2020 Election
Quote: AZDuffmanThe state of CA is a crazy, gilded society. People vote liberal in part because they dislike income disparity. Meanwhile they live among the worst of it in the USA. They claim to value "personal freedom" yet have the most restrictions on virtually everything in sight. In large parts of the state you need to make six figures to just lead a meager existence. Poop and needles litter the sidewalks in SF. LA is a homeless capital.
There is not enough money to get me to live there. I don't want to even visit again for the most part.
There's a quote I hear on reddit all the time regarding politics: rules for thee, but not for me. sounds like it applys in CA a lot.
Quote: djatcThere's a quote I hear on reddit all the time regarding politics: rules for thee, but not for me. sounds like it applys in CA a lot.
I like how that's phrased very much.
I usually say, "Nobody proposes laws or regulations to stop THEMSELVES from doing something. It's always to stop someone else doing something they disapprove of."
Yours is much more concise.
And also frequently true on this board.
Quote: beachbumbabsI like how that's phrased very much.
I usually say, "Nobody proposes laws or regulations to stop THEMSELVES from doing something. It's always to stop someone else doing something they disapprove of."
Yours is much more concise.
And also frequently true on this board.
Is that an OFFICIAL opinion? ;-)
One day we will lure you into the political right side.
We don't need no stinking rulesQuote: beachbumbabsI like how that's phrased very much.
I usually say, "Nobody proposes laws or regulations to stop THEMSELVES from doing something. It's always to stop someone else doing something they disapprove of."
Yours is much more concise.
And also frequently true on this board.
Quote: beachbumbabs
And also frequently true on this board.
Yes, very much so.
Quote: RonCThis is the source quoted for the 45,000 number (it is a few pages ago).harvard
Unless relevant numbers are available, the 45,000 number for fatalities renders itself meaningless largely because it pre-dates that advent of the Affordable Care Act.
\Quote: TigerWu45,000 people die a year in the U.S. because they can't afford medical care, despite the U.S. having the highest per capita expenditure for healthcare in the world. [
What are you talking about? I just listed off a bunch of them. Costa Rica, a major "medical tourism" destination is not green, but the un-de-marked gray. And what is the source for that 45,000m fatalities a year?
This kind of figure is always suspect as there is a lot of guessing involved. On one hand, the ER is full of people who go then refuse to pay their bill so "we all pay." The next minute, people are passing on medical care because they cannot afford it. Whatever suits the narrative of those who want socialized medicine at the time I guess.
Many who die because they "cannot afford it" are probably simply making a value judgment. I am predisposed to certain types of cancer, but have already decided I will no way do chemo, even if I could afford it. This could be counted as "he could not afford it so he did not take treatment." Or maybe I can afford it but it would near wipe me out. I'd rather just have a shorter but higher quality of life and leave my money to the dog shelter.
For comparison we need to find out how many die in places like Canada and the UK because they had to wait for care.
Quote: SanchoPanzaQuote: RonCThis is the source quoted for the 45,000 number (it is a few pages ago).harvard
Unless relevant numbers are available, the 45,000 number for fatalities renders itself meaningless largely because it pre-dates that advent of the Affordable Care Act.
I did not originally use it; I also quoted a source that said the number was not accurate.
Quote: RonCKamala Harris (D-CA) has announced her campaign for the Presidency.
Who says you can’t sleep your way to the top anymore?
At least she will win CA if she gets to the general against Trump.
Quote: BozAt least she will win CA if she gets to the general against Trump.
She's unlikable, boring, a poor public
speaker, has a bad temper and a closet
full of skeletons for the Right to rattle.
She has my endorsement for president.
OMG
How will she win the Dem nomination????????
I cant imagine the turmoil the campaign is going thru losing Bill O's vote
LOL, sarcasm of course
I'm on pins and needles wondering if Ann Coulter will decide if Kamala will or wont get her vote lol
Quote: terapinedBill O'Reilly tweeted yesterday that he is not voting for Kamala Harris
OMG
How will she win the Dem nomination????????
I cant imagine the turmoil the campaign is going thru losing Bill O's vote
LOL, sarcasm of course
I'm on pins and needles wondering if Ann Coulter will decide if Kamala will or wont get her vote lol
Coulter may primary Trump from the right, making those debates must see tv. I wonder if the other "news networks" will enter their own candidates. Now that trump has abandoned the cement makers of the country in favor of steel, will they still support him?
Quote: billryanCoulter may primary Trump from the right, making those debates must see tv. I wonder if the other "news networks" will enter their own candidates. Now that trump has abandoned the cement makers of the country in favor of steel, will they still support him?
