2020 Election
Quote: FinsRuleThe drinks in Vegas are free.
That is the illusion presented by the Adult Disney World known as Las Vegas...but it is a fantasy just like those created at Disney!
Quote: RonCThat is the illusion presented by the Adult Disney World known as Las Vegas...but it is a fantasy just like those created at Disney!
Stop trying to force reality on us!
Quote: WizardQuote: WatchMeWin
Sad reasoning skills.
Oh really? Please elaborate, as I think he is right.
Good luck with that request. WmW seems to be hit and run in all respects. Craps, sports, insults...
Quote: Mission146Babs,
First Quoted Paragraph: We Libertarians do that personal responsibility, bipartisanship and integrity stuff. Well, integrity only if you choose to have it. Absent committing crimes, having integrity is really more of a personal choice thing. By the way, some 80% of Libertarians are totally against my views on healthcare and State College/University. I promise.
Second Quoted Paragraph: Come join us! Exactly what you said is why I will NOT be associated with Democrats or the word, "Liberal," anymore. Don't spend too much time associating with the Far Left. Some of them are truly disgusting and we would live in a society that is just as de facto personally restrictive as the Evangelical Christians would like to see happen as a matter of law. You seem politically active. We really need your help. Most Floridians are already cuckoo clocks, so Libertarianism has a pretty good chance there, I think.
Thanks for the invite. Chances are I'm more Libertarian than anything else - you and I compared detailed notes on this a couple months ago.
But if you have a group of people who are fiercely independent minded and anti-authoritarian how are you supposed to coalesce behind a leader? Seems oxymoronic.
Herding cats trapped on linoleum with no litter box would be easier.
SeaWorld had the best local offer this year. 2 park annual pass for $149, which included parking (Disney $20/day extra) good from July to next NYE, no blackout dates. Disney offers something similar but it's about 600/yr with parking.
I need new friends locally. And my ex-husband hated all of them on principle, so we only went a couple of times when the kids visited and we're young. Most others are too old mentally to be open to enjoying what they offer.
Quote: beachbumbabsThanks for the invite. Chances are I'm more Libertarian than anything else - you and I compared detailed notes on this a couple months ago.
But if you have a group of people who are fiercely independent minded and anti-authoritarian how are you supposed to coalesce behind a leader? Seems oxymoronic.
Herding cats trapped on linoleum with no litter box would be easier.
We were able to grab the Johnson in 2016, I'm sure we'll find a way to coalesce around someone else. I'm hoping for Bill Weld, he's pretty similar to Johnson and was the Libertarian candidate for Vice-President in 2016.
I wouldn't say Libertarians are anti-authoritarian. Libertarians recognize the need for police forces to the extent that people often need protection from others wanting to violate their rights, and further, we also appreciate the need of a military for DEFENSE.
Ringing the bell at the local tavern frequently is a tactic that has been proven to work. Depends on if you are going for quality or quantity.Quote: beachbumbabs....I need new friends locally.
Trying to acquire friends old school takes a lifetime, and you only get a handful. ; }
A 5-day ticket is $395 but for only $50 more you could get a 10-day ticket. Of course then you have the extra hotel costs, unless you live in the area, in which case you probably have an annual pass already.
If you're going with a group of people, one person can get an annual pass even if you're going to be there once, and there's a break even point where you start saving money by using the benefits associated with the annual pass.
There's all kinds of tips and tricks to save a ton of money in Disney World. You just have to know how to work the system.
Quote: TigerWuDisney World ticket costs drops dramatically the more days you go.
That fact may have us adding a day to our upcoming trip. It will only cost less than $50 to add a day to both tickets. We already used our Military Salute five day tickets over the Marathon Weekend in January. My wife skipped one day that trip, so I had to get a 5 day and she a 4 this time.
Quote: beachbumbabsBut if you have a group of people who are fiercely independent minded and anti-authoritarian how are you supposed to coalesce behind a leader? Seems oxymoronic.
Barb, if you're shopping around for a new political philosophy, I would look no further than the Netherlands. There the government stays out of your business in terms of victim-less crimes like marijuana and prostitution. Maybe everybody is jumping on the marijuana legalization bandwagon now, but the Netherlands was among the first. If not the first. However, they also offer their citizens generous health and education benefits as well as a comfortable safety net. The whole country is also bicycle heaven. I'd happily pay more in taxes to have what the Dutch have.
Quote: WizardCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I view the only importance to party membership is a say in that party's primaries.
