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May 8th, 2019 at 1:09:19 PM permalink
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They also reported he lost 50% more money in 1 year than the next closest person in the entire US.

So what. That's like faulting Edison for failing over 3000 times till he finally found a light bulb filament that worked. Edison had 10 times more failed inventions than successful ones. Yet not a single person considers Edison anything but a huge genius.



The difference is that Edison was willing to share all his results -- successes and failures -- with the world. Trump is doing everything he possibly can to hide everything about his results from the voters. A lot of voters think the Edison formula is wrong and instead support the politician who keeps the country completely in the dark about these matters.
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May 8th, 2019 at 1:48:11 PM permalink
Trump could cure cancer and the people bashing him would continue. Bottom line, he is more successful than anyone on this forum.
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May 8th, 2019 at 1:53:26 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

The difference is that Edison was willing to share all his results -- successes and failures -- with the world. Trump is doing everything he possibly can to hide everything about his results from the voters. A lot of voters think the Edison formula is wrong and instead support the politician who keeps the country completely in the dark about these matters.



What on earth is he "hiding?" His developments are open to all who wish to pay. Mar-A-Largo was about the first in the area to open itself to Blacks and Jews, which did not make Trump popular in the area.

As to "results," the Trump organization is a private company, meaning the financial results are none of your flipping business.
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May 8th, 2019 at 1:57:23 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So what. That's like faulting Edison
for failing over 3000 times till he
finally found a light bulb filament
that worked. Edison had 10 times
more failed inventions than successful
ones. Yet not a single person considers
Edison anything but a huge genius.



Business is like that. On "Shark Tank," Mark Cuban says only about half of the made deals survive due diligence. Of the rest, many fail and most of the rest are just marginal. Just a few make real money. Real businessmen know this. The ones that say "he went bankrupt on this or that" have little clue about how business works.
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:01:09 PM permalink
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Trump could cure cancer and the people bashing him would continue.



Donald is not smart enough to cure cancer.

The closest he will ever come is raw dogging a porn star who’s zodiac sign is Cancer and paying for her STD treatments after she catches syphilis from him.
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:03:22 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

What on earth is he "hiding?"



His tax returns. The context was comparing Trump's failures to Edison's failures after reports Trump lost over $1 billion in one 10-year period.

Quote: AZDuffman

As to "results," the Trump organization is a private company, meaning the financial results are none of your flipping business.



I agree completely that they can handle their business however they please. The issue is that they handle their businesses far differently than Edison handled his inventions

We all know Trump tax returns are never going to be seen by the public for the same reasons the Mueller report will remain private: https://politics.theonion.com/white-house-says-mueller-report-must-be-kept-private-be-1833813865
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:05:01 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Business is like that. On "Shark Tank," Mark Cuban says only about half of the made deals survive due diligence. Of the rest, many fail and most of the rest are just marginal. Just a few make real money. Real businessmen know this. The ones that say "he went bankrupt on this or that" have little clue about how business works.



If only people were so concerned about those that go into office with thousands and come out with millions.
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:06:36 PM permalink
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Trump could cure cancer and the people bashing him would continue. Bottom line, he is more successful than anyone on this forum.



In all things politics everything will be bashed by half of the people and worshiped by the other half. This includes both curing cancer and forgetting to flush the toilet.
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:08:22 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

His tax returns. The context was comparing Trump's failures to Edison's failures after reports Trump lost over $1 billion in one 10-year period.



Keeping your tax returns private is not "hiding" them. Again, it is none of your or anyone else's flipping business. I hope he sues the NYT for publishing personal info.

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I agree completely that they can handle their business however they please. The issue is that they handle their businesses far differently than Edison handled his inventions



So what? Different businesses, different tax laws, different times. Moral is not everything will succeed. Trump Airlines failed, as did it's former parent company. Other Trump properties did very well. This is how businessmen succeed, taking a risk.

