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January 10th, 2012 at 4:37:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I just read that Oprah weighs 260 again. She's been yoyo dieting for 30 years.

Is that considered her upper or lower bouncing boundary?

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What I could suggest on how to do it:
Sell your car, buy a bicycle, walk when you can't ride. Not "stop using", sell. Someone should be able to help you if you have to haul something large, but not having a car eliminates the temptation to take it "just for today". The list of hobbies already should read just "Blackjack, Karaoke" (unless you only ever taste and spit out, not just plan to). Avoid eating outside of home, you don't need lunch if your job isn't physically exerting, though light salad w/o dressing should be fine.

Exercise has to be prolonged, six or more hours every day, trying to take it all in one "workout" lump doesn't work, as fat metabolism is not fast enough to sustain heavy exercise. Daily workout (a week is 7 days while at that, not 5) is for weight maintenance, not for weight loss. Daily commute is the best opportunity to fit more activity into a day that is only 24 hours long. Clearly by far the best option is a job that involves physical activity, but that is rarely feasible, especially as a female.

Can't make any suggestions on dieting as I've never really done it. Except one, you can't stop thinking about [whatever bad food], exercise helps take your mind off it, if nothing else it's a way to pass time till you go to sleep. I think the main reason "diet and exercise" fails so often is that people misunderstand it as "some diet and some exercise".
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January 10th, 2012 at 7:30:16 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

So you have to work off another 155,000 Calories from exercise. Their guidelines indicate that required you to go from sedentary to sustained activity every single day for an hour or two. It doesn't say impossible, but there is almost no room for slipping up.


Keep in mind that:
1) Your body reconfigures to be more efficient with sustained diet,
2) The more you weigh, the less intense the exercise you can sustain and for less time; as you lose weight, you use fewer calories, so you have to step up exercise time and intensity.
2) 155,000/90=1,722 calories/day from exercise - is not possible to do in 1-2 hours.

edit: Corrected calculation - 155,000/275 = 570/day

Intense running uses up 750 calories over normal per hour, but it's only 150 per mile, and you'll be hard-pressed to finish it without slowing down, being 250 lbs. More realistic exercise class is about 400-600 per hour over normal, prolonged will be less so as to sustain it.
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January 10th, 2012 at 7:52:07 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

I went from 225 to 175 in about 4 months about a dozen years ago, and I felt very happy.



Do you remember how you did that ? Weight Watchers ?
Sheer willpower ?
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January 10th, 2012 at 7:52:45 PM permalink
All this talk is fine, but unless another 5-6
people sign on, this bet is never gonna
happen. Right now the chance of it happening
at all is about 20%..
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January 10th, 2012 at 8:11:12 PM permalink
Maybe the "line" is set too high.

What would be the odds to get an even # of gamblers
on both sides ? Maybe 3 to 1 ?
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January 10th, 2012 at 8:17:46 PM permalink
It can be done, but I wouldn't call it a diet. I'd call it learning how to eat healthy. I lost 38 pounds last yea (in about 6 months) by doing only two things. Counting calories and exercising (walking, hiking, stationary bike). I used a great website called MyFoodDiary.com . It has every possible food and hundreds of restaraunts foods built into it. You enter in what you eat and your exercise each day and it keeps track of everyting. Losing weight is just calories in and calories burned.

Some stuff that I thought was good for me before I started using the site turned out to be not so good. I ended up eating a lot of chicken, turkey, salad and 0 calorie drinks and was rarely hungry. I even rewarded my self with ice cream here and there after having a really good day because having too few calories is not good either.

Good luck to you and let me know if you sign up for the site, I could use another 5 pounds gone (I gained some back after divorce) and we can root each other on. Having support is a great help to losing weight.
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January 10th, 2012 at 8:20:15 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

You divided by the number of pounds, there is 275 days in the program.


OK, that's right, my mistake. At that number it does add up.

However one still has to consider this is:
* Exercising every day, not skimping,
* Maintained diet, no pig-out days,
* No booze.
One party on the weekend will easily wipe out the weekdays' progress. With realistic planning for slipping, sickness, exceptions, etc., it's still better to plan in some more exercise.

It's well possible to lose weight faster (I did that once without intending to or even realizing), but with a different general activity level, not just squeezing in a workout after office work. Optimally you should be doing some physical activity 12-14 hours a day, i.e. all the time you're not sleeping or taking care of other primary needs.
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January 10th, 2012 at 10:59:47 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

I didn't mean to be flippant. I should have just said it requires a lot of exercise.

But if you are going to lose 90 pounds that is 3500*90=315,000 Calories.
According to the guidelines in the Mayo Clinic if you religiously hold to a 1200 Calorie day diet for a 5' 7" woman in her late 30's, you can probably expect 165,000 Calories from diet (over 275 days). So you have to work off another 155,000 Calories from exercise. Their guidelines indicate that required you to go from sedentary to sustained activity every single day for an hour or two. It doesn't say impossible, but there is almost no room for slipping up.



I think we knew what you meant. No harm. You are spot on with your calorie math there though.
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January 11th, 2012 at 1:52:34 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

I was very happy at the time. It made it very easy. I ate a lot of vegetables, sometimes a whole pot of broccoli, but mostly I was happy and I didn't need the food to feel good. It sounds kind of dumb, but I didn't do any diet.

At one time I did go on Weight Watchers after my divorce, but that was 20 years ago. That worked as well, but I had a good female friend that helped me there as well. So I think I was happy at that time as well. At that point I did weigh 166.



No, it doesn't sound dumb-sounds exactly on point. Most people eat to combat depression, etc., to offset bad feelings with good. I personally have just lost about 25 lbs in 6 weeks or so. The big secret? Quit the damn artificial sweeteners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are terrible for you, and I had to find this out from my chiropractor. The medical community is completely hush about how bad they are for you. Artificial sweeteners have a triple affect on the brain that regular sugar does as far as stimulation. Your body kicks into high gear, but only temporarily - where's the beef, where's the sugar - hey, you fooled us with that artificial sweetener, so get your butt in gear and pack in a whole bunch of carbs cause we're racing here and need fuel. Thus, the carb cravings that people have and can't control. That carb binge is what messes you up. Even regular sugar is preferable to artificials. The natural sugars - agave the best - but honey is nearly as good, will help on calorie intake, and a big portion of their carbs are non-digestible. Not sure where I saw the table, but agave had a diabetes rating factor of about 31 compared to 65 or so for sugar. What one finds out is that there is a much healthier way to eat that no one seems to care about. I'll ask my same question again: do you think the medical community, drug companies, mental health treatment entities really would welcome a cure for depression, obessity, generally poor health? FUCK no, that's what puts the filet minon on the table! Correct?
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January 11th, 2012 at 2:12:55 AM permalink
Quote: dm

I'll ask my same question again: do you think the medical community, drug companies, mental health treatment entities really would welcome a cure for depression, obessity, generally poor health?



Yes........ Next question?

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