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May 23rd, 2019 at 11:06:08 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why do people here say I dreamed up
Avenatti for president?



No one here said he wasn’t flirting with running for President.

You went further and said he’d be the Dem NOMINEE, which we all knew was crazy talk.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 11:21:41 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Congratulations for your hard work. Seems like common sense but our country is full of people unwilling to do what it takes.

Love our farmers. Try eating infrastructure for dinner.



Hypo much? Unusual for you.

Trump started the trade war that is causing the problem. Trump can stop it.

Instead, he's pushing harder on more tariffs, and appropriating money he doesn't have in a flat giveaway to farmers.

Doubt it will buy back their votes. Farmers are, by profession and temperament, self-sustaining and in it for the long haul. Trump is neither.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 11:23:52 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

No one here said he wasn’t flirting with running for President.

You went further and said he’d be the Dem NOMINEE, which we all knew was crazy talk.




Nobody took Avenatti for President seriously except EB
Wasn't EB gushing over Kid Rock running for something
Amazing how gullible some people are
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May 23rd, 2019 at 11:31:51 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Hypo much? Unusual for you.

Trump started the trade war that is causing the problem. Trump can stop it.

Instead, he's pushing harder on more tariffs, and appropriating money he doesn't have in a flat giveaway to farmers.

Doubt it will buy back their votes. Farmers are, by profession and temperament, self-sustaining and in it for the long haul. Trump is neither.



No.

China started this trade war 25 years ago with their currency manipulation and slave wage labor. Trump just finally said "ENOUGH" and started to fight back.

The same people who have for years complained about WMT buying all their cheap products from China now want cheap goods from China.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 11:40:41 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Hypo much? Unusual for you.

Trump started the trade war that is causing the problem. Trump can stop it.

Instead, he's pushing harder on more tariffs, and appropriating money he doesn't have in a flat giveaway to farmers.

Doubt it will buy back their votes. Farmers are, by profession and temperament, self-sustaining and in it for the long haul. Trump is neither.



So you are okay with (1) the massive trade deficit with China, (2) China's unfair trade practices, (3) China's theft if intellectual property, (4) China's forced technology transfers from American companies etc, etc etc??

Are you also okay with NAFTA?

The previous administration's trade policies have devastated US manufacturing and caused the loss of millions of jobs. Are you okay with this?

We finally have a President who is doing something about these problems.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 11:43:27 AM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter


We finally have a President who is doing something about these problems.


Yup
Trump is going socialist giving failing businesses billions
Trump trying to make socialism great. Putin should be pleased
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May 23rd, 2019 at 11:59:31 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

No one here said he wasn’t flirting with running for President.

You went further and said he’d be the Dem NOMINEE, which we all knew was crazy talk.




I thought Hillary was going to be the Democratic nominee?
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:01:38 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I thought Hillary was going to be the Democratic nominee?



“Wait until June.”
Evenbob, and rush Limbaugh.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:06:47 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I thought Hillary was going to be the Democratic nominee?



He's said they're both going to be the nominee at different times.

Which is why I don't think he actually believes half the stuff he says on here.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:31:27 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Personal responsibility is the big part of it. But when the policies out of the WH affect in a positive or negative way it should be noted. I've met people running a sound business that just boomed right after the election.


You're crediting "policies" for a business that boomed "right after the election" when literally not one single policy had yet come out of the new administration. You proved my point, which is that personal responsibility USED to be the hallmark for conservatism. Not anymore.

Now it's about blind loyalty to a man.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:33:40 PM permalink
I said this long ago before there was even mention of him running for president. Recently there has been some talk but nothing concrete... However, if this man decides to run.... Howard Schultz! He will have the best chance running as neither a dem or rep. Very difficult to to without the support of either party. The American public is too smart and too tired of lifetime politicians. We need strong, sensible, savvy, accomplished, intelligent, polished businessman to run this country. Im actually sick and tired of both parties. It is becoming a disgrace.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:47:01 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

You're crediting "policies" for a business that boomed "right after the election" when literally not one single policy had yet come out of the new administration. You proved my point, which is that personal responsibility USED to be the hallmark for conservatism. Not anymore.

Now it's about blind loyalty to a man.