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We all know Trump tax returns are never going to be seen by the public for the same reasons the Mueller report will remain private: https://politics.theonion.com/white-house-says-mueller-report-must-be-kept-private-be-1833813865



Keep them private. Why is it a big deal to some people?
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:10:21 PM permalink
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Donald is not smart enough to cure cancer.
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Is anyone? Wild success (like curing cancer, or being a self made 10+ millionaire, winning a pro sports title) is more attributable to variance than skill smarts or work ethic. Moderate success (millionaire, “ good” career etc) highly correlated to things like skill set, work ethic, smarts/decision making.
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:12:07 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Trump could cure cancer and the people bashing him would continue.



Of course, because there would still be plenty of reasons to bash him. If he somehow singlehandedly cured cancer he would get the credit that is due for that. Nixon did a lot for civil rights but he still gets bashed for other things, and rightly so.

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Bottom line, he is more successful than anyone on this forum.



Bottom line, because he was born rich. Was anyone else on this forum born into a family worth hundreds of millions of dollars? Probably not. Put baby Donald in an average middle class family and the high point of his career would be shift manager at a Wal-Mart. His "success" is a direct result of his inherited wealth. He's in the same category as the Kardashians and Paris Hilton.

I would also wager that literally EVERYONE on this forum has a higher net worth than Trump.
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:13:53 PM permalink
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I would also wager that literally EVERYONE on this forum has a higher net worth than Trump.



I will take the other side of that!
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:15:20 PM permalink
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The ones that say "he went bankrupt on this or that" have little clue about how business works.



Yeah? How was Trump University supposed to work? Was the business plan always to scam people? Or did it it just evolve into a scam?

You seem to have "little clue" about how a conman operates. I guess I don't blame ya. It'd be pretty embarrassing to admit to falling for it, even if it is the "manly" thing to do.
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:20:19 PM permalink
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I would also wager that literally EVERYONE on this forum has a higher net worth than Trump.

I will take the other side of that!



I would love to see how this bet could be graded

“My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings — even my own feelings — but I try” https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/15/donald-trump-says-hes-worth-more-than-10-billion/

It would just depend on how he's feeling to decide who wins
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:20:38 PM permalink
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Yeah? How was Trump University supposed to work? Was the business plan always to scam people? Or did it it just evolve into a scam?



It gave lessons on investing in real estate as far as I have heard. If a person thought it was a "university" then they are too stupid to spend their own money.

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You seem to have "little clue" about how a conman operates. I guess I don't blame ya. It'd be pretty embarrassing to admit to falling for it, even if it is the "manly" thing to do.



He is not afraid to give a business a shot. He sells himself as his brand. He is not afraid to be bombastic. He is a natural promoter and showman. All good things. MAGA!
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May 8th, 2019 at 2:22:47 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Of course, because there would still be plenty of reasons to bash him. If he somehow singlehandedly cured cancer he would get the credit that is due for that. Nixon did a lot for civil rights but he still gets bashed for other things, and rightly so.



Bottom line, because he was born rich. Was anyone else on this forum born into a family worth hundreds of millions of dollars? Probably not. Put baby Donald in an average middle class family and the high point of his career would be shift manager at a Wal-Mart. His "success" is a direct result of his inherited wealth. He's in the same category as the Kardashians and Paris Hilton.

I would also wager that literally EVERYONE on this forum has a higher net worth than Trump.



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May 8th, 2019 at 2:31:49 PM permalink
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Wow, YOU don't have a higher net worth than Trump? Yikes....
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May 8th, 2019 at 3:18:16 PM permalink
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Trump could cure cancer and the people bashing him would continue. Bottom line, he is more successful than anyone on this forum.



Yeah, I spent the millions of dollars my dad gave me on crack.

I do give him credit though. I give him credit for staying out of jail all these years!
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May 8th, 2019 at 3:37:36 PM permalink
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Wall is being built right this minute.



And on Mexico's dime, I'm sure.

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Hillary will never go to jail



We know. Twas ya boy who made the promise.

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What war.



The one we're dropping MOAB's onto.

Repealing Obamacare, cancel funding to sanctuary cities, establish commission on radical Islam, mandatory minimum for illegals, end birthright citizenship, defund PP, $500mmm for infrastructure, eliminate common core, enact term limits for Congress....

