2020 Election
Quote: AZDuffmanWere you forced to buy one that did not at all relate to any course you are taking? No, I am not kidding. Why are the same colleges today not making "The Art of the Deal" required reading?
I do not have a criminal candidate. The issue is the investigation is based on "Liberals hate him so he has to have done something wrong." Previous admin wiretapped him for no reason. Fake dossier taken as reason to investigate. We are losing our country here.
As to "head exploding" that is the lefties here over Trump just sharing the same oxygen as they do. How many Trump-hate threads are there here? How many posts? Heck, we need to have "Trump-free threads" because your side cannot get over it.
MAGA!
And AZduffmans head just exploded, lol.
It made a sound. Sounded like MAGA
Quote: darkozAnd AZduffmans head just exploded, lol.
It made a sound. Sounded like MAGA
Its cult of personality. If Obama was giving billions away to struggling businesses, AZ would be screaming socialism and I would be screaming it also. But of course AZ is fine with socialism as long as its Trump that is giving away billions of tax payer dollars to failing businesses.
Quote: terapinedIts cult of personality. If Obama was giving billions away to struggling businesses, AZ would be screaming socialism and I would be screaming it also. But of course AZ is fine with socialism as long as its Trump that is giving away billions of tax payer dollars to failing businesses.
I think cult of personality is what convinced more sensible people who were not racist to overlook what trump was and represented.
Those people have seen what trump is and he is pretty much left with just his racist base
He wont win 2020 with 38% of the country
Quote: AZDuffmanI do not get why people are so concerned "how Trump made his money." He is known to be in real estate, along with other projects. Yet the same people do not care how Obama, Bernie, Hillary, and others made their millions when they were just in politics. "Public Service" which is for some unknown reason supposed to be a noble thing. How did they get millions of dollars in net worth?
If something should be investigated, that is a far better start.
I'm fine with all presidents under the same requirement. Why are you complaining when that's what I said?
Quote: rxwineI'm fine with all presidents under the same requirement. Why are you complaining when that's what I said?
Don't see where I complained. I am asking why so many people care how a private citizen made his money. Asking why the same people do not ask why "public servants" are making themselves millionaires in congress,
Quote: Gabes22Can't it be reasonable to suggest that an insistence on high level political candidates releasing a document as private as their federal tax return might dissuade many qualified people from considering the job? Personally, I do not care about which party you are from or vote for, but clamoring for a man, and I do not care that he is the President to release his tax returns seems to be a gross violation of the man's privacy.
If you're really afraid of having your life laid bare, and being accused not only things you did but things you didn't do, you don't have what it takes to be President even before you run. Because that's going to happen. If we're losing the best candidates because of public exposure, we are already doing that, because in case no one notices they dig through your trash, not only today, but all the way back to your birth.
Second, if you want to do things in your financial life which people would find troubling, don't run for office.. There's plenty of careers where you can avoid it.
And like I said, if you believe in what you do, you should be able convince other people that was the best way to run your life. No one requires perfection, but they require convincing that you made choices for good reasons.
Quote: darkozNorth korea has jusy announced this morning talks with the US are over and they are resuming nuclear options and research
They got what they wanted. A high profile meeting with the President raising the stature of Kim
As a bonus, weak Trump gave Kim a pass on Warmbier, disgusting and getting nothing in return
I view Trump giving the pass as a traitorous action. You side against an American family and with a dictator. WTF
Quote: Gabes22Personally, I do not care about which party you are from or vote for, but clamoring for a man, and I do not care that he is the President to release his tax returns seems to be a gross violation of the man's privacy.
Not when he holds the power to make decisions about MY tax returns.
It would be like you hiring somebody to paint your house, you ask for pictures of previous jobs, and they refuse to disclose any of it. The presidential campaign is a job interview. Part of the job is making decisions about tax policy. I believe disclosing how that person has previously handled their own taxes is part of the interview process.
Republicans have believed this as well, up until Donald Trump. They seemed to have abandoned a lot of values they historically championed to support a "criminal".
Quote: terapinedIts cult of personality. If Obama was giving billions away to struggling businesses, AZ would be screaming socialism and I would be screaming it also. But of course AZ is fine with socialism as long as its Trump that is giving away billions of tax payer dollars to failing businesses.
They already did. It was called Solyndra. 500 million if I recall?
Quote: darkozTrump is known to have had several bankruptcies. That is a fact, AZ. You arent going to deny several bankruptcies trump has gone thru?
Trump is known to have been refused by all the banks for loans due TO THAT HISTORY of bankruptcy. That is a fact.
False darkoz.
Several of his businesses have filed bankruptcy. Separate legal entities from Trump himself and only a fraction of his net worth.