Pretty much correct in an official sense. I have heard from some people, almost always in some sort of public sector work, who have stated that their promotion in career could be stopped by having the "wrong" registration. Might be a few places where you need the right registration to get a traffic ticket fixed or stuff like that.
Quote: Mission146We were able to grab the Johnson in 2016
You might want to keep that to yourself. TMI😃
Quote: RonCThat is the illusion presented by the Adult Disney World known as Las Vegas...but it is a fantasy just like those created at Disney!Quote: FinsRuleThe drinks in Vegas are free.
The cost is included in the price of the House Advantage. Play games with a negative house edge, and the cost of the drinks is negative
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There were quite a candidates I liked that ran in 2016 -- actually most of them except for Trump and Hillary. Most all of them are now blocked by the incumbent, and Bernie is too old (along with Biden). Of all the national level politicians, I really like Doug Jones. His opponent was a child molester and he had enough decency to stay out of that mess and campaign on the issues. His biggest drawback is that he's funny looking. The mayor of LA, Garcetti, seems like the best parts of both Obama and Romney -- and I would love for Trump to lose to a Mexican. A California Democrat who has spent his time in office cutting the city budget.
The most perfect presidential candidate would be Oscar, but he looks like he might not even be alive in 2020. There's always Sandoval in 2024. By that time I might be able to forgive him for his billion dollar tax increase he dumped on us.
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As always, the most important issue is how can I make money betting on it?
That means, if I travel to Vegas, the drinks are free.
You would be "paying" for your drinks alright
Quote: darkozSince the purpose of free drinks is to make the gambler "looser" and stupider with his decision making wouldnt that be included in the HA in a negative direction
You would be "paying" for your drinks alright
The casinos have no qualms about over-serving people and allowing over-served people to play. It helps them separate players from their money.
Quote: RonCThe casinos have no qualms about over-serving people and allowing over-served people to play. It helps them separate players from their money.
We are in total agreement
So when people get free drinks they come at the cost of making stupid gambling decisions due to inebriation
That was my point
Quote: Mission146Don't give up, Babs!
They get all the West except for California, Washington, Oregon and Las Vegas...which is incorporated as part of California as well as the wee little bit South of Las Vegas.
What the hell is wrong with you. Do not incorporate us into California. I refuse to pay state taxes.
Quote: TomG
There's always Sandoval in 2024. By that time I might be able to forgive him for his billion dollar tax increase he dumped on us.
I would not be shocked to see Sandoval. He is good looking and Hispanic which is enough to get elected.
Quote: rxwineKnow your rights. Be lawyered up if necessary. Document, BUT I stand with the same answer. Everyone should want a full and fair investigation UNLESS you have something to hide.
So in other words, yes, you would let them search your car?
Quote: Mission146Um...I mean, yes, if he asks. I've been pulled over and they've asked to search on one occasion, I don't hold because I don't smoke, so why would I say no? Out of principle? No thanks. I figure if I am polite and say yes, everything will be fine. If I say no, they'll get a warrant, plant evidence and off to jail I go.
I'm not sure if I'm shocked with these answers.....but now that I think of it, it makes total sense.
Quote: DRichWhat the hell is wrong with you. Do not incorporate us into California. I refuse to pay state taxes.
We need to find a way to unbridge California from the rest of the US, so they can live by themselves with their asinine policies
Quote: DRichWhat the hell is wrong with you. Do not incorporate us into California. I refuse to pay state taxes.
Okay, LV will be its own state along with everything in Nevada south of LV.
Quote: djatcWe need to find a way to unbridge California from the rest of the US, so they can live by themselves with their asinine policies
I know more than a few Californians who would be perfectly okay with that.
Or maybe sends a message about the posts you don’t thank. I’m not sure.
Quote: RSSo in other words, yes, you would let them search your car?
No. Since i'm talking about a fair and full investigation, and you're talking about 1 unknown police officer with no oversight doing a street search, it's not actually comparable.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-native-american/index.html
She's obviously gonna run in 2020 and wants to nip this nonsense in the bud. Of course, verifiable facts will never change the mind of Donald and his mindless followers, but it's a good start.
Quote: ams288Elizabeth Warren is out today really fighting back against the racist "Pocahontas" smear Donald always uses against her.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-native-american/index.html
She's obviously gonna run in 2020 and wants to nip this nonsense in the bud. Of course, verifiable facts will never change the mind of Donald and his mindless followers, but it's a good start.
