Coronavirus math
Quote: mcallister3200That fails the logic test, if omnicron exploded that much of would mean a reduction in Delta unless you’re trying to say the same person is going to be infected with both simultaneously.
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Only if the reservoir of previously uninfected and non-immune was depleted. As long as there are plenty of non-immune, then both variants can prosper alongside eachother. Omicron still gets to be numerically dominant.
That is a best case scenario. they could possibly coexist and folk could get infected by the two illnesses simultaneously. Still very unknown. Not unheard of for people to have two illnesses at the same time, even very similar illnesses. A great way of incubating more mutations. Delmicron or Omelta, anyone?Quote: gordonm888the key question is whether infection with Omicron (and its presumably mild symptoms) will provide "natural" immune resistance to the delta variant. We don't know the answer yet.
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Finally some sanity.
the # of U.S. deaths from Covid are closing in on ONE MILLION
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/14/covid-deaths-800-k-united-states-vaccines-variants/8835009002/
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the # of U.S. deaths from Covid are closing in on ONE MILLION
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/14/covid-deaths-800-k-united-states-vaccines-variants/8835009002/
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Over 18+ months
With what we all know is over counting
And initial projection was 2-3 million
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ZZYZX................................
An article I saw put it bluntly and truthfully. The average person is over it. Either vaxed and feel safe or unvaxed and living their life. Time to let me sit down at a fast food place again*. Time to get back to normal.
* While not fast food I have been informed that the buffet at my local casino will probably never reopen. Has anyone else heard that about casino buffets? What is the status on the strip?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: lilredrooster_________
the # of U.S. deaths from Covid are closing in on ONE MILLION
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/14/covid-deaths-800-k-united-states-vaccines-variants/8835009002/
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Over 18+ months
With what we all know is over counting
And initial projection was 2-3 million
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ZZYZX................................
An article I saw put it bluntly and truthfully. The average person is over it. Either vaxed and feel safe or unvaxed and living their life. Time to let me sit down at a fast food place again*. Time to get back to normal.
* While not fast food I have been informed that the buffet at my local casino will probably never reopen. Has anyone else heard that about casino buffets? What is the status on the strip?
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Fast food sit down isn’t about vid anymore, it’s about employers not wanting to hire another person to run a register because they don’t want to pay the market rate for labor.
And no, we don’t all know it’s over-reported, the data would tell us it’s likely under reported. Don’t worry, we’ll probably get to that 2 million.
People who survived covid with debilitating changes. One Hollywood screenwriter even committed suicide from it.
It's looking like tens of million of Americans are affected and the "well, it's only two percent death rate so it's not bad" argument would probably get those longhaulers really angry. Except they can barely function.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19%3famp=true
https://health.ucdavis.edu/newsroom/news/headlines/studies-show-long-haul-covid-19-afflicts-1-in-4-covid-19-patients-regardless-of-severity/2021/03
Quote: darkozThere also are longhaulers.
People who survived covid with debilitating changes. One Hollywood screenwriter even committed suicide from it.
It's looking like tens of million of Americans are affected and the "well, it's only two percent death rate so it's not bad" argument would probably get those longhaulers really angry. Except they can barely function.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19%3famp=true
https://health.ucdavis.edu/newsroom/news/headlines/studies-show-long-haul-covid-19-afflicts-1-in-4-covid-19-patients-regardless-of-severity/2021/03
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I mean two percent death rate is a brutal exaggeration by any reasonable measure.
a pretty large private high school near me had a covid outbreak and has completely shut down and cancelled the rest of the school year
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: lilredrooster_________
the # of U.S. deaths from Covid are closing in on ONE MILLION
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/14/covid-deaths-800-k-united-states-vaccines-variants/8835009002/
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Over 18+ months
With what we all know is over counting
Pah! Often said because of the way 'Covid deaths' are defined , typically 'died of any cause while covid positive' or 'died with covid being a contributory factor'.