I feel like the Evenbob to your FrGamble sometimes.
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May 8th, 2019 at 3:43:21 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Of course, because there would still be plenty of reasons to bash him. If he somehow singlehandedly cured cancer he would get the credit that is due for that. Nixon did a lot for civil rights but he still gets bashed for other things, and rightly so.



Bottom line, because he was born rich. Was anyone else on this forum born into a family worth hundreds of millions of dollars? Probably not. Put baby Donald in an average middle class family and the high point of his career would be shift manager at a Wal-Mart. His "success" is a direct result of his inherited wealth. He's in the same category as the Kardashians and Paris Hilton.

I would also wager that literally EVERYONE on this forum has a higher net worth than Trump.



Let’s do it. Put your money out there or be prepared to accept walking away.

Don’t say sh$$ like this without money behind it here.

Name your wager.
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May 8th, 2019 at 3:46:27 PM permalink
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And on Mexico's dime, I'm sure.



We know. Twas ya boy who made the promise.



The one we're dropping MOAB's onto.

Repealing Obamacare, cancel funding to sanctuary cities, establish commission on radical Islam, mandatory minimum for illegals, end birthright citizenship, defund PP, $500mmm for infrastructure, eliminate common core, enact term limits for Congress....

I feel like the Evenbob to your FrGamble sometimes.



I get your arguments on what Trump has done to hurt America but don’t understand why you feel we went backwards with him compared to Hillary.

Face it America changed, in ways we both hate. Some call it progress, I call it reality we can’t stop.
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May 8th, 2019 at 3:52:37 PM permalink
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I get your arguments on what Trump has done to hurt America but don’t understand why you feel we went backwards with him compared to Hillary.

Face it America changed, in ways we both hate. Some call it progress, I call it reality we can’t stop.



How can you compare his actual backwards hurt against a perceived hurt by Hillary

Without her actually having been president we will never know what the results would have been.

I will admit it could have beem bad for this country and we wont ever know if you will admit it could also have been good for this country and we will never know.

To state emphatically what the outcome of something that never happened is simply hubris
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May 8th, 2019 at 3:58:16 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Let’s do it. Put your money out there or be prepared to accept walking away.

Don’t say sh$$ like this without money behind it here.

Name your wager.



LOL

What are we wagering over? Everyone's net worth vs. Trumps? How is that even going to be decided? You really think the hundreds/thousands of people on this forum are going to disclose their net worth? And we KNOW Trump will never disclose his true net worth, so the wager is dead in the water.
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:02:25 PM permalink
What cracks me up the most about the latest info on Trump's taxes is how people, including Fox News, are trying to convince Americans that losing a billion dollars of other people's money is success.

You guys are delusional. He's a lying piece of s**t.

This might be the only true thing he's said over the last 3 years: "I'm the King of Debt".

Yeah...no s**t.
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:08:14 PM permalink
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I get your arguments on what Trump has done to hurt America but don’t understand why you feel we went backwards with him compared to Hillary.



I'm not sure where you got that from. I can't even remember mentioning her unless in reference to someone else. I do not like her, have never supported her, and am quite glad we have Trump instead of her.
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:16:32 PM permalink
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What cracks me up the most about the latest info on Trump's taxes is how people, including Fox News, are trying to convince Americans that losing a billion dollars of other people's money is success.

You guys are delusional. He's a lying piece of s**t.

This might be the only true thing he's said over the last 3 years: "I'm the King of Debt".

Yeah...no s**t.



Keep listening to your dad on how this country sucks, lol.
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:20:46 PM permalink
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Keep listening to your dad on how this country sucks, lol.



Its not that it sucks
Its that it could be greater
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:30:16 PM permalink
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Keep listening to your dad on how this country sucks, lol.


He never said the country sucked.

Hey Boz, did you hear that Trump hires illegals?

According to you, that makes him a criminal, on top of being a piece of s**t...who has lied to your face THOUSANDS of times. If Donald Trump isn't proof that it's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled, what is?

After all, "EVERYBODY IS SAYING IT".
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:35:22 PM permalink
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Its not that it sucks
Its that it could be greater



As could the stock market. Then again some would have to put down the weed, beer and cigarettes and invest to take advantage of it. And of course most feel that is too much of a stretch.

