2020 Election
Quote: TomGLike Trump, I have very strong opinions about Kamala Harris and these issues. But that's only because of the political party she belongs to. If this was about someone on the other side, my opinions would be the complete opposite. I think that is one thing everyone here can agree on.
I disagree with that. A moron is a moron, regardless of which party they belong to. Plenty of Republicans I think are very fine people. Plenty of Democrats I think are utter buffoons. To paraphrase Tolkien- I'm not entirely on anyone's side as no one is entirely on my side.
I was a registered Republican for well over forty years. I didn't leave the party, it left me.
Quote: BoxSo I’m going to say he was obviously a loser in life
Well, as always, you'd be wrong. He was a small business owner for 20 years in Alaska, moved up here to work on the pipeline, had two kids, two grandchildren, and retired and moved to Florida eight years ago.
He was coming at it from a non-selfish point of view which you have no ability to do. Which, ironically, is not surprising, because the boomer generation was the most selfish generation in the history of our country. You took a vibrant economy, habitually cut your own taxes, ignored our infrastructure, ignored our education system, ignored climate change, all while gradually bankrupting our country, leaving the next generations to pay YOUR bills. You grew up at a time of uninterrupted prosperity, took it for granted, and have done NOTHING to pass even a resemblance of what you inherited onto the next generations. Greed is good. Seriously, we all thank you. You did a wonderful job.
What's the gross debt-to-GDP ratio today? What was it before you took over?
How does our infrastructure look today? How did it look before you took over?
Have wages kept up with inflation? No? You have been running things for what, 35 years? What have you done to fix it?
What about income disparity? What have you done to address the problem? Wait, that's right, you don't even THINK it's a problem. Earnings by top 1% have tripled over 50 years while middle-class wages have been frozen. Yeah, that's not a problem, right?
Among the 35 richest countries in the world, America has the highest infant mortality rate and the lowest life expectancy. Awesome job!
Cost of tuition? It's risen TWICE the level of inflation. How much student loan debt do we have today compared to what it was before people like you started making decisions? The average student borrows six times more from the feds to finance education, per year, than the average student in 1970, adjusted for inflation.
Pew reports that middle-class families today are 5% LESS wealthy than their parents were at the same point in their lives, adjusting for inflation, even though families today are FAR MORE likely to include two wage earners instead of one.
Seriously could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on
You say you want to Make America Great Again? Prove it and get the f**k out of the way.
Quote: SteverinosI'm going to try to keep it as civil as I can. You called me and people like me traitors in the other thread, and while I think it warrants yet another suspension for you, I'm going to try avoid receiving my first.
Quote: BoxSo I’m going to say he was obviously a loser in life
Well, as always, you'd be wrong. He was a small business owner for 20 years in Alaska, moved up here to work on the pipeline, had two kids, two grandchildren, and retired and moved to Florida eight years ago.
He was coming at it from a non-selfish point of view which you have no ability to do. Which, ironically, is not surprising, because the boomer generation was the most selfish generation in the history of our country. You took a vibrant economy, habitually cut your own taxes, ignored our infrastructure, ignored our education system, ignored climate change, all while gradually bankrupting our country, leaving the next generations to pay YOUR bills. You grew up at a time of uninterrupted prosperity, took it for granted, and have done NOTHING to pass even a resemblance of what you inherited onto the next generations. Greed is good. Seriously, we all thank you. You did a wonderful job.
What's the gross debt-to-GDP ratio today? What was it before you took over?
How does our infrastructure look today? How did it look before you took over?
Have wages kept up with inflation? No? You have been running things for what, 35 years? What have you done to fix it?
What about income disparity? What have you done to address the problem? Wait, that's right, you don't even THINK it's a problem. Earnings by top 1% have tripled over 50 years while middle-class wages have been frozen. Yeah, that's not a problem, right?
Among the 35 richest countries in the world, America has the highest infant mortality rate and the lowest life expectancy. Awesome job!
Cost of tuition? It's risen TWICE the level of inflation. How much student loan debt do we have today compared to what it was before people like you started making decisions? The average student borrows six times more from the feds to finance education, per year, than the average student in 1970, adjusted for inflation.
Pew reports that middle-class families today are 5% LESS wealthy than their parents were at the same point in their lives, adjusting for inflation, even though families today are FAR MORE likely to include two wage earners instead of one.