You still do not get it. Why do you think things boomed, literally in many cases, the day after the election? It is because people knew Trump policies would be better for the economy and Hilllary's would kill it. We are talking about a woman who openly wanted to run the coal mining business out of business.

Your personal responsibility comes into play by being prepared for it. By being trained for your job vs. waiting for minimum wage to be increased for example. You can cite me as a perfect example. I am well trained in mortgage and title work. But if Hillary had a plan to eliminate fracking I can have all the personal responsibility in the world, it will not help.

After your party and Obama you should not talk about "blind loyalty." We love Trump because he cares more about working folks like us since at least Reagan, maybe more than Reagan.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:47:45 PM permalink
Quote: ams288



You went further and said he’d be the Dem NOMINEE,



He's handsome, personable, and as
crooked as it gets. Like all the top
people in the Obama regime. He
would have made a great nominee.

Saw a repub Senator last night
say he's seen some of what's
coming soon, and so have top
Dems. That's why Shumer and
Pelosi are going batshit crazy
to get something, anything,
on Trump before it hits the fan
and all hell breaks out. Corruption
right into the Obama Oval Office.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:50:04 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

“Wait until June.”
Evenbob, and rush Limbaugh.



It's coming, she's waiting for all
the good stuff coming on the
corruption under Obama. Then
she'll say she has no choice.
She still hates Obama's guts for
stealing it from her in 08.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:54:38 PM permalink
Trump promised "Instruct the Treasury Secretary to label China a currency manipulator."
He didn't do it.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 1:13:06 PM permalink
Trump's tariff policies with China haven't worked yet. We may have had an advantage but I'm sure many people have tried strategies against a powerful opponent, and you can certainly get into such a pissing match, that by the time you win, you're only slightly less damaged than the one you defeated.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 1:20:05 PM permalink
Trump's giant ego also seems like the type, that he'll eventually be saying behind the scenes, we've already thrown all this money into this, we have to go for it. Probably how he ends up bankrupted bigtime. My guess, he's a good money after bad type trying the claw back his losses.

Just guessing.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 1:21:25 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

You still do not get it. Why do you think things boomed, literally in many cases, the day after the election? It is because people knew Trump policies would be better for the economy and Hilllary's would kill it. We are talking about a woman who openly wanted to run the coal mining business out of business.

Your personal responsibility comes into play by being prepared for it. By being trained for your job vs. waiting for minimum wage to be increased for example. You can cite me as a perfect example. I am well trained in mortgage and title work. But if Hillary had a plan to eliminate fracking I can have all the personal responsibility in the world, it will not help.

After your party and Obama you should not talk about "blind loyalty." We love Trump because he cares more about working folks like us since at least Reagan, maybe more than Reagan.


She did not want to run coal mining out of business. She told the truth about coal, something that Trump is unable and unwilling to do.



She wanted to invest in coal miners, to re-train them into renewable sector jobs. But you know how elections are won? By taking a 2 minute long answer and snipping one comment out of context and replaying the ad over and over and over again.

And oh I get it, you're claiming a booming economy when literally every measurement of the economy is directly inline with what we experienced for roughly the last 2-3 years of the Obama administration.

What was annual GDP for 2017? 2018? One of the biggest talking points I heard from conservatives is that "Obama never had annual GDP above 3%". I have a question for you. Has Trump had an annual GDP over 3%? Rhetorical of course, because Trump's best annual matches Obama's. Again, directly inline with numbers we saw in the previous administration. Trump deserves credit where it's due. But that credit only extends to "not f**king it up", in my opinion. Change my mind. Show me where his numbers are so astronomically higher than Obama's that we can't come to any other conclusion than "Oh my god, Trump and the republicans are economic geniuses!"

lmfao....If Trump cared more about working folks "like you" than inherited wealth people like him he would've passed a tax cut bill where 81% of the benefits went to working folks who earn labor wages instead of people that make money on paper. You've been had. The "manly" thing to do would be to admit it.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 1:22:22 PM permalink
Well, what he usually does is either back down from a conflict, or get nothing from a negotiation, and then declare victory.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 1:50:29 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Your personal responsibility comes into play by being prepared for it. By being trained for your job vs. waiting for minimum wage to be increased for example. You can cite me as a perfect example. I am well trained in mortgage and title work. But if Hillary had a plan to eliminate fracking I can have all the personal responsibility in the world, it will not help.


