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Quote: TigerWuWith all the quarantining going on, there's probably a much higher demand for cam girls. Prostitutes should be moving into that if they're smart.
That's the spirit. Always look for that silver lining !
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: CalderAnd yet our screwed up system produces more ICU beds per capita than more enlightened economies, a factor that may prove critical in the current environment:
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Wow. Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that socialized medicine had such a downward pressure on ICU beds. And in this crisis, likely caused additional untold deaths in Italy. I'm glad we are starting at double the ICU beds that those countries did. Even our high number will of course be inadequate, but at least we are starting well ahead of the others.
South Korea has won so far. IMO.
Quote:The South Korean healthcare system is run by the Ministry of Health and Welfare and is free to all citizens at the point of delivery. The system is funded by a compulsory National Health Insurance Scheme that covers 97% of the population.
Quote: billryan
Really. Why should Americans care about what the French or Chinese do. Its not as if anything that happens there might effect us or our economy.
Sarcasm inferred (correctly I hope) and agreed with (we really need to start using emojis in these threads to add some nuance)
Quote: billryan...Really. Why should Americans care about what the French or Chinese do...
That was my ultimate thought about Boymimbo's post.
If one were interested in how governmental policies affected the current situation, I thought his concern would better be directed toward the People's Republic.
Quote: Aljazeera.com
The Canadian death toll from the coronavirus outbreak jumped almost 50 percent in less than a day, and the mayor of New York City - the US epicentre of the contagion - called the situation the greatest crisis since the Great Depression and warned hospitals would likely be overwhelmed in 10 days....
Sunday, March 22
21:15 GMT - More than 100 COVID-19 deaths in the US in 24 hours
Coronavirus claimed more than 100 lives in the past 24 hours in the United States, bringing the total to 389 deaths, according to an authoritative tally from Johns Hopkins University.
The states of New York (114 deaths), Washington (94 deaths) and California (28 deaths) have been the hardest hit by far. The virus has infected at least 30,000 people nationwide.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/italy-tightens-lockdown-coronavirus-deaths-mount-live-updates-200321233509033.html
.Quote: CalderThat was my ultimate thought about Boymimbo's post.
If one were interested in how governmental policies affected the current situation, I thought his concern would better be directed toward the People's Republic.
I don’t put any stock in what the government of China says. I am very interested in what South Korea and Taiwan have done and what other countries have not. On the other hand, both the US and Canada are large countries where people get around mostly by air, which becomes a huge transmission vector.
Meanwhile, it is quite surreal. Freeways are very lightly travelled. All of the restaurants are now going to drive through or curb side or simply closing. I picked up wings on Friday and the restaurant had plexiglass at the window. My social life which revolves around church, family, and friends has completely shut down. I am happy that I have plenty of work to do, that I have my set of WKRP DVDs to watch, and lots of streaming on Netflix and Crave to see.
I don't see why not. The virus might be a good killer, but it can't make the perfect murder and not be caught. Maybe they don't want to do an autopsy just to get rid of the body in a bunch of deaths like Italy. For the most part, I don't think people are going to be dying at home, because breathing will get pretty tough days before they wind up dying in the hospital, so they're going to want to ask for help. From what I remember, they're not even trying to help anyone over 60 in Italy anymore, so maybe some people have something else going on and they just die with treatable problems.Quote: TigerWuI don't know if this is a stupid question or not... I realize the actual number of infected people is way higher than we realize because many people don't show symptoms, or very mild symptoms, but is the number of dead people from covid pretty accurate? I mean, when someone dies, even if, say, in their own home, are medical personnel able to say, "Yep, this was definitely from covid."
Quote: TigerWuI don't know if this is a stupid question or not... I realize the actual number of infected people is way higher than we realize because many people don't show symptoms, or very mild symptoms, but is the number of dead people from covid pretty accurate? I mean, when someone dies, even if, say, in their own home, are medical personnel able to say, "Yep, this was definitely from covid."
It's not a stupid question at all, at least concerning China. There's a big discrepancy being reported by the people there, between what the government reported, and what people witnessed. There are strong indications that China is still doing deceptive reporting, but no way to verify.
Also, there are likely a lot of people in many countries who died for whatever reason, that were infected but not tested specifically for COVID-19. Including but not limited to hundreds of thousands of deaths written off to the flu, as there are every flu season and it's almost impossible that they tested every body, especially early on, for COVID-19.
But yes, a death attributed to COVID-19 has to be verified, not just suspected, in order to be reported.
