2020 Election
Quote: rxwineBECAUSE that's what an innocent person would demand to clear their name. A full and complete investigation is the solution. WHY wasn't he for it if he was so ruined?
Next time a cop asks to search your car, are you going to say "go ahead!"? What's the big deal, you're innocent right?
Quote: beachbumbabs
So I'm gone. This morning I changed my registration to Democrat. Yuck. But there do seem to be at least a few people of reason and moderation left there. And increasingly, I agree with their stances in opposition to what the "Republicans" are doing and how they comport themselves.
Quote: RSNext time a cop asks to search your car, are you going to say "go ahead!"? What's the big deal, you're innocent right?
Know your rights. Be lawyered up if necessary. Document, BUT I stand with the same answer. Everyone should want a full and fair investigation UNLESS you have something to hide.
For the Democrats, I don't know. Probably somebody that's old and everybody is sick of hearing about. Maybe Biden or one of the Dem women that's in the news a lot. It won't be Hillary. She's poison and she's smart enough to know it. I don't think Sanders is going to take a stab at it again, either. He seems to do more good on the sidelines.
Quote: beachbumbabs
So I'm gone. This morning I changed my registration to Democrat.
If you're interested, you should check your state laws to see if you have to register as one or the other.
In Oklahoma, you don't have to register as either Dem or Repub, but if you don't pick they automatically label you as an Independent. That still lets you vote in Democratic primaries, though.
Quote: beachbumbabs
So I'm gone. This morning I changed my registration to Democrat. Yuck. But there do seem to be at least a few people of reason and moderation left there. And increasingly, I agree with their stances in opposition to what the "Republicans" are doing and how they comport themselves.
Sadly, the time is coming where everyone must make a black and white choice. I think we are the closest we have been in post- Civil War history to losing it all.
Don't give up, Babs!
There are more Independents than ever, according to Gallup polling, as reasonable human beings are growing increasingly disenfranchised with the ideological extremists of both parties.
Your hatred of extremism makes you stronger, BeachBumBabs, it gives you focus. Join us on the Libertarian side of the force, BeachBumBabs.
Libertarians are generally extremely Liberal in their social positions, but that also includes a staunch defense of Freedom of Speech and a VERY broad definition for same. We're kind of split on abortion, though, but that's just mainly a question (for each person) of when we think that human rights start. Libertarians also tend to be overwhelmingly Economically Conservative, by the numbers, if that's what you're into.
Anyway, we're a great place for people who find themselves without a solid political home as we're so nuanced we don't even agree with ourselves all the time! We disagree with ourselves in a civil way, though. Both sides think we're nuts, so we must be doing something right. We also have cookies.
Black and White
I honestly wouldn't be opposed to splitting into two different countries. Let's just say pretend the South won as long as they promise not to have slavery. The Conservatives can have it. We have to have unrestricted air travel and visitation rights throughout both (all) countries and that's it. No passports required, either. Open trade, no tariffs. Different currencies, probably, but no exchange fees. We'll have to redraw some state lines and some people will get screwed by already owning property in the, "Wrong," country, but it seems pretty doable other than that.
Other than that, the Conservatives get everything South of the Mason-Dixon, with exception to Miami and South Texas. They get all the West except for California, Washington, Oregon and Las Vegas...which is incorporated as part of California as well as the wee little bit South of Las Vegas. Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland can vote on where they want to go. Michigan can also vote because, even though it would be geographically idiosyncratic, neither country really wants it...but somebody has to get stuck with Michigan. The losing country also has to take Toledo, Ohio.
EDIT: I guess Colorado should vote on where it would like to go, as well.
Quote: RSNext time a cop asks to search your car, are you going to say "go ahead!"? What's the big deal, you're innocent right?
Um...I mean, yes, if he asks. I've been pulled over and they've asked to search on one occasion, I don't hold because I don't smoke, so why would I say no? Out of principle? No thanks. I figure if I am polite and say yes, everything will be fine. If I say no, they'll get a warrant, plant evidence and off to jail I go.
Quote: TigerWuI think Pence is going to be the GOP nominee. I don't know how - either Trump is impeached and removed, his multiple scandals weigh him down too much, he just decides to not run, or he drops dead of a heart attack - but I think it's going to be Pence.
Removed by who? The Senate? Are we going to enter a reality in which the Republicans no longer wish to control the Presidency or either of the houses? The thing that you have to understand is that Trump has a base that absolutely loves him. It'd be political suicide to remove him from office. It would take Republican votes to do.
Some 35-40% of this country's citizens LOVE Trump. The sooner the Democrats are able to accept that and the fact that he won; (because the Constitution and Electoral College both suck) the sooner the Democrats can come up with a coalition and plan of action that actually pretends to make sense.
Quote:For the Democrats, I don't know. Probably somebody that's old and everybody is sick of hearing about. Maybe Biden or one of the Dem women that's in the news a lot. It won't be Hillary. She's poison and she's smart enough to know it. I don't think Sanders is going to take a stab at it again, either. He seems to do more good on the sidelines.
Who is sick of hearing about Biden? I'm not saying you're wrong, but my understanding is that almost everyone on the left loves Biden. I've certainly seen not much negative about him coming from the left.
Quote:If you're interested, you should check your state laws to see if you have to register as one or the other.