Personal responsibility in this case would be to diversify your skill set so that you can market yourself when market conditions change.

You aren't as conservative as you thought.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 2:36:41 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

She did not want to run coal mining out of business. She told the truth about coal, something that Trump is unable and unwilling to do.

She wanted to invest in coal miners, to re-train them into renewable sector jobs. But you know how elections are won? By taking a 2 minute long answer and snipping one comment out of context and replaying the ad over and over and over again.



The truth being that she and Obama wanted to run coal out of business. The truth is the "renewable sector" cannot yet stand on its own, meanwhile the USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal, with several hundred years supply.

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And oh I get it, you're claiming a booming economy when literally every measurement of the economy is directly inline with what we experienced for roughly the last 2-3 years of the Obama administration.

What was annual GDP for 2017? 2018? One of the biggest talking points I heard from conservatives is that "Obama never had annual GDP above 3%". I have a question for you. Has Trump had an annual GDP over 3%? Rhetorical of course, because Trump's best annual matches Obama's. Again, directly inline with numbers we saw in the previous administration. Trump deserves credit where it's due. But that credit only extends to "not f**king it up", in my opinion. Change my mind. Show me where his numbers are so astronomically higher than Obama's that we can't come to any other conclusion than "Oh my god, Trump and the republicans are economic geniuses!"



GDP growth in 2015 was 1.5%, awful. 2017 it was 2.3%, a 50% improvement.

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lmfao....If Trump cared more about working folks "like you" than inherited wealth people like him he would've passed a tax cut bill where 81% of the benefits went to working folks who earn labor wages instead of people that make money on paper. You've been had. The "manly" thing to do would be to admit it.



His tax cut saved me thousands. It saved most people thousands. Only ones it did not save as much were places like CA that were not paying their fair share in the first place. Trump negotiated a new and better NAFTA, helping keep jobs in the USA. He is trying to do the same with China. He has had to fight the Democrats every step of the way to stem illegal immigration. He cares about people like me, Democrats care more about illegal aliens.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 2:38:10 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

Personal responsibility in this case would be to diversify your skill set so that you can market yourself when market conditions change.

You aren't as conservative as you thought.



Not sure what the last part means. You really need to go back and re-read so you better understand the point I am making.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 2:51:41 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

The truth being that she and Obama wanted to run coal out of business. The truth is the "renewable sector" cannot yet stand on its own, meanwhile the USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal, with several hundred years supply.



GDP growth in 2015 was 1.5%, awful. 2017 it was 2.3%, a 50% improvement.



His tax cut saved me thousands. It saved most people thousands. Only ones it did not save as much were places like CA that were not paying their fair share in the first place. Trump negotiated a new and better NAFTA, helping keep jobs in the USA. He is trying to do the same with China. He has had to fight the Democrats every step of the way to stem illegal immigration. He cares about people like me, Democrats care more about illegal aliens.



How did you save thousands with his tax cuts? I call bullshit.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 2:54:12 PM permalink
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How did you save thousands with his tax cuts? I call bullshit.



Because the standard deduction went way up and my house is too small and too paid off to make it worth to itemize.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 3:11:27 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Not sure what the last part means.


It means that you were prepared to blame Hillary (somebody else) for YOUR problem of not being diverse enough in your skill set. That's not taking personal responsibility. That's shifting the blame to somebody else for YOUR lack of preparation.

Meaning, you aren't as conservative as you thought.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 3:11:54 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

The truth being that she and Obama wanted to run coal out of business. The truth is the "renewable sector" cannot yet stand on its own, meanwhile the USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal, with several hundred years supply.



GDP growth in 2015 was 1.5%, awful. 2017 it was 2.3%, a 50% improvement.



His tax cut saved me thousands. It saved most people thousands. Only ones it did not save as much were places like CA that were not paying their fair share in the first place. Trump negotiated a new and better NAFTA, helping keep jobs in the USA. He is trying to do the same with China. He has had to fight the Democrats every step of the way to stem illegal immigration. He cares about people like me, Democrats care more about illegal aliens.



Since you're claiming to be telling "truths", ....

His tax cut might have saved you thousands. It didn't approach saving "most" people thousands. Last figures I saw was 17% of taxpayers, mostly the top earners, "saved' taxes, those just below the top got hit the hardest, and the bottom 75% either lost or got pocket change.