Quote: billryanHow many additional people have died from heart attacks, gunshot wounds and other things simply because the system is overwhelmed?
This coronavirus is going to be fodder for medical literature and PhD dissertations for decades.
CHINA BAD!Quote: beachbumbabsIt's not a stupid question at all, at least concerning China. There's a big discrepancy being reported by the people there, between what the government reported, and what people witnessed. There are strong indications that China is still doing deceptive reporting, but no way to verify.
Also, there are likely a lot of people in many countries who died for whatever reason, that were infected but not tested specifically for COVID-19. Including but not limited to hundreds of thousands of deaths written off to the flu, as there are every flu season and it's almost impossible that they tested every body, especially early on, for COVID-19.
But yes, a death attributed to COVID-19 has to be verified, not just suspected, in order to be reported.
I am assuming they did something that made investors comfortable that they’ll weather the storm better than others?
Quote: gamerfreakDoes anyone know why Wynn stock went up almost 11% today?
I am assuming they did something that made investors comfortable that they’ll weather the storm better than others?
I don't know but Wynn's biggest market is Macau and if China is supposedly getting back to normal maybe that has something to do with it...?
Quote: billryanHow many additional people have died from heart attacks, gunshot wounds and other things simply because the system is overwhelmed?
There have been enough respirators for now, perhaps they caught the corona too or after being in the hospital and it took them out. They always talk about having a weakened immune system when going through traumatic injuries and illnesses, tough to say. In those cases, it's usually things your body otherwise could have fought, which puts people in danger. Corona can kill seemingly healthy, I'm sure the infection tips the scales. This isn't what you asked about, but there are people being statistics who probably would have been fine. There definitely will be more tragedy scenarios if the cases blow up. The home is the most dangerous place, damn I always have trouble believing that, it's not true in the truth and the whole truth way. Some people who couldn't find or never found safe places, they're in trouble now. Nobody might even know they're dead for a long time, but I digress. Sigh.
Quote: gamerfreakDoes anyone know why Wynn stock went up almost 11% today?
I am assuming they did something that made investors comfortable that they’ll weather the storm better than others?
There have been a lot of stocks going up. I'd just say it's value buying imo. The casinos stocks were hit hard, some people think too hard.
indoors. Impossible order. India is
one big open market where people
get their meat and fish and produce
daily because they have no fridges
or storage capacity.
Quote: rxwineQuote: SOOPOOQuote: CalderAnd yet our screwed up system produces more ICU beds per capita than more enlightened economies, a factor that may prove critical in the current environment:
Scroll to table 1
Wow. Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that socialized medicine had such a downward pressure on ICU beds. And in this crisis, likely caused additional untold deaths in Italy. I'm glad we are starting at double the ICU beds that those countries did. Even our high number will of course be inadequate, but at least we are starting well ahead of the others.
South Korea has won so far. IMO.
NYC has tested more people for coronavirus per capita than South Korea. But it doesn't fit the narrative that the media is trying to portray.
The narrative... South Korea good.... Trump response no good..... We need medicine like South Korea.....
One country can realistically say the worse may over, can the other?
Every time I hear our President talk about how he closed the borders, I'm reminded of Al Bundy and his five touchdowns.
Quote: billryanSouth Korea is being praised because they seem to have managed the epidemic. Our national leaders aren't being praised because they have not. South Korea has a population approx. one fifth of the United States, so crowing about the USofA having tested more isn't exactly a shining example.
One country can realistically say the worse may over, can the other?
Every time I hear our President talk about how he closed the borders, I'm reminded of Al Bundy and his five touchdowns.
Asian countries are used to it. They dealt with SARS, etc. Nothing has ever gotten out of hand here, our people weren't ready to believe it. Some still don't.
Indonesia apparently wasn't or was too stressed to do anything. They'll probably be one of the worst outcomes out there.
Judging by the amount of senior citizens I see out and about already, I'd say they're already working on that...
Quote: MintyOn a somewhat related note, did ya know that some of the bacterial found in the Arctic ice continues to be active when thawed out? Something to think about.
I heard a scientist say a virus isn't
really alive as we understand life.
It acts alive but isn't. It's a mechanism
that responds to life, it can lie dormant
for decades sometimes.
Quote: EvenBobI heard a scientist say a virus isn't
really alive as we understand life.
It acts alive but isn't. It's a mechanism
that responds to life, it can lie dormant
for decades sometimes.
That’s a virus. Bacteria different.
Quote: TigerWuSome people are saying that senior citizens should be willing to risk dying to save the economy.
