The Surreal Feeling About
Quote: ams288I’d guess more on all except murders.
Additional suicides probably way more...
Traffic accidents will be way down.
Quote: darkozWatch this video. We don't want what happened in china to happen here
https://youtu.be/ycrqXJYf1SU
so disturbing
All that is to say, there is no way in hell they released accurate numbers of deaths. Idk now, but at the height of it in Jan/Feb, they were just dumping to get infectious bodies out of circulation.
Not to mention
A. All the deaths that were not CONFIRMED Corona virus during the last several months, and
B. All the still-quarantined population who were sealed into their buildings. No chance there aren't many many dead bodies among those people.
I agree it would be an unthinkable act for the Chinese officials to be truthful. I do not mean to be sarcastic, I mean that at no level of society much less amongst Chinese officials is there a desire or habit of telling the truth about anything. It is alien to their culture. it always has been and always will be.Quote: beachbumbabs, , . there is no way in hell they released accurate numbers of deaths.
group culture, not individualist cultureQuote: FleaStiffI agree it would be an unthinkable act for the Chinese officials to be truthful. I do not mean to be sarcastic, I mean that at no level of society much less amongst Chinese officials is there a desire or habit of telling the truth about anything. It is alien to their culture. it always has been and always will be.
Quote: TDVegasFrankly, I trust nothing coming from state run Chinese media. This is a communist dictatorship that has a secrecy agenda greater than 1970’s Soviet Union. Who knows when they actually knew they had a problem on their hands.
Although I agree with the general mistrust, it doesn't actually tell us what is the true scenario, since I think there is more than one possible explanation that might be reasonable to consider.
Countries try to cover up accidents, not just intentional plots of any sort. And people within the countries, may even hide things from the authorities to avoid punishment. Especially in a country that sometimes executes the head of departments occasionally.
Look at the Chinese Dry Wall that was so cheap? Look at that brand new skyscraper in Australia that had a catastrophic failure? Look at all the Chinese who come here for fresh air and uncontaminated foods because they know what it is like in China, always been and always will be.
"With aces from the sleeve of the heathen Chinee"
Quote: FleaStiffTrue Scenario?
Look at the Chinese Dry Wall that was so cheap? Look at that brand new skyscraper in Australia that had a catastrophic failure? Look at all the Chinese who come here for fresh air and uncontaminated foods because they know what it is like in China, always been and always will be.
"With aces from the sleeve of the heathen Chinee"
Despite her recent wealth, China is still very Third World in many ways. Half the people are still in poverty. Get off the coast and it gets very poor. They are still quantity over quality. Many problems to overcome and they are a demographic time bomb who's fuse has been lit.
Divorce rates will be higher too as couples are forced to deal with each other at home and financial stress goes up. On the other hand being and loving together might become an economic necessity which might up cohabitations.
There are quotes that CO2 emissions and pollution is greatly reduced which are saving lives through reduced complications from asthma, for example.
Here in southern Ontario, we are on the cusp on what California has just ordered, a stay-in-place order. Yet the government here has put in income replacement programs if you are stuck at home declaring self-quarantine, are caring for someone with COVID, or are staying home because kids have been orders to stay out of school. They are upping the child care bonus checks and VAT checks for everyone who needs it. Legislation is in place so that people don’t lose their job.
We realize how strained our health care system is and understand that flattening the curve will prevent us from getting to a situation where a doctor has to choose who to save. When you I get to that point, everyone who is sick becomes prone to much higher mortality rates.
My hope is that this pandemic creates the appropriate federal and state social programs in the United States with the realization that being sick is everyone’s problem with the burden falling on society as a while to take care of them. That means socialized medicine and more general welfare programs to take care of those who need it. In the next few weeks, with so many thrown out of work and not having health insurance, it has pretty much got to change the ways things are done down there.
As for me, I work from home. My job is not in danger of immediate jeopardy. All of my social activities (church, friends, etc) has shut down. I can’t see my mom in the nursing home, and I am limiting contact to my dad to one last visit today and then phone calls. Most Canadians are trying to do their part with social distancing because we realize that we are all in this together and don’t want Italy to happen to us.
As for how long this will last, South Korea is going to be your best case scenario with truthful information and technological strategies on place. I am guessing 8 weeks before things start to ease off on restrictions at minimum, and if things get out of hand (as I suspect they will on the Stares due to a lack of coordination) 4-6 months. In Canada here, I am guessing 3 months before life starts to get back to normal.
I have to imagine domestic violence will absolutely Skyrocket. 😥Quote: boymimbo
Divorce rates will be higher too as couples are forced to deal with each other at home and financial stress goes up.
