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Wizardofnothing
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February 21st, 2016 at 6:36:49 PM permalink
What?
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February 21st, 2016 at 6:45:57 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: DMSCR

You will get bored of losing the money sooner or later.

There. I fixed it for you.
$:o)

That's among the top 5 ill fix that for you posts ever. Thanks for the chuckle. You couldn't have helped a better guy. Im sure he's gr8-full.


I think lovebacgame is a troll. He has said the same thing over and over, "I think I can beat the house edge with money management!" It's one of the common fallacies that is debunked over and over (on these forums and other places).

He's just trying to get y'all riled up.

Either that, or he's really dense.

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February 21st, 2016 at 6:47:08 PM permalink
Hear, hear!

Not WoN, I thought you and I made a deal, you don't renig on deals do ya? Me neither.
The latest Bac crazed answer to the most secret of questions, sssshhhh!
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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February 21st, 2016 at 7:11:46 PM permalink
I don't care what you all say but I still think Enron is still a strong buy!

So when are you guys going to gang up and get together and make sure no one would wager anymore money into bac and truly declare war on the game? LOL.

Why yes having proper Money Management will set you FRRRREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
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February 21st, 2016 at 7:24:10 PM permalink
Was changing just asking what you meant
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February 21st, 2016 at 8:24:28 PM permalink
Stay hydrated
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February 21st, 2016 at 8:49:30 PM permalink
Take the Red Pill.
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February 21st, 2016 at 9:53:10 PM permalink
Quote: lovebacgame

Hi AxleWolf. I never try play the whole shoes it more like hit and run. I noticed that I always winning at beginning but always lose my BR at the end of the night and keep doing the same thing for months . I searching the webs for some advice. I realized the problem I got is mm and learn to control my emotions need to cool off when things don't go my way. The bac game is so easy to play I think everyone agree. When I start to apply mm and some what control my emotions things working out great for me. Now I have stop lost and a realistic win goal and not go crazy chasing lost anymore (I hope ). The last 2 weeks is wonderful and feeling great. I also want to thanks DMSCR for words of advice. I just want to enjoy playing bac and not loosing money to the casinos in the long run. I always respect everyone opinions here. Thanks.

I'm certain its called a stop loss.

I think you're observations are due to extreme short term luck, selective memory, or you're using a system like martingale that has a high probably of short term success, but eventually you will go on a long losing streak. Your session will start out bad and you won't be a head at any point during that session. Perhaps you will use your stop loss money management system and come back the next day. Guess what? Eventually The same thing will happen again and again.

You can't avoid losing money in the long run with Money management unless your money management consists of never playing again.

MM just helps preserve your bankroll and allows you to play longer. You are just picking your spots and playing less hands so of course you'll lose less. Playing that way makes perfect sense you are more likely to get lucky and be a few units ahead. But again... this type of system just allows you to remain in the casino longer. You're just playing a little game within a game with yourself. You're trying to read shoes and pick the right time to bet the right amount. I assume it's probably fun for you to sit and make the game more complicated. Most people like to play guessing games because it's exciting to guess something right. Unfortunately you ARE JUST GUESSING. Your system won't fair any better than another betting style in the long run.

MM is good if you're in it for daily, weekly, monthly or occasional entertainment. Obviously If you blow out your bankroll in one night then you can't play and have nothing to look forward to.

I'm sure you have heard about gambler's fallacy.Most people just hear the words gambler's fallacy and chalk up to the simplest meaning therefore making it easy to dismiss as a fallacy itself.

I suggest you read a lot more about gambler's fallacy. There's actually some very interesting studies and research on it.
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July 24th, 2017 at 2:48:07 PM permalink
1. Set the amount you want to be ahead. Stop and Leave. Don't give it back. Be a player NOT a gambler.
2. Success is only through patience.
3. Manage your money to get through the dry spells. If long dry spell...quit or change table.
4. Trust the probability math OR lose.
5. The cards don't matter. Only the final outcome P or B. Don't exhaust yourself tracking cards.
6. NEVER bet tie. Never bet side bets.
7. There are no patterns, but there is a pattern to the patterns. Think outside the box and you will see it.
It's only a gambling problem if you're losing
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July 24th, 2017 at 2:51:57 PM permalink
Quote: Tothesea

1. Set the amount you want to be ahead. Stop and Leave. Don't give it back. Be a player NOT a gambler.



So tell us, what difference does it make if you keep going when you hit that "amount ahead" or come back at a different time?
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:01:47 PM permalink
It makes all the difference. You simply start a new shoe and beware of the probabilities and play the pattern of the patterns. I do this and sometimes have a losing day, but I never have a losing week.
It's only a gambling problem if you're losing
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:03:59 PM permalink
Quote: Tothesea

It makes all the difference. You simply start a new shoe and beware of the probabilities and play the pattern of the patterns. I do this and sometimes have a losing day, but I never have a losing week.