California is a donor state. Facts matter. Stop lying about it with your perverse reasoning for rationale.

USMCA has not been enacted - it's flawed and stuck in implementation process. So whatever is "keeping jobs" in America (and all I'm seeing is good jobs going away), it ain't "the new NAFTA".

More lies about the Democrats being in his way on illegal immigration. Democrats (and Republicans) supported and implemented deportation long before Trump. What he HAS led in, is flouting human rights and immigration law in delays, refusals, and treatment of southern border immigrants, both legal and illegal, while ducking enforcement of the largest segment of perpetrators, visa overstays.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 3:16:46 PM permalink
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Because the standard deduction went way up and my house is too small and too paid off to make it worth to itemize.



Again, how did that save you thousands?
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May 23rd, 2019 at 3:35:45 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Since you're claiming to be telling "truths", ....

His tax cut might have saved you thousands. It didn't approach saving "most" people thousands. Last figures I saw was 17% of taxpayers, mostly the top earners, "saved' taxes, those just below the top got hit the hardest, and the bottom 75% either lost or got pocket change.



Since the bottom 40% pay nothing they have no cut to get. High local tax states did not save much, but this is the same population that said "they didn't need a tax cut" under Bush, so they get what they asked for in a way.

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California is a donor state. Facts matter. Stop lying about it with your perverse reasoning for rationale.



CA has not been paying their fair share. I did not lie. I used actual numbers to show my position, the only one here to do so. If you want to challenge the numbers, feel free. The fact that they are a "donor" does not matter. As you seem upset that the "top earners" got a bigger cut then why are you upset a top-earner state is now paying what they should?

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USMCA has not been enacted - it's flawed and stuck in implementation process. So whatever is "keeping jobs" in America (and all I'm seeing is good jobs going away), it ain't "the new NAFTA".



Yes, still in the first stages. If the Democrats cared as much about the working man and woman in America as they do about their failed Russia investigation USMCA would be further along.

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More lies about the Democrats being in his way on illegal immigration. Democrats (and Republicans) supported and implemented deportation long before Trump. What he HAS led in, is flouting human rights and immigration law in delays, refusals, and treatment of southern border immigrants, both legal and illegal, while ducking enforcement of the largest segment of perpetrators, visa overstays.



So you are saying the Democrats did not block the wall? Did not limit holding space for captured illegals? Do not support things like drivers licenses, welfare, and free college for illegals? Do not support sanctuary cities and states? That is what you are saying?

As to overstays, I would be happy for better enforcement there. But, see, Democrats via sanctuary policies prohibit even asking people about their status.

Democrats have done all they can to help illegal aliens, you want to deny it feel free. Some of us know better.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 3:36:43 PM permalink
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Again, how did that save you thousands?



Re-read the answer. I am not here to teach a course on tax prep. Ask your accountant if you do not understand standard vs. itemized deductions.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 5:21:20 PM permalink
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Since the bottom 40% pay nothing they have no cut to get. High local tax states did not save much, but this is the same population that said "they didn't need a tax cut" under Bush, so they get what they asked for in a way.



CA has not been paying their fair share. I did not lie. I used actual numbers to show my position, the only one here to do so. If you want to challenge the numbers, feel free. The fact that they are a "donor" does not matter. As you seem upset that the "top earners" got a bigger cut then why are you upset a top-earner state is now paying what they should?



Yes, still in the first stages. If the Democrats cared as much about the working man and woman in America as they do about their failed Russia investigation USMCA would be further along.



So you are saying the Democrats did not block the wall? Did not limit holding space for captured illegals? Do not support things like drivers licenses, welfare, and free college for illegals? Do not support sanctuary cities and states? That is what you are saying?

As to overstays, I would be happy for better enforcement there. But, see, Democrats via sanctuary policies prohibit even asking people about their status.

Democrats have done all they can to help illegal aliens, you want to deny it feel free. Some of us know better.



I support all those things.

Whats the problem?

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May 24th, 2019 at 12:18:47 AM permalink
The best legacy of Trump may be leaving is if court cases support opening of more politician's financial records. Or even if it's just Presidents.