In Oklahoma, you don't have to register as either Dem or Repub, but if you don't pick they automatically label you as an Independent. That still lets you vote in Democratic primaries, though.
GREAT ADVICE!!!
In Ohio, you don't register as anything. However, if you vote in the primaries, then whatever ticket you pick is what you are registered as at least until the following primary. Technically, I'm a Republican. I saw no reason to vote in the Democratic Primary and there was also some lower office in which I wanted to vote in the primary, County Level, but could only do so on a Republican ticket.
Quote: Mission146Don't give up, Babs!
There are more Independents than ever, according to Gallup polling, as reasonable human beings are growing increasingly disenfranchised with the ideological extremists of both parties.
Your hatred of extremism makes you stronger, BeachBumBabs, it gives you focus. Join us on the Libertarian side of the force, BeachBumBabs.
Libertarians are generally extremely Liberal in their social positions, but that also includes a staunch defense of Freedom of Speech and a VERY broad definition for same. We're kind of split on abortion, though, but that's just mainly a question (for each person) of when we think that human rights start. Libertarians also tend to be overwhelmingly Economically Conservative, by the numbers, if that's what you're into.
Anyway, we're a great place for people who find themselves without a solid political home as we're so nuanced we don't even agree with ourselves all the time! We disagree with ourselves in a civil way, though. Both sides think we're nuts, so we must be doing something right. We also have cookies.
Black and White
I honestly wouldn't be opposed to splitting into two different countries. Let's just say pretend the South won as long as they promise not to have slavery. The Conservatives can have it. We have to have unrestricted air travel and visitation rights throughout both (all) countries and that's it. No passports required, either. Open trade, no tariffs. Different currencies, probably, but no exchange fees. We'll have to redraw some state lines and some people will get screwed by already owning property in the, "Wrong," country, but it seems pretty doable other than that.
Other than that, the Conservatives get everything South of the Mason-Dixon, with exception to Miami and South Texas. They get all the West except for California, Washington, Oregon and Las Vegas...which is incorporated as part of California as well as the wee little bit South of Las Vegas. Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland can vote on where they want to go. Michigan can also vote because, even though it would be geographically idiosyncratic, neither country really wants it...but somebody has to get stuck with Michigan. The losing country also has to take Toledo, Ohio.
EDIT: I guess Colorado should vote on where it would like to go, as well.
Bad idea
I really would not want to have a need of a passport just to visit Disney World
Quote: beachbumbabsCongratulations, Republican Party. 42 years ago this month, I registered with you. I have hung in with you during years of declining values, relevancy, greed, and corruption.
I still believe in being part of the conversation and fixing things from within, but there is no longer any shred of the party I joined there, no conversation we can have. And, once Trump is out of office, no party to sustain. Every reasonable, bipartisan, decent person has left or is leaving. Further, the party is villifying everyone still trying to inject a note of sanity or opposition to the goose-stepping mindless attacks and undermining.
So I'm gone. This morning I changed my registration to Democrat. Yuck. But there do seem to be at least a few people of reason and moderation left there. And increasingly, I agree with their stances in opposition to what the "Republicans" are doing and how they comport themselves.
Sadly, the time is coming where everyone must make a black and white choice. I think we are the closest we have been in post- Civil War history to losing it all. And 18% of this country forcing their extreme agenda on the rest of us is the powder keg. Not sure what will be the match. Maybe it's already lit.
I welcome you with open arms
Quote: AZDuffmanWell, you have not supported one thing the GOP stands for on this board that I have ever seen. You seem to hate Reagan. You seem to hate anyone popular with the party. You have supported everything the Democrat side says or does. You have attacked everything the GOP has done. Even with the GOP shift left over the last 20 years. You complain about "attacks" yet joined the party of trying to destroy Kavanaugh and making any kind of lowbrow attack on any conservative acceptable.
See you at the polls!
What a coincidence. I joined this board in 2013. The Republicans had left the track entirely in 2008, though they started the derail in 1980, when Reagan purchased GHWBs balls (an infamous reference at the time ) for his pocket. Voted John Anderson that year, who RWR defeated in the primaries. I still voted for GHWB in 1988 and Dole/Kemp in 1996, but couldn't vote for GWB in 2000 - he was just too incompetent. I voted for McCain in the primaries with an early ballot a couple days before he withdrew.
Anyway, Republicans categorically refusing to work with Obama starting Inauguration Day 2009 was the end, though I kept fighting internally alongside decent moderate AND fiscally conservative Republicans (two different subgroups), for the direction and soul of the party for over a decade.
That battle is over, and we lost. Those leaders have retired from the field, and left the party to the greedy destroyers and idiot bluenoses, not to mention the disgusting. Moderates mostly gave up in 2010, and NeverTrumper fiscal conservatives are mostly gone or going. So I'm gone.
I'm sure I'll have as tough a time with the idiot free college/free healthcare/welfare giveaway wing of the Democrats as well, and I may be forced to disenfranchise from parties alltogether. But at least the Democrats are fielding some people with personal responsibility, bipartisanship, and integrity, values I can get behind.
You actually helped, because I dislike your posts with attitudes, misinformation, and bias so much that you have come to personify everything that's wrong with my former party. You parrot and spread their every worst position possible. I leave you to it.