Judging by the amount of senior citizens I see out and about already, I'd say they're already working on that...
Where were they when our soldiers were dying from IEDs? A couple dozen walking in front of our vehicles could have saved many lives.
It's a no-win situation, shut everything down early and people bitch about that.Quote: billryanSouth Korea is being praised because they seem to have managed the epidemic. Our national leaders aren't being praised because they have not. South Korea has a population approx. one fifth of the United States, so crowing about the USofA having tested more isn't exactly a shining example.
One country can realistically say the worse may over, can the other?
Every time I hear our President talk about how he closed the borders, I'm reminded of Al Bundy and his five touchdowns.
Probably because here they didn't take it seriously.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/new-jersey-man-25-in-coma-after-misplaced-positive-coronavirus-test/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/kentucky-coronavirus-party-infection/index.html
Quote: darkozIn the US it's hitting young people harder
Still not know exactly why some get very sick. Can make all kinds of guesses. This is what supercomputers are good at. If they can eventually run massive amounts of data, they can make connections we didn't see.
Yeah, some are already compromised in some obvious way, but not all.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's a no-win situation, shut everything down early and people bitch about that.
Here is the thing. Go look at any travel website and you will see there were hundreds of flights from China to the US since his "ban".
Two businessmen went to the airport a week after the ban. The non-American person wasn't allowed to board, but the American was. Both had the same chance of being positive. My sister and her daughter were in China for the Lunar New Year, and were in the province that Wuhan is in, but were a few hours away from the city. When they got back to JFK, they were asked if they had experienced any fever or coughing and were told that if they got sick in the next week or so to tell the Dr they had been in China. A few days or weeks later, they started checking travelers more extensively.
The virus can live for as long as 17 days on surfaces, as shown by testing on cruise ships. How many thousand cargo containers enter the US each day on ships from China?
Even today, there are flights between the two countries.
Glen Beck is now saying Senior Citizens should be willing to die to boost start the economy. That's entertainment, not politics
Quote: billryan
Glen Beck is now saying Senior Citizens should be willing to die to boost start the economy.
Glenn Beck has an estimated net worth of $250 million. If only there was something he could do with all that money to help boost the economy...
Quote: rxwineStill not know exactly why some get very sick. Can make all kinds of guesses. This is what supercomputers are good at. If they can eventually run massive amounts of data, they can make connections we didn't see.
Yeah, some are already compromised in some obvious way, but not all.
What makes you susceptible to heart failure and me not?
What makes you get prostate cancer and me not?
There are some real easy connect the dots.... smoking--- lung cancer
alcohol abuse----- cirrhosis
A few things have been identified age, pre-existing lung disease, any immunosuppression, etc...
I think Google, Walmart, Amazon, Apple and various other companies should be doing something more. I haven't actually been keeping up with what they're doing, but trust me, it's not enough.Quote: TigerWuGlenn Beck has an estimated net worth of $250 million. If only there was something he could do with all that money to help boost the economy...
Quote: TigerWuSome people are saying that senior citizens should be willing to risk dying to save the economy.
Judging by the amount of senior citizens I see out and about already, I'd say they're already working on that...
Why are you out and about yet saying they should not be?
Reading our local paper a couple days ago, an article claimed that Mohave county [here] is one of the 4 most dangerous county's in the country because one out of 3 people are over 60. That doesn't sound right, but I read it in the paper so it must be true?
Quote: petroglyphMohave county Az. announced it's first confirmed case today. It was felt that it was here already but there weren't any test kits, so people have been running around freely. Also, Havasu is a big destination for spring breakers.
Reading our local paper a couple days ago, an article claimed that Mohave county [here] is one of the 4 most dangerous county's in the country because one out of 3 people are over 60. That doesn't sound right, but I read it in the paper so it must be true?
The Arizona Republic, the states largest newspaper is claiming Arizona is not reporting things properly. Here in Chochise County, they closed the bars and such last week after there were several positives. One of the people who posted they were positive went to the local hospital and died. Yet, Arizona today lists zero cases in the county. At least four people have posted they tested positive on facebook so someones not being honest.
MY rule of thumb is everyone might be positive, including me, and keep a proper distance .
Another idea is to carry a baseball bat. If you swing it and hit someone, they were violating your space.
This is my source, https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/03/25/arizona-coronavirus-wednesday-march-25-update-cases-top-400-6-known-deaths/2913704001/.Quote: billryanQuote: petroglyphMohave county Az. announced it's first confirmed case today. It was felt that it was here already but there weren't any test kits, so people have been running around freely. Also, Havasu is a big destination for spring breakers.
