Nathan's Corner
Quote: petroglyphI really enjoyed Jack Palance
Quote: OnceDearThanks Nathan. I was tempted to ASK you to desist from posting them. They almost certainly contributed to this thread getting down-voted,
This forum, generally tries to encourage thoughtful, math-based wagering and the idea of encouraging any kind of subscription to the lottery, in an of its forms, is just an anathma
I get that posting picks is a low quality discussion, but I really don’t understand the overall anti-lottery sentiment.
Yes, I get that state lotteries have a 50%+ HE, but the amount of money wagered that we are talking about here is so low that it doesn’t really matter. The same people poopooing the lottery in this thread will cheer for someone’s black chip -EV Blackjack trip report.
The theoretical loss for that BJ player is going to be higher after 10 minutes compared to several weeks of casual lottery play.
At least one of the employees was a two.Quote: BozI think we may have a hit here with a reality series on Nathan and the workers at Walgreens.
Face it, there have been worse premises that have become hits.
Quote: OnceDearThanks Nathan. I was tempted to ASK you to desist from posting them. They almost certainly contributed to this thread getting down-voted,
This forum, generally tries to encourage thoughtful, math-based wagering and the idea of encouraging any kind of subscription to the lottery, in an of its forms, is just an anathma
OD, I really, really object. The Wizard allows posts on Betting Systems. Your harrassment of Nathan for everything she does based on your own personal preferences is very disappointing. It is worse, it is something I object to on the grounds of decency.
Nathan is different than you. She is a young, low-income black female (and an American). You are not young, low-income, black, female or an American. Its no surprise that she posts on topics that you are not interested in!
Nathan appears to be one of the few openly black members of this forum. You have threatened repeatedly to nuke her for "being disruptive" merely because she posts things that you are not interested in. Now you are objecting to her posts about lottery picks (in a thread named "Nathan's Corner") because they are "anathema" to this gambling forum? Because the mathematically-savvy forum members may be encouraged into betting on the lottery? As opposed to betting in a casino?
Your rationale for persistent badgering, bullying and threatening of Nathan is tissue thin. You constantly claim there is some kind of phoney-baloney danger to the forum in her innocent behavior. It leaves you open to accusations of racist bullying because your behavior seems motivated by the fact that she is different than you and that you don't like the differences. You aren't doing this to any of the white members of this forum, only to a young low-income black person who has posted her photo on the forum (and who may be the only low-income black who regularly posts in this forum.) For the love of God, I am asking you to stop harrassing Nathan.
Quote: gordonm888OD, I really, really object. The Wizard allows posts on Betting Systems. Your harrassment of Nathan for everything she does based on your own personal preferences is very disappointing. It is worse, it is something I object to on the grounds of decency.
Nathan is different than you. She is a young, low-income black female (and an American). You are not young, low-income, black, female or an American. Its no surprise that she posts on topics that you are not interested in!
Nathan appears to be one of the few openly black members of this forum. You have threatened repeatedly to nuke her for "being disruptive" merely because she posts things that you are not interested in. Now you are objecting to her posts about lottery picks (in a thread named "Nathan's Corner") because they are "anathema" to this gambling forum? Because the mathematically-savvy forum members may be encouraged into betting on the lottery? As opposed to betting in a casino?
Your rationale for persistent badgering, bullying and threatening of Nathan is tissue thin. You constantly claim there is some kind of phoney-baloney danger to the forum in her innocent behavior. It leaves you open to accusations of racist bullying because your behavior seems motivated by the fact that she is different than you and that you don't like the differences. You aren't doing this to any of the white members of this forum, only to a young low-income black person who has posted her photo on the forum (and who may be the only low-income black who regularly posts in this forum.) For the love of God, I am asking you to stop harrassing Nathan.
Gordon,
I truly believe you are out of line here. I will say that there is a lot going on in PM that I can't share. But OD is NOT harassing Nathan as a racist, or acting as anything other than a moderator trying to keep the quality of the forum posts as high as possible.
This forum is primarily about finding the best possible games for the players. The lottery is among the worst, maybe THE worst. Page after page of this thread has been not just advocating, but touting the lottery, and pushing a made-up system of advance picks, whIle being very selective about what she reports back.
The ONLY reason she has been allowed to continue without a nuke is that she negotiated free rein within this thread to post such things, and she has come close to but not crossed the line of trying to sell her picks, which would get her nuked, same as any other system seller.
Nathan has continued for weeks to ignore the many comments pointing out how bad the lottery odds are, until yesterday, when she said she would be using a lottery forum to discuss them instead, a decision she made herself. FWIW, I think she made a good decision, both for herself, and for the forum, given the point of the entire site.
