When will casinos open?
Quote: DRichI am still holding out for the slightest glimmer of hope that my May 15th Caribbean beach vacation may still happen. The flights are still scheduled but I expect they will be cancelled this week. If the plane flies and the beach is open I will be going.
I planned this one for ten days and that will be the longest vacation that I have ever taken.
I'd bet you will be allowed to go. Whatever little island you are going to will be desperate for your tourist dollars. The airline will be desperate to fly you there. If you are like me, and won't be unhappy that it will be far less crowded than usual, go and enjoy!
I've taken vacations as long as 16 days. No matter how nice a place I'm at, by the end I want my own bed. 10 days will be a nice sweet spot.
Quote: SOOPOOI'd bet you will be allowed to go. Whatever little island you are going to will be desperate for your tourist dollars. The airline will be desperate to fly you there. If you are like me, and won't be unhappy that it will be far less crowded than usual, go and enjoy!
I've taken vacations as long as 16 days. No matter how nice a place I'm at, by the end I want my own bed. 10 days will be a nice sweet spot.
I hope your are right. Today the beaches are still closed and the airport is not accepting international flights. We are going to St. Maarten / St Martin. The crazy thing is they just halted the sale of all alcoholic beverages on the island. Hopefully that will change too before we arrive.
Quote: DRichI hope your are right. Today the beaches are still closed and the airport is not accepting international flights. We are going to St. Maarten / St Martin. The crazy thing is they just halted the sale of all alcoholic beverages on the island. Hopefully that will change too before we arrive.
DRich, are you crazy? I wouldn't leave this country right now for all the money in the world. Look how many people got stuck and had a heck of a time getting back. This is no time to be leaving the United States.
MAKE ONE!!Quote: ChumpChange"How are you gonna spend your $1,200 check?"
"Oh, my county has a $1,000 fine for not wearing a mask in public, and there's no masks anywhere."
Get creative: high-grade air filters fashioned into a face mask?
Quote: bobbartopDRich, are you crazy? I wouldn't leave this country right now for all the money in the world. Look how many people got stuck and had a heck of a time getting back. This is no time to be leaving the United States.
I don't think I am crazy, I am just not scared. What is the worst case scenario? I get sick and die? I have accepted that I am going to die at some point so I will gamble and enjoy the time that I do have. There is no point in living if you aren't happy.
Quote: DRichI don't think I am crazy, I am just not scared. What is the worst case scenario? I get sick and die? I have accepted that I am going to die at some point so I will gamble and enjoy the time that I do have. There is no point in living if you aren't happy.
If I had a choice of ways to die it would not include two weeks of "being drowned" inside my lungs with fluid while a ventilator tube is shoved down my throat.
Are you certain your view on death includes any all painful variants?
Quote: ChumpChange"How are you gonna spend your $1,200 check?"
"Oh, my county has a $1,000 fine for not wearing a mask in public, and there's no masks anywhere."
No county anywhere in the United States has a fine for not wearing a hard-to-find, medical grade face mask in public.
Quote: darkozIf I had a choice of ways to die it would not include two weeks of "being drowned" inside my lungs with fluid while a ventilator tube is shoved down my throat.
Are you certain your view on death includes any all painful variants?
Of course I am not sure, but I am a gambler and figure the likelyhood of getting it and dieing are less than 10% so I would find that acceptable.
Quote: DRichI hope your are right. Today the beaches are still closed and the airport is not accepting international flights. We are going to St. Maarten / St Martin. The crazy thing is they just halted the sale of all alcoholic beverages on the island. Hopefully that will change too before we arrive.
If you lived in St Martin, how would you feel about planeloads of people from the most widely hit country coming to visit?
If the beaches are open, but alcoholic drinks are banned, are you still going?
https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/
Deaths look to be flattening, but new cases continue to rise (when looking at page 2 on the Microsoft BI thingy). I would guess the almost ~4% death rate (of confirmed tests) may be a sign that more testing is needed.