Much easier to be “poor” and live off the hard work of others.

You see it everyday in the greater Tampa Bay Area.
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:37:19 PM permalink
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He never said the country sucked.

Hey Boz, did you hear that Trump hires illegals?

According to you, that makes him a criminal, on top of being a piece of s**t...who has lied to your face THOUSANDS of times. If Donald Trump isn't proof that it's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled, what is?

After all, "EVERYBODY IS SAYING IT".



Yea, but I’m still voting in MY best interests for him.

My life has gotten better under TRUMP. How has yours? And more importantly how has your fathers? And his retirement investments?
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:46:25 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Quote: Steverinos

He never said the country sucked.

Hey Boz, did you hear that Trump hires illegals?

According to you, that makes him a criminal, on top of being a piece of s**t...who has lied to your face THOUSANDS of times. If Donald Trump isn't proof that it's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled, what is?

After all, "EVERYBODY IS SAYING IT".



Yea, but I’m still voting in MY best interests for him.

My life has gotten better under TRUMP. How has yours? And more importantly how has your fathers? And his retirement investments?



Voting for a criminal? No shame in your game. I respect it.

It'll catch up to you.
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:52:18 PM permalink
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Quote: Boz

Quote: Steverinos

He never said the country sucked.

Hey Boz, did you hear that Trump hires illegals?

According to you, that makes him a criminal, on top of being a piece of s**t...who has lied to your face THOUSANDS of times. If Donald Trump isn't proof that it's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled, what is?

After all, "EVERYBODY IS SAYING IT".



Yea, but I’m still voting in MY best interests for him.

My life has gotten better under TRUMP. How has yours? And more importantly how has your fathers? And his retirement investments?



Voting for a criminal? No shame in your game. I respect it.

It'll catch up to you.



So no answer to the financial questions?

Would like to know the guy who said the Boomers ruined America opinion based on his finances.

Somehow I doubt he is complaining about his retirement in Florida. Then again, he probably is still bitter about Ron winning, but I doubt he is eating Dog Food over the will of Florida voters.

Face it, people like you, me and your father will always succeed when others fail based on their life choices.

Only difference is I understand we all have choices.
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May 8th, 2019 at 5:05:09 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Quote: Steverinos

Quote: Boz

Quote: Steverinos

He never said the country sucked.

Hey Boz, did you hear that Trump hires illegals?

According to you, that makes him a criminal, on top of being a piece of s**t...who has lied to your face THOUSANDS of times. If Donald Trump isn't proof that it's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled, what is?

After all, "EVERYBODY IS SAYING IT".



Yea, but I’m still voting in MY best interests for him.

My life has gotten better under TRUMP. How has yours? And more importantly how has your fathers? And his retirement investments?



Voting for a criminal? No shame in your game. I respect it.

It'll catch up to you.



So no answer to the financial questions?

Would like to know the guy who said the Boomers ruined America opinion based on his finances.

Somehow I doubt he is complaining about his retirement in Florida. Then again, he probably is still bitter about Ron winning, but I doubt he is eating Dog Food over the will of Florida voters.

Face it, people like you, me and your father will always succeed when others fail based on their life choices.

Only difference is I understand we all have choices.



Everything is fine financially. But just like during the Reagan, Bush's, Clinton, and Obama years, I credit MYSELF and my family for ANY personal or financial success I'm fortunate enough to have.

I remember a conversation I had with a conservative friend of mine when GDP hit 5.1% in 2Q2014 under Barack Obama. I asked him what he thought of that and he said, "I'm doing fine despite Obama." lol

And since I believe that presidents have their most consequential economic impact in times of crisis, and Trump has yet to face such a crisis, thanks to the strong economic foundation he inherited, it's hard for me to reconcile this notion that it's okay to vote for a criminal because the economy is doing well.

Yes, the economy is humming along. Yes, Trump deserves SOME, not all, credit for that. Yes, we STILL measure the economy by how well rich people are doing. Yes, that continues to be a problem. And yes, I continue to believe that it's very dangerous for a small percentage of people to control the vast majority of wealth. I do not believe that it's a recipe for long-term success and yes...