I honestly didn't follow this story that much, but didn't she claim to be Native American in college? If she did, that is a bit of BS considering what I just read of the recent article about her test.
"If her great-great-great-grandmother was Native American, that puts her at 1/32nd American Indian. But the report includes the possibility that she’s just 1/512th Native American if the ancestor is 10 generations back."
I am sure if we look a vast majority of us can claim that we are 1/512 of damn near anything.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkI honestly didn't follow this story that much, but didn't she claim to be Native American in college? If she did, that is a bit of BS considering what I just read of the recent article about her test.
"If her great-great-great-grandmother was Native American, that puts her at 1/32nd American Indian. But the report includes the possibility that she’s just 1/512th Native American if the ancestor is 10 generations back."
I am sure if we look a vast majority of us can claim that we are 1/512 of damn near anything.
I think Im 1/640 billionth Ameoba/Protozoa
Quote: ams288Elizabeth Warren is out today really fighting back against the racist "Pocahontas" smear Donald always uses against her.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-native-american/index.html
She's obviously gonna run in 2020 and wants to nip this nonsense in the bud. Of course, verifiable facts will never change the mind of Donald and his mindless followers, but it's a good start.
She has the starts of organizations in every state that matters at this point and has given money to candidates in most or all of those states. There is no doubt that she is setting up for a run.
"Bustamante replies: "The facts suggest that you absolutely have Native American ancestry in your pedigree."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/sen-elizabeth-warrens-dna-analysis-points-to-a-native-american-heritage.html
I guess I thought that DNA tests like this were more certain than they are for determining the ancestry of an individual. "The facts suggest" is not exactly the same as "the fact is"...
I don't care. I guess it is enough proof Trump should pay the million dollars to charity and move on. Of course, who knows what he or others will do with the information. The name calling doesn't help; beat your opponents on your record and their record. Whoops...we all know that won't happen either way!
Quote: VCUSkyhawkI am sure if we look a vast majority of us can claim that we are 1/512 of damn near anything.
Yeah, but it is SUPER common in Oklahoma (where Warren is from) to officially claim such tiny fractions of Native American ancestry.
Quote: RonCI guess it is enough proof Trump should pay the million dollars to charity and move on. Of course, who knows what he or others will do with the information.
Just this morning Donald claimed he never offered a million dollars to charity (that's a lie - it's on tape).
That's a like a gift to Warren - until he pays it she can just keep replaying the footage of the offer and ask why he hasn't lived up to his word.
Quote: RonCI don't care. I guess it is enough proof Trump should pay the million dollars to charity and move on. Of course, who knows what he or others will do with the information. The name calling doesn't help; beat your opponents on your record and their record. Whoops...we all know that won't happen either way!
Trump needs his own nickname since he likes dishing it out. I'd say 'the Fake Billionaire' would really annoy him. Guy is not about to dig into financial records to prove anything,
Quote: mcallister3200She is probably more Native American than the Foxwoods “Pequot tribe,” but hell Donald probably is as much or moreso too.
It would be hilarious if DNA showed Donald was part Mexican. And it was his great grandfather Mexican who came over here illegally
Quote: ams288Just this morning Donald claimed he never offered a million dollars to charity (that's a lie - it's on tape).
That's a like a gift to Warren - until he pays it she can just keep replaying the footage of the offer and ask why he hasn't lived up to his word.
You are right about him being wrong and that he did say it. I am not sure how much of a gift it is until she is actually running against him...there will be a lot of people for her to beat before that, though she is probably at the top of the list of favorites right now. It will be interesting to see the beatings they give to each other on the way to an eventual nominee...
Quote: rxwineTrump needs his own nickname since he likes dishing it out. I'd say 'the Fake Billionaire' would really annoy him. Guy is not about to dig into financial records to prove anything,
Need something shorter...and catchier...
"Who cares? I didn't say that. Nope, you better read it again." -- Also Trump
Quote: RonCNeed something shorter...and catchier...
Crotch-grabber?
The Con
Orange Fur
Mr. Pants on fire
I like this one. Mr. PEEBODY
Quote: darkozCrotch-grabber?
The Con
Orange Fur
Mr. Pants on fire
I like this one. Mr. PEEBODY
Once you hit the right nickname, you will know it...
Quote: rxwineCan we add bet welcher to his list of negatives?
I guess he is pre-banned from here!
Quote: RonCI guess he is pre-banned from here!