But there is the simple metric of 'Excess deaths' or count of deaths over and above what has been experienced in recent years. That closely tracks the published covid deaths count and spikes at the same time as known covid death spikes.
Initial projection was about 5 sick, later 65,000 deaths, later 2,2 million if nothing was done, wasn't it?* Projections have been all over the place, understandably. Also, contrary to popular belief, the last death hasn't happened yet.Quote:And initial projection was 2-3 million
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An article I saw put it bluntly and truthfully. The average person is over it. Either vaxed and feel safe or unvaxed and living their life. Time to let me sit down at a fast food place again*. Time to get back to normal.
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* Late edit.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: lilredrooster_________
the # of U.S. deaths from Covid are closing in on ONE MILLION
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/14/covid-deaths-800-k-united-states-vaccines-variants/8835009002/
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Over 18+ months
With what we all know is over counting
And initial projection was 2-3 million
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ZZYZX................................
An article I saw put it bluntly and truthfully. The average person is over it. Either vaxed and feel safe or unvaxed and living their life. Time to let me sit down at a fast food place again*. Time to get back to normal.
* While not fast food I have been informed that the buffet at my local casino will probably never reopen. Has anyone else heard that about casino buffets? What is the status on the strip?
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Fast food sit down isn’t about vid anymore, it’s about employers not wanting to hire another person to run a register because they don’t want to pay the market rate for labor.
And no, we don’t all know it’s over-reported, the data would tell us it’s likely under reported. Don’t worry, we’ll probably get to that 2 million.
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I think you meant to say people do not want to work for market rate.
No penalty from me for what I perceive as a controversial and political statement.Quote: AZDuffmanColorado Gov declares Covid Emergency over says if unvaxed get sick they get sick.
Finally some sanity.
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I considered quoting how he qualified that assertion. But whatever response I post is likely to be a rule break of one sort or the other.
I suggest that we drop, or take elsewhere, any controversial or argumentative posts on the merits of vaccination or giving a damn about hundreds of thousands dying.
We know by now what form such posts take.
When hospitals are overrun with colds and flu's like covid did at times, people can claim it was no big deal compared to other things out there. When you start storing extra bodies in refrigerator trucks, one can say it was not a big deal compared to other things.
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I think you meant to say people do not want to work for market rate.
if people don't want to work for the wage offered then it's not the market rate anymore
for it to be a market rate there has to be active participants
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Quote: rxwineWhy bother with the numbers to skeptics?
When hospitals are overrun with colds and flu's like covid did at times, people can claim it was no big deal compared to other things out there. When you start storing extra bodies in refrigerator trucks, one can say it was not a big deal compared to other things.
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'Skeptics' here seems a broad category. We can all have differing opinions and approaches. Some are persuaded to be thoughtful and some are not.
When one or many hospitals have to extend the morgue into a few freezer trucks, something implies there's a bit of a killing event. We are not obliged to care. We are not obliged to care when some tens of thousands die of non-covid causes because the hospital is too full for routine treatments. They were going to die anyway.... Oh no. They weren't were they... That's not covid. Just stats. And all stats are lies.
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I think you meant to say people do not want to work for market rate.
if people don't want to work for the wage offered then it's not the market rate anymore
for it to be a market rate there has to be active participants
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It’s funny that for a decade straight monetary policy has dumped on lower class workers and the first time they have any leverage whatsoever the people who have benefited from easy access to artificially cheap money for a decade whine about people “not wanting to work.” I am NOT specifically referring to duff there.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: darkozThere also are longhaulers.
People who survived covid with debilitating changes. One Hollywood screenwriter even committed suicide from it.
It's looking like tens of million of Americans are affected and the "well, it's only two percent death rate so it's not bad" argument would probably get those longhaulers really angry. Except they can barely function.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19%3famp=true
https://health.ucdavis.edu/newsroom/news/headlines/studies-show-long-haul-covid-19-afflicts-1-in-4-covid-19-patients-regardless-of-severity/2021/03
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I mean two percent death rate is a brutal exaggeration by any reasonable measure.