He has never filed personal bankruptcy. Too much MSNBC for you?
Quote: wellwellwellFalse darkoz.
Several of his businesses have filed bankruptcy. Separate legal entities from Trump himself and only a fraction of his net worth.
He has never filed personal bankruptcy. Too much MSNBC for you?
True wellwellwell.
Where in my post did I say he had personal bankruptcies? You added that.
You agree with my statement. He has had multiple bankruptcies. They were for businesses he was running.
As a result of those defaults he could not get banks to give him money for other projects
Except the one bank that is known for money laundering
Watching too much Foxnews?
So no I don't agree with your statement that "he has had multiple bankruptcies." "He" would mean Trump personally.
And i can never get enough Fox News.
Quote: wellwellwellYou said Trump has had several bankruptcies which insinuates personal bankruptcies......not his separately held legal entities/businesses.
So no I don't agree with your statement that "he has had multiple bankruptcies." "He" would mean Trump personally.
lol
Its a vegas forum, not a court of law. Darkoz made a correct statement.
Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?
“You’ve taken business bankruptcies six times.”
–Hillary Clinton
“On occasion – four times – we used certain laws that are there.”
–Donald Trump
THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.
Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.
Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.
PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.
Why the discrepancy? Perhaps this will give us an idea: Trump told Washington Post reporters that he counted the first three bankruptcies as just one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/?utm_term=.0de0bd764d94
Quote: terapinedlol
Its a vegas forum, not a court of law. Darkoz made a correct statement.
Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?
“You’ve taken business bankruptcies six times.”
–Hillary Clinton
“On occasion – four times – we used certain laws that are there.”
–Donald Trump
THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.
Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.
Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.
PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.
Why the discrepancy? Perhaps this will give us an idea: Trump told Washington Post reporters that he counted the first three bankruptcies as just one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/?utm_term=.0de0bd764d94
This article states it correctly....."Trump's companies".
Not "Trump" as darkoz originally posted.
Quote: wellwellwell
And i can never get enough Fox News.
That pretty much explains everything
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
One of the members here loves to say that Trump cares about the working man more than any other president in his lifetime.
What a f**king joke.
Quote: wellwellwellThis article states it correctly....."Trump's companies".
Not "Trump" as darkoz originally posted.
But the name of the article
"Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?"
Then claim his bankrupt companies have nothing to do with him.
Quote: darkozIts ridiculous to claim trump is such a successful businessman
Then claim his bankrupt companies have nothing to do with him.
Trump declared bankruptcy
Too funny Wellwellwell has a problem with this statement.
Its all over the internet
What's Wellwellwell gonna do?
Demand all gazillion internet site include "Businesses" in the statement or he will hold his breath
Quote: terapinedBut the name of the article
"Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?"
Prob written by a fake news journalist that wanted to disparage Trump or more likely doesn't know the difference.
Even Killary got it correct.....business bankruptcy.
Quote: darkozIts ridiculous to claim trump is such a successful businessman
Then claim his bankrupt companies have nothing to do with him.
Trump admitted he used the bankruptcy laws for his companies. These laws are used every day by businesses.
Quote: terapinedTrump declared bankruptcy
Too funny Wellwellwell has a problem with this statement.
Its all over the internet
What's Wellwellwell gonna do?
Demand all gazillion internet site include "Businesses" in the statement or he will hold his breath
No, but I can point out misleading statements made here.
Unfortunately, I don't have time to point out all the other gazillions made here by the lefties.
Quote: wellwellwellNo, but I can point out misleading statements made here.
Unfortunately, I don't have time to point out all the other gazillions made here by the lefties.
lol
This statement really gets under your skin, Trump declared bankruptcy.
Love it
Going to go and clean up Breibart
some headlines
Jindal: Trump's Bankruptcies Give Him 'Unique Platform' As 'Leading …
WH Spox Rips Trump: He Has 'Declared Bankruptcy Like Four Times'
Quote: wellwellwellTrump admitted he used the bankruptcy laws for his companies. These laws are used every day by businesses.
And so we have the real situation
Righties who are proud of bankruptcy as long as its "used" with well intentions to stiff creditors.
Just another aspect of a well run business
Quote: darkozAnd so we have the real situation
Righties who are proud of bankruptcy as long as its "used" with well intentions to stiff creditors.
Just another aspect of a well run business
Bankruptcies happen in business. I am more proud of a businessman than someone who hides in government or academia.
Lefties have yet to say why bankruptcy is so bad.
Quote: AZDuffmanI am more proud of a businessman than someone who hides in government or academia.
Are you proud of a businessman that stiffs his contractors and puts "the working man" out of business?
