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April 6th, 2020 at 8:23:37 PM permalink
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Was Columbus British? I've heard he was Italian, Corsican and even a light skinned African Jew, but never heard him called British.

So the year the English first land in Virginia, an Indian says he has seen them fight for two generations?





If you want to check my source, "A People's history of the United States" is on Kindle. Search key words. All was quoted Word for word from his book. This was the textbook for history at university of Texas in Austin

I don't think that he was implying two generations of fighting. He said he saw his people "die" or pass away naturaly for two generations.

I didn't say that the Spaniard Columbus was British. John Smith and John Winthrop are. USA was under British rule until our independence in 1776.

"For a while, the English tried softer tactics. But ultimately, it was back to annihilation. The Indian population of 10 million that lived north of Mexico when Columbus came would ultimately be reduced to less than a million,"
"A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn.





ď Columbus sent expedition after expedition... they found no gold fields but had to fill up the ships returning to Spain with some kind of dividend. In the year 1495, they went on a great slave raid, rounded up 1500 Arawak ...put them in pens guarded by Spaniards ... 200 died en route. The rest arrived alive in Spain and were put up for sale by the archdeaconĒ ďa peoples history of the united states ď by howard zinn

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April 7th, 2020 at 12:32:15 AM permalink
You can print it as big as you want. That doesnt make it true. Even your fractured fairty tale book you keep quoting is telling you that. You said the British killed 100 million people and then talk about things Columbus did a hundred years before the British first came to the states.
Now, if you said the Spanish, or even the Europeans killed 100 million, I'd still say you were wrong but were at least in the right ballpark.
Keep in mind that most Native tribes in the East choose to fight for the British against Americans both in the Revolution, and again in 1812.
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April 7th, 2020 at 2:32:15 AM permalink
My local ARCADE here in Florida is staying open but limiting occupancy to ten masked customers and wiping things down every hour,
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April 7th, 2020 at 6:59:41 AM permalink
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The massive contagion issues arenít going away May 1. I am wondering how they plan to open these venues with contagion still looming large. I have to assume some big societal norms are going to change



If casinos are accepting reservations next month, t expect they will reopen the instant some government authority says it's OK. Like TD, I have wondered about changes casinos might institute when they reopen. Anything might happen.

Roger Snow, SrVP at Scientific Games, has a few suggestions of his own for what might be the New Normal. (He even admits how dumb it will look if he gets it all wrong.) Snow suggests these possibilities:
  • Casinos will disinfect (or wash) casino chips.
  • Cameras will automatically sense body temperature of guests as they arrive.
  • Some dealers and other casino staff will wear masks, possibly with corporate branding. Gamblers may wear "fashion" masks.
  • Slots will be positioned to enforce social distancing.
  • Buffets will NEVER return to your or any casinos.

According to Snow, this may be your New Normal.
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April 7th, 2020 at 7:30:30 AM permalink
Thanks for a post actually about the thread topic. Maybe the indian historians will go show off somewhere else.
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April 7th, 2020 at 7:52:56 AM permalink
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According to Snow, this may be your New Normal.




That actually sounds pretty realistic, even reasonable. The corporate branding on the masks made me laugh, but it's not really funny, I can see it. Thanks for the good post and link.
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April 7th, 2020 at 8:11:30 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

If casinos are accepting reservations next month, t expect they will reopen the instant some government authority says it's OK. Like TD, I have wondered about changes casinos might institute when they reopen. Anything might happen.

Roger Snow, SrVP at Scientific Games, has a few suggestions of his own for what might be the New Normal. (He even admits how dumb it will look if he gets it all wrong.) Snow suggests these possibilities:

  • Casinos will disinfect (or wash) casino chips.
  • Cameras will automatically sense body temperature of guests as they arrive.
  • Some dealers and other casino staff will wear masks, possibly with corporate branding. Gamblers may wear "fashion" masks.
  • Slots will be positioned to enforce social distancing.
  • Buffets will NEVER return to your or any casinos.

According to Snow, this may be your New Normal.


Time will tell. The casino environment is very difficult to control and mitigate the spread.

Large groups of people together with transfers of money, transfer of chips, dice, cards, hands on machines, vaping smoke spew, smoke spew, ashes on machines, people moving from machine to machine.

A bit different than 50-100 people sitting in a movie theater and doing nothing but watching a screen and eating their popcorn. Yes, close proximity....but effectively no transfers via the above noted issues.

Iím trying to grasp how we are going to safely open the casino doors....and frankly, I canít grasp safe. The high contagion is not going away May 1.

Ugly situation. Bring on the vaccine. Itís the only true method to combat the enormous challenges of putting a lot of people together and not having outbreak after outbreak.

Governor Sisolak....as much as heís trying, probably has no damn clue how to effectively open the doors again.
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April 7th, 2020 at 8:18:05 AM permalink
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Quote: LuckyPhow

If casinos are accepting reservations next month, t expect they will reopen the instant some government authority says it's OK. Like TD, I have wondered about changes casinos might institute when they reopen. Anything might happen.