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Kinda like $20,000 per week!
Silly thread hijack! Let's not.Quote: DeMangoQuote: mcallister3200Quote: darkozThere also are longhaulers.
People who survived covid with debilitating changes. One Hollywood screenwriter even committed suicide from it.
It's looking like tens of million of Americans are affected and the "well, it's only two percent death rate so it's not bad" argument would probably get those longhaulers really angry. Except they can barely function.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19%3famp=true
https://health.ucdavis.edu/newsroom/news/headlines/studies-show-long-haul-covid-19-afflicts-1-in-4-covid-19-patients-regardless-of-severity/2021/03
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I mean two percent death rate is a brutal exaggeration by any reasonable measure.
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Kinda like $20,000 per week!
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I think you meant to say people do not want to work for market rate.
if people don't want to work for the wage offered then it's not the market rate anymore
for it to be a market rate there has to be active participants
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Lots are working for it. But somehow we have created a layabout class living off subsidies. Remove them and people will return to work.
Quote: mcallister3200News flash: at $10/hr they’re still living off subsidies.
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I have not seen starting wage that low in years.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: mcallister3200News flash: at $10/hr they’re still living off subsidies.
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I have not seen starting wage that low in years.
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Come visit the southeast....the same retail places owned by mega corps have signs on their doors about constantly changing hours of service due to worker shortage while simultaneously having hiring signs outside of starting wages $9.30-10.50/hr. They just don’t get it that they can’t get away with it to that extent anymore. South Dakota is similar.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: mcallister3200News flash: at $10/hr they’re still living off subsidies.
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I have not seen starting wage that low in years.
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I know many people that make less than $10 an hour on the clock but still bring home close to $100k a year with tips included.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: lilredroosterQuote: AZDuffman
I think you meant to say people do not want to work for market rate.
if people don't want to work for the wage offered then it's not the market rate anymore
for it to be a market rate there has to be active participants
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Lots are working for it. But somehow we have created a layabout class living off subsidies. Remove them and people will return to work.
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Older Americans 55 and up account for 90% of those not returning for work.
Quote:ADP Chief Economist Nela Richardson said the strong stock market along with soaring home prices "has given some higher income people options. We already saw a large portion of the Boomer workforce retiring. And they're in a better position now."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-millions-of-jobless-americans-can-afford-to-ditch-work/ar-AARPZDb?ocid=undefined
I respect the UK's BBC as a fair source of Covid info, but talking about the exponential growth of Omicron, I had to disagree with their assessment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59676569
Quote: BBC Website Bolding is mineOmicron cases are rising rapidly, probably now doubling every two days...
If the two-day doubling continues, by Christmas Day 640,000 Omicron infections would be being recorded and early in the new year the whole population will have been infected.
Most of the UK population..... But not all of us. Exponential growth will hit herd immunity, or a pinch point as it runs out of hosts or a ceiling as it misses out on the socially reclusive.
Still, it IS spreading massively and as that article says
Quote: BBCWe're seeing two epidemics at once
Omicron is spreading rapidly, but Delta is not disappearing. ...This is likely to be because Omicron is able to get past some of the body's defences built up by vaccination and previous infection. The two variants are not competing for the same people.
Meanwhile, yesterday, we had a somewhat gloomy and politically charged press conference from our Prime Minister. and it's interesting how it played out. The PM has come under MASSIVE pressure not to 'Ban Christmas' or do anything to damage the hospitality industry. So he was very restricted in his advice to 'be careful at those Christmas get togethers' but he was flanked by his outspoken Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty who gave a crystal clear message.
He got some flak for that!Quote: UK Chief Medical Advisor"think carefully" before attending celebrations."...
