't get to make those choices for me.
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Come again?
You live in a country where the system provides you with urgent medical assistance
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I live in a country where I get to make the choices about what goes into my body. I live in a country where you don't get to make those choices for me.
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And what do you do to earn this living right, to support this democratic system you and your children live in?
You say FU to everything and everyone, right? The system needs support by the citizens. Otherwise it will cease to exist.
If everyone refused vaxx, if everyone refused masks, if everyone refused engaging in any way to alleviate the crisis, well... you might as well start evading tax and wait for the third world to come in.
Won't be long.
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The problem with this is that we have not seen massive numbers of unvaxed folks taking up resources.
Yeah, no though, statistics seem to widely disagree with you on that.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccinated%20vs%20unvaccinated%20hospitalizations%20usa%20all%20time
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And what do you do to earn this living right
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It's called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
“No state shall make or enforce any law abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States or deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law.”
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And what do you do to earn this living right
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It's called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
“No state shall make or enforce any law abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States or deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law.”
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Hahaha, what?
There is a local proverbial where I live, it's too vulgar to translate verbatim but it goes something like "I'm saying - "Uncle Vanio..." and this dude goes to grab my package"
In essence it means "what the F, dude?"
Who's speaking about abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens?
I'm talking about adult citizen awareness and responsibility and you cite to me random articles of the constitution to try and deflect lol.
If you know what your country needs you know. If you want to make yourself special or libertarian or whatevs you've got 1000 ways to go about it lol.
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And what do you do to earn this living right
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It's called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
“No state shall make or enforce any law abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States or deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law.”
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Hahaha, what?
There is a local proverbial where I live, it's too vulgar to translate verbatim but it goes something like "I'm saying - "Uncle Vanio..." and this dude goes to grab my package"
In essence it means "what the F, dude?"
Who's speaking about abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens?
I'm talking about adult citizen awareness and responsibility and you cite to me random articles of the constitution to try and deflect lol.
If you know what your country needs you know. If you want to make yourself special or libertarian or whatevs you've got 1000 ways to go about it lol.
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Unless humans are transmitting COVID to cats now, probably safe from him.