Ok cool. I'm on my may to make millions now! 😁
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:09:49 PM permalink
Great... All the best
It's only a gambling problem if you're losing
Ibeatyouraces
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:14:18 PM permalink
You may enjoy the truth about baccarat systems here. These are truthful though compared to your post.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/baccarat-strategy/false-strategies-in-baccarat/
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:15:19 PM permalink
I could easily make a living at Baccarat if I was a millionaire.
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:18:12 PM permalink
You simply look for an event that only happens only one occurrence in about 1 in every 3 and 1/2 shoes or even better about 1 in every 7 and 1/8 shoes. Some situations set up that only happen in less than 1 in every 100 shoes or so. Of course, that is where you put some more serious money down.
It's only a gambling problem if you're losing
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:20:44 PM permalink
Oh, I know the math goes against what I do, but it works for me.
It's only a gambling problem if you're losing
Ibeatyouraces
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:29:42 PM permalink
No. You only put serious money down when you have a verifiable edge over the game. You don't so you're going to fall. Have fun though.
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July 24th, 2017 at 3:33:03 PM permalink
Quote: Tothesea

I do this and sometimes have a losing day, but I never have a losing week.

All two of them.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 24th, 2017 at 8:53:52 PM permalink
Goodbye my love
Maybe for forever
Goodbye my love
The tide waits for me
Who knows when we shall meet again
If ever
But time
Keeps flowing like a river (on and on)
To the sea
To the sea

(The Real AP!)
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July 24th, 2017 at 8:57:09 PM permalink
Demango. Are you depressed?
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July 24th, 2017 at 9:00:05 PM permalink
Nope, just wondering if ToTheSea is an Alan Parsons Project aficionado!
Last edited by: DeMango on Jul 25, 2017
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July 24th, 2017 at 9:31:17 PM permalink
Run, my dear son
Until we get to the trees
And then keep on going all the way
We've got to get right down to the sea
It's only a gambling problem if you're losing
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July 24th, 2017 at 10:10:18 PM permalink
We had joy, we had fun
We had seasons in the sun
But the stars we could reach
Were just starfish on the beach
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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July 24th, 2017 at 10:11:56 PM permalink
Shannon is gone I hope she's drifting out to sea
She always loved to swim away
Maybe she'll find an island with a shady tree
Just like the one in our backyard
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July 25th, 2017 at 12:13:07 AM permalink
EvenBob hack y'all accounts?
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July 25th, 2017 at 1:40:21 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Shannon is gone I hope she's drifting out to sea
She always loved to swim away
Maybe she'll find an island with a shady tree
Just like the one in our backyard



Who's Dog was it? Carl's or Brian's?
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July 25th, 2017 at 5:18:38 AM permalink
Brilliant billryan. Great memories.

At the end of the day all that matters is love and memories. So make sure you give it and make sure you make them.
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To the Sea, to the Sea! The white gulls are crying,
The wind is blowing, and the white foam is flying.
West, west away, the round sun is falling.
Grey ship, grey ship, do you hear them calling,
The voices of my people that have gone before me?
I will leave, I will leave the woods that bore me;
For our days are ending and our years failing.
I will pass the wide waters lonely sailing.
Long are the waves on the Last Shore falling,
Sweet are the voices in the Lost Isle calling,
In Eressëaut, in Elvenhome that no man can discover,
Where the leaves fall not: land of my people for ever!
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July 25th, 2017 at 9:10:19 AM permalink
Great Joeman
It's only a gambling problem if you're losing
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July 4th, 2018 at 4:45:51 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti


Keep in mind the casinos can not control the way the cards come out, they are just lucky time to catch them, about 20 shoes per 6hrs will have runs of 6-7-8-9 or more. Just catch 5 per day and your all set.



You are wrong about this... I can tell you with 100% certainty they CAN control the way the cards come out, I donít know how they do it but I guarantee you they CAN!

Why do you think the dealer have to inform the foremen whenever someone make cash bet (esp. large bet) and why do you think they required players to make bet before they deal the cards FACE DOWN??? The answer is simple, they have a way to cheat!!

Just to prove my point even more, A few days ago I was stupid enough to make a few large cash bet in one hand (trying to chase my previous loss) and I lost ALL of them... I lost close to 3K in about 4 hands, I felt so devastated that I just wanted to kill myself for doing something so stupid (Iíve only played the game for one months and already got addicted to it), Iíve tried asking for help in this forum before about whether or not casino cheated but no one cared/willing to give me a conculsive response but at the end of the day I have no one to blame but myself...