People are allowed to disagree in this forum. You need to respect that right, without impugning anyone's character for doing so. I don't see ANYWHERE that OD posted anything in reference to Nathan's color, sex, or national origin. That was you, projecting, assuming hidden agendas.
Financial status, yes, that got discussed, but has been by many people, and in many other threads as well, in terms of playing within your bankroll, betting wisely, stop loss points, betting the rent, all kinds of other considerations as to available funds. It has to be a large factor in anybody's gaming, so not directed at Nathan except mostly within this discussion, where it's directly pertinent.
I think, at least for now, the lotto discussion is done anyway, with Nathan's decision to take it elsewhere. We'll see what comes.
Quote: beachbumbabsThe ONLY reason she has been allowed to continue without a nuke is that she negotiated free rein within this thread to post such things...
So "free rein" isn't really "free," is it?
The chastising of Nathan by both you and Once Dear carries more weight as the two of you are mods.
Hello, chilling effect.
No body can know what people think in their heads, not Babs and not Gordon. But civil rights laws are interpreted by the courts in this way: when you treat a black person differently than the way you treat everyone else (everyone else being mostly or entirely people who are not black) and you invent flimsy pretexts for your behavior (lotteries are anathema!) that are not based on rules that are written anywhere then your behavior may be found to be racial discrimination, irrespective of what you claim your intentions are. Especially when the behavior seems to stem from a personal distaste for the black person, which it apparently does in this case.
Please show me one word, one syllable in the Forum Rules that justifies telling Nathan that she shouldn't post on lotto picks. Just one sentence, one word, Babs. Constantly inventing new unwritten never-announced rules and then claiming that a racial minority is violating them is at the heart of racist behavior. No amount of hand-waving about "blah-blah" "behind the scenes discussions" can excuse it. If you can't explain the righteousness of your decisions to people who ask about it, then don't be surprised if people make assumptions about you and your decisions.
I would suggest that if there is an issue in the future with Nathan that someone other than OD be the person to handle the situation.
Quote: beachbumbabs
This forum is primarily about finding the best possible games for the players. The lottery is among the worst, maybe THE worst. Page after page of this thread has been not just advocating, but touting the lottery, and pushing a made-up system of advance picks, whIle being very selective about what she reports back.
The ONLY reason she has been allowed to continue without a nuke is that she negotiated free rein within this thread to post such things, and she has come close to but not crossed the line of trying to sell her picks, which would get her nuked, same as any other system seller.
Nathan has continued for weeks to ignore the many comments pointing out how bad the lottery odds are, until yesterday, when she said she would be using a lottery forum to discuss them instead, a decision she made herself. FWIW, I think she made a good decision, both for herself, and for the forum, given the point of the entire site.
By the way, I disagree with your above depiction of the situation. Nathan is posting about wagers of $1 and 50 cents on her lotto picks. She is clearly having fun, and she posts about her wagers like some people on Facebook post photos of what they ate for dinner. It is absurd to maintain that she is "advocating a system," she actually consistently posts that she loses money. The fact that she does not overtly acknowledge "the many comments pointing out how bad the lottery odds are" may be because she doesn't care, or may be because she does not have the same kind of educational background on mathematics as you do. You and OD might show some tolerance for people with different backgrounds. There is certainly no forum rule requiring a person to acknowledge comments that imply that their gambling avocation is stupid. And she has made it clear that she maintains a budget of $20/week for her "guilty pleasure." Good for Nathan. Shame on OD and Babs.
She doesn't appear to me to selectively report on her winnings because most of her reports are about her losses. I don't remember anyone on the thread that has challenged her for selective reporting. I don't remember forum members who have previously posted sports picks who were threatened with banishment by moderators for selective reporting of results. So apparently your claim of "selective reporting" is just a pretext to justify OD's behavior.
Courts give no weight to statements such as "I had no racist intent" because literally no one ever admits to racial intent; therefore denials of racial intent have been ruled to have no meaning or weight. What they give weight to is statements like yours, above, that disparage a black individual such as Nathan for no apparent reason, on flimsy pretexts that can be shown to have no grounds, and that cite violations of rules that are unwritten and not applied evenly to all individuals. That is what is called "racial discrimination" in modern society.
I will take 24 hours off from the forum to avoid an unproductive exchange on this subject, which I know is an inflammatory one. We should all think carefully about this subject.
