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October 8th, 2018 at 9:14:50 AM permalink
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Congratulations, Republican Party. 42 years ago this month, I registered with you. I have hung in with you during years of declining values, relevancy, greed, and corruption.

I still believe in being part of the conversation and fixing things from within, but there is no longer any shred of the party I joined there, no conversation we can have. And, once Trump is out of office, no party to sustain. Every reasonable, bipartisan, decent person has left or is leaving. Further, the party is villifying everyone still trying to inject a note of sanity or opposition to the goose-stepping mindless attacks and undermining.

So I'm gone. This morning I changed my registration to Democrat. Yuck. But there do seem to be at least a few people of reason and moderation left there. And increasingly, I agree with their stances in opposition to what the "Republicans" are doing and how they comport themselves.

Sadly, the time is coming where everyone must make a black and white choice. I think we are the closest we have been in post- Civil War history to losing it all. And 18% of this country forcing their extreme agenda on the rest of us is the powder keg. Not sure what will be the match. Maybe it's already lit.



In other news...water is wet.

Just messing with you Babs. Glad you registered with the party that you belonged with all along. Hopefully you can bring some sanity to them.
I got a plan, we take all your picks we reverse them like one of those twilight zone episodes where everything is the opposite. You say "black" we go white.
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October 8th, 2018 at 9:17:07 AM permalink
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Removed by who? The Senate? Are we going to enter a reality in which the Republicans no longer wish to control the Presidency or either of the houses?



Maybe. If he becomes toxic enough in the next year or so, if the GOP loses the House, if they barely hold the Senate, if they see the writing on the wall for 2020 and beyond, they may want to cut slingload on Trump and start to move back towards the center to save their own hides. I can totally see it happening.

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Who is sick of hearing about Biden?



That was code for "career politician."
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October 8th, 2018 at 9:19:30 AM permalink
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I think Pence is going to be the GOP nominee. I don't know how - either Trump is impeached and removed



Tiger you must not understand the mechanism of Presidential removal if you think this. Given the current Senate makeup (and there is no reason to think there will be major changes from this election) it would take a minimum of 17 Republican Senator to vote to remove him. Not going to happen...ever. In any reality.

Actually I am trying to find a bet online for this. However the only ones I can find are "Will he be in office past 2020" Which take into account stepping down after one term and death. I don't like those bets as much as removal. I would bet my house on the NO for removal.
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October 8th, 2018 at 9:20:18 AM permalink
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In other news...water is wet.

Just messing with you Babs. Glad you registered with the party that you belonged with all along. Hopefully you can bring some sanity to them.



Nuh uh. Water isnít wet, stuff that gets in water is wet.
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October 8th, 2018 at 9:23:43 AM permalink
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What a coincidence. I joined this board in 2013. The Republicans had left the track entirely in 2008, though they started the derail in 1980, when Reagan purchased GHWBs balls (an infamous reference at the time ) for his pocket. Voted John Anderson that year, who RWR defeated in the primaries. I still voted for GHWB in 1988 and Dole/Kemp in 1996, but couldn't vote for GWB in 2000 - he was just too incompetent. I voted for McCain in the primaries with an early ballot a couple days before he withdrew.

Anyway, Republicans categorically refusing to work with Obama starting Inauguration Day 2009 was the end, though I kept fighting internally alongside decent moderate AND fiscally conservative Republicans (two different subgroups), for the direction and soul of the party for over a decade.

That battle is over, and we lost. Those leaders have retired from the field, and left the party to the greedy destroyers and idiot bluenoses, not to mention the disgusting. Moderates mostly gave up in 2010, and NeverTrumper fiscal conservatives are mostly gone or going. So I'm gone.

I'm sure I'll have as tough a time with the idiot free college/free healthcare/welfare giveaway wing of the Democrats as well, and I may be forced to disenfranchise from parties alltogether. But at least the Democrats are fielding some people with personal responsibility, bipartisanship, and integrity, values I can get behind.

You actually helped, because I dislike your posts with attitudes, misinformation, and bias so much that you have come to personify everything that's wrong with my former party. You parrot and spread their every worst position possible. I leave you to it.



Good luck with the change, but I don't think you will find what you are looking for in the Democrat party. There a myriad of things that I don't like about the way Republicans have governed but I can't see anything better from the time the Democrats have held power recently. I know both parties are full of hypocrites and people who have no interest in you or me; only in staying in power. I see some good people among the Democrats just as I do among the Republicans. I also see a party swinging way left with socialist tendencies.

President Trump isn't perfect; he won because he spoke to a forgotten segment of the population and the Democrats act like they don't want to win them back because they are "deplorables" or whatever and it is easier just to call them racists and all kinds of other things. The whole "racist" thing is a red herring; there is racism out there, but the the vast majority of Americans aren't racist at all--they just want a fair shake. Lots of people also voted against Hillary even wiuth a distate for Trump--which helps the 2020 Dem nominee if it isn't her...

Anyway, good luck!
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October 8th, 2018 at 9:30:53 AM permalink
Is there any way for us to get information from the Congress about who has been paid to settle complaints and what those complaints were?

It'd be nice to not have a body that protects misdeeds from us knowing about them.
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October 8th, 2018 at 9:42:01 AM permalink
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Is there any way for us to get information from the Congress about who has been paid to settle complaints and what those complaints were?

It'd be nice to not have a body that protects misdeeds from us knowing about them.



There have been multiple FOIAs filed to get that information. So far, none have been successful. Some might still be in process. However, Congress has been very successful many times in exempting themselves from various laws about many things, especially concerning their employees and internal processes. I don't expect any of those accountings to come to light unless someone breaks an NDA or makes a significant leak.
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October 8th, 2018 at 10:01:06 AM permalink
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Tiger you must not understand the mechanism of Presidential removal if you think this.



I do understand the mechanisms.

I didn't say it was going to happen, or that it even remotely has a chance of happening.

You're missing the big picture of what I'm trying to say - Trump won't be the GOP nominee for 2020.
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October 8th, 2018 at 10:01:29 AM permalink
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Bad idea

I really would not want to have a need of a passport just to visit Disney World



There's open travel between the countries. Also, Disney World sucks.
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October 8th, 2018 at 10:03:40 AM permalink
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Also, Disney World sucks.



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