Seriously could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on
You say you want to Make America Great Again? Prove it and get the f**k out of the way.
Did the boomers do it or did the bankers perpetuate it? They have you right where they put you. Wake up and free yourself.
Quote: SteverinosI'm going to try to keep it as civil as I can. You called me and people like me traitors in the other thread, and while I think it warrants yet another suspension for you, I'm going to try avoid receiving my first.
Quote: BoxSo I’m going to say he was obviously a loser in life
Well, as always, you'd be wrong. He was a small business owner for 20 years in Alaska, moved up here to work on the pipeline, had two kids, two grandchildren, and retired and moved to Florida eight years ago.
He was coming at it from a non-selfish point of view which you have no ability to do. Which, ironically, is not surprising, because the boomer generation was the most selfish generation in the history of our country. You took a vibrant economy, habitually cut your own taxes, ignored our infrastructure, ignored our education system, ignored climate change, all while gradually bankrupting our country, leaving the next generations to pay YOUR bills. You grew up at a time of uninterrupted prosperity, took it for granted, and have done NOTHING to pass even a resemblance of what you inherited onto the next generations. Greed is good. Seriously, we all thank you. You did a wonderful job.
What's the gross debt-to-GDP ratio today? What was it before you took over?
How does our infrastructure look today? How did it look before you took over?
Have wages kept up with inflation? No? You have been running things for what, 35 years? What have you done to fix it?
What about income disparity? What have you done to address the problem? Wait, that's right, you don't even THINK it's a problem. Earnings by top 1% have tripled over 50 years while middle-class wages have been frozen. Yeah, that's not a problem, right?
Among the 35 richest countries in the world, America has the highest infant mortality rate and the lowest life expectancy. Awesome job!
Cost of tuition? It's risen TWICE the level of inflation. How much student loan debt do we have today compared to what it was before people like you started making decisions? The average student borrows six times more from the feds to finance education, per year, than the average student in 1970, adjusted for inflation.
Pew reports that middle-class families today are 5% LESS wealthy than their parents were at the same point in their lives, adjusting for inflation, even though families today are FAR MORE likely to include two wage earners instead of one.
Seriously could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on
You say you want to Make America Great Again? Prove it and get the f**k out of the way.
America, I love it. Sorry your father felt this way. At least he found his way here to Florida, a state with no income tax that shows it can be done. Taxing others equally and fairly works here. All the rest you posted, a waste of time other than I agree colleges are a scam put forth by liberal socialists like it sounds like your father supported.
And he sticks out at Happy Hour in his Che T-Shirt. Next time I see him, I’ll buy him a beer.
Quote: BozI’m going to assume your father isn’t a member here and while I don’t think he is a public figure, he is still open game here like President Trump.
So I’m going to say he was obviously a loser in life and was a disappointment to many. And it appears he was a bitter man for never making anything of his life and blaming others for his life decisions. Sad, but not unexpected.
No clue how you see him.
Time for another new rule?
I don’t think it’ll be a new rule... I got suspended at DT for “insulting” a member’s wife (it wasn’t really an insult).
Quote: BozI’m going to assume your father isn’t a member here and while I don’t think he is a public figure, he is still open game here like President Trump.
So I’m going to say he was obviously a loser in life and was a disappointment to many. And it appears he was a bitter man for never making anything of his life and blaming others for his life decisions. Sad, but not unexpected.
No clue how you see him.
Time for another new rule?
I think your assumption is mistaken and unacceptable. You are attacking steverinos personally through disparaging his father. I don't see any foundation for these conclusions and characterizations from what steverinos posted.
Trying to hide "yo mama" insults behind a technical veil of any unknown person being a public figure by default does not cancel the intent to insult personally. You're out of bounds here, Boz. Do not insult by proxy.
I strongly suspect you did this just to test the waters, based on your extraneous remarks. There was an initial volley by you, a similar response by steverinos, and you escalated it to here.
WARNING to you, and the forum in general. Further rudeness to people through their immediate family is not an acceptable tactic.