Over-pressure when using a ventilator may not be compatible with certain types of damaged lungs (from prior conditions) and is also known to lead to increasing acidification which causes hypoxia and death. I have been told that if a patient dies on a ventilator it is often/usually/always due to hypoxia (caused by being on the ventilator) rather than the underlying virus or respiratory problem.
Of course, the medical profession still lists the cause of death as Covid-19, which is entirely sensible and appropriate.
Except, perhaps, in China, where there is speculation that the government may have changed the categorization of deaths from Covid-19 to something else -maybe hypoxia. We just don't know.
Quote: billryan
If the beaches are open, but alcoholic drinks are banned, are you still going?
Yes I would still go, alcohol is not a necessity.
Quote: DRichYes I would still go, alcohol is not a necessity.
I've had some very good non alcoholic island type drinks. Almost can't tell other than no buzz after the 3rd.
Would not bother me to be on the beach and not have alcohol.
Maybe it's a message...lay off the vice stuff and keep our bodies healthy. We only get 1 chance at it.
Speaking of which, is the airport in Vegas open? Is it the only place you can play slots right now?
Quote: KeeneoneI think it is unlikely casinos in Nevada will be allowed to open until the number of new confirmed cases drops significantly in the state. I have been checking this site:
https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/
Deaths look to be flattening, but new cases continue to rise (when looking at page 2 on the Microsoft BI thingy). I would guess the almost ~4% death rate (of confirmed tests) may be a sign that more testing is needed.
I have a great analogy. If you are waiting to go back to everything open because deaths are 'going down'....
"There were 5 deaths a day at this intersection. We put up a 4 way stop sign. There was only 1 death in the subsequent month at that intersection..... So now it is time to remove the stop signs?"
Quote: SOOPOOI have a great analogy. If you are waiting to go back to everything open because deaths are 'going down'....
"There were 5 deaths a day at this intersection. We put up a 4 way stop sign. There was only 1 death in the subsequent month at that intersection..... So now it is time to remove the stop signs?"
Without using analogies, what point are you trying to make about my post?
As you are a medical professional, I sincerely value and appreciate your posts on this subject.
Quote: KeeneoneWithout using analogies, what point are you trying to make about my post?
As you are a medical professional, I sincerely value and appreciate your posts on this subject.
Your post was fine. My retort was more about the concept that since we have been successful using a specific strategy (social distancing), that now we no longer need social distancing because it worked.
I think the stop sign analogy sums that up well. The stop signs worked. But they will not work once removed. Same as social distancing works.... until we stop doing it.
As I have said.... there will be a time we 'open things up', and IT WILL cost lives. But our entire existence as a society is not to not lose a single life unnecessarily. We of course allow smoking, allow high speed highways, allow sugar laden beverages, ....
The difficult decision will be to figure out HOW MANY extra lives will be lost to coronavirus to feel opening up the economy is worth it. If you read this forum, many feel that the time is now; that the lives lost will be worth ending unemployment, despair, suicide, child abuse, etc...
I have made my position clear.... when an area can handle the expected number of coronavirus ICU cases, I say open things up. Any individual can still choose to social distance, but it won't be mandated.
Quote: SOOPOOYour post was fine. My retort was more about the concept that since we have been successful using a specific strategy (social distancing), that now we no longer need social distancing because it worked.
I think the stop sign analogy sums that up well. The stop signs worked. But they will not work once removed. Same as social distancing works.... until we stop doing it.
As I have said.... there will be a time we 'open things up', and IT WILL cost lives. But our entire existence as a society is not to not lose a single life unnecessarily. We of course allow smoking, allow high speed highways, allow sugar laden beverages, ....
The difficult decision will be to figure out HOW MANY extra lives will be lost to coronavirus to feel opening up the economy is worth it. If you read this forum, many feel that the time is now; that the lives lost will be worth ending unemployment, despair, suicide, child abuse, etc...
I have made my position clear.... when an area can handle the expected number of coronavirus ICU cases, I say open things up. Any individual can still choose to social distance, but it won't be mandated.
