2020 Election
He knows his past will sink him,
he knows he's too feeble and old
to do an 18 month campaign.
He's only #1 in the polls because
every person out there knows
who he is. He'll be great to make
of while he lasts, though.
Quote: RSQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: RSI haven’t looked at the sources about what AZD is saying, although my gut feeling is he’s probably wrong...at least according to what (darkoz, I believe) posted the actual source and quote(s).
But how can you seriously say that, though? I’m talking about the first & second paragraphs quoted above. It was literally a few days or week(s?) ago when you were putting on some heavy spin about the Mueller report and Trump’s “I’m f***ed” comment taken 100000% out of context.As the Ancient Hawaiians used to say, “The turtle calling the lizard a reptile.”
You haven't read the Mueller report. It doesn't say what you, and Trump, and Barr, claim it says (or doesn't say).
They got out in front of it to lie about it so people who hadn't read it, or didn't understand the legal aspects of it, would say things like you're saying. It's worked for almost 4 years now, why wouldn't they?
Read the actual report. Substitute the name Clinton for the name Trump in every sentence if you have to, so you can see what it actually says. Not what others are saying about it.
The .pdf is everywhere.
You're moving the goalposts. It remains clear the "I'm f***ed" comment was taken way out of context and there was some heavy spin put on it.
I actually kind of agree. I'm sure Trump uses the F word a lot in private. He over reacts a lot. I dont put a lot of weight on it.
On the flip side, I love that its in the report
Its classic Trump
Quote: RSIt remains clear the "I'm f***ed" comment was taken way out of context and there was some heavy spin put on it.
What also remains clear from the Mueller report is that Donald Trump is a lying piece of s**t. Trying to paint him as anything else is the epitome of spin.
It doesn't matter to him as long as it's at a school full of gropeable kids.Quote: MaxPenMaybe he'll move up from filling up the scuool lunch room to filling the gymnasium, for his rallies.
Quote: darkozSo then its law enforcement once congress amended the constitution that you had to pay taxes
You dont get to fart out both sides of your ass
Are you sure about that? I'd think it's one of the benefits of living alone and sitting on the internet all day.
Looks like someone is starting to panic.
Quote: darkozSo then its law enforcement once congress amended the constitution that you had to pay taxes
You dont get to fart out both sides of your ass
Illegal aliens sneaking in has nothing to do with taxes being theft. If you don’t mind the government stealing from you that’s your business. I refuse to polish my chains.
Quote: AZDuffmanIllegal aliens sneaking in has nothing to do with taxes being theft. If you don’t mind the government stealing from you that’s your business. I refuse to polish my chains.
He has already self admitted that he would rather sit on the subway than have income stolen from him thru taxation. Heck he sat on the subway (I think that's an underground bus) for 7 years. Have to give credit for conviction of beliefs if nothing else.
Quote: AZDuffmanIllegal aliens sneaking in has nothing to do with taxes being theft. If you don’t mind the government stealing from you that’s your business. I refuse to polish my chains.
YES it does because of YOUR statements.
You claim that taxes are theft because:
Anywhere in the world if men with guns force you to hand over your money that would be considered theft or robbery
I am quite certain that anywhere in the world if men with guns force you to hand over your children that would be considered kidnapping.
So Is it your belief and statement that anywhere in the world when men show up with guns and take (your money its theft) but if they take (your kids its law enforcement)?
Quote: AZDuffmanIllegal aliens sneaking in has nothing to do with taxes being theft. If you don’t mind the government stealing from you that’s your business. I refuse to polish my chains.
If you drive on public roads and federal interstates, you are spending taxpayer money.
I still don't know why you continue to live in America. I'm certain you can push property papers in hundreds of other countries. Surely there's at least one of them more to your liking.
Quote: MaxPenI don't think I'd be better off in a society without government. I would just like to see more governing for the people and less governing against the people. Unfortunately today many aspects of the government have run amok and the people are no longer in control. We the people are slipping further under increasing government control with each passing day.
I dont disagree with you here.
It seems to become a catch-22.
Too much government and we begin to approach tyranny and a big brother scenario
Too little government and we end up with unscrupulous people from robber barons and sweat shop owners historically to predatory lenders and toxic dumping in rivers more recently.
The idea of cameras recording all our moves is Orwellian 1984-ish and the concept the people go along with it as well.