Reading our local paper a couple days ago, an article claimed that Mohave county [here] is one of the 4 most dangerous county's in the country because one out of 3 people are over 60. That doesn't sound right, but I read it in the paper so it must be true?
The Arizona Republic, the states largest newspaper is claiming Arizona is not reporting things properly. Here in Chochise County, they closed the bars and such last week after there were several positives. One of the people who posted they were positive went to the local hospital and died. Yet, Arizona today lists zero cases in the county. At least four people have posted they tested positive on facebook so someones not being honest.
MY rule of thumb is everyone might be positive, including me, and keep a proper distance .
Another idea is to carry a baseball bat. If you swing it and hit someone, they were violating your space.
They weren't letting people know. Just NE of here in Kingman, a couple has had it for a couple weeks, and they were asked by the health dept. not to let people know. They finally got remorse and posted it on their facebook.
This county lives and breathes on tourism and old folks, I guess the health dept. was trying to protect tourism during spring break as it lasts a month here with groups coming from all around? I've never really had huge confidence in authority's, but this time imo, their keeping info to themselves is going to kill a lot of us. This little town here with a private hospital will be swamped shortly. A third in the county are over 60 and immune compromised one way or another.
Is that why they don't inform the residents of the total count, to keep tourism up? They are going to wipe out some year round tax payers in the process.
Quote: MintyOn a somewhat related note, did ya know that some of the bacterial found in the Arctic ice continues to be active when thawed out? Something to think about.
I think bacteria which can survive in salty, frigid waters, might be too specialized to live outside this niche. You can have bacteria living in hot spas, but they're only able to survive there. It's not because they're powerful, it's because they're weak and have found a niche only they can survive in.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhy are you out and about yet saying they should not be?
Because I had to be at work up until yesterday and they were our customers.
Quote: SOOPOOWhat makes you susceptible to heart failure and me not?
What makes you get prostate cancer and me not?
There are some real easy connect the dots.... smoking--- lung cancer
alcohol abuse----- cirrhosis
A few things have been identified age, pre-existing lung disease, any immunosuppression, etc...
I think they're going to find, though maybe not in our lifetimes, that it's genetics which determine how sick you get, and whether you survive exposure.
This virus invades the cells with keys that zero in on and unlock respiratory cells, changing their DNA with MRNA strings. They replace pieces or strings of chromosomes with their own sequences that disrupt the cell, cannibalizing it while replicating itself.
The interruption of the invasion comes on the cellular antibody level. So your body's defenses have to be cued to kick in at an early enough and vigorous enough rate to overwhelm it before it destroys too many pulmonary cells. Those rates, both time and quantity, are going to vary widely, and a lot of that is going to be genetically programmed, then influenced by environmental and health history factors, by individuals and by family.
My theory, but based on a fair amount of hard science.
Quote: onenickelmiraclegroup culture, not individualist culture
It's The Party. These are the same monsters who murdered over 60 million people in a twenty year period to consolidate their rule. I think the world's record. Mao was Stalin's agent. We never should have "opened them up", never should have had any relations with them. Their people don't need trade, they need freedom. The need their own 2nd Amendment.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think they're going to find, though maybe not in our lifetimes, that it's genetics which determine how sick you get...
Isn't that true of any illness?
Quote:Vietnamese airline Vietjet has launched an insurance policy named "SKY COVID CARE" that allows passengers to claim up to 200 million Vietnamese dong if they are infected with the virus while traveling on one of its flights.
The aim of the policy, which is free of charge and covers all domestic flights between March 23 and June 30, 2020, is to help "bring passengers assurance," according to the airline.
In an official statement, Vietjet says it's prepared to pay out "tens of billion dong" to ensure that its customers feel at ease while traveling during the ongoing crisis.
Quote: CalderIsn't that true of any illness?
More or less, yes. But I'm talking about the cure for this and other viruses, maybe even cancer and the common cold, will lie within genetic engineering that targets the unlocking arms on the viruses, either with a barrier around the cell wall, or changing the genetic coding to make the cells unreceptive to the hostile virus. If it can't replicate, it can't kill you.
We can't do any of that yet. So we treat the symptoms, and we try to kill the organism without killing the host, and hope the body can muster enough defenses to overcome the invasion.
But we're tantalizingly close. And it's huge, just huge, that children might have some kind of thing happening in their bodies that does something, that the body no longer does after maturation. That might lead to a breakthrough on all of this.