Who is farther right then Trump
David Duke? He's unelectable.
Hmm
I said the same thing about Trump lol
Quote: terapinedWho is farther right then Trump
David Duke? He's unelectable.
Hmm
I said the same thing about Trump lol
trump isn't a conservative. He is a CON but that's a whole nutter story.
Quote: billryanAny Democrat will destroy trump in California. The Democrats don't need anyone from there on the ticket. What they can use is someone from Florida or Ohio.
I would suggest that the Democrats really just need someone that voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania like a little bit more than Hillary. All three states, which had voted Democratic for POTUS since 1992, Hillary lost by razor-thin margins.
Candidates elected POTUS do tend to get re-elected. Since 1968 only Carter and Bush 41 have lost re-election bids.
However, Trump has proven to be a profoundly unpopular president. Compared to the preceding twelve presidents, Trump has consistenly the lowest approval ratings. This does not mean Trump can't win in 2020. Though it does suggest a low ceiling to support for Trump.
In recent POTUS elections Republicans generally seem to have a low ceiling. Since 1992, with one exception, Republicans have received no more than 47.9% of the popular vote. Over the same time frame Democrats, with one exception, have received at least 48.2% of the popular vote. As unlikable as Hillary appears, nearly three million more voters liked her more than Donald for POTUS in 2016.
So, again, Democrats just need a candidate a little bit more likable than Hillary.
How difficult can that be?
Everyone else is running to be the alternative to him.
Quote: BozThe Ugandan Giant won’t last long in the primaries. They are all trying to be the alternative to Uncle Bernie. He has enough kids that never had to work for anything in their life who believe in his free everything agenda to keep him in it for a while.
Everyone else is running to be the alternative to him.
It seems like Bernie really did make a big impact, in a great way even after he lost if people are still looking at him as a sort of Blueprint and trying to follow in his footsteps.
Quote: BozWho says you can’t sleep your way to the top anymore?
Donald Trump was having bareback sex with a pornstar while his wife was at home nursing a newborn Barron. We did not know this before the 2016 election due to the illegal hush payments.
So if you wanna make the 2020 election about the candidates’ sexual proclivities, so be it!
Quote: ams288Donald Trump was having bareback sex with a pornstar while his wife was at home nursing a newborn Barron. We did not know this before the 2016 election due to the illegal hush payments.
So if you wanna make the 2020 election about the candidates’ sexual proclivities, so be it!
Yeah. Trump slept his way to the bottom
Quote: ams288Donald Trump was having bareback sex with a pornstar while his wife was at home nursing a newborn Barron. We did not know this before the 2016 election due to the illegal hush payments.
So if you wanna make the 2020 election about the candidates’ sexual proclivities, so be it!
No, I’m fine listening to 20 crazies trying to one up each other on who will give voters more free stuff.
No income tax on the 1st $100,000 is sure to be proposed by one of them.
Quote: BozNo, I’m fine listening to 20 crazies trying to one up each other on who will give voters more free stuff.
No income tax on the 1st $100,000 is sure to be proposed by one of them.
I don't care who she slept with...I do care about how we will pay for all of the things they are promising.
If I ask a person if they want free health care, it is fairly easy to get a "yes" answer.
If I tell the same person how much extra in taxes will be required, the "yes" answer is a little harder.
If that same person finds out that, because of their income level, the new taxes required will cost them more than the insurance they are currently paying for and our fairly happy with, the "yes" answer becomes really hard.
"Free" is great...until you have to pay for it!
Quote: mcallister3200My health insurance is now 30% of what a equivalent plan had cost me on the Obamacare marketplace for someone self employed in their 30’s relatively healthy without getting their plan subsidized. 30%. Is that affordable health care, where an average not wealthy not even a millionaire single person is supposed to required by law to be paying for three other people’s healthcare?
You are just selfish and don’t care about your fellow Americans less fortunate than you.
After all, EVERYONE has a right to Health Care, regardless of what you believe or how hard you worked.
Don’t believe me? Ask the libs on here, and even worse, the Democratic candidates running in 2020.
But life isn’t fair.
I’d rather pay a little more than let them die on the street. It’s amazing to me that people think otherwise.
Quote: FinsRuleIt’s not fair that I have to pay for another person’s healthcare.
But life isn’t fair.
I’d rather pay a little more than let them die on the street. It’s amazing to me that people think otherwise.
Color you amazed at me then. While dying on the street is a rare occurrence, it does happen with homeless.