And yet we have done that BECAUSE TO NOT DO SO OPENS DOORS TO UNSCRUPULOUS PEOPLE
And we have to balance out the two the best we can
Quote: SOOPOOAZ..... Taxes are not theft! They are part of the deal that we make to live in a structured society. We can argue (and we do!) about how to collect them, who pays how much, and what they are used for. Just like everyone reading this (maybe except terapined!) I want to pay less in taxes. Taxes are the deal I make to have my garbage picked up, firemen standing by, the Smithsonian open, my street plowed after a snowfall, prisons to keep the baddies away from me, potholes filled, clean water piped to my house, and as a county employee, my paycheck. I may HATE that some of my tax dollars are spent on MANY things, but I have given up my right to determine where each tax dollar goes by living in this society. Overall I think the deal has worked well for virtually all Americans. If you think you'd be better off in a 'governmentless' society, good luck to you.
Sounds like AZ might be an anarcho-capitalist.
Quote: beachbumbabsIf you drive on public roads and federal interstates, you are spending taxpayer money.
I still don't know why you continue to live in America. I'm certain you can push property papers in hundreds of other countries. Surely there's at least one of them more to your liking.
He should move out of the country.....right after all the F’s who said they were leaving if Trump won.
Quote:The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Offices work and conclusions. We communicated that concern to the Department on the morning of March 25. There is new public confusion about critical aSpects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.
So much for that argument of "If Barr was trying to cover something up, Mueller would have said something!"
Plot twist: he did.
Quote: darkozYES it does because of YOUR statements.
You claim that taxes are theft because:
Anywhere in the world if men with guns force you to hand over your money that would be considered theft or robbery
I am quite certain that anywhere in the world if men with guns force you to hand over your children that would be considered kidnapping.
So Is it your belief and statement that anywhere in the world when men show up with guns and take (your money its theft) but if they take (your kids its law enforcement)?
If you are legally in your own country or on your own property you might have a point. But an illegal alien is committing a criminal act, in a country they have no right to be inside. So nice try.
Quote: beachbumbabsIf you drive on public roads and federal interstates, you are spending taxpayer money.
I still don't know why you continue to live in America. I'm certain you can push property papers in hundreds of other countries. Surely there's at least one of them more to your liking.
And I fund those roads with my gas taxes and registration fees, along with tolls.
I live in America because I love my country. I just dislike and distrust my government. Trump is the first since Reagan to understand that government is a dangerous thing.
Why do you live here I would counter? For example, you seem to prefer a Banana Republic where impeaching a leader because you do not like him is acceptable, based on your posts. The USA was founded on the same distrust of government that I display, not on wanting to tax and regulate every aspect of our lives.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf you are legally in your own country or on your own property you might have a point. But an illegal alien is committing a criminal act, in a country they have no right to be inside. So nice try.
Not nice try...success
Please show where in the world any country laws says kidnapping is legal if its children from illegals.
Again according to you if men show up with guns and take money its illegal and theft anywhere for any reason.
The same must be true for men showing up with guns and taking children its illegal and kidnapping
Furthermore the courts WHICH UPHOLD THIS NATION'S LAWS and not the fantasy land of AZDuffman has found:
1) men showing up with guns to arrest tax evaders is justified
2) men showing up with guns and taking children even from illegal aliens is not justified
You sir do not believe in the rule of law EVEN AS ITS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY
What you are doing is spouting nonsense that if it suits AZ (not paying taxes) you are on the side of right and if it doesnt suit AZ (kidnapping children of illegals) then that is law enforcement
Quote: darkozNot nice try...success
Please show where in the world any country laws says kidnapping is legal if its children from illegals.
Again according to you if men show up with guns and take money its illegal and theft anywhere for any reason.
The same must be true for men showing up with guns and taking children its illegal and kidnapping
It would be if it was like when CYS bangs down a door and takes kids on weak reasoning. That is getting to be a problem. But when you get arrested with your kids practicality dictates that you will be processed and housed separately.
Quote:Furthermore the courts WHICH UPHOLD THIS NATION'S LAWS and not the fantasy land of AZDuffman has found:
1) men showing up with guns to arrest tax evaders is justified
2) men showing up with guns and taking children even from illegal aliens is not justified
You sir do not believe in the rule of law EVEN AS ITS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY
What I believe is TAXES ARE THEFT, no matter what the courts say. BTW: The IRS takes property without due process all the time. Theft, pure and simple.