If a person can convince people that whatever way they made money, that they still deserve a public office I'm fine with it. If you can't convince the voting public of that, you don't deserve the office. But when we don't know... that's a problem.

And no one forced anyone to run for office. If they don't like it, don't run. Fine with me. I've have yet to see no one show up for these public offices. At least all the major ones.
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May 24th, 2019 at 2:21:35 AM permalink
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The best legacy of Trump may be leaving is if court cases support opening of more politician's financial records. Or even if it's just Presidents.

If a person can convince people that whatever way they made money, that they still deserve a public office I'm fine with it. If you can't convince the voting public of that, you don't deserve the office. But when we don't know... that's a problem.

And no one forced anyone to run for office. If they don't like it, don't run. Fine with me. I've have yet to see no one show up for these public offices. At least all the major ones.



I do not get why people are so concerned "how Trump made his money." He is known to be in real estate, along with other projects. Yet the same people do not care how Obama, Bernie, Hillary, and others made their millions when they were just in politics. "Public Service" which is for some unknown reason supposed to be a noble thing. How did they get millions of dollars in net worth?

If something should be investigated, that is a far better start.
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May 24th, 2019 at 4:26:37 AM permalink
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I do not get why people are so concerned "how Trump made his money." He is known to be in real estate, along with other projects. Yet the same people do not care how Obama, Bernie, Hillary, and others made their millions when they were just in politics. "Public Service" which is for some unknown reason supposed to be a noble thing. How did they get millions of dollars in net worth?

If something should be investigated, that is a far better start.



Trump is known to have had several bankruptcies. That is a fact, AZ. You arent going to deny several bankruptcies trump has gone thru?

Trump is known to have been refused by all the banks for loans due TO THAT HISTORY of bankruptcy. That is a fact.

Trump has only done business with one bank the last decade or so - Deutche Bank. The only bank willing to do business with him. Thats a fact.

Deutsche Bank has a history of money laundering including a number of international fines numbering in the millions. Thats a fact.

This does NOT mean Trump is getting bis money tbru money laundering but when several businesses keep failing and you only do business with known criminal banks... only a fool or a blind Republican supporter would not be interested in closer scrutiny
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May 24th, 2019 at 4:59:32 AM permalink
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Trump is known to have had several bankruptcies. That is a fact, AZ. You arent going to deny several bankruptcies trump has gone thru?



So what? Lincoln had bankruptcy in his history, as have several POTUS. Not a big deal/

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Trump is known to have been refused by all the banks for loans due TO THAT HISTORY of bankruptcy. That is a fact.



So what? That is how the banks underwrite.

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Trump has only done business with one bank the last decade or so - Deutche Bank. The only bank willing to do business with him. Thats a fact.

Deutsche Bank has a history of money laundering including a number of international fines numbering in the millions. Thats a fact.

This does NOT mean Trump is getting bis money tbru money laundering but when several businesses keep failing and you only do business with known criminal banks... only a fool or a blind Republican supporter would not be interested in closer scrutiny



No reason to care. Just liberal reaching. Have you ever received training in money laundering detection?

If we investigated every politician who has received a loan from a bank that has gotten "fines' or had some other kind of problem then we would have to investigate almost everybody. Banking is highly regulated and has been for decades. A big bank will eventually get tripped up here or there.

Really, I want to know how Bernie, Hillary, Obama, and others have become worth tens of millions when never having a job that paid more than $400,000, and less for the ones who have not been POTUS. Do you get curious about that?
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May 24th, 2019 at 5:11:27 AM permalink
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So what? Lincoln had bankruptcy in his history, as have several POTUS. Not a big deal/



So what? That is how the banks underwrite.



No reason to care. Just liberal reaching. Have you ever received training in money laundering detection?

If we investigated every politician who has received a loan from a bank that has gotten "fines' or had some other kind of problem then we would have to investigate almost everybody. Banking is highly regulated and has been for decades. A big bank will eventually get tripped up here or there.

Really, I want to know how Bernie, Hillary, Obama, and others have become worth tens of millions when never having a job that paid more than $400,000, and less for the ones who have not been POTUS. Do you get curious about that?



No. Just conservative reaching.

There are plenty of people who have turned $400,000 into millions thru shrewd investments. If we investigate all successful people we would have to investigate everybody.