I can almost guarantee if Trump had been a regular guy he would be a roulette system seller here on WOV
Quote: TigerWuYeah, but it is SUPER common in Oklahoma (where Warren is from) to officially claim such tiny fractions of Native American ancestry.
Perhaps, but I think it lacks tact. It just doesn't seem right. I am not talking about just generally saying "Yeah, I have native American roots". Hell, I say that myself. Word is that we have Cherokee on both sides of the family. The difference is, I would never apply to a college and claim I am native American. It is almost as bad as that Rachael whatshername situation where she was pretending to be black.
All of that said, in reference to the Donald's challenge to her and his claim that he never said that, I have to ask....is anybody surprised? This is what the man does. I shake my head on a daily basis at his lies and antics.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkPerhaps, but I think it lacks tact. It just doesn't seem right. I am not talking about just generally saying "Yeah, I have native American roots". Hell, I say that myself. Word is that we have Cherokee on both sides of the family. The difference is, I would never apply to a college and claim I am native American. It is almost as bad as that Rachael whatshername situation where she was pretending to be black.
Maybe nobody should be asking these questions
I am bi-racial
1/2 of me says I am part of the majority
1/2 of me says I am part of a minority
Quote: VCUSkyhawkPerhaps, but I think it lacks tact. It just doesn't seem right. I am not talking about just generally saying "Yeah, I have native American roots". Hell, I say that myself. Word is that we have Cherokee on both sides of the family. The difference is, I would never apply to a college and claim I am native American. It is almost as bad as that Rachael whatshername situation where she was pretending to be black.
It's almost a cultural thing here in Oklahoma. I was born and raised in the South/East Coast, and if you looked white, you said you were white, period. But I've lived in Oklahoma long enough to know that even the most blue eyed blond haired person can and usually will claim American Indian ancestry, no matter how small, if they can somehow prove it, and nobody really bats an eye or questions it. Even the tiniest fraction is enough to get benefits in some cases, depending on the tribe.
Quote:All of that said, in reference to the Donald's challenge to her and his claim that he never said that, I have to ask....is anybody surprised?
Nope. His actions are not surprising, it's the fact that his supporters don't care is what's troubling. He lies about the stupidest, most mundane, easily provable facts, for literally no reason whatsoever, and with no perceivable gain, and they trust him with running a country? I can't figure it out....
Quote: terapinedMaybe nobody should be asking these questions
I am bi-racial
1/2 of me says I am part of the majority
1/2 of me says I am part of a minority
100% agree. Colleges should NOT ask about ethnicity on applications.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkPerhaps, but I think it lacks tact. It just doesn't seem right. I am not talking about just generally saying "Yeah, I have native American roots". Hell, I say that myself. Word is that we have Cherokee on both sides of the family. The difference is, I would never apply to a college and claim I am native American. It is almost as bad as that Rachael whatshername situation where she was pretending to be black.
All of that said, in reference to the Donald's challenge to her and his claim that he never said that, I have to ask....is anybody surprised? This is what the man does. I shake my head on a daily basis at his lies and antics.
Yet you continue to defend him.
Any evidence Warren ever applied to a college as a Native American?.
It's public record that after listing her ethnicity as white while applying for her job as a professor, she changed it after she was already on the job. She stated that her grandmother told her she had Indian in her blood. Turns out she does.
She probably misrepresented what her grandmother actully told her. "I had a little Indian in me."Quote: billryanYet you continue to defend him.
Any evidence Warren ever applied to a college as a Native American?.
It's public record that after listing her ethnicity as white while applying for her job as a professor, she changed it after she was already on the job. She stated that her grandmother told her she had Indian in her blood. Turns out she does.
Sounds like she has way less Indian in her than she was touting. Trump probably has more Indian in him than she does.
Quote: billryanYet you continue to defend him.
Any evidence Warren ever applied to a college as a Native American?.
It's public record that after listing her ethnicity as white while applying for her job as a professor, she changed it after she was already on the job. She stated that her grandmother told her she had Indian in her blood. Turns out she does.
Billy, please find ONE example of where I defend Donald Trump. I have consistently said that although I tend to vote Republican I do not like Trump, did not vote for him, and do not approve of his antics. This is the second time you have falsely accused me of something and I dont very much appreciate it.
I already said that I didnt follow that news story closely, I was repeating what I heard. If she didnt, then she didnt.
Seriously, who the f*ck pissed in your Cheerios? It certainly wasn't me. How about you back off my ass.