We can be pretty vicious to each other and no doubt I have been guilty of that
I just came across this story
Patton Oswalt, an actor has over 4 million twitter followers
He tweeted this regarding Trump "You like pomes? I like pomes too! Here’s a pome I wroted:
ROSES ARE RED
TOMMY SHAW WAS IN STYX
YOU’RE GOING TO RESIGN
EAT A BUCKET OF D**KS"
Michael Beatty, Trump supporter, saw the tweet and responded with "I just realized why I was so happy you died in Blade Trinity! And you shoot basketball ike the sawed off little man you are"
Patton Oswalt read Michael Beatty's profile and saw he had some serious medical problems with a go fund me link. Patton tweted to his 4.4 million followers "Aw, man. This dude just attacked me on Twitter and I joked back but then I looked at his timeline and he’s in a LOT of trouble health-wise. I’d be pissed off too. He’s been dealt some shitty cards — let’s deal him some good ones. Click and donate — just like I’m about to."
Michael Beatty had a 5k goal. Patton donated 2k and his followers got the total over 30k
Michael Beatty tweeted "Patton. You have humbled me to the point where I can barely compose my words. You have caused me to take pause and reflect on how harmful words from my mouth could result in such an outpouring. Thank you for this and I will pass this on to my cousin who needs help. A cascade."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/patton-oswalt-troll-fan-go-fund-me_us_5c4a36b9e4b0287e5b8932b8
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2019/01/25/patton-oswalt-feuds-twitter-trump-fan-pays-his-medical-bills/2676052002/
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-mg-patton-oswalt-twitter-medical-bills-20190125-story.html
*snicker*
The Governor of Virginia has made a statement about the doctor and mother deciding what to do with a baby AFTER it has been delivered.
I understand that some babies will not live, but once they are born they are no longer a non-person (not that I believe they are; that is how the laws and courts have treated them)...they are a person and have rights, too.
Quote: RonCI took this out of the "Trump Dump" thread because this issue could well have some impact on the 2020 election. The bills signed by the governor of NY and the statement mentioned below are expanding the limits on abortion in some states. Some already had this kind of standard, or something like it.
I read the bill
I am ok with it
Late term abortions are very very very rare but if a DR says its in the best interest of the mothers health, well, I go with the DR
To me its a freedom issue
The Dr and patient should have the freedom to do what's best for a woman's health.
I think its shocking that some conservatives want to interfere with a Dr's decision
Talk about being against freedom
Quote: terapinedI read the bill
I am ok with it
Late term abortions are very very very rare but if a DR says its in the best interest of the mothers health, well, I go with the DR
To me its a freedom issue
The Dr and patient should have the freedom to do what's best for a woman's health.
I think its shocking that some conservatives want to interfere with a Dr's decision
Talk about being against freedom
Once the child is born, it is no longer abortion. If we go by the current standard that an unborn child or "fetus" is not a human being and US citizen and, at birth, it becomes both of those things being the lowest possible standard, the Dr and mother deciding to terminate the life of the baby would then be murderers.
The least acceptable standard, even for those committed to allowing wide open abortions, should be that you can't kill a baby that has been delivered.
Quote: RonCOnce the child is born, it is no longer abortion. .
I agree
but
I still support DR and patient rights over govt interference.
I support FREEDOM
Former Obama adviser David Axelrod tweeted that it would be such a "gift" to Trump that the president should give Starbucks free rent in Trump Tower.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/689536814/why-howard-schultzs-independent-bid-for-president-is-a-radical-idea
I don't know if that is true, but him getting support of a nice percentage of folks in the middle would likely temper the move to the far left the Socialist wing of the party is taking it in right now.
Quote: terapinedI agree
but
I still support DR and patient rights over govt interference.
I support FREEDOM
So do you support any law that would allow the life of a child who is actually born (not eliminated before birth) to be taken away?
Quote: RonCSo do you support any law that would allow the life of a child who is actually born (not eliminated before birth) to be taken away?
of course not
The law in question allows late term abortions due to a Dr's decision regarding a women's health.
Have you read the law?
Both sides of the aisle are against murder. Try to keep up :-)
Quote: FaceBout time. See you at the next GOA meeting.
The problem is some gunowners deny other humans the freedom to live
I am ok with freedom until somebody uses their freedom to deny another person their freedom
Quote: terapinedof course not
The law in question allows late term abortions due to a Dr's decision regarding a women's health.
Have you read the law?
Both sides of the aisle are against murder. Try to keep up :-)
Yes, I have read the proposed changes to the current law in Virginia.
"Virginia Democratic Del. Kathy Tran, one of the sponsors, sparked outrage from conservatives when she was asked at a hearing if a woman about to give birth and dilating could still request an abortion. The bill was tabled in committee this week.