That too will catch up to us.
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May 8th, 2019 at 9:12:48 PM permalink
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I remember a conversation I had with a conservative friend of mine when GDP hit 5.1% in 2Q2014 under Barack Obama. I asked him what he thought of that and he said, "I'm doing fine despite Obama." lol

Oh yeah, 2014 was a notable year, with GDP at 2.4 percent. One of Obama's better performances! Wasn't that the year he told the U.S. to get used to pathetically low growth rates?
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May 8th, 2019 at 9:44:59 PM permalink
That's okay Trump fans, enjoy cancer or similar for the good years. Trump is like every bas***d conservative only worth pis**ng on by good people.

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May 9th, 2019 at 3:08:53 AM permalink
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That's okay Trump fans, enjoy cancer or similar for the good years. Trump is like every bas***d conservative only worth pis**ng on by good people.



I'll take the Trump rollbacks. The environment is doing great. If a person remembers the 1970s it is unbelievable. We have to quit draconian proposals. Really have to quit the unrealistic ones Democrats put in to take effect after they leave office.
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May 9th, 2019 at 3:35:29 AM permalink
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If a person remembers the 1970s it is unbelievable.



Under Trump, kids will be eating lead paint again and the school walls will get filled with asbestos. But yeah, you'll have an extra tax dollar in your pocket.
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May 9th, 2019 at 4:34:33 AM permalink
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Under Trump, kids will be eating lead paint again and the school walls will get filled with asbestos. But yeah, you'll have an extra tax dollar in your pocket.



Please provide a link showing where asbestos legalization has been proposed.

Please provide a link where Trump has suggested parents feed their kids lead paint.
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May 9th, 2019 at 7:01:53 AM permalink
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I'll take the Trump rollbacks. The environment is doing great. If a person remembers the 1970s it is unbelievable. We have to quit draconian proposals. Really have to quit the unrealistic ones Democrats put in to take effect after they leave office.



This is baloney. I understand you don't care what's left because you don't have kids and it's all about you. But these are not true statements. The environment is NOT great. Pollution is advancing on all fronts all over the world and making the planet more toxic daily. We have to have goals and take responsibility for the things we can change.

Recent headlines.

There will be more plastic in the ocean than fish by 2030. All fish, not just the edible ones.

Out of 8 million species on earth, 1 million are threatened with extinction in the next 20 years.

Toxins in the air (particulate concentration ) will not sustain life on this planet above 400 ppm. Latest reading is 445 ppm - we topped 400 in (I think) 2011, it dipped a little as China took some.extreme measures, but has re-established well above the toxic threshold.

We have GOT to do what's needed to keep the air, water, and soil productive and habitable, not just for humans, but plants and other animals as well. There are hundreds of small initiatives and several larger ones that DO make a difference.

For the kids. The others. The planet.

Like they say, "There is no planet B".
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May 9th, 2019 at 7:35:42 AM permalink
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This is baloney. I understand you don't care what's left because you don't have kids and it's all about you. But these are not true statements. The environment is NOT great. Pollution is advancing on all fronts all over the world and making the planet more toxic daily. We have to have goals and take responsibility for the things we can change.



"All over the world" is not the USA and more regulations for the sale of more regulations is not the answer. Making nations wealthy via freedom is the answer. Wealth is why the USA has more forest now than 100 years ago but places like China are still crazy in love with pollution. Do you remember the 1970s? Cities had way more air pollution. Leaded gas. Streams and creeks would foam for the soap residue dumped into them. Socially acceptable to throw trash out your car window, which brought tears to the eyes of fake Indians.

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Recent headlines.

There will be more plastic in the ocean than fish by 2030. All fish, not just the edible ones.

Out of 8 million species on earth, 1 million are threatened with extinction in the next 20 years.

Toxins in the air (particulate concentration ) will not sustain life on this planet above 400 ppm. Latest reading is 445 ppm - we topped 400 in (I think) 2011, it dipped a little as China took some.extreme measures, but has re-established well above the toxic threshold.