Quote:What you are doing is spouting nonsense that if it suits AZ (not paying taxes) you are on the side of right and if it doesnt suit AZ (kidnapping children of illegals) then that is law enforcement
Here is the thing. I care about people having their money stolen from them in the name of taxes. I could not care less if someone illegally sneaking into the USA to live off our welfare system is separated from their kids awaiting deportation.
It seems you just cannot accept that someone does not like being taxed and does not love the government.
Quote: darkoz
What you are doing is spouting nonsense that if it suits AZ (not paying taxes) you are on the side of right and if it doesnt suit AZ (kidnapping children of illegals) then that is law enforcement
Quote: AZDuffmanHere is the thing. I care about people having their money stolen from them in the name of taxes. I could not care less if someone illegally sneaking into the USA to live off our welfare system is separated from their kids awaiting deportation.
Here is the thing. Seeking asylum at the border is LEGAL. So much for law and order.
Here's the other thing. Reagan grew the size of government. And something tells me he's rolling right now over your comparison to #DerangedDonald.
Quote: SteverinosHere is the thing. Seeking asylum at the border is LEGAL. So much for law and order.
Here's the other thing. Reagan grew the size of government. And something tells me he's rolling right now over your comparison to #DerangedDonald.
Here's the thing. It is not "asylum." That is just a little legal word game so liberals can hide their love of illegal immigration.
Here's the thing. They are supposed to claim asylum before, not after, entry to the USA. Entry illegal is illegal immigration.
Here's the thing. You just said "at the border." Means over the border is an illegal alien, and if arrested be prepared to separate from your kids.
Here's the thing. People who care about their kids do not illegally cross borders where they may have them taken.
Here's the thing, no, Reagan did not increase the size of government. Check out how many pages in the Federal Register. Note that the 1980s is about the only time it fell.
First offense: You work 112 hour weeks for 1 year. Get deported to your country of origin.
Second offense: Last offense, but also work 112 hour weeks for rest of your life.
Quote: AZDuffmanHere's the thing. It is not "asylum." That is just a little legal word game so liberals can hide their love of illegal immigration.
This story doesn't sound like a "game" to me. It sounds like real life. Real life-changing and scary decisions that people are making in efforts to save their families.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/10/02/why-did-trump-administration-separate-asylum-seekers-their-kids/
Quote: AZDuffmanIt would be if it was like when CYS bangs down a door and takes kids on weak reasoning. That is getting to be a problem. But when you get arrested with your kids practicality dictates that you will be processed and housed separately.
What I believe is TAXES ARE THEFT, no matter what the courts say. BTW: The IRS takes property without due process all the time. Theft, pure and simple.
Here is the thing. I care about people having their money stolen from them in the name of taxes. I could not care less if someone illegally sneaking into the USA to live off our welfare system is separated from their kids awaiting deportation.
It seems you just cannot accept that someone does not like being taxed and does not love the government.
I can accept someone doesnt like being taxed.
Hell, who does?
What I cannot accept is someone propounding the need for law and order while decrying they dont agree with the courts of the land they inhabit (while simultaneously decrying those who legally come here seeking asylum as criminals)
Its like you believe USA stands for United States vs. Azduffman
Quote: RSJust make illegal immigration a total nightmare for people to do and I guarantee you it'll stop happening. We might have to change around a few laws to get that done, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
First offense: You work 112 hour weeks for 1 year. Get deported to your country of origin.
Second offense: Last offense, but also work 112 hour weeks for rest of your life.
Just make HIRING illegal immigrants a total nightmare for companies controlled by Trump and I guarantee you it'll stop happening.
1st offence, impeachment
2nd offence, prison
Quote: darkozI can accept someone doesnt like being taxed.
Hell, who does?
What I cannot accept is someone propounding the need for law and order while decrying they dont agree with the courts of the land they inhabit (while simultaneously decrying those who legally come here seeking asylum as criminals)
Its like you believe USA stands for United States vs. Azduffman
So people are not allowed to disagree with a decision of the courts? You had better tell every liberal who has whined about Citizens United decision.
Hey, I will give credit where due. The last line is clever!
Quote: SteverinosThis story doesn't sound like a "game" to me. It sounds like real life. Real life-changing and scary decisions that people are making in efforts to save their families.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/10/02/why-did-trump-administration-separate-asylum-seekers-their-kids/
It is a game. Sneak across, collect benefits!
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is a game. Sneak across, collect benefits!
Similar to game of tax evasion
Quote: terapinedJust make HIRING illegal immigrants a total nightmare for companies controlled by Trump and I guarantee you it'll stop happening.