"I really think people should be prioritising those things - and only those things - that really matter to them,"...
"Because otherwise the risk of someone getting infected at something that doesn't really matter to them and then not being able to do the things that matter to them obviously goes up."
My take-away message. Omicron IS spreading very quickly. We don't yet know what deaths will follow. I'll avoid getting it this year as the picture gets clearer.
YMMV
Quote: ChumpChangeIf your area has 10K cases of Omicron already and it's spreading at a rate of 10 fold every 10 days, within a month you've got ten million cases, within 2 months you've got 10 billion cases. I expect a global lockdown near imminently. Get your booster shots if you're eligible.
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Well that is just mathematically impossible but not surprising
from you, carry on.
US hospitals brace for potential Omicron surge in January
In many states, healthcare systems are already under strain due to an increase in Delta infections over the Thanksgiving holidays
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/16/us-hospitals-brace-for-potential-omicron-surge-in-january
Cornell is so multi-cultural it reminds me of Los Angeles.
France bans UK tourists over Omicron. British tourists banned from entering France from Saturday. France has called on people who had planned to visit the UK to “postpone their travel”.
The UK on Wednesday recorded its highest rate of confirmed positive infections since the pandemic began, with 78,610 new positive results.
There are 15 confirmed people in UK hospitals with the Omicron variant, but the actual number is likely to be “much bigger.”
The Indonesian president, Joko Widodo, has urged people - including government officials - not to travel abroad after the country detected its first Omicron case.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: ChumpChangeIf your area has 10K cases of Omicron already and it's spreading at a rate of 10 fold every 10 days, within a month you've got ten million cases, within 2 months you've got 10 billion cases. I expect a global lockdown near imminently. Get your booster shots if you're eligible.
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Well that is just mathematically impossible but not surprising
from you, carry on.
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It is demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. Limbaugh used to use the same kind of demonstration. He almost invented it.
We can already see the incoming tsunami of Omicron infections in the UK Europe and probably the US. What we don't know is whether it will be followed by pro rata hospitalisations and deaths.Quote: ChumpChange
US hospitals brace for potential Omicron surge in January
In many states, healthcare systems are already under strain due to an increase in Delta infections over the Thanksgiving holidays
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/16/us-hospitals-brace-for-potential-omicron-surge-in-january
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Bad timing for XMas get-togethers.
This is a pandemic on top of a pandemic. January should be interesting.
Quote: OnceDearWe can already see the incoming tsunami of Omicron infections in the UK Europe and probably the US. What we don't know is whether it will be followed by pro rata hospitalisations and deaths.Quote: ChumpChange
US hospitals brace for potential Omicron surge in January
In many states, healthcare systems are already under strain due to an increase in Delta infections over the Thanksgiving holidays
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/16/us-hospitals-brace-for-potential-omicron-surge-in-january
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Bad timing for XMas get-togethers.
This is a pandemic on top of a pandemic. January should be interesting.
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Omicron sounds like the name of some boring convention in Vegas.
I tried to read up the news on that, but sadly most sources I tried are blocked to the UK.Quote: billryanCochise County issued an emergency plea to FEMA for 133 nurses or staff trained in Covid procedures. The letter warned that staffing issues have already overwhelmed the system.
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I did find one news item dated 24 Nov and at that time, the health service was already stressed and seeking help from the public.
https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/cochise-county-hospitals-struggling-to-keep-up-with-covid-surge
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https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/coronavirus-surge-overwhelms-hospitals-in-cochise-county
Looks like same syndicated news. Again late November.
It struck me as particularly odd that they were asking any unvaccinated folk who do get infected by covid to take actions to stay away from ER
"Every person in our community who has chosen not to be vaccinated can help by knowing how to stay out of the Emergency Room," Thompson said. "When you are diagnosed with COVID-19, ask your Primary Care Provider about receiving one of the therapeutics to keep you from experiencing severe disease. Don’t wait until you are so sick you have to go to the ER."