“My bill would allow that, yes,” she said."
So the Governor of Virgina alluded to getting the baby out and going from there:
“So in this particular example if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/va-gov-faces-backlash-for-comments-on-controversial-third-trimester-abortion-bill
He said that the "infant would be delivered"--he is a pediatric neurologist, so I am 100% sure he knows that delivery means that a person has been born and it is no longer a fetus any longer. I understand that there are some infants born that will not live but this law allows more room than necessary to handle just those kind of situations. Also, it does not speak to the viability of the fully-developed "fetus"--I'm sorry, the "Freedom" to potentially kill a healthy baby at the last possible second is something that the law should guard against, not allow an opening for.
Regardless
The LEFT is against murdering a baby. Try to keep up
I'm not a conservative. A lot of conservatives defend all the dumb things trump says
If a lib says something dumb. Well, what they said is dumb and I don't defend dumb like some conservatives do
I am fine with the law
If the DR determines that the mothers life is in danger due to a pregnancy
I support the DR's decision to save the Women's life regardless if it will be a late term abortion
Do conservatives actually want to let a mother die????????
Quote: terapined
I am fine with the law
If the DR determines that the mothers life is in danger due to a pregnancy
I support the DR's decision to save the Women's life regardless if it will be a late term abortion
Do conservatives actually want to let a mother die????????
I understand your position, but it doesn't address the problems with the law.
There is a huge difference between the mother possible dying, a unborn child who has no chance of living, and the mother being inconvenienced with a child that she did not intend to have. The three doctor procedure at least would have some review of the "why" that would alleviate the possibility of the last one. The law leaves an opening big enough to drive that truck through. The sponsor of the bill admitted it.
Quote: RonCI understand your position, but it doesn't address the problems with the law.
The law leaves an opening big enough to drive that truck through.
As long as the DR is driving, I'm ok with it
Health care can get complicated. Give the DR the freedom to make the best decision possible
Legislating health care complications is absurd
People who are "in favor" of abortion see abortion as the solution to a problem.
That's why this argument will never be settled; people are arguing two different things.
Quote: TigerWuPeople who are "against" abortion see abortion as the problem to be solved.
People who are "in favor" of abortion see abortion as the solution to a problem.
That's why this argument will never be settled; people are arguing two different things.
I am personally against abortion
but
I am not against the right to have an abortion
I am personally against alcohol. Tastes like crap, ruins lives. Not my drug of choice
but
I am not against the right to drink alcohol
Quote: terapinedI am personally against abortion
but
I am not against the right to have an abortion
Wow. Just, wow. I would say more
but don't want to get suspended
over something I said to you..
You're so close. Keep it up!
Quote: ams288Come on, guys. Everyone knows the abortion debate will finally be settled on a Vegas message board by a bunch of men who aren't doctors*.
You're so close. Keep it up!Anesthesiologists don't count.
Like all of the other political debates here?
No matter how hard any of us try to get rid of, or how much we dislike, any politician nothing posted on this board makes one ounce of difference overall.
Why single out abortion?
Quote: RonC
No matter how hard any of us try to get rid of, or how much we dislike, any politician nothing posted on this board makes one ounce of difference overall.
Why single out abortion?
Exactly. Good post. Nobodies mind has
ever been changed about anything
on a forum. We post to clarify our own
thoughts, no to change others. If that's
your intention, to make others switch
sides, man are you wasting your time..
Quote: terapinedI am personally against abortion
but
I am not against the right to have an abortion
I am personally against alcohol. Tastes like crap, ruins lives. Not my drug of choice
but
I am not against the right to drink alcohol
Wtf
Abortion is not a right
I cannot get an abortion because I want one
Some people can. I support ALL humans rights including babies.
Some person made an argument for retroactive abortion
Disgusting
Quote: mcallister3200Wtf
Abortion is not a right
I cannot get an abortion because I want one
Some people can. I support ALL humans rights including babies.
Some person made an argument for retroactive abortion
Disgusting
Yes, I made a joke about retroactive abortions. Whereas you made a post wishing my dog would get hit by a car and die and you hoped I'd be there to see it.
Which of the two is truly disgusting?
Quote: mcallister3200Wtf
Abortion is not a right
I cannot get an abortion because I want one
Some people can. I support ALL humans rights including babies.