1st offence, impeachment
2nd offence, prison
Basically agree that the hirers need to be stopped. If there are no jobs for the illegals they will lose incentive to come here. Easy fix..... National ID card for all citizens. You then need to produce that card to get a job. And it of course would be used for voting as well. Paid for by taxes of course; "free' to all citizens.
Once established, it will be clear you are committing a felony by hiring an illegal, and I would hope the penalty would be severe.
I find it ridiculous that we do NOT have a national ID now, quite frankly.
Quote: darkozI can accept someone doesnt like being taxed.
Hell, who does?
What I cannot accept is someone propounding the need for law and order while decrying they dont agree with the courts of the land they inhabit (while simultaneously decrying those who legally come here seeking asylum as criminals)
Its like you believe USA stands for United States vs. Azduffman
We can call any law we didn’t sign up for illegal, not just taxes, based on duffman’s argument.
He could murder someone and claim he never agreed to our legal system to be tried for it, afaict.
Quote: darkozSimilar to game of tax evasion
The difference between "tax avoidance" and "tax evasion" is"
A. 1-5 years in Lewisburg
B. A good tax attorney
C. What the IRS says it is
D. All of the above
Quote: AZDuffmanThe difference between "tax avoidance" and "tax evasion" is"
A. 1-5 years in Lewisburg
B. A good tax attorney
C. What the IRS says it is
D. All of the above
I am sure Wesley Snipes agrees with you
Quote: SOOPOO
I find it ridiculous that we do NOT have a national ID now, quite frankly.
Double edge sword there. If ID is nationalized the feds can easily shut you right out of society at will.
Quote: SOOPOOThey are part of the deal that we make to live in a structured society.
[Snip]
If you think you'd be better off in a 'governmentless' society, good luck to you.
Unfair. A "deal" implies a mutual agreement. I neither agreed nor desire this. And I want out. To state it simply, I want to go feral.
What are my options? Where can i go to just "be"? Where can i dig a burrow or fashion a structure and forage and farm and fish without oversight or interruption, or at least where oversight and interruption can be met with defensive, perhaps deadly, force?
You realize as it stands, it is illegal for me to survive on my own? Code Enforcement say I can't farm here, DEC says I can't harvest this or that except for 3 weeks a year, I can't even hook up a box fan to an alternator without asking permission and paying The Man. Hell, NYS won't even let me pitch a tent in their parks.
God, what a stupid rant. I'm going fishing. You find this mythical land, I promise I'll move and stop bitching
Quote: RSJust make illegal immigration a total nightmare for people to do and I guarantee you it'll stop happening. We might have to change around a few laws to get that done, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
First offense: You work 112 hour weeks for 1 year. Get deported to your country of origin.
Second offense: Last offense, but also work 112 hour weeks for rest of your life.
Working 112 hours a week in the United States is still probably a step up for millions of people around the world. I don't think that would be much of a deterrent. They'd probably look at your terms and say, "Oh, yeah? What's the catch?"
Quote: AZDuffmanDouble edge sword there. If ID is nationalized the feds can easily shut you right out of society at will.
Sounds like a GOP wet dream. I'm sure they're working on it....
Quote: FaceQuote: SOOPOOThey are part of the deal that we make to live in a structured society.
[Snip]
If you think you'd be better off in a 'governmentless' society, good luck to you.
Unfair. A "deal" implies a mutual agreement. I neither agreed nor desire this. And I want out. To state it simply, I want to go feral.
What are my options? Where can i go to just "be"? Where can i dig a burrow or fashion a structure and forage and farm and fish without oversight or interruption, or at least where oversight and interruption can be met with defensive, perhaps deadly, force?
You realize as it stands, it is illegal for me to survive on my own? Code Enforcement say I can't farm here, DEC says I can't harvest this or that except for 3 weeks a year, I can't even hook up a box fan to an alternator without asking permission and paying The Man. Hell, NYS won't even let me pitch a tent in their parks.
God, what a stupid rant. I'm going fishing. You find this mythical land, I promise I'll move and stop bitching
They made you an offer you cant refuse!
Technically you should blame your parents. They birthed you into this world in this country, even forced your name upon you.
They sent you to school which made you agree to the 'deal' at an early age by accepting school education
Quote: FaceQuote: SOOPOOThey are part of the deal that we make to live in a structured society.
[Snip]
If you think you'd be better off in a 'governmentless' society, good luck to you.