Where can I get me some body armor?🤣
Quote: boymimbo
...My hope is that this pandemic creates the appropriate federal and state social programs in the United States with the realization that being sick is everyone’s problem with the burden falling on society as a while to take care of them. That means socialized medicine and more general welfare programs to take care of those who need it. In the next few weeks, with so many thrown out of work and not having health insurance, it has pretty much got to change the ways things are done down there...
A genuine question:
Why the heck does a Canadian care about U.S. domestic policy?
At least that's my theory.
Quote: CalderA genuine question:
Why the heck does a Canadian care about U.S. domestic policy?
I’ve been asking that on here for years. Along with those of any other nation. Americans rarely have much input into local politics of other nations. Why so much interest in ours?
Other countries need is like we need them, all in varying degrees.Quote: AZDuffmanI’ve been asking that on here for years. Along with those of any other nation. Americans rarely have much input into local politics of other nations. Why so much interest in ours?
Quote:'Comet ATLAS continues to brighten much faster than expected,' Karl Battams of the Naval Research Lab in Washington DC told SpaceWeatherArchive.
'Some predictions for its peak brightness now border on the absurd.'
It's original name was C/2019 Y4 when it was first discovered but has been nicknamed ATLAS due to the system that spotted it.
It has seen a 4,000-fold increase in brightness since it was first discovered and could be visible to the naked eye as early as April.
Possibly bright as the moon.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/newly-discovered-comet-atlas-could-shine-as-bright-as-the-moon-when-it-makes-its-closest-approach-to-earth-in-may-as-long-as-doesnt-break-up-on-its-way-towards-the-sun/ar-BB11tsI3?ocid=spartandhp
in NC. He has all his groceries
delivered to his door for a $4
fee and the guy leaves them
and my friend brings them
in when the guy is gone. No
human contact.
I would gladly do that, if I can find that service here. So far locally they are offering "seniors only" hours. But I'm not going to be at the store at 5 AM, or at all.Quote: EvenBobSpoke with my 85 year old friend
in NC. He has all his groceries
delivered to his door for a $4
fee and the guy leaves them
and my friend brings them
in when the guy is gone. No
human contact.
Quote: petroglyphhttps://www.reviewjournal.com/business/las-vegas-strip-club-to-offer-drive-through-peep-show-1985402/
Those guys should just blow their brains out.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThose guys should just blow their brains out.
I've been wondering what prostitutes are doing to circumvent the difficulties that this shutdown has caused. Due to the nature of their work I doubt they would 'self quarantine....'
Many are probably still working just as much. Just checked out an escort site, they're still working, 16 available now in the state of Ohio.Quote: SOOPOOI've been wondering what prostitutes are doing to circumvent the difficulties that this shutdown has caused. Due to the nature of their work I doubt they would 'self quarantine....'
Quote: petroglyphhttps://www.reviewjournal.com/business/las-vegas-strip-club-to-offer-drive-through-peep-show-1985402/
Thanks for posting this. I would have missed it.
Quote: EvenBobSpoke with my 85 year old friend
in NC. He has all his groceries
delivered to his door for a $4
fee and the guy leaves them
and my friend brings them
in when the guy is gone. No
human contact.
Good way to not tip.
This part might not be bad? "“On Saturday we’re doing nude triple-X hand sanitizer wrestling,” Carlson said. “We have about 20 gallons of hand sanitizer, and we’re doing a cool nude hand sanitizer wrestling show.”Quote: onenickelmiracleThose guys should just blow their brains out.
Plus they were giving away free hand sanitizer.
Yeah, sucks I turned in the lease on my gf.Quote: SOOPOOI've been wondering what prostitutes are doing to circumvent the difficulties that this shutdown has caused. Due to the nature of their work I doubt they would 'self quarantine....'
Quote: AZDuffmanI’ve been asking that on here for years. Along with those of any other nation. Americans rarely have much input into local politics of other nations. Why so much interest in ours?
Actually, socializing medicine in the United States is a big deal.
Americans buy our pharmacy items for cheaper, lowering supplies and upping pricing here. Health care workers here in Canada frequently go to the states to work, creating doctor and nursing shortages here. Differences in health care benefits, in part, determine where multinationals locate factories and headquarters.
On a higher level, we are your biggest trading partner. We share the world’s longest border with you. We are heavily influenced by your government’s decisions on trade, defence, and everything else. About 75 percent of the population lives within 100 miles of our border.
And finally, my wife is American. I’ve lived in the US for five years. My employer is American.
And it is incredible to see how such a great country in so many ways managed to screw up health care so badly.
Quote: boymimboActually, socializing medicine in the United States is a big deal.
Americans buy our pharmacy items for cheaper, lowering supplies and upping pricing here. Health care workers here in Canada frequently go to the states to work, creating doctor and nursing shortages here. Differences in health care benefits, in part, determine where multinationals locate factories and headquarters.
On a higher level, we are your biggest trading partner. We share the world’s longest border with you. We are heavily influenced by your government’s decisions on trade, defence, and everything else. About 75 percent of the population lives within 100 miles of our border.