Quote: gordonm888Please show me one word, one syllable in the Forum Rules that justifies telling Nathan that she shouldn't post on lotto picks. Just one sentence, one word, Babs. Constantly inventing new unwritten never-announced rules and then claiming that a racial minority is violating them is at the heart of racist behavior. No amount of hand-waving about "blah-blah" "behind the scenes discussions" can excuse it. If you can't explain the righteousness of your decisions to people who ask about it, then don't be surprised if people make assumptions about you and your decisions.
You're right, there is no forum rules about posting lotto picks. There is also no rule against bombing whatever server hosts the forum. We are not going to make a rule against everything we can think of and then allow anything we forgot. Ultimately, this is a dictatorship and the moderators can do as they please, although we endeavor to at least respect the rules ourselves. We make all decisions based on both respecting individual rights as well as the greater good of the entire forum.
That said, both Nathan and the moderators made a compromise to allow the posting of Nathan's lottery picks in Nathan's corner only. I think it was a reasonable compromise between the mission of the Wizard sites, which is to make the world better gamblers, and freedom of speech.
I also resent any insinuation that our actions in this matter are racially motivated. I find it extremely insulting, to be honest with you. You may disagree, but I would say that we would have fought against posting lottery picks from anybody.
Thank you for listening.
I can hardly answer that when I've posted similar trivia in this very thread. I've already said that I'll post tonight's UK lottery results here and I've already said what numbers I didn't buy.Quote: NathanHow about a compromise. I stop suggesting to posters what Lottery Numbers to play and I only talk about the numbers I am going to play/already played? :)
Quote: NathanHow about a compromise. I stop suggesting to posters what Lottery Numbers to play and I only talk about the numbers I am going to play/already played? :)
You are fine as far as I'm concerned.
Anyone had that feeling and used it to justify continuing to play, or even play more often?
Nathan, have you ever had that feeling? Did it influence you?
Well, I never did.
A few days ago, I posted my forecast/ prediction...
Quote: OnceDearOn Friday, I won't be buying the following 5 sets of numbers in the UK National Lottery
That will be £10 that I don't throw away.
Line 1: 1 7 8 10 13 20 Bonus No 21
Line 2: 4 16 17 20 21 22 Bonus No 26
Line 3: 4 8 13 26 30 55 Bonus No 58
Line 4: 2 10 13 14 19 23 Bonus No 25
Line 5:16 17 18 23 26 31 Bonus No 33
I'll also post the results after they are drawn on Saturday.
Well. blow me down......
Tonight's results
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Line 1 I got 2 numbers
Line 2 I got 0 numbers
Line 3 I got 5 numbers and the bonus ball
Line 4 I got 1 number
Line 5 I got 0 numbers.
So, by not buying any tickets, I didn't win the 5 number plus bonus ball prize. Prize is not yet announced, but is usually about £70,000
What a rubbish payout on a bet that has probability of 1 in 7,509,579
Pah
That's me done with predicting numbers and NOT buying a ticket.
I'll stop the predicting. I won't start buying tickets.
$:o)
I didn't really ever predict the lottery numbers this well.
Tell us your secret...please
Just lucky I guess. Or unlucky, since I didn't buy the numbers which I myself forecast so remarkably well.Quote: vegasOD....are you getting these numbers after the draw is over (just kidding). To pick 5 numbers once is almost unheard of.....to pick it twice in a roll is unbelievable but to do it three times in a roll is impossible.
Tell us your secret...please
I just checked.
5 numbers + the bonus number paid £71,142 tonight. That was shared between the 2 players that got it ( hopefully forum members UKMark and CharliePatrick ) So, If I'd bought that line, I'd be picking up £23714, which is a really rubbish prize for a £2 ticket and odds over 7 million to 1
And you wonder why I say the UK lotto is a mug's game.
Of course, I'm forecasting the numbers after they are drawn. That's the only way to be sure
That is how you trap yourself. Just don't.Quote: OnceDearTo anyone who's ever played any kind of lottery, maybe you have at some point considered NOT buying a ticket. Maybe you've then had the nagging thought "If I don't buy it this week it would be just my damned luck if my numbers come up"
Anyone had that feeling and used it to justify continuing to play, or even play more often?
IF OnceDear was with me, I would have considered buying some.
Quote: WizardRead his spoiler messages carefully.
Okay, I read his confession. I feel a bit gullibly naive now, LOL. :/ :D
Quote: NathanMost of my Pick 4 predictions are for front pair only. ;) On a side note, I played 81 front pair, and 82 popped up to say hi. ;) :/ I guess I'll play 81, 42, 47 tomorrow. :). Maybe 8142 tomorrow. :)
81 showed up today and I completely forgot to play 81 front pair. Drats. On a side note, 8164 was the full number. I would have been one number off from 8142. :P And I predicted that 816 would come up soon. 806 said hi. Hmm. 8164. Maybe 816 will say hi tomorrow. :P And 73 said hi today. I predicted that 73 Pick 2 would come up soon.