Now. I ask myself why they would direct that advice only to the unvaxxed? Could it maybe that they were addressing the audience most likely to seek ER treatment? Or maybe they had encountered a trend of extra ignorance in that group, who tended to make ER first port of call?
They were "dealing with" a shortage of nurses back then.
"Cochise County health officials are asking the public to stay vigilant against COVID to help with hospital capacity"
Anyway... That was before we encountered omicron.
I don't understand your commercialized health care service. Couldn't the hospital just bid in the open market for Nurses to come forward or out of retirement? Supply and demand?
Quote: ChumpChangeIn New York, Cornell University reported 903 cases among students this week – many of them cases of the Omicron variant among fully vaccinated people. The school closed early and went virtual.
US hospitals brace for potential Omicron surge in January
In many states, healthcare systems are already under strain due to an increase in Delta infections over the Thanksgiving holidays
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/16/us-hospitals-brace-for-potential-omicron-surge-in-january
Cornell is so multi-cultural it reminds me of Los Angeles.
The absence of a reply to the prior inquiry about omicron speaks volumes.
? What prior inquiry about omicron ?Quote: SanchoPanzaQuote: ChumpChangeIn New York, Cornell University reported 903 cases among students this week – many of them cases of the Omicron variant among fully vaccinated people. The school closed early and went virtual.
US hospitals brace for potential Omicron surge in January
In many states, healthcare systems are already under strain due to an increase in Delta infections over the Thanksgiving holidays
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/16/us-hospitals-brace-for-potential-omicron-surge-in-january
Cornell is so multi-cultural it reminds me of Los Angeles.
The absence of a reply to the prior inquiry about omicron speaks volumes.
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Quote: ChumpChangeIf your area has 10K cases of Omicron already and it's spreading at a rate of 10 fold every 10 days, within a month you've got ten million cases, within 2 months you've got 10 billion cases. I expect a global lockdown near imminently. Get your booster shots if you're eligible. China shut down for less.
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Been two years almost since this garbage was posted! Gonna be a shame if two billion are affected (Omicron) but no one dies! Not like RSA doctors tried to warn us, but chicken little is alive and hunkered down.
To get an early sense of what the heavily mutated Omicron variant has in store for the United States, look no further than Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.
On Tuesday, Dec. 7, Cornell conducted 5,456 tests and reported 27 COVID-19 cases on campus. That translates into a positivity rate of 0.49 percent. So far, so good.
But just six days later, on Monday, Dec. 13, the school reported 10 times as many cases (276) — despite conducting roughly the same number of tests (5,832).
Quote: OnceDearI tried to read up the news on that, but sadly most sources I tried are blocked to the UK.Quote: billryanCochise County issued an emergency plea to FEMA for 133 nurses or staff trained in Covid procedures. The letter warned that staffing issues have already overwhelmed the system.
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I did find one news item dated 24 Nov and at that time, the health service was already stressed and seeking help from the public.
https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/cochise-county-hospitals-struggling-to-keep-up-with-covid-surge
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https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/coronavirus-surge-overwhelms-hospitals-in-cochise-county
Looks like same syndicated news. Again late November.
It struck me as particularly odd that they were asking any unvaccinated folk who do get infected by covid to take actions to stay away from ER
"Every person in our community who has chosen not to be vaccinated can help by knowing how to stay out of the Emergency Room," Thompson said. "When you are diagnosed with COVID-19, ask your Primary Care Provider about receiving one of the therapeutics to keep you from experiencing severe disease. Don’t wait until you are so sick you have to go to the ER."
Now. I ask myself why they would direct that advice only to the unvaxxed? Could it maybe that they were addressing the audience most likely to seek ER treatment? Or maybe they had encountered a trend of extra ignorance in that group, who tended to make ER first port of call?
They were "dealing with" a shortage of nurses back then.