We have laws against dumping plastic. And species go extinct daily, always have, always will. Most are some sub-species you never heard of. I do not know what "toxins" you are talking about. What I do know is in the 1970s pollution readings were put on the newscast each night. By the 1980s the numbers were a fraction of what they showed in the 1970s, by the 1990s the levels were always "good" such that they stopped reporting them.


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We have GOT to do what's needed to keep the air, water, and soil productive and habitable, not just for humans, but plants and other animals as well. There are hundreds of small initiatives and several larger ones that DO make a difference.

For the kids. The others. The planet.

Like they say, "There is no planet B".



We are doing what's needed. Too many silly regs put in place to play politics will not help matters. Things are better than 40-50 years ago and still imporving.
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May 9th, 2019 at 7:44:22 AM permalink
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This is baloney. I understand you don't care what's left because you don't have kids and it's all about you. But these are not true statements. The environment is NOT great. Pollution is advancing on all fronts all over the world and making the planet more toxic daily. We have to have goals and take responsibility for the things we can change.

Recent headlines.

There will be more plastic in the ocean than fish by 2030. All fish, not just the edible ones.

Out of 8 million species on earth, 1 million are threatened with extinction in the next 20 years.

Toxins in the air (particulate concentration ) will not sustain life on this planet above 400 ppm. Latest reading is 445 ppm - we topped 400 in (I think) 2011, it dipped a little as China took some.extreme measures, but has re-established well above the toxic threshold.

We have GOT to do what's needed to keep the air, water, and soil productive and habitable, not just for humans, but plants and other animals as well. There are hundreds of small initiatives and several larger ones that DO make a difference.

For the kids. The others. The planet.

Like they say, "There is no planet B".




Totally agree
Its about making good decisions and choices to ensure an individuals and planets future
Boz keeps ranting about life choices affecting your life down the road
I agree with Boz somewhat, many people make bad life choices where they require help down the line
Sacrifice and work hard early in your life to ensure your future
Same with the environment. Sacrifice and work hard to keep the planet clean so we are not suffering in the future
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May 9th, 2019 at 9:19:22 AM permalink
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We are doing what's needed. Too many silly regs put in place to play politics will not help matters. Things are better than 40-50 years ago and still imporving.



Things are better strictly BECAUSE of laws and regulation (and the big one, education). The business killing EPA is why Erie went from a murky puddle of dead fish and industrial chemicals to a lake so clear I can see bottom at 20'. And I need water a little bit more than I need a/c.

I'm with you AZD at not buying everything thrown at me, and share your disgust that those with the loudest trumpets are oftentimes the worst offenders. Hypocrisy on parade, no doubt.

But you have to be... I don't even know. .coms do not give a f@#$ and you have to realize that. If killing a million people thru horrible genetic mutation saves a dollar, then they will save that dollar and damn the consequences. Every single person in here has permanent, non treatable, irreversible blood poisoning all thanks to DuPont, and there are tales in every state aboot some area that is effectively destroyed due to pollution.

It's bigger than ICE's and sea level. And when it comes down to it, it's a choice between life and a dollar. As one who's trying to be Jesus, I find it an easy choice.
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May 9th, 2019 at 9:47:49 AM permalink
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Things are better strictly BECAUSE of laws and regulation (and the big one, education). The business killing EPA is why Erie went from a murky puddle of dead fish and industrial chemicals to a lake so clear I can see bottom at 20'. And I need water a little bit more than I need a/c.

I'm with you AZD at not buying everything thrown at me, and share your disgust that those with the loudest trumpets are oftentimes the worst offenders. Hypocrisy on parade, no doubt.

But you have to be... I don't even know. .coms do not give a f@#$ and you have to realize that. If killing a million people thru horrible genetic mutation saves a dollar, then they will save that dollar and damn the consequences. Every single person in here has permanent, non treatable, irreversible blood poisoning all thanks to DuPont, and there are tales in every state aboot some area that is effectively destroyed due to pollution.

It's bigger than ICE's and sea level. And when it comes down to it, it's a choice between life and a dollar. As one who's trying to be Jesus, I find it an easy choice.