Life isn’t fair that someone is homeless, therefore I should either let them move in with me, or we should give them a home. But what about their utilities then? And food? And what about cigarettes?
Ok, we give everyone in America free homes and HC. What about those starving and homeless around the world? Should we pay for them as well? Where does it end?
One could argue in many places around the world humans have no chance to ever have a decent life based on factors they can not control. Can you say that about anyone of sound Body & Mind in America?
So should we help others around the world instead of people here who made life choices to be a drain on working society?
Slippery slope fallacy doesn’t work with me. “Where does it end?” Let’s pick a spot where it ends. It’ll be somewhere between people dying in the streets and letting strangers move in with you and you buying them cigarettes.
Quote: BozAfter all, EVERYONE has a right to Health Care, regardless of what you believe or how hard you worked.
One of the most reasonable things you’ve ever said.
Too bad you were being sarcastic.
Quote: FinsRuleIt’s not fair that I have to pay for another person’s healthcare.
But life isn’t fair.
I’d rather pay a little more than let them die on the street. It’s amazing to me that people think otherwise.
I agree
I don't have kids
yet most of my property tax goes to support the education system
I am fine by that. All kids should get a free education. I'll pay for it and am paying for it
At that point I realized that trying to describe to him how it actually works (IE: government doesn’t just have infinite money, and that doctors and medicine cost money, and the whole tax thing existing) would be like trying to teach Calculus to a dog when it has no sense of something as basic as addition.
And no, he’s not poor or anything like that. He does well for himself and is comfortable financially, but he’s not loaded. It’s not like he’s trying to live off the government’s teet like some hooligans.
Quote: RSHe was adamant that it’s 100% free, all paid for by government, people pay nothing.
This is what feeds the Socialist tendencies showing up in the Democrat party right now. If they can say it and convince enough ignorant people to believe in it being "free", they don't have to worry about nasty little things like costs and raising the money to cover those costs. Unless a more center-leaning Democrat gets traction, they will get all the way to the nomination without really being pushed by their own side on the tremendous cost of "free."
Nothing we give ourselves is free...they befuddle their uneducated and educated fools by telling them the "government" is giving it to them. Those folks don't remember, or weren't taught, that the government is paid for by the people.
I'm not happy with any of the fiscal irresponsibility out there; Republicans are not free of guilt for that.
If these crazy Democratic Socialists gain significant power, they will screw things up worse than any of us can imagine.
If a homeless person dies in the street, they are dying at home. Who wouldn't want that?Quote: BozColor you amazed at me then. While dying on the street is a rare occurrence, it does happen with homeless.
That may sound cruel to some, but as long as it's fairly quick I'd prefer that to 15 years intubated in a nursing home with someone cleaning me when they got around to it.
Some homeless still have their pride.
#Bring back mercy killing.
I'll know you are serious about supporting kids, when you move a couple of them in with you and let them play with your vinyl collection. : }Quote: terapinedI agree
I don't have kids
yet most of my property tax goes to support the education system
I am fine by that. All kids should get a free education. I'll pay for it and am paying for it
Quote: mcallister3200The great thing about America is that if you are blessed enough to be able to and want to pay for 2 1/3 other people’s healthcare who are not your dependents you are allowed to do so. Should not be forced by law to have your freedom of choice eliminated there. I mean it’s the groups that get hammered by it are already subsidizes other age groups the way private insurance works.
Build THE WALL with your own money then. And so on extrapolated to everything.
Quote: RonCRepublicans are not free of guilt for that.
Ya don't say? Thanks for pointing that out. There's a lot of "ignorant" and "uneducated fools" that think they are voting for the party of fiscal responsibility.
Republicans = Borrow & Spend
Democrats = Tax & Spend
We have the self-proclaimed "king of debt" running things right now. This one should be pretty easy to figure out, even for the ignorant and uneducated fools.
Quote: ams288One of the most reasonable things you’ve ever said.
Too bad you were being sarcastic.
Way too generous towards me. Sarcasm is meant to make light or humor at something. Nothing funny about supporting drug dealers, slackers, serial breeders and other general low lives in the name of helping a few hard working Americans who actually deserve help with their insurance needs.
Bottom line is far more Americans die weekly from self induced drug and other health issues than die from not have Health Insurance in the streets.
But keep the narrative up if you think it will change public opinion and help win elections. Never let facts get in the way of a good sob story.
40 years ago when my Dad talked about bleeding Heart Liberals I never knew how right he was. Sorry Dad, RIP
in her share of scandals throughout her career.