Roger Snow, SrVP at Scientific Games, has a few suggestions of his own for what might be the New Normal. (He even admits how dumb it will look if he gets it all wrong.) Snow suggests these possibilities:

  • Casinos will disinfect (or wash) casino chips.
  • Cameras will automatically sense body temperature of guests as they arrive.
  • Some dealers and other casino staff will wear masks, possibly with corporate branding. Gamblers may wear "fashion" masks.
  • Slots will be positioned to enforce social distancing.
  • Buffets will NEVER return to your or any casinos.

According to Snow, this may be your New Normal.


Time will tell. The casino environment is very difficult to control and mitigate the spread.

Large groups of people together with transfers of money, transfer of chips, dice, cards, hands on machines, vaping smoke spew, smoke spew, ashes on machines, people moving from machine to machine.

A bit different than 50-100 people sitting in a movie theater and doing nothing but watching a screen and eating their popcorn. Yes, close proximity....but effectively no transfers via the above noted issues.

Iím trying to grasp how we are going to safely open the casino doors....and frankly, I canít grasp safe. The high contagion is not going away May 1.

Ugly situation. Bring on the vaccine. Itís the only true method to combat the enormous challenges of putting a lot of people together.



I agree.

The vaccine is still eleven months away at the least (they said a year and already it's been a month gone by)

I do believe there will be an interim period once they have a medical means to prevent death. That's really the main issue here.

We don't need to wait for the vaccine to reopen. Just a treatment where if you catch Coronavirus you go to the hospital, get some shots and fight off the infection without fear of dying.

I'm anxious to see the trial results of just such a medication. Results should be in by next week

And no, it's not hydroxychloriquine or remdesvir
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April 7th, 2020 at 8:42:20 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: TDVegas

Quote: LuckyPhow

If casinos are accepting reservations next month, t expect they will reopen the instant some government authority says it's OK. Like TD, I have wondered about changes casinos might institute when they reopen. Anything might happen.

Roger Snow, SrVP at Scientific Games, has a few suggestions of his own for what might be the New Normal. (He even admits how dumb it will look if he gets it all wrong.) Snow suggests these possibilities:

  • Casinos will disinfect (or wash) casino chips.
  • Cameras will automatically sense body temperature of guests as they arrive.
  • Some dealers and other casino staff will wear masks, possibly with corporate branding. Gamblers may wear "fashion" masks.
  • Slots will be positioned to enforce social distancing.
  • Buffets will NEVER return to your or any casinos.

According to Snow, this may be your New Normal.


Time will tell. The casino environment is very difficult to control and mitigate the spread.

Large groups of people together with transfers of money, transfer of chips, dice, cards, hands on machines, vaping smoke spew, smoke spew, ashes on machines, people moving from machine to machine.

A bit different than 50-100 people sitting in a movie theater and doing nothing but watching a screen and eating their popcorn. Yes, close proximity....but effectively no transfers via the above noted issues.

Iím trying to grasp how we are going to safely open the casino doors....and frankly, I canít grasp safe. The high contagion is not going away May 1.

Ugly situation. Bring on the vaccine. Itís the only true method to combat the enormous challenges of putting a lot of people together.



I agree.

The vaccine is still eleven months away at the least (they said a year and already it's been a month gone by)

I do believe there will be an interim period once they have a medical means to prevent death. That's really the main issue here.

We don't need to wait for the vaccine to reopen. Just a treatment where if you catch Coronavirus you go to the hospital, get some shots and fight off the infection without fear of dying.

I'm anxious to see the trial results of just such a medication. Results should be in by next week

And no, it's not hydroxychloriquine or remdesvir


As we open, the 4 groups at serious risk will be...

-Elderly....
-Elderly with compromised health...
-Anyone with compromised health...
-Anyone with lung issues (ie smokers)...

The key is not overwhelming hospitals and ventilators. Cities like Vegas have a high visitor count. We cannot house those visitors in overwhelming numbers in Vegas hospitals. Itís just not set up for that.

Itís a nasty virus but the supermajority will simply stay home (hopefully) if they get it, stay warm, drink fluids....and they will recover as if it was the standard flu. This thing is killing those with either health issues or compromised organs (ie lungs).

This is why....and I know Iím hammering it hard, you cannot allow smoking within the confines of the casino as we re open. Itís a non starter. For those who were or are considering quitting, youíve just been handed a VERY sound reason to do so....your life.
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April 7th, 2020 at 8:54:56 AM permalink
NY State is trying to develop an anti-body test. It appears that those who have been exposed and are no longer contagious may be allowed back to work in the not so distant future. I'm thinking June 1st but maybe sooner. What I don't get is what the majority of people will do. Those that practiced the guidelines and didn't expose themselves seem to be getting the short end of the stick.

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