Im concerned about con men like trump doing business with known money launderers.
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May 24th, 2019 at 5:14:28 AM permalink
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No. Just conservative reaching.



Really? You are not more concerned about a Hillary Clinton giving a high-dollar paid speech to Goldman-Sachs then running for office?

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Im concerned about con men doing business with known money launderers.



What does either have to do with Trump? Or are you talking about Bernie?
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May 24th, 2019 at 5:31:20 AM permalink
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Really? You are not more concerned about a Hillary Clinton giving a high-dollar paid speech to Goldman-Sachs then running for office?



What does either have to do with Trump? Or are you talking about Bernie?



No if Hillary commands high prices for speaking engagements why is that any concern.

Trump is a known con artist.

You know that too. Thats why you deflect so much.

More importantly thats why you are so scared of him being investigated.

So much for the party of law and order. Just a bunch of criminals and criminal supporters in the Republican party these days
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May 24th, 2019 at 5:40:03 AM permalink
Can't it be reasonable to suggest that an insistence on high level political candidates releasing a document as private as their federal tax return might dissuade many qualified people from considering the job? Personally, I do not care about which party you are from or vote for, but clamoring for a man, and I do not care that he is the President to release his tax returns seems to be a gross violation of the man's privacy.
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May 24th, 2019 at 5:44:24 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

So what? Lincoln had bankruptcy in his history, as have several POTUS. Not a big deal/



So what? That is how the banks underwrite.



No reason to care. Just liberal reaching. Have you ever received training in money laundering detection?

If we investigated every politician who has received a loan from a bank that has gotten "fines' or had some other kind of problem then we would have to investigate almost everybody. Banking is highly regulated and has been for decades. A big bank will eventually get tripped up here or there.

Really, I want to know how Bernie, Hillary, Obama, and others have become worth tens of millions when never having a job that paid more than $400,000, and less for the ones who have not been POTUS. Do you get curious about that?



Hard to believe you can just blithely blow off Trump's obvious catastrophic business practices and deceptions while questioning others who have been transparent about their finances and earnings...

But, humoring your false equivalency for a couple minutes...those you named, Bernie, Hillary, Obama (both), have one thing in common. They all had bestselling books (in Barack Obama's case, 3 of them, Hillary wrote 4, Bill Clinton 2.5 of his own) and those contracts were for 6 and 7 figure initial payments with royalties to follow.

Nothing underhanded about any of them earning money this way.
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May 24th, 2019 at 5:56:47 AM permalink
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Can't it be reasonable to suggest that an insistence on high level political candidates releasing a document as private as their federal tax return might dissuade many qualified people from considering the job? Personally, I do not care about which party you are from or vote for, but clamoring for a man, and I do not care that he is the President to release his tax returns seems to be a gross violation of the man's privacy.



The reasoning sprouted from a period when no one disclosed their tax returns running for president and it was discovered later they had committed tax crimes (vice president Spiro Agnew)

It is not a law! Nor requirement.

Actually the next election after the tax issues came out with Agnew candidates wanted to SHOW the American people they had nothing to hide when it came to their taxes.

And every candidate since has said nope nothing to hide with my taxes ever since.

Until now. Gee wonder why?
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May 24th, 2019 at 6:25:08 AM permalink
Do you think 'most transparent president in history' is acknowledging that everyone can see right through him?
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May 24th, 2019 at 6:30:00 AM permalink
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Can't it be reasonable to suggest that an insistence on high level political candidates releasing a document as private as their federal tax return might dissuade many qualified people from considering the job? Personally, I do not care about which party you are from or vote for, but clamoring for a man, and I do not care that he is the President to release his tax returns seems to be a gross violation of the man's privacy.