I want to give judo for AxelWolf for always trying to warn people about losing eventually in the long run in the game of bacc (heís absolutely right), I wish I had listen to his advice earlier. Listen guys, casinos have to stay in business and they do this by cheating whenever they feel like it, donít lose your hard working money to casino, you canít win!! Youíve been warned!
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:00:33 PM permalink
the casino's don't cheat you...they have a mathematical edge
get second you pig
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July 5th, 2018 at 6:26:09 AM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick


Why do you think the dealer have to inform the foremen whenever someone make cash bet (esp. large bet) and why do you think they required players to make bet before they deal the cards FACE DOWN??? The answer is simple, they have a way to cheat!!



If casinos donít cheat, they would go out of business, itís a fact!
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July 5th, 2018 at 6:33:15 AM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick

If casinos donít cheat, they would go out of business, itís a fact!



I am not saying it is impossible for a casino to cheat, nor that there aren't some specific examples of it happening now, but I am saying it is not pervasive nor widespread (I'm talking brick and mortar, not internet!)

For systemic cheating to occur there has to be a team of humans who have set it up. The fact that no lowly paid worker in on the cheating hasn't ratted out the casinos is enough for me...
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July 5th, 2018 at 7:53:26 AM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick

If casinos donít cheat, they would go out of business, itís a fact!

This gets my vote for stupidest post of the year. Sorry Mav... you're mathematically just way off base. Like way, way, off base.
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July 5th, 2018 at 8:13:10 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

This gets my vote for stupidest post of the year. Sorry Mav... you're mathematically just way off base. Like way, way, off base.



A lot of people do not understand that the house has a mathematical edge in the casino games.

A lot of people, who know that the house has an edge, also assume that the edge is not important or material.

Iíve tried explaining, to friends, that something as small as a 1% edge is enough to make billions of dollars a year. Itís a futile endeavor.
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July 5th, 2018 at 10:23:38 AM permalink
20-30 times I have set at a BJ table that had the STREAK side bet. A player would ask the dealer about it. After explaining the bet, the dealer would add " If you are going to bet you will will 4 hands in a row, only bet after a losing hand. Otherwise you will have to win 5 in a row." The player would always thank the dealer for that insider advice !
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July 5th, 2018 at 10:34:39 AM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick

You are wrong about this... I can tell you with 100% certainty they CAN control the way the cards come out, I donít know how they do it but I guarantee you they CAN!

Why do you think the dealer have to inform the foremen whenever someone make cash bet (esp. large bet) and why do you think they required players to make bet before they deal the cards FACE DOWN??? The answer is simple, they have a way to cheat!!

Just to prove my point even more, A few days ago I was stupid enough to make a few large cash bet in one hand (trying to chase my previous loss) and I lost ALL of them... I lost close to 3K in about 4 hands, I felt so devastated that I just wanted to kill myself for doing something so stupid (Iíve only played the game for one months and already got addicted to it), Iíve tried asking for help in this forum before about whether or not casino cheated but no one cared/willing to give me a conculsive response but at the end of the day I have no one to blame but myself...

I want to give judo for AxelWolf for always trying to warn people about losing eventually in the long run in the game of bacc (heís absolutely right), I wish I had listen to his advice earlier. Listen guys, casinos have to stay in business and they do this by cheating whenever they feel like it, donít lose your hard working money to casino, you canít win!! Youíve been warned!

Hi NM,
Welcome again.... But every sentence, phrase and word of what you wrote is just plain wrong, Wrong, WRONG. Casinos don't need to cheat at Baccarat because they have that wounderous edge, coupled with innumerable (and innumerate) players who are so mathematically inept that they think Martingale or chasing losses is a winning system and that the gamblers' fallacy is from and for fools.

If you lost close to $3k in about 4 hands, then you had a perfectly normal event. Unless you were martying with a stupidly high bankroll, you were always likely to lose your shirt. Chasing losses is a mugs game, I know: it's made a mug out of me often enough. Undo that addiction and it will have been $3k well spent. If you'd won, the addiction would have grown deeper and set you up for a bigger fall.
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July 5th, 2018 at 11:22:59 AM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick

Listen guys, casinos have to stay in business and they do this by cheating whenever they feel like it, donít lose your hard working money to casino, you canít win!! Youíve been warned!



What other conspiracy theories are you into?
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July 5th, 2018 at 11:47:33 AM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick

If casinos donít cheat, they would go out of business, itís a fact!