And finally, my wife is American. I’ve lived in the US for five years. My employer is American.
And it is incredible to see how such a great country in so many ways managed to screw up health care so badly.
You are treading very close to a political statement there.
Do you work here? Where is the toilet paper?Quote: AZDuffmanYou are treading very close to a political statement there.
Please check that video out. It's hilarious
Quote: AZDuffmanYou are treading very close to a political statement there.
Politics is defined as "the set of activities that are associated with the governance of a country, state or area. It involves making decisions that apply to groups of members." How the hell can anyone have a meaningful discussion about a public health threat without bringing up political issues? Keeping it civil and rational I'm all for but if the effectiveness and impact of the decisions that have been, or will be, made by elected officials is deemed off-limits then the benefit of sharing information via this forum is significantly reduced IMO.
Quote: darkozhttps://youtu.be/ugtN6HCqatc
Please check that video out. It's hilarious
I lasted 34 seconds till the guy
started rapping. I don't do rap,
it hurts my brain.
Quote: TumblingBonesPolitics is defined as "the set of activities that are associated with the governance of a country, state or area. It involves making decisions that apply to groups of members." How the hell can anyone have a meaningful discussion about a public health threat without bringing up political issues? Keeping it civil and rational I'm all for but if the effectiveness and impact of the decisions that have been, or will be, made by elected officials is deemed off-limits then the benefit of sharing information via this forum is significantly reduced IMO.
Quote: boymimboAnd it is incredible to see how such a great country in so many ways managed to screw up health care so badly.
This is not part of a discussion about a public health threat. It appears to be another "why can't you Yanks do like the rest of us on health care" statements.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: boymimboAnd it is incredible to see how such a great country in so many ways managed to screw up health care so badly.
This is not part of a discussion about a public health threat. It appears to be another "why can't you Yanks do like the rest of us on health care" statements.
Agreed. It's the type of loaded language that is making rational political debates more and more impossible. But the bulk of boymimbo's post is a valid political statement worth considering
Quote: boymimboActually, socializing medicine in the United States is a big deal.
Americans buy our pharmacy items for cheaper, lowering supplies and upping pricing here. Health care workers here in Canada frequently go to the states to work, creating doctor and nursing shortages here. Differences in health care benefits, in part, determine where multinationals locate factories and headquarters.
On a higher level, we are your biggest trading partner. We share the world’s longest border with you. We are heavily influenced by your government’s decisions on trade, defence, and everything else. About 75 percent of the population lives within 100 miles of our border.
The original question was (slightly paraphrased) why should one country be concerned about the health policies of another. Seems like a very good response IMO.
Quote: boymimboActually, socializing medicine in the United States is a big deal...
And it is incredible to see how such a great country in so many ways managed to screw up health care so badly.
And yet our screwed up system produces more ICU beds per capita than more enlightened economies, a factor that may prove critical in the current environment:
Scroll to table 1
Quote: CalderAnd yet our screwed up system produces more ICU beds per capita than more enlightened economies, a factor that may prove critical in the current environment:
Scroll to table 1
Wow. Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that socialized medicine had such a downward pressure on ICU beds. And in this crisis, likely caused additional untold deaths in Italy. I'm glad we are starting at double the ICU beds that those countries did. Even our high number will of course be inadequate, but at least we are starting well ahead of the others.
Quote: TumblingBonesQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: boymimboAnd it is incredible to see how such a great country in so many ways managed to screw up health care so badly.
This is not part of a discussion about a public health threat. It appears to be another "why can't you Yanks do like the rest of us on health care" statements.
Agreed. It's the type of loaded language that is making rational political debates more and more impossible. But the bulk of boymimbo's post is a valid political statement worth considering
The original question was (slightly paraphrased) why should one country be concerned about the health policies of another. Seems like a very good response IMO.
Really. Why should Americans care about what the French or Chinese do. Its not as if anything that happens there might effect us or our economy.
You did bait him.Quote: AZDuffmanYou are treading very close to a political statement there.
Quote: unJonYou did bait him.
He is quite the Master baiter.
Quote: unJonYou did bait him.
How?
Quote: unJonYou did bait him.
How?
Quote: SOOPOOI've been wondering what prostitutes are doing to circumvent the difficulties that this shutdown has caused. Due to the nature of their work I doubt they would 'self quarantine....'
With all the quarantining going on, there's probably a much higher demand for cam girls. Prostitutes should be moving into that if they're smart.
Quote: TumblingBones
Agreed. It's the type of loaded language that is making rational political debates more and more impossible. But the bulk of boymimbo's post is a valid political statement worth considering
The original question was (slightly paraphrased) why should one country be concerned about the health policies of another. Seems like a very good response IMO.
The rest was good, but then it has to be ended as it did.