Unfair. A "deal" implies a mutual agreement. I neither agreed nor desire this. And I want out. To state it simply, I want to go feral.
What are my options? Where can i go to just "be"? Where can i dig a burrow or fashion a structure and forage and farm and fish without oversight or interruption, or at least where oversight and interruption can be met with defensive, perhaps deadly, force?
You realize as it stands, it is illegal for me to survive on my own? Code Enforcement say I can't farm here, DEC says I can't harvest this or that except for 3 weeks a year, I can't even hook up a box fan to an alternator without asking permission and paying The Man. Hell, NYS won't even let me pitch a tent in their parks.
God, what a stupid rant. I'm going fishing. You find this mythical land, I promise I'll move and stop bitching
Still think you live in a free country?
Move out west so you cannot keep the rain that falls in your land either.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: FaceQuote: SOOPOOThey are part of the deal that we make to live in a structured society.
[Snip]
If you think you'd be better off in a 'governmentless' society, good luck to you.
Unfair. A "deal" implies a mutual agreement. I neither agreed nor desire this. And I want out. To state it simply, I want to go feral.
What are my options? Where can i go to just "be"? Where can i dig a burrow or fashion a structure and forage and farm and fish without oversight or interruption, or at least where oversight and interruption can be met with defensive, perhaps deadly, force?
You realize as it stands, it is illegal for me to survive on my own? Code Enforcement say I can't farm here, DEC says I can't harvest this or that except for 3 weeks a year, I can't even hook up a box fan to an alternator without asking permission and paying The Man. Hell, NYS won't even let me pitch a tent in their parks.
God, what a stupid rant. I'm going fishing. You find this mythical land, I promise I'll move and stop bitching
Still think you live in a free country?
Move out west so you cannot keep the rain that falls in your land either.
The problem is your definition of free seems to be without restrictions
Does a mass murderer get to complain he isnt free to murder in this country?
We are free in the general sense but there must still be societal restrictions
Very telling.
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/05/01/alec-baldwin-declares-lindsey-graham-trumps-fluffer/
Quote: BozDoes anyone else find it strange that Hollywood liberals like Alec Baldwin seem to think using homosexual slurs is OK?
Very telling.
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/05/01/alec-baldwin-declares-lindsey-graham-trumps-fluffer/
Somebody says fluffer, I just shrug because I have never heard that word before so I don't consider it a slur
It actually reminds me of Tiger Woods 1st caddy, Fluff Cowan
Anyway, I have always been suspicious of Lindsey Graham's sexual orientation
Strikes me as being somewhat feminine.
If he's gay or straight, really doesn't matter much to me
Quote: BozDoes anyone else find it strange that Hollywood liberals like Alec Baldwin seem to think using homosexual slurs is OK?
Very telling.
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/05/01/alec-baldwin-declares-lindsey-graham-trumps-fluffer/
That’s a homosexual slur?
News to me!
Good to know Breitbart is concerned with this issue.... /sarcasm
ETA: ams beat me to it! (no pun intended!)
We all know what a fluffer does and what he was insinuating. Add in the left infatuation that Graham is gay and it’s obvious.
Fluffer would be anyone who can keep the President's erection going. Anyone paid enough, or interested enough, not necessarily a homosexual. Nor was the term homosexual even used.
Quote: BozThanks for making my point, my leftist friends.
We all know what a fluffer does and what he was insinuating. Add in the left infatuation that Graham is gay and it’s obvious.
We'll talk to you about it once you understand what a slur is.
Quote: rsactuaryHow is "fluffer" a homosexual slur?
ETA: ams beat me to it! (no pun intended!)
I agree
I really doubt if I would be suspended here for calling a member a fluffer
I got tons of insulting words growing up on the streets of Baltimore, fluffer never made the cut. Not even close
On the streets of Baltimore, I would lose respect if I tried to insult somebody with a word as weak as fluffer
Quote: darkoz
Move out west so you cannot keep the rain that falls in your land either.
The problem is your definition of free seems to be without restrictions
Does a mass murderer get to complain he isnt free to murder in this country?
We are free in the general sense but there must still be societal restrictions
The mass murdered is causing direct harm to others. Most of the restrictions Face mentioned do not. I am generally against telling people what they can do on their own property unless it is directly harming someone else. And by "harm" I do not mean crybaby yuppies who move out to the country then get upset that people there do not conform to the HOA they left.
Put in simpler terms, victimless crimes should not be crimes.