I've posted that USA Today link probably a dozen times on this board in the middle of active convos and NOT ONE Trump supporter has contested its findings or defended Trump's actions. NOT a single time. Not once. They've ignore it, acting like it never happened.
Speaks volumes.
Quote: SteverinosQuote: AZDuffmanI am more proud of a businessman than someone who hides in government or academia.
Are you proud of a businessman that stiffs his contractors and puts "the working man" out of business?
I've posted that USA Today link probably a dozen times on this board in the middle of active convos and NOT ONE Trump supporter has contested its findings or defended Trump's actions. NOT a single time. Not once. They've ignore it, acting like it never happened.
Speaks volumes.
Lots of large companies have payment issues. Often it is because work was substandard or the billing was not done correctly. I remember once spending all day chasing payment from Coke and Pepsico, all because their accounting department did not get the bill in the proper format.
These things happen in the business world. Ask people who have been out there and had to collect from a large account.
I will still take the businessman who was out in the real world vs. the person who hid from the real world.
Quote: BozTry eating infrastructure for dinner.
LOVE IT!
Quote: AZDuffmanBankruptcies happen in business. I am more proud of a businessman than someone who hides in government or academia.
Lefties have yet to say why bankruptcy is so bad.
Its getting to the point where you dont even have to argue.
Trump supporters just make themselves look bad. Why argue the point?
Bankruptcies MAGA!
Quote: SteverinosNot when he holds the power to make decisions about MY tax returns.
It would be like you hiring somebody to paint your house, you ask for pictures of previous jobs, and they refuse to disclose any of it. The presidential campaign is a job interview. Part of the job is making decisions about tax policy. I believe disclosing how that person has previously handled their own taxes is part of the interview process.
Republicans have believed this as well, up until Donald Trump. They seemed to have abandoned a lot of values they historically championed to support a "criminal".
Ummmmmm....... He CLEARLY did not release his tax returns before the 2016 election. He CLEARLY won the election by a large number of electoral votes. The American people in the 34 or so states that he won DID NOT CARE that he did not release his tax returns. So those people OBVIOUSLY did not consider it an important part of the interview process. (Or they just hated the other candidate enough to ignore it....)
Quote: SOOPOO(Or they just hated the other candidate enough to ignore it....)
Bingo.
Could've skipped everything else.
But you're right, some people don't care and it's of course only my opinion. I just happen to find it odd to hire somebody to make decisions about your taxes when that person is OBVIOUSLY hiding something in theirs. I also take it as a personal insult when he stands up on the presidential debate stage where he bragged about his c**k to tell me I'm a dumbass because I pay taxes and he doesn't.
But then again, insulting a POW who while he was getting tortured you were enjoying your fifth deferment is also insulting. But let me be clear, THAT'S ONLY MY OPINION.
Quote: Steverinos
But you're right, some people don't care and it's of course only my opinion. I just happen to find it odd to hire somebody to make decisions about your taxes when that person is OBVIOUSLY hiding something in theirs. I also take it as a personal insult when he stands up on the presidential debate stage where he bragged about his c**k to tell me I'm a dumbass because I pay taxes and he doesn't.
What on earth would or could he be hiding? And why do you care?
Quote: darkozIts getting to the point where you dont even have to argue.
Trump supporters just make themselves look bad. Why argue the point?
Bankruptcies MAGA!
Are you saying a bankruptcy disqualifies a person from being a good POTUS? If so, why?
You are aware that after the Taj Mahal almost half of the casinos in AC went bankrupt? Are you aware that the parent of Trump Airlines went completely out of business as well?
Why is this such a big deal to you?
Quote: AZDuffmanAnd why do you care?
I have two kids who will someday also have kids. The decisions we make now will affect generations to come. Tax policy is an area that can have a huge impact on my children and grandchildren.
It can't be anymore simpler than this. I want to hire somebody who IS NOT AFRAID TO RELEASE THEIR TAXES.
Quote: SteverinosI have two kids who will someday also have kids. The decisions we make now will affect generations to come. Tax policy is an area that can have a huge impact on my children and grandchildren.
It can't be anymore simpler than this. I want to hire somebody who IS NOT AFRAID TO RELEASE THEIR TAXES.
But what does releasing their taxes have to do with making tax policy? I cannot see a connection.
Shouldn't you be happy we have a businessman who understands the effect of taxes on private business vs some lifetime pol who does not?
Here are some facts:
(1) the only President before Nixon to release their tax returns was F.D.R.
(2) with the exception of Obama and FDR, none of the past presidents released their tax returns for years prior to when they were in office.
(3) H.W. Bush (3 returns), Reagan (6 returns), Carter (3 returns) and Nixon (4 returns) did not release returns for every year in office.