Quote: NathanOnce Dear, you really are on a roll! You predicted the Lottery right THREE TIMES in a row! O.O :D You really should have just bought those tickets. You only would have spent like $14 and had won almost $26, 000! On only a $14 gamble!
I hope his success helps inspire you. Keep hope alive and never give up on your dreams.
Quote: billryanI hope his success helps inspire you. Keep hope alive and never give up on your dreams.
Read Once Dear's spoilers. ;) Makes sense considering UK is ahead of Las Vegas. :)
Stay golden.
Powerball had a 2nd chance thing earlier this year where losing ticket #'s could be entered into a drawing to win a cruise where Kenny Loggins would be performing. I thought that would be pretty cool and I bought about $ 30 in tickets, figuring most people wouldn't bother registering and typing in 30 digit barcode codes.
- At the time, I did not realize that OD was in a different time zone and could share the results with me.
Quote: NathanOkay, I read his confession. I feel a bit gullibly naive now, LOL. :/ :D
Quote: JohnnyQLet he who has never bought a lottery ticket throw the first stone !
Powerball had a 2nd chance thing earlier this year where losing ticket #'s could be entered into a drawing to win a cruise where Kenny Loggins would be performing. I thought that would be pretty cool and I bought about $ 30 in tickets, figuring most people wouldn't bother registering and typing in 30 digit barcode codes.
- At the time, I did not realize that OD was in a different time zone and could share the results with me.
LMAO! Once Dear is not only in a different timezone, he is in a different CONTINENT! ;)
[OnceDear casts a stone. ]Quote: JohnnyQLet he who has never bought a lottery ticket throw the first stone !
??? The trick had nothing to do with time-zones. In fact the time difference never occurred to me. Are you thinking that way because I appeared to show the evening draw results in what would be USA morning?Quote:- At the time, I did not realize that OD was in a different time zone and could share the results with me.
I showed the results as soon as possible after the draw. The predictions were originally made at least 24 hours before the draw.
Assuming they were illegals.Quote: FinsRuleWe had an employee who was fired and then ratted out other employees as being illegals to ICE.
I’d think that was not nice to do.
You call them not nice, I call them heroes.
Let me get this straight...Quote: NathanAw man, my slot app had a recent promotion where they said,"52 million credits for $99.99!" I looked at my 13 million credit and thought in a way, 52 million credits is really good but do people really want to spend roughly real world $100 to get fake credits on a slot app? Wouldn't you be better off just winning the 52 million by getting good spins? And that's what happened. I got roughly 43 million credits on a really good spin in a bonus and then got roughly 9 million more, giving me roughly 52 million and I didn't have to use real world money to get it! I don't know too many people who would have went for that promotion.
There's an app that acts like a slot machine and you can buy credits for it in real money??? Was this an app you have to pay to install or use???
I'm in the wrong business.
Quote: OnceDearLet me get this straight...
There's an app that acts like a slot machine and you can buy credits for it in real money??? Was this an app you have to pay to install or use???
I'm in the wrong business.
The app is free, and to start with they give you like 10 million credits the first day and they give you 2 million credits every day plus like 300,000 credits every 2 hours. :) With their 2 million credits every day, you would get the 52 million credits in 26 days without spending any real world money anyways. :)
But people can pay real money to get extra credits?Quote: NathanThe app is free, and to start with they give you like 10 million credits the first day and they give you 2 million credits every day plus like 300,000 credits every 2 hours. :) With their 2 million credits every day, you would get the 52 million credits in 26 days without spending any real world money anyways. :)
Quote: OnceDearBut people can pay real money to get extra credits?
Yes, they can pay real money to get extra credits but I personally find that ridiculous as you are using real money to get fake credits in a slot app. Why not use the money to go a real world casino and have a chance to get more real money than putting it on a slot app that gives you no chance of giving you real money.
It is ridiculous, people out there do buy the credits they cannot afford, what idiots. They're sitting at home, sad they can't hit a button to see fake money they can win, and max their credit cards out. It makes me sick real casinos participate in this.Quote: NathanYes, they can pay real money to get extra credits but I personally find that ridiculous as you are using real money to get fake credits in a slot app. Why not use the money to go a real world casino and have a chance to get more real money than putting it on a slot app that gives you no chance of giving you real money.