An affair with married San Francisco mayor,
Willie Brown; a $50,000 night on the town in
L.A. with LAPD escorts at the expense of the
city’s taxpayers.
Failures to prosecute a bank owner whose
foreclosures of thousands of California homes
was suspicious; forging documents; defending
a child molester; covering up the San Francisco
Archdiocese sex abuse scandals, telling
a joke on Ellen’s talk show wanting Trump dead.
Add to that she's hugely arrogant and full of
herself, traits that don't play well in a candidate.
Gosh I hope she wins the nomination..
Wait, that’s not what you said. Full of herself doesn’t play well.
Full of himself does though...
Quote: EvenBobLike Hillary , Kamala Harris has been involved
in her share of scandals throughout her career.
An affair with married San Francisco mayor,
Willie Brown; a $50,000 night on the town in
L.A. with LAPD escorts at the expense of the
city’s taxpayers.
Failures to prosecute a bank owner whose
foreclosures of thousands of California homes
was suspicious; forging documents; defending
a child molester; covering up the San Francisco
Archdiocese sex abuse scandals, telling
a joke on Ellen’s talk show wanting Trump dead.
Add to that she's hugely arrogant and full of
herself, traits that don't play well in a candidate.
Gosh I hope she wins the nomination..
Two full paragraphs from EB.
You sound nervous, tbh...
Quote: Boz40 years ago when my Dad talked about bleeding Heart Liberals I never knew how right he was. Sorry Dad, RIP
When my dad admitted that his boomer generation is the worst generation, I knew exactly how right he was.
Quote: SteverinosYa don't say? Thanks for pointing that out. There's a lot of "ignorant" and "uneducated fools" that think they are voting for the party of fiscal responsibility.
Republicans = Borrow & Spend
Democrats = Tax & Spend
We have the self-proclaimed "king of debt" running things right now. This one should be pretty easy to figure out, even for the ignorant and uneducated fools.
That all sounds grand, if it were true. There have been five (5) years in the last 50 without a deficit. Republican Presidents, Democrat Presidents, Republican Congresses, Democrat Congresses, Split Congresses. The people we elect from both parties are very poor at controlling spending.
I don't see the potential movement of Democratic Socialists into the government changing the situation. They don't say much about how to pay for the stuff they want to give for "free"...because they aren't really challenged on it. They may well have a candidate make it all the way to the nomination without really being seriously asked about how they will pay for it.
Quote: RonCI don't see the potential movement of Democratic Socialists into the government changing the situation. They don't say much about how to pay for the stuff they want to give for "free"...because they aren't really challenged on it. They may well have a candidate make it all the way to the nomination without really being seriously asked about how they will pay for it.
But yet when a Congresswoman proposes a top marginal tax rate of 70% for income over 10 million, we have Fox News and right wing pundits misleading their viewers and listeners into thinking she wants to tax your entire income at 70%. Makes you wonder, what are they scared of? Are they intentionally misleading their audience? Or are they ignorant? Do they understand that top marginal tax rates in our country used to be 90%? Back when America "was great"?
Why not tell the truth about it? It's obviously time to have that conversation. $1 trillion deficits are back baby!
The self-proclaimed "King of Debt" assured us of that, didn't he.
Quote: FinsRuleFull of herself doesn’t play well.
Exactly. If you love arrogant pushy
women, you're a rarity.
Quote: SteverinosWhen my dad admitted that his boomer generation is the worst generation, I knew exactly how right he was.
I’m going to assume your father isn’t a member here and while I don’t think he is a public figure, he is still open game here like President Trump.
So I’m going to say he was obviously a loser in life and was a disappointment to many. And it appears he was a bitter man for never making anything of his life and blaming others for his life decisions. Sad, but not unexpected.
No clue how you see him.
Time for another new rule?
Quote: EvenBobLike Hillary , Kamala Harris has been involved in her share of scandals throughout her career. An affair with married San Francisco mayor, Willie Brown; a $50,000 night on the town in L.A. with LAPD escorts at the expense of the city’s taxpayers.
Failures to prosecute a bank owner whose foreclosures of thousands of California homes was suspicious; forging documents; defending a child molester; covering up the San Francisco Archdiocese sex abuse scandals, telling a joke on Ellen’s talk show wanting Trump dead. Add to that she's hugely arrogant and full of herself, traits that don't play well in a candidate.
Gosh I hope she wins the nomination..
Like Trump, I have very strong opinions about Kamala Harris and these issues. But that's only because of the political party she belongs to. If this was about someone on the other side, my opinions would be the complete opposite. I think that is one thing everyone here can agree on.