Now what is being demanded/subpoenaed by the dems of President Trump?
(1) the dems are asking for President Trump’s tax returns for the years 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 (4 years of which are before he was president).
(2) in addition to President Trumps personal tax returns for the period 2013-2018, the dems are demanding the tax returns for the following entities: (1) The Donald J Trump Revocable Trust, (2) DJT Holdings LLC, (3) DJT Holdings Managing Member LLC, (4) DTTM Operations LLC, (5) DTTM Operations Managing Member Corp, (6) LFB Acquisition Member Corp, (7) ) LFB Acquisition LLC and (7) Lamington Farm Club, LLC, d/b/a Trump National Golf Club – Bedminster
Not only are the dems requesting the returns but also a ridiculous amount of supplemental documentation/information.
Quote: SOOPOOUmmmmmm....... He CLEARLY did not release his tax returns before the 2016 election.
He repeatedly promised to release them once “the audit” was finished.
Quote: ams288He repeatedly promised to release them once “the audit” was finished.
Trump said he's the most transparent President in history. Now, if that's the case, this should be easy. Trump supporters, what would the most transparent president in history do?
Winning
MAGA!!!
Quote: SteverinosI want to hire somebody who IS NOT AFRAID TO RELEASE THEIR TAXES.
Where did Trump say he was
afraid to release them. It's not
the law, I wouldn't release
mine either. Other Presidents
released cherry picked years
and kept the rest private.
Dems act like they released ALL
previous years.
Quote: FleaswatterU.S. Supreme Court blocks redrawing of Ohio, Michigan electoral maps
Winning
MAGA!!!
Celebrating gerrymandering? Weird...but okay.
So? Do you know if the audit has been finished? Do you have any idea how long audits can take?Quote: ams288He repeatedly promised to release them once “the audit” was finished.
Quote: SteverinosQuote: FleaswatterU.S. Supreme Court blocks redrawing of Ohio, Michigan electoral maps
Winning
MAGA!!!
Celebrating gerrymandering? Weird...but okay.
Today is an all time low.
Bankruptcies, tax evasion (because Trump is smart) and gerrymandering all celebrated by the usual suspects
Quote: FleaswatterU.S. Supreme Court blocks redrawing of Ohio, Michigan electoral maps
Winning
MAGA!!!
1) the cases were not decided simply put on hold until 2 othed cases are decided this june.
2) this june is when any gerrymandering decision can be celebrated or vilified
3) [the kicker] of the 2 decisions put on hold one was a decision against Republican gerrymandering AND the other was against Democratic gerrymandering (which makes me wonder if flea even read the article)
So at best I would call that a wash not a victory
Personally I am against gerrymandering by either party.
Quote: SanchoPanzaSo? Do you know if the audit has been finished? Do you have any idea how long audits can take?
Donald has never shown evidence that they were ever under audit to begin with.
Quote: darkozQuote: SteverinosQuote: FleaswatterU.S. Supreme Court blocks redrawing of Ohio, Michigan electoral maps
Winning
MAGA!!!
Celebrating gerrymandering? Weird...but okay.
Today is an all time low.
Bankruptcies, tax evasion (because Trump is smart) and gerrymandering all celebrated by the usual suspects
Celebrating like its New Years Eve.
Because all the Trump haters on here still can’t come up with any reason why they dislike him.
And if he loses next year, the smart ones will find ways to benefit from all the handouts and loopholes the lib elected opens up.
Winners win, regardless of the circumstances.
Quote: BozQuote: darkozQuote: SteverinosQuote: FleaswatterU.S. Supreme Court blocks redrawing of Ohio, Michigan electoral maps
Winning
MAGA!!!
Celebrating gerrymandering? Weird...but okay.
Today is an all time low.
Bankruptcies, tax evasion (because Trump is smart) and gerrymandering all celebrated by the usual suspects
Celebrating like its New Years Eve.
Because all the Trump haters on here still can’t come up with any reason why they dislike him.
And if he loses next year, the smart ones will find ways to benefit from all the handouts and loopholes the lib elected opens up.
Winners win, regardless of the circumstances.
Trump haters have plenty of reasons to hate trump.
Its the Trump lovers who cant come up with any reason to dislike him.
If Trump shot one of his supporters relatives on 5th Avenue they would just say:
A) thats what successful businessmen do. They have people shot. Whats wrong with that?
B) Trump fired a gun. The gun didnt touch my relative. It was the bullet. I dont see the connection
Quote: BozBecause all the Trump haters on here still can’t come up with any reason why they dislike him.
Socialism
Giving soy bean farmers billions. Giving, not loaning. Billions
Gee, wonder what I will eat if soy bean farmers go out of business
Why not grow something we eat.