Fast forward to today, I can barely find a myVegas prize that I am interested in, with the exception of a ticket to KA and the possibly the BOGO monorail pass.
Quote: AxelWolfAssuming they were illegals.
You call them not nice, I call them heroes.
So if you found out that your neighbor of 5 years was in this country illegally, you’d call ice on him?
The neighbor has always been nice to you, and has invited you over for beers a couple of times. He hasn’t committed any crimes that you know of.
they had me deported to Mexico and I'm not even Mexican. Woke up there with my pants unbuttoned.Quote: FinsRuleSo if you found out that your neighbor of 5 years was in this country illegally, you’d call ice on him?
The neighbor has always been nice to you, and has invited you over for beers a couple of times. He hasn’t committed any crimes that you know of.
Quote: JohnnyQLet he who has never bought a lottery ticket throw the first stone !
Powerball had a 2nd chance thing earlier this year where losing ticket #'s could be entered into a drawing to win a cruise where Kenny Loggins would be performing. I thought that would be pretty cool and I bought about $ 30 in tickets, figuring most people wouldn't bother registering and typing in 30 digit barcode codes.
- At the time, I did not realize that OD was in a different time zone and could share the results with me.
Please tell me this is a joke. Powerball with all its revenue can’t book anyone bigger than Kenny Loggins? Was Jim Mussina busy? Or couldn’t they afford the extra $1500?
Quote: OnceDearBut people can pay real money to get extra credits?
Every major US casino company has one. And I assume fools do buy credits.
Quote: BozEvery major US casino company has one. And I assume fools do buy credits.
Plenty of people spend a little money for entertainment, and sometimes that is on a slot app. They offer $1, $2, and $3 specials and they also offer $100 packages so you can spend only a buck (or even nothing) and be happy with yourself for not spending $100 like an idiot.
This is no different than candy crush. No different than my kids when they want a $5 expansion pack on Xbox.
This person is no more a fool than one who steps foot in a real casino or buys an actual lottery ticket.
Quote: CrystalMathPlenty of people spend a little money for entertainment, and sometimes that is on a slot app. They offer $1, $2, and $3 specials and they also offer $100 packages so you can spend only a buck (or even nothing) and be happy with yourself for not spending $100 like an idiot.
This is no different than candy crush. No different than my kids when they want a $5 expansion pack on Xbox.
This person is no more a fool than one who steps foot in a real casino or buys an actual lottery ticket.
The difference as I see it is they have all the popular slots of the day set at 98% or something no where near casino reality. And then customers win big on them and think it’s easy. The hope is they then go to the B & M casino and play. And we both know there are plenty of slot players who don’t understand the difference.
http://powerballpowercruise.com/index.htmlQuote: BozPlease tell me this is a joke. Powerball with all its revenue can’t book anyone bigger than Kenny Loggins? Was Jim Mussina busy? Or couldn’t they afford the extra $1500?
Quote: Wizard(snip)
I also resent any insinuation that our actions in this matter are racially motivated. I find it extremely insulting, to be honest with you. You may disagree, but I would say that we would have fought against posting lottery picks from anybody.
Thank you for listening.
I absolutely do not mean to insinuate in any way that either you, Babs or OD are racially biased or racially motivated in any way. Absolutely not. I respect all of you and believe that you are all earnest, decent people.
OD, Babs and you are all in public-facing jobs and I suspect that your employer has not given you much (or any) training in Equal Opportunity/Nondiscrimination issues and requirements. I have had a lot of training and experience in this area during my career and having heard your responses I believe you guys are simply less-than-perfectly aware of some definitions, requirements and things-to-avoid. Please understand that good-hearted, well-intentioned people can step over a "discrimination" line because they don't even know how the courts have defined that line -and because they are so zealous and caught up in doing their job that sometimes they are not sensitive to how their actions look to the "protected class" of people they are dealing with. Or how their actions look to spectators/observers.
No one wants to make a federal case of this rinky-dink matter. I don't even care if you guys remained convinced that you have never done anything that warrants criticism. What I did hope for was to make one or two of you more sensitive to certain diversity aspects of this situation as we go forward- and I already see signs that that may have happened. So, no need to disturb the peace further.
Note: Oh, I did take on board your comments about policies regarding posting lottery picks. I do agree that your initial compromise with Nathan was a good one because I have been enjoying Nathan's posts about lottery picks and am intrigued to see how she changes and grows (or not) over time. And, I offer four words to OD about moderation: Sometimes "less" is more. Or three words: Moderation in moderation.