I’m pretty much in agreement. How many lives lost do we tolerate vs. a complete shut down continuing?
Quote: standbymymanAnd the great part is a family of five could get by with just one vaccination. Just use the voucher 1 at a time.
Hey, it's a dollar. you get what you pay for.. You want a more extensive system you pay more. Anyway only one person can use it at a time.
Quote: DRichOf course I am not sure, but I am a gambler and figure the likelyhood of getting it and dieing are less than 10% so I would find that acceptable.
I understand that some people are totally comfortable with their transitioning from this existence at some future time. And, I understand gamblers estimate the likelihood of adverse events occurring. No problem.
But, you might want to monitor the island's C-virus status. There are other data sites, but I use the WHO site. It says the 88 positive C-virus cases reported so far resulted in 11 deaths. That's a 12.5 percent chance of dying if you get the virus, assuming the data represents the true disease prevalence. You said you're a gambler, but it looks chancy to me.
I can hardly wait for your trip report. Whatever happens, I expect you will have an adventure.
it's police officers. Here's one
of them in an interview yesterday:
"Everything has been basically shut down, so we were let go saying they’re not sure when they’re gonna be able to bring this back, because they’re thinking it could be years before, you know, the Strip opens up again. It provides close to 70% of the revenue for the entire state."
He said March is the busiest convention
month in Vegas and it's accounts for
most of the profit Vegas casinos and
hotels make for the year. All that was
flushed down the toilet, the city was
totally booked for the month. Like I
said 2 weeks ago, Vegas is finished.
It will be a shadow of what it was
by next year.
Quote: billryanSouth Dakota decided they didn't need a stay at home order. Now they have one of the largest clusters yet found, and our pork supply is threatened. Quite the coincidence.
I wonder what the COV-19 infection count will be in another two weeks. All those workers were close to all their families and all their neighbors, relatives, and friends. An exponential growth in case count, anyone?
I think South Dakota may serve as the perfect example of what happens when you do it wrong and open up (or never shut down) the state before you have control of the virus infection.
Quote: TDVegasI’m pretty much in agreement. How many lives lost do we tolerate vs. a complete shut down continuing?
I think everyone is pretty much in agreement on this. The disagreement is what the number is. I believe soopoo has said he is okay with two hundred deaths a day. Dr Fauci has said sixty, if I recall correctly. Someone else said 90, and another said thirty.
Arizona has been in lockdown since March 31st. Deaths have increased from 20 to 131
, and will double by weeks end. In fact, they went from 89 on Friday to 131 today. Most models show us a week or two from the peak. I suspect we ( the state) will reopen in early May and I pray it isn't a tragic accident. Southern Arizona is doing pretty well, but Phoenix and the Navajo Nation are dealing with major outbreaks. The Navajos just requested 500 body bags from FEMA.
I doubt I am opening up before June 1st,although I just got word today one of my major consigners is going to be opening up May 1st and I'll be sending a couple grand worth of merchandise for him to auction off.
As an aside- I deal with two auction houses in Texas. One is in Dallas, the other is in Arlington. Both are internet only auction houses, yet one was deemed an essential business and the other was not.
Quote: EvenBobVegas has fired or laid off 150 of
it's police officers. Here's one
of them in an interview yesterday:
Not accurate at all. No police officers have been laid off or fired. There have been some behind the scenes layoffs....mostly part time workers. Lab people, crime scene photographers, etc. They also disbanded the horse unit and gave away the horses. The officers were re assigned.
This is not unusual as there has likely been a decrease in crime, fatal car accidents, crowd control, etc.
Budget cuts are likely but they have not been firing or laying off “police officers.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/las-vegas-police-announce-layoffs-in-wake-of-coronavirus-struggles-2004337/amp/
Quote: EvenBob
"Everything has been basically shut down, so we were let go saying they’re not sure when they’re gonna be able to bring this back, because they’re thinking it could be years before, you know, the Strip opens up again. It provides close to 70% of the revenue for the entire state."