"Cochise County health officials are asking the public to stay vigilant against COVID to help with hospital capacity"
Anyway... That was before we encountered omicron.
I don't understand your commercialized health care service. Couldn't the hospital just bid in the open market for Nurses to come forward or out of retirement? Supply and demand?
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More of the nurses without families have become traveling nurses for the extra money now as I understand, but I think even with the additional nurses needed we may actually have less total nurses now than actually before, shortages many places. It’s a field that, while they know they will be dealing with sick people, many get into for the stability. Many have found the emotions of dealing with the pandemic patients day in and day out simply too much to tolerate and have dropped out of the profession, others have simply become numb.
Quote: DeMangoGonna be a shame if two billion are affected (Omicron) but no one dies! Not like RSA doctors tried to warn us, but chicken little is alive and hunkered down.
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I'd tolerate that outcome.
Numbers ! Pah!Quote: billryanThu, December 16, 2021, 8:47 AM·8 min read
To get an early sense of what the heavily mutated Omicron variant has in store for the United States, look no further than Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.
On Tuesday, Dec. 7, Cornell conducted 5,456 tests and reported 27 COVID-19 cases on campus. That translates into a positivity rate of 0.49 percent. So far, so good.
But just six days later, on Monday, Dec. 13, the school reported 10 times as many cases (276) — despite conducting roughly the same number of tests (5,832).
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We have a few of facets of omicron sorted and generally agreed:
It's a covid19 variant. Bad
It's spreading much MUCH faster than Delta. Bad
It can evade existing immunity. Bad.
Not seeing much good news YET.
What we don't yet have a handle on is how likely it is to lead to hospitalisation or death. That data is a few weeks into the future.
1)Maybe it's really mild: Nobody Dies: Hoorayyy
2)Maybe it's about as nasty as Delta: Ooops. But we know there's more of it. Lots Die.
3)Maybe it's even nastier than Delta: OOOPS. The sky falls in. LOTS Die
2 is bad enough to get my attention.
In the meantime, I keenly watch for the data on this NEW PANDEMIC
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I don't understand your commercialized health care service. Couldn't the hospital just bid in the open market for Nurses to come forward or out of retirement? Supply and demand?
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More of the nurses without families have become traveling nurses for the extra money now as I understand, but I think even with the additional nurses needed we may actually have less total nurses now than actually before, shortages many places. It’s a field that, while they know they will be dealing with sick people, many get into for the stability. Many have found the emotions of dealing with the pandemic patients day in and day out simply too much to tolerate and have dropped out of the profession, others have simply become numb.
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I concur. It's not just weight of numbers that has stressed the system. It's actually attrition of the Human Heroes who have had to serve in it. Sure, for some carers, it's just a meal ticket. But I can't see them rubbing their hands with glee thinking about the available overtime in which they can deal with the dying and the stupid, and their own colleagues who get infected as collateral damage.
The OMG variant is a lesson about how transmissible a variant can be. Imagine a highly lethal virus with this kind of transmissibility! But virtually all of the preliminary information about omicron/OMG indicates that it is less virulent than any of the other covid variants. If infection of this variant has very mild symptoms but dramatically contributes to building worldwide herd immunity then we may start to see new-born babies that are named Omicron out of gratitude..
NHS hospitals in England 94% full before start of Omicron surge
Four in five critical care beds are full and one in four ambulance handovers are taking more than 30 minutes
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/16/nhs-hospitals-in-england-94-full-before-start-of-omicron-surge?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1639682812
The figures were contained in NHS England’s latest weekly batch of “winter sitreps” data, which set out how hospitals and ambulance services are coping with the extra demand they come under in December, January and February. They show that of the 90,702 adult general and acute beds in acute hospitals that were open in the week to last Sunday, 85,558 (94.3%) were occupied.
Of the 4,016 critical care beds that hospitals had open, 3,246 (80.8%) had patients in them. These are the beds that will be used by people left seriously ill by Omicron.