I don't agree
I am totally honest when I do my taxes
If somebody wants to see my tax return, I'm ok with it because I am honest
When I vote for somebody, I want to make sure the person that will be working for me and wield power, is as honest about their taxes as I am. What's to hide? If you are honest, I cant see how a tax return can be an embarrassment.
I get asked about my income all the time, Go for a loan, they ask about income. I see income questions on surveys all the time
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May 24th, 2019 at 7:07:47 AM permalink
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I don't agree
I am totally honest when I do my taxes
If somebody wants to see my tax return, I'm ok with it because I am honest
When I vote for somebody, I want to make sure the person that will be working for me and wield power, is as honest about their taxes as I am. What's to hide? If you are honest, I cant see how a tax return can be an embarrassment.
I get asked about my income all the time, Go for a loan, they ask about income. I see income questions on surveys all the time



So you have no trouble posting your tax returns here for everyone to see. I am honest when I do mine as well, but I dont want them to be public record either
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May 24th, 2019 at 7:32:52 AM permalink
But you aren't running to be leader of the free world. There has been sworn testimony ,before Congress, that trump engaged in violations of the banking laws by falsely swearing that his net worth was much higher than it was. That is bank fraud, if true. I'm not sure how Congress is supposed to sit back and not look into it.
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May 24th, 2019 at 7:36:19 AM permalink
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No if Hillary commands high prices for speaking engagements why is that any concern.



Why is it a concern that a person accepts millions for a few hours work from a firm that they will be regulating if they win office? A

Trump is a known con artist.

You know that too. Thats why you deflect so much.

More importantly thats why you are so scared of him being investigated.

So much for the party of law and order. Just a bunch of criminals and criminal supporters in the Republican party these days

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May 24th, 2019 at 7:36:21 AM permalink
duplicate management please delete.
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May 24th, 2019 at 7:38:51 AM permalink
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So you have no trouble posting your tax returns here for everyone to see. I am honest when I do mine as well, but I dont want them to be public record either


If this were a democracy and I was running for senior admin and wanted votes, yup
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May 24th, 2019 at 7:42:19 AM permalink
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Hard to believe you can just blithely blow off Trump's obvious catastrophic business practices and deceptions while questioning others who have been transparent about their finances and earnings...



His business results are in the open. And he was not in office when he did them. OTOH, Hillary was, Bernie was, and Obama was. As to "transparency," Hillary and the Clinton Foundation are as transparent as an asphalt road.

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But, humoring your false equivalency for a couple minutes...those you named, Bernie, Hillary, Obama (both), have one thing in common. They all had bestselling books (in Barack Obama's case, 3 of them, Hillary wrote 4, Bill Clinton 2.5 of his own) and those contracts were for 6 and 7 figure initial payments with royalties to follow.

Nothing underhanded about any of them earning money this way.



Nothing underhanded about colleges requiring students to buy Obama's books as required reading?

You really have no problem with these folks signing their huge book deals yet you do with Trump's above-board real estate deals? Do you think that payoffs are only done by meetings in a garage with a bag full of money?

Or is it just that some animals are more equal than others?
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May 24th, 2019 at 7:47:06 AM permalink
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His business results are in the open. And he was not in office when he did them. OTOH, Hillary was, Bernie was, and Obama was. As to "transparency," Hillary and the Clinton Foundation are as transparent as an asphalt road.



Nothing underhanded about colleges requiring students to buy Obama's books as required reading?

You really have no problem with these folks signing their huge book deals yet you do with Trump's above-board real estate deals? Do you think that payoffs are only done by meetings in a garage with a bag full of money?

Or is it just that some animals are more equal than others?



I was forced to buy college books 30 years ago. Are you kidding?

At any rate you are fighting a losing battle.

TRUMP is being investigated

Not Hillary not bernie not obama

You sound like you are exploding heads over this. Better get used to it.

Must suck to have your own criminal candidate being investigated and there is nothing you can do about it except moan on public forums
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May 24th, 2019 at 8:01:13 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I was forced to buy college books 30 years ago. Are you kidding?



Were you forced to buy one that did not at all relate to any course you are taking? No, I am not kidding. Why are the same colleges today not making "The Art of the Deal" required reading?

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At any rate you are fighting a losing battle.

TRUMP is being investigated

Not Hillary not bernie not obama

You sound like you are exploding heads over this. Better get used to it.

Must suck to have your own criminal candidate being investigated and there is nothing you can do about it except moan on public forums



I do not have a criminal candidate. The issue is the investigation is based on "Liberals hate him so he has to have done something wrong." Previous admin wiretapped him for no reason. Fake dossier taken as reason to investigate. We are losing our country here.

As to "head exploding" that is the lefties here over Trump just sharing the same oxygen as they do. How many Trump-hate threads are there here? How many posts? Heck, we need to have "Trump-free threads" because your side cannot get over it.

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