If the Strip provides 70% of revenue for the entire state, there is zero chance of it taking "years" to open back up. ZERO. I will be extremely surprised if the Strip is not mostly open by the end of June at the absolute latest. 100% chance it's back to full capacity by the end of the year.
Just remember, probably 69.9 % of Nevada’s revenue comes from people visiting from other states/countries.Quote: TigerWuIf the Strip provides 70% of revenue for the entire state, there is zero chance of it taking "years" to open back up. ZERO. I will be extremely surprised if the Strip is not mostly open by the end of June at the absolute latest. 100% chance it's back to full capacity by the end of the year.
A Moment of Silence might be appropriate.
Quote: billryanWe just broke the 25,000 deaths mark.
A Moment of Silence might be appropriate.
Why?
Wasn't is supposed to me many times that?
That is barely 8 people per county.
Quote: billryanWe just broke the 25,000 deaths mark.
A Moment of Silence might be appropriate.
Sure. Also a moment of silence for the 42,000 we have lost to lung cancer since January 1, 2020.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhy?
Wasn't is supposed to me many times that?
That is barely 8 people per county.
Yeah less than 3,000 died on 9/11
That's barely 1 per county.
Why do we honor such a puny amount of dead?
SMH
Quote: darkozYeah less than 3,000 died on 9/11
That's barely 1 per county.
Why do we honor such a puny amount of dead?
SMH
7/11 was a part-time job
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
Quote: billryanFlorida just announced the WWE is an essential business and can operate inside the state.
As a Floridian, I cannot tell you how proud this decision makes me feel.
(If I did tell how I truly feel, I would embarrass myself with my language, and the mods would put me on bread and water for the next month or two. The decision makes NO $EN$E whatsoever.)
Quote: AZDuffmanWhy?
Wasn't is supposed to me many times that?
That is barely 8 people per county.
It ain't over.
Quote: TDVegasSure. Also a moment of silence for the 42,000 we have lost to lung cancer since January 1, 2020.
The cool thing is, you don't have to shut down the economy to go after that one. Of course, if we did, I guess many people would vote for more smoking so people could go back to work.
Quote: rxwineIt ain't over.
Mission Accomplished?
More widely than China?Quote: billryanIf you lived in St Martin, how would you feel about planeloads of people from the most widely hit country coming to visit?
Quote: SanchoPanzaMore widely than China?
Yep
US has more cases and dead than China or any country in the world.
You deny that (I am sure you will)
Source?Quote: darkozYep
US has more cases and dead than China or any country in the world.
You deny that (I am sure you will)
Quote: SanchoPanzaSource?
Quote: darkoz
Google is not a source, it's a path
to the source. It's like saying 'library'
was your source. Libraries store
sources, they aren't a source themselves.
Quote: rxwineThe cool thing is, you don't have to shut down the economy to go after that one. Of course, if we did, I guess many people would vote for more smoking so people could go back to work.
The reality is if you say we will accept 100 deaths per day from the virus...there are a LOT of people who will scream bloody murder, shut it all down.
Well, we accept 400 deaths per day and still allow people to ingest something we know is killing them. We not only allow them to ingest it by advocating it for sale, we also allow them to spew those carcinogens into those who happen to be sitting next to them in our almighty casinos.
I’ll accept whatever the experts feel is the best path. I just can’t accept the moral and ethical $%#ing hypocrisy of the entire ball of wax.
I don’t have the answers but I do know how to think and conduct in a consistent manner.
It will be interesting to see what impact Joe Camel imparts on the decision making upon the grand re-opening of our gambling palaces. Is it money first or health first?
Quote: darkoz
Why don't you just shoot an email to the Chinese Communist Party, I'm sure they will give you the straight scoop.
Quote: TDVegas
Well, we accept 400 deaths per day and still allow people to ingest something we know is killing them.
No we don't. But the number of people who actually would support getting rid of tobacco usage for that reason is not powerful enough to overturn the views of the majority. Some actively support usage, and some just take a libertarian view even if they don't personally think it's a good thing. There's just not enough people in the full anti crowd.
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