Quote: OnceDear? What prior inquiry about omicron ?Quote: SanchoPanzaQuote: ChumpChangeIn New York, Cornell University reported 903 cases among students this week – many of them cases of the Omicron variant among fully vaccinated people. The school closed early and went virtual.
US hospitals brace for potential Omicron surge in January
In many states, healthcare systems are already under strain due to an increase in Delta infections over the Thanksgiving holidays
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/16/us-hospitals-brace-for-potential-omicron-surge-in-january
Cornell is so multi-cultural it reminds me of Los Angeles.
The absence of a reply to the prior inquiry about omicron speaks volumes.
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The question raised three days ago. And, yes, you can avoid the references to 10 billion cases. That's a virtual undertainty.
I do.Quote: gordonm888Imagine a highly lethal virus with this kind of transmissibility!
We live in hope.Quote:But virtually all of the preliminary information about omicron/OMG indicates that it is less virulent than any of the other covid variants. If infection of this variant has very mild symptoms but dramatically contributes to building worldwide herd immunity then we may start to see new-born babies that are named Omicron out of gratitude..
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I've considered that best case scenario. Itching to see the evidence on hospitalisations and deaths... and long covid, for ohmigod :o)
Quote: gordonm888The hysteria about this topic is so exaggerated that I think it should be called the OMG variant - the ohmigod variant. The number of infections may be high, but the number of hospitalizations and deaths are what counts the most.
The OMG variant is a lesson about how transmissible a variant can be. Imagine a highly lethal virus with this kind of transmissibility! But virtually all of the preliminary information about omicron/OMG indicates that it is less virulent than any of the other covid variants. If infection of this variant has very mild symptoms but dramatically contributes to building worldwide herd immunity then we may start to see new-born babies that are named Omicron out of gratitude..
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I'm with you.
I don't like the projection of what Omicron might be. The reaction to intitial outbreak of covid in China.was concerning because of hospitalizations and deaths, Same with Italy and so forth. That was a correct response for what was going on.
While it's important not to downplay the potential of a new variant, I see little of interest to report of actual scary facts. It's already spread to quite a few people. Where are the serious infections and deaths?
Yes, I still believe it's important to get vaccinated regardless. But the warnings need to be accurate to what is known.
Quote: ChumpChangeThe rapid spread of Omicron across the UK has led public health officials and ministers to warn that, without action, the country will see 1 million infections a day by the end of the month.
I am very concerned about the numbers with this new variant.
South Africa was first up and their numbers are looking pretty good. Omnicom is spreading very quickly and easily, but so far they are having less severe illness and hospitalizations. very good sign. BUT S African population is younger and therefore healthier than other countries like the U.S.
UK is next up. Their population is more like U.S. so I think a better test. So far it is spreading very fast. We know that is going to happen by now. But, there is no real data that should be taken as far as severe illness and hospitalizations because it just hasn't been long enough yet. Severe Illness, hospitalizations and death occur 3, 4, 5 weeks in and the UK is not there yet. So a few more weeks will tell us more.
So far it looks like spread quick and easy but maybe not as severe as far as illness. And even less severe for people vaccinated and boostered. That would be great, but again, I want to see a few more weeks data out of UK to support that.
Quote: ChumpChangeThe rapid spread of Omicron across the UK has led public health officials and ministers to warn that, without action, the country will see 1 million infections a day by the end of the month.
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I am glad to see when I am out and about that the average person around me is not letting this rule their life. This week I discovered another QSR place has opened their dining room. Most of the employees were maskless. At the grocery store masks remain at about 10% of the customers though it seems they are still making or at least pressuring employees to wear them. I had to do my one week a month at my office and same thing, maybe 10% wearing them, the rest of us leading a normal life.
800,000 dead in the USA over 1.75 years. Out of 320 million people. Most of who had contributing causes.
We are not talking smallpox here.