This is the kind of crap they spewed
at GG all the time. The sad thing is,
casinos don't need to cheat
to get all your money. Math challenged
gamblers hand it over to them willingly.
Last edited by: EvenBob on Jul 5, 2018
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July 5th, 2018 at 11:59:34 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The sad thing is,
casinos don't need to cheat at all
to get all your money. Math challenged
gamblers hand it over to them willingly.



You're absolutely right.
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July 5th, 2018 at 12:33:24 PM permalink
Even sharp mathematically-inclined people will play at a big disadvantage when they step up to a casino table with a game that they have never seen before. The first time I entered a casino and played blackjack, I hit 14 and lower and stood on 15 or higher (vs any dealer card) -because I couldn't figure out the strategy in my head and had never read about the game.

Anyone playing a new video game for the first time will experience something similar.

Casinos win at a much higher rate than the house edge because it takes a lot of work to learn how to play a game well. And, of course, some people never put in the effort to learn.
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July 5th, 2018 at 12:49:53 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Casinos win at a much higher rate than the house edge because



Casinos win at a higher rate because
people recycle their winnings. Lets
say you bet $100, $5 at a time on
roulette. Lets say you won $90 and
lost $10. Do you leave? Heck no,
you take the $90 you won and reinvest
it in the casino bank, which pays itself
a percentage of your investment.
You do this with your winnings until
your $100 is gone. I see this every
time I play.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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July 5th, 2018 at 1:49:59 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Casinos win at a higher rate because
people recycle their winnings. .... I see this every
time I play.



Uh! but you play!
So, EB, you subject every dollar you lay down to the self same house edge?

Nothing wrong with recreational gambling, of course. Lots of us do it all the time.
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July 5th, 2018 at 2:21:07 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear


So, EB, you subject every dollar you lay down to the self same house edge?



Maybe..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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July 5th, 2018 at 3:11:44 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I am not saying it is impossible for a casino to cheat, nor that there aren't some specific examples of it happening now, but I am saying it is not pervasive nor widespread (I'm talking brick and mortar, not internet!)

For systemic cheating to occur there has to be a team of humans who have set it up. The fact that no lowly paid worker in on the cheating hasn't ratted out the casinos is enough for me...



The ones (surveillance people) who truly know whatís going on are definitely not low paid, do you think the casino really willing to tell their secret to their employees lol?
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July 5th, 2018 at 3:24:27 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Hi NM,
Welcome again.... But every sentence, phrase and word of what you wrote is just plain wrong, Wrong, WRONG. Casinos don't need to cheat at Baccarat because they have that wounderous edge, coupled with innumerable (and innumerate) players who are so mathematically inept that they think Martingale or chasing losses is a winning system and that the gamblers' fallacy is from and for fools.

If you lost close to $3k in about 4 hands, then you had a perfectly normal event. Unless you were martying with a stupidly high bankroll, you were always likely to lose your shirt. Chasing losses is a mugs game, I know: it's made a mug out of me often enough. Undo that addiction and it will have been $3k well spent. If you'd won, the addiction would have grown deeper and set you up for a bigger fall.



When I first got into gambling, I set small winning goal on a daily basis for myself, usually $20 with $100 starting bankroll and told myself to leave after my daily goal is met which I had no problem following through, as soon as I made that $20 Iím usually out of the casino door in no time. My BIGGEST problem when it comes gambling was I didnít know when to leave if Iím behind and couldnít met my daily goal($20), as youíve probably guessed, I kept marty betting to chase my loss (even if it meant risk big money for small return) and also in hope of making my daily goal in the process but things donít alway go according to my plan and when it failed, it hit me pretty hard.... hard lesson learned!

anyway thx for ur response OnceDear
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July 5th, 2018 at 3:31:10 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

What other conspiracy theories are you into?



Iím not into any kind of conspiracy theories, Iím just simply stating my personal opinion on this matter
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July 5th, 2018 at 3:38:52 PM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick


Why do you think the dealer have to inform the foremen whenever someone make cash bet (esp. large bet) and why do you think they required players to make bet before they deal the cards FACE DOWN???



I find it extremely ironic that all of you guys are saying Iím wrong about casino cheating when NO one is able to answer the questions I asked in my earlier post lol....
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July 5th, 2018 at 3:43:20 PM permalink
Quote: NightMaverick

I find it extremely ironic that all of you guys are saying Iím wrong about casino cheating when NO one is able to answer the questions I asked in my earlier post lol....

there's 25 pages in this pointless thread. Please point out your enigmatic questions
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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