The point is not that regs have helped in the past, the point is at what point does this all get from somewhere between silly to irresponsible to impossible. John Stossell had a piece once about a clean water act. One place had clean water, so clean they could not clean it enough to meet the act. So the met the act by having some plant dump pollution into the water so they could clean it enough to meet the act.

Study after study on pipelines. How on earth much do we need to study an old technology? Meantime the oil and gas gets loaded onto trains which belch diesel emissions. Speaking of diesels, regulations there so strong that they have virtually outlawed diesel engines. There goes a better engine that gets higher mileage.

Chlorodane was banned a few years before I became a PCO. Thing is it worked great. It was replaced with chemicals where you had to use several times as much, hundreds of gallons of finished product on a suburban house. And the new stuff didn't work as well. Meaning yet more chemicals, more gas to go out there, more wood to replace damage so more trees cut down, badda beppa da boppa da boop.

Too many types who love government work and love moving paper, too few with real-world industry experience.
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May 9th, 2019 at 9:51:11 AM permalink
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What I do know is in the 1970s pollution readings were put on the newscast each night. By the 1980s the numbers were a fraction of what they showed in the 1970s,



In 1947 my dad built the house we lived
in till 1960 in the new 'suburbs'. 100 yards
behind the house was Corduroy Pond.
This was the runoff pond for Corduroy
Rubber Co, who made tires.

It was about 10 acres big, and the first
50 feet around the edges was solid
rubber, we used to jump up and down
on it as kids in the 50's. You couldn't
have a well because the ground water
was polluted.

They did away with it in 1959 and built
the county jail on the same spot. People
who weren't there have no idea what
this country was like before the late 70's.
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May 10th, 2019 at 8:48:02 AM permalink
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Yea, but I’m still voting in MY best interests for him.

My life has gotten better under TRUMP. How has yours? And more importantly how has your fathers? And his retirement investments?



My life (and money/savings/retirement account) has gotten better under every single president for as long as I've been alive, with the POSSIBLE exception of Bush Jr. However, I vote for what's in the best interest of the country, and not myself, because I live in a society and I'm not selfish.
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May 10th, 2019 at 9:30:48 AM permalink
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My life (and money/savings/retirement account) has gotten better under every single president for as long as I've been alive, with the POSSIBLE exception of Bush Jr. However, I vote for what's in the best interest of the country, and not myself, because I live in a society and I'm not selfish.



I agree
I also vote for what's in the best interest of the country, and not myself, because I live in a society and I'm not selfish.
I have good health care through my employment but I still support Obamacare
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May 10th, 2019 at 2:44:25 PM permalink
The political threads here are dying
since Mueller spilled the beans. Dying
like Rachael Maddcow's ratings and
all of CNN. Food Network now gets
more primetime viewers than CNN.
They just made 100 people retire
early.
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The political threads here are dying
since Mueller spilled the beans. Dying
like Rachael Maddcow's ratings and
all of CNN. Food Network now gets
more primetime viewers than CNN.
They just made 100 people retire
early.



Yeah, I wouldn't even check for them from now on, if I were you.
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May 10th, 2019 at 8:15:24 PM permalink
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The political threads here are dying
since Mueller spilled the beans. Dying
like Rachael Maddcow's ratings and
all of CNN. Food Network now gets
more primetime viewers than CNN.
They just made 100 people retire
early.


Here is some news for you.

I have heard that the Department of Justice inspector general Michael Horowitz has determined that the final three FISA extensions on Carter Page were illegally obtained.

Also the IG is doing additional investigative work on the first FISA due to new information obtained based on Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec’s Oct. 11, 2016, meeting with Christopher Steele which could result in a determination that first one was also obtained illegally.
new motto for the left: “I don't know if I received bad information, but I think I suspected there was more than there actually was,” (John Brennan Mar 25, 2019)
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May 10th, 2019 at 10:11:36 PM permalink
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Here is some news for you.

I have heard that the Department of Justice inspector general Michael Horowitz has determined that the final three FISA extensions on Carter Page were illegally obtained.



Must be on an obscure site still. Don't see it on Fox news yet.
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