Some person made an argument for retroactive abortion
Disgusting
Abortion is one choice too many.
95% of women who get abortions
made bad choices all the way till
they got pregnant. Then they want
the choice of making all the other
bad choices go away.
Real life isn't like that, we all have
to live with our bad choices. There
is no quick fix to make it like they
never happened. Never met a
woman who had an abortion who
didn't regret it later in life.
Quote: billryanYes, I made a joke about retroactive abortions. Whereas you made a post wishing my dog would get hit by a car and die and you hoped I'd be there to see it.
Which of the two is truly disgusting?
I suppose both would take it back if I could Bill.
Quote: RonCWhy single out abortion?
Because you are men who I assume cannot carry a fetus to term. Therefore the issue has absolutely no effect on your life whatsoever.
Quote: ams288Because you are men who I assume cannot carry a fetus to term. Therefore the issue has absolutely no effect on your life whatsoever.
So you think that when you're GF/wife
has an abortion it has no effect on your
life? Really?
Quote: EvenBobSo you think that when you're GF/wife
has an abortion it has no effect on your
life? Really?
I doubt ams is too worried about his gf/wife having an abortion.
Quote: EvenBobSo you think that when you're GF/wife
has an abortion it has no effect on your
life? Really?
We all know the number one reason women have abortions is just to piss off their BF/husbands who want a child, right?
Quote: mcallister3200I doubt ams is too worried about his gf/wife having an abortion.
I was friends with a middle aged
antique dealer in the 90's. His long
time GF got pregnant and he was
ecstatic. She got an abortion a
month later without telling him.
He was so distraught he got drunk
and blew his brains out with his .45.
The abortion seemed to effect him
greatly.
Quote: EvenBobI was friends with a middle aged
antique dealer in the 90's. His long
time GF got pregnant and he was
ecstatic. She got an abortion a
month later without telling him.
He was so distraught he got drunk
and blew his brains out with his .45.
The abortion seemed to effect him
greatly.
Sounds like the .45 had a bigger effect on him.
Quote: ams288Sounds like the .45 had a bigger effect on him.
The exact kind of response I would expect
from you.
Quote: EvenBobThe abortion seemed to effect him
greatly.
Sounds like a "personal responsibility" issue to me.
Quote: mcallister3200I suppose both would take it back if I could Bill.
An apology would go a long way.
Quote: SteverinosSounds like a "personal responsibility" issue to me.
He really wanted a child and felt
totally betrayed by his GF. We
think he was being melodramatic
with he gun and didn't really mean
to kill himself, but we'll never know.
Quote: ams288Because you are men who I assume cannot carry a fetus to term. Therefore the issue has absolutely no effect on your life whatsoever.
Really? That is absurd. I won't change your mind, of course, but it does impact men, families, etc. in many ways.
Quote: RonCReally? That is absurd. I won't change your mind, of course, but it does impact men, families, etc. in many ways.
Sure it impacts a man
but
The impact on a man isn't even in the ball park as the impact on a Woman
Quote: terapinedSure it impacts a man
but
The impact on a man isn't even in the ball park as the impact on a Woman
So the statement that it has no impact is false.
It is obvious who it has the "most" impact on...the unborn child. They never get the life that began to develop before they were aborted. Second place goes to the woman who has the abortion.
Quote: RonC
It is obvious who it has the "most" impact on...the unborn child. They never get the life that began to develop before they were aborted. Second place goes to the woman who has the abortion.
Yes, I’m sure the unborn child’s concern is immeasurable, considering its inability to think about the question at hand.
Quote: Mission146Yes, I’m sure the unborn child’s concern is immeasurable, considering its inability to think about the question at hand.
I didn't ascribe to the aborted baby as feeling or knowing what was happening; I simply said that the life that was ahead for that whatever you feel like calling it was taken away.
The reason many woman feel remorse for having abortions is because they realize that they have taken life away from something.
Quote: RonCReally? That is absurd. I won't change your mind, of course, but it does impact men, families, etc. in many ways.
How has YOUR life been impacted by abortion?
Quote: ams288How has YOUR life been impacted by abortion?
What an absolutely idiotic question to ask someone when trying to attack them for a position or belief in something other than what you believe.
There all kinds of things that have little, or no, impact on us for which we still have opinions about.
The issue has come up in my life and had an impact on it, but it doesn't mean that is required in order for me to have an opinion.
Are part